Odell with Johnny Football during Start of OTAs

In comment 13480840 Kivorka said:

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In comment 13480734 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He really needs to get his head out of his ass. How could he not see how bad the optics would be on catching passes with Johnny Football instead of from his own QB? ++1

really. for a supposely bright guy, he does dumb things.

In comment 13480840 Kivorka said:

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In comment 13480734 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He really needs to get his head out of his ass. How could he not see how bad the optics would be on catching passes with Johnny Football instead of from his own QB? ++1

- A professional trains pro football players in the offseason - for a fee, no doubt.

- OBJ has trained with him before, as have several other prominent players

- Johnny Manziel, in an attempt to resurrect his career, chooses to train with this trainer - assumedly for the same fee

- so by your rational, OBJ should have decided to immediately stop training with said trainer, despite likely paying him a fee for his services, to avoid the bad optics of catching some balls from Manziel?

Do you see why some people think your reaction is absurd?

can't or refuse to realize that many players simply don't care about optics. Fans think they know what's best for a player which is astounding to me.

In comment 13480712 River said:

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In comment 13480702 nygiants16 said: Quote: yeah he turned out to be a real bum... I don't know what I'm talking about.

There fixed it.

In comment 13480903 UConn4523 said:

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can't or refuse to realize that many players simply don't care about optics. Fans think they know what's best for a player which is astounding to me.

Exactly! OBJ... and 95% of all other NFL players... could care less what anyone on this site thinks about him or what he does during the off-season (and probably in-season too for that matter). You'll still buy a ticket or watch him on tv... and the moment he gets a first down or scores a TD, you'll love him... again.

What do Odell Beckham and Donald Trump have in common?

Neither one paid for the wall!

This is not a big deal.

BUT... If you're going to say that you did not groan at the news that OBJ was not at OTAs so he could train with someone else, your lying. Especially having anything to do with JM.

Little things like this add up when contract time rolls around. Will the Giants want to sacrifice for a guy who does not toe the line? He is an all time weapon... I love him on the cheap.. Not so much at 20/year

Odell not happy with Eli with lack of throws!

I can not score without the Football said Beckham.
just throw the ball to me I will do the rest.
Meanwhile Marshall Odell's teammate leads the league in Receptions.

In comment 13481070 AnnapolisMike said:

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This is not a big deal. BUT... If you're going to say that you did not groan at the news that OBJ was not at OTAs so he could train with someone else, your lying. Especially having anything to do with JM. Little things like this add up when contract time rolls around. Will the Giants want to sacrifice for a guy who does not toe the line? He is an all time weapon... I love him on the cheap.. Not so much at 20/year

Read up on the trainer they're working with.

...but he isn't very smart in terms of handling that celebrity.

So he misses OTAs to get a crappy tattoo and catch passes from a quarterback that isn't on his team.

I know I'm not allowed to criticize him anymore, but is it ok if I roll my eyes next time he or one of his sycophants mentions his burning desire to be a great Giant? Is that much ok?

Why train with others and not your team, especially when you want to win so badly

This is a stupid illustration to make whatever point it is that you're trying to make. Skipping two days of OTA's to workout with a personal trainer (who has worked with some of the best in the business) means he doesn't have a desire to be great?

That would be my mindset, I would rather be with my team - trying to build something special especially after the disappointment in the playoffs.

I get he can do whatever he wants since it is only voluntary but that's just my 2 cents

If anyone wants to question how much of a team player he is, that's fine - you can. I just don't think anyone can question whether he puts in the work to be as good as he can be as a player. Because the guy works his tail off. You don't get to the level he has as a player if you don't.

his roster spot in jeopardy.

Seriously though, i would rather him be at OTAs than hang out with a suspect crowd...even if it is "football".

In comment 13481156 Jimmy Googs said:

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his roster spot in jeopardy. Seriously though, i would rather him be at OTAs than hang out with a suspect crowd...even if it is "football".

I didn't understand the comment yesterday, and I don't understand it now.

How is he putting his roster spot in jeopardy? He's got as much of a stranglehold on his roster spot as Eli does.

He's literally in less than zero danger of losing it.

I don't know if it means he doesn't have the desire to be great, but I do think it means he might not know how to go about things the right way, and he might not have learned much from the mistakes he's made to this point.

Is it the end of the world? Of course not. But I do think it tells us a bit about where his head is.

In comment 13480850 arcarsenal said:

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Which "diva" receivers had shorter careers because they were divas? I can't think of a whole lot. In fact, most guys.. Owens comes to mind.. had pretty damn good careers.

FredEx AKA, Freddie Mitchell (PHI)

In comment 13481162 NYDCBlue said:

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In comment 13480850 arcarsenal said: Quote: Which "diva" receivers had shorter careers because they were divas? I can't think of a whole lot. In fact, most guys.. Owens comes to mind.. had pretty damn good careers. FredEx AKA, Freddie Mitchell (PHI)

C'mon.. Freddie Mitchell and Odell Beckham aren't even in the same universe in terms of talent.

Is Eli Manning at OTAs? If he is, why isn't Beckham?

Few players on this team have played more games as a Giant, and he is the senior Giant in the wide receiver room. This off-season is a great opportunity for him to start leading by example.

But he wants to get a tattoo and work with a quarterback that will never play on this team. And he doesn't mind putting that kind of thing on Instagram.

If I'm his teammate that would rub me the wrong way, but I'm not on the team so what do I know.

Not in gb.

It's voluntary..get that..but he is hurting his image ...if that matters...and eventually will lead to..imho..things of trouble nature..js

But hey, it's millenials ways, so be it

In comment 13481157 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13481156 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: his roster spot in jeopardy. Seriously though, i would rather him be at OTAs than hang out with a suspect crowd...even if it is "football". I didn't understand the comment yesterday, and I don't understand it now. How is he putting his roster spot in jeopardy? He's got as much of a stranglehold on his roster spot as Eli does. He's literally in less than zero danger of losing it.

Sorry. Just your basic sarcasm...

While he still has value.

;-)

Eli and Odell are much different - Eli is more than 10 years Beckham's senior. My point is - Odell's roster spot isn't in any sort of jeopardy because he's not at OTA's. It's silly for anyone to insinuate otherwise. It's voluntary.

I don't know why the tattoo matters. He did it in his free time. He didn't ditch OTA's so he could get tattooed. These guys aren't at sleep-away camp. When practice is over, they're free to go on with their lives and do other things. He got a tattoo. Big deal.

We also need to clarify that Manziel is training with the same trainer that Beckham is. Beckham didn't partner up with Manziel to train with him specifically. Some of you guys are making it sound like Odell ditched OTA's to go to some busted up Manziel QB camp at the Neverland Ranch or something. C'mon.

In comment 13481174 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 13481157 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 13481156 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: his roster spot in jeopardy. Seriously though, i would rather him be at OTAs than hang out with a suspect crowd...even if it is "football". I didn't understand the comment yesterday, and I don't understand it now. How is he putting his roster spot in jeopardy? He's got as much of a stranglehold on his roster spot as Eli does. He's literally in less than zero danger of losing it. Sorry. Just your basic sarcasm...

I honestly can't even tell who is serious and who isn't when it comes to this stuff anymore.. that's how far in the red the hysteria meter is regarding this player lately.

In comment 13481177 DieHard said:

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While he still has value. ;-)

I always forget the little smiley guy on my posts...

In comment 13481169 Go Terps said:

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Is Eli Manning at OTAs? If he is, why isn't Beckham? Few players on this team have played more games as a Giant, and he is the senior Giant in the wide receiver room. This off-season is a great opportunity for him to start leading by example. But he wants to get a tattoo and work with a quarterback that will never play on this team. And he doesn't mind putting that kind of thing on Instagram. If I'm his teammate that would rub me the wrong way, but I'm not on the team so what do I know.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.. who else is missing from this voluntary OTA?

In comment 13481180 arcarsenal said:

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Sorry. Just your basic sarcasm... I honestly can't even tell who is serious and who isn't when it comes to this stuff anymore.. that's how far in the red the hysteria meter is regarding this player lately.

Again, sorry. I don't disagree that things are typically blown out of proportion on BBI...

but A), Eli would be the first to tell you that based on his play last year, he needs the extra work.


and B) Eli and Beckham live in different worlds. Eli Manning doesn't have two giant corporations fighting over who gets to pay him $25 million dollars just to use his face to sell shoes and t-shirts. Comparing the two just doesn't work on a lot of levels.

In comment 13481182 Vin R said:

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In comment 13481169 Go Terps said: Quote: Is Eli Manning at OTAs? If he is, why isn't Beckham? Few players on this team have played more games as a Giant, and he is the senior Giant in the wide receiver room. This off-season is a great opportunity for him to start leading by example. But he wants to get a tattoo and work with a quarterback that will never play on this team. And he doesn't mind putting that kind of thing on Instagram. If I'm his teammate that would rub me the wrong way, but I'm not on the team so what do I know. I agree wholeheartedly with this.. who else is missing from this voluntary OTA?

Who was missing from it last year?

I would think Eli's seniority, wear and tear, and success would make him far more likely to skip OTAs than Beckham, but Eli is there and Beckham isn't.

Yeah it's voluntary, so I guess no harm no foul.

But if Beckham can blow it off to do his own thing, why shouldn't anyone else? If zero Giants showed up to OTAs, would that be the mark of a healthy team to you? Would that merit concern here on BBI?

If a guy like.. I don't know.. Keenan Robinson skipped OTA's to work out with a different trainer, would anyone really care?

I doubt it.

Would I prefer that he was there so that this wasn't even a story? Sure. Do I think it's going to impact anything at all on September 10th in Dallas? Nope.

So there's really no reason for me to lose sleep over it.

When training camp opens up, Beckham is going to be there with everyone else.

In comment 13481187 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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but A), Eli would be the first to tell you that based on his play last year, he needs the extra work. and B) Eli and Beckham live in different worlds. Eli Manning doesn't have two giant corporations fighting over who gets to pay him $25 million dollars just to use his face to sell shoes and t-shirts. Comparing the two just doesn't work on a lot of levels.

c) based on his play in Green Bay, it couldn't hurt Mr. OBJ to show up either

d) Eli lives in the world where taking nothing for granted could get you two SuperBowl MVP awards

In comment 13481187 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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but A), Eli would be the first to tell you that based on his play last year, he needs the extra work. and B) Eli and Beckham live in different worlds. Eli Manning doesn't have two giant corporations fighting over who gets to pay him $25 million dollars just to use his face to sell shoes and t-shirts. Comparing the two just doesn't work on a lot of levels.

A) is meaningless because even if he had the best year of his life, Eli would still be holding offseason workouts for whoever wants to show up on his dime and being present for all the OTAs, he'd still have his own workouts with the various trainers and coaches he's used over the years scheduled for times when they wouldn't conflict.

People shouldn't be comparing the two largely because one is the starting franchise QB and the other is a WR. There's significantly more weight on the QB's shoulders, in terms of being "there" and what is perceived as leadership, than there ever will be a WR, no matter how great he is or famous he is. If a QB doesn't show up to OTAs and it's not an emergent situation, then that's not a QB any team should be investing in -- the same can't be said for any other position on the team.

In comment 13481200 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 13481187 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: but A), Eli would be the first to tell you that based on his play last year, he needs the extra work. and B) Eli and Beckham live in different worlds. Eli Manning doesn't have two giant corporations fighting over who gets to pay him $25 million dollars just to use his face to sell shoes and t-shirts. Comparing the two just doesn't work on a lot of levels. c) based on his play in Green Bay, it couldn't hurt Mr. OBJ to show up either d) Eli lives in the world where taking nothing for granted could get you two SuperBowl MVP awards

Jimmy, the majority would take the 25 million. That's a sure thing for your family.

missing OTAs. Not sure it was, but if so...no problemo

if reports are correct and that will help shut down some of this discussion.

I think all will be well - the refrain that OBJ is the last player we need to worry about on game day is well earned.

Of course, this is not the kind of news Giants fans want to hear. If he played for Dal, Was, Phi, or the NYJ there would be many more on here ripping him for this behavior.

has to do with week 1 of the 2017 season. Outside of beating the only dead horse there is, what does prepping for week 1 have to do with last years playoffs?

What about the Falcons? Should they never sleep and just workout 24/7?

In comment 13481257 UConn4523 said:

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has to do with week 1 of the 2017 season. Outside of beating the only dead horse there is, what does prepping for week 1 have to do with last years playoffs? What about the Falcons? Should they never sleep and just workout 24/7?

If you don't get it, you probably never will. I'll try to summarize for you the viewpoint that it matters.

1. Those with concerns connect the performance in the game to the off-field activity surrounding the game, including the pre-game stuff.

2. There is a group who harbored questions about him who held out hope that the GB game might inspire a change.

I'm guessing you dismiss these points and that's okay.

everyone ripped him for his view of Shockey who pulled a lot of the same BS, and how did that turn out?

Is it a huge deal? Of course not. But, is it annoying that he isn't there? Of course. A Giant fan can say this without being blasted for being anti-Beckham.

In comment 13481255 Jimmy Googs said:

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missing OTAs. Not sure it was, but if so...no problemo

We don't know.
If it was done earlier do you really think it wouldn't have made the news? It was on the financial channels today for goodness sakes. Highest deal ever for an NFL player.

In comment 13481263 Dan in the Springs said:

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In comment 13481257 UConn4523 said: Quote: has to do with week 1 of the 2017 season. Outside of beating the only dead horse there is, what does prepping for week 1 have to do with last years playoffs? What about the Falcons? Should they never sleep and just workout 24/7? If you don't get it, you probably never will. I'll try to summarize for you the viewpoint that it matters. 1. Those with concerns connect the performance in the game to the off-field activity surrounding the game, including the pre-game stuff. 2. There is a group who harbored questions about him who held out hope that the GB game might inspire a change. I'm guessing you dismiss these points and that's okay.

My point is that "inspiring change" in this thread means doing everything the way a fan thinks a player should. Not only was he working with a paid professional but hes been working out all off season and got off social media a month ago which he was mocked on BBI for and wasn't taken seriously.

Many people cherry pick what to be pissed at, it's tiresome.

with a player because he's talented and/or our best player. I'm a big fan of rooting for talented guys who also know how not to become a lightning rod for negative attention, i.e. Eli Manning, Carl Banks, or Mark Bavaro. I root for OBJ because he plays for us, but I sure wish it was easier to do so. Hopefully some day he'll understand how not to garner negative attention.

with a player because he's talented and/or our best player. I'm a big fan of rooting for talented guys who also know how not to become a lightning rod for negative attention, i.e. Eli Manning, Carl Banks, or Mark Bavaro. I root for OBJ because he plays for us, but I sure wish it was easier to do so. Hopefully some day he'll understand how not to garner negative attention.

In comment 13481169 Go Terps said:

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Is Eli Manning at OTAs? If he is, why isn't Beckham? Few players on this team have played more games as a Giant, and he is the senior Giant in the wide receiver room. This off-season is a great opportunity for him to start leading by example. But he wants to get a tattoo and work with a quarterback that will never play on this team. And he doesn't mind putting that kind of thing on Instagram. If I'm his teammate that would rub me the wrong way, but I'm not on the team so what do I know.

Do you know for sure Odell is the one posting this stuff on instagram??because it was reported a couple months ago that he stopped posting on social networks to focus on training. Which obviously wasn't a big story because it won't generate a lot of clicks.

It's seems more like people are finding other ways to generate negative stories about him. Even though he is also at fault because he's not making it very hard for them to come up with stuff to talk about.

From here on out unfortunately. As a fan I think it would've quiet the negativity he received had he been at OTA's after the Nike signing

In comment 13481255 Jimmy Googs said:

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missing OTAs. Not sure it was, but if so...no problemo

I don't know that it was or wasn't.

My point was that they're are two different people with different life experiences and different outlooks. Beckham couldnt 'be like Eli'. Nor could anyone else. It takes a very different type of person to take as much abuse as Eli has in this city since 04 and remain unchanged by it.

Players miss OTAs every year. DRC and JPP didn't appear in last year's OTAs until later in the week, and nobody remembers this now, because in reality it's utterly meaningless.

But my understanding is that he is always posting stupid shit, so it's not a stretch of the imagination that he did indeed post it.

And look, on a personal level I don't care that he's an asshole, but every single criticism I've made about him is with the same crucial question in mind: is this the kind of guy the Giants should expend around 10% of their cap resources upon for several years?

He's a diva and is probably not gonna change, but he's OUR diva..