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Patriots, Steelers, Falcons among NFL's 10 most talented tea

ZogZerg : 5/24/2017 12:54 pm
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Article by Gil Brandt, NFL.com
Giants at #6.

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6) New York Giants

The Giants have scored big over the last two seasons in terms of adding to their roster. This year, they added rookie tight end Evan Engram and veteran Brandon Marshall to a pass-catching group that already boasted Odell Beckham (one of the NFL's best) and Sterling Shepard (an up-and-comer). In 2016, free-agent signees Janoris Jenkins, Olivier Vernon and Damon Harrison elevated a defense that received a further boost from the breakout of safety Landon Collins and the return to form of Jason Pierre-Paul. The Giants will run the ball with Paul Perkins -- who has star traits at running back -- a lot better this year, which will help take some pressure off Eli Manning. While he's not his brother Peyton, Eli does still have as much velocity on the ball and moves around just as well as he did in 2015 his last Pro Bowl season. And, of course, he's a two-time Super Bowl winner. Left tackle Ereck Flowers must improve, but I'm confident offensive line coach Mike Solari can get him to play better.



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I have seen no drop in velocity either  
Big Blue '56 : 5/24/2017 12:59 pm : link
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Eli does still have as much velocity on the ball and moves around just as well as he did in 2015 his last Pro Bowl season.

Tea?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/24/2017 1:04 pm : link
Vanilla chai?
Way to bury the lede  
lugnut : 5/24/2017 2:49 pm : link
Giants are #6 but there's no mention of that in thread title citing 3 other teams, on a Giants site. OK then.
NFC East rules  
gogiants : 5/24/2017 3:00 pm : link
Most teams (3 of 4) in top 10
then
NFC South and AFC West with 2
Unfortunately Eli does not move around as well as  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2017 6:07 pm : link
he used to in the pocket. Nor does he throw downfield as well as he used to. He does spend more time looking at the rush though since he has two awful Tackles that cannot give him time on 2nd and 3rd downs.

But that's just me watching him in 2016...
Last night I was watching the Rams game...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/24/2017 7:17 pm : link
from OBJ's rookie season. Now there were already a ton of injuries, but it was interesting to compare the talent we have on paper now to the starters on that day.

Basically, our skill position players were:

WR: OBJ, Randle, Preston Parker

TE: Donnell, Fells

RB: Andre Williams, Darkwa

Compare that to now to get a sense of how improved the team is talent wise. That offense did well, scoring regularly against a Rams defense coming off 12 consecutive quarters without allowing a TD, and allowing no 1Q TD's (other than a return) that season, aside from the Giants game.

On defense, the guys getting the most play on the DL were JPP, Kuhn, Patterson, and Wynn. (FWIW, Wynn had a great game with a pick-6 and a sack).

The back end was headlined by DRC and Rolle.

Our defense is much more talented today.

Thanks for the link.
The Giants hit a HR  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/24/2017 7:18 pm : link
last offseason & the talent level is so much better than it was a couple of years ago.
Perkins has star traits at RB?  
giantgiantfan : 5/24/2017 8:50 pm : link
Any RB traits will do compared to Jennings last year. A healthy Vereen will be nice too.
I don't see the decline is Eli's game...  
lono801 : 5/24/2017 9:11 pm : link
I see a frustrated Eli...

RE: Unfortunately Eli does not move around as well as  
djm : 5/24/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13481150 Jimmy Googs said:
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he used to in the pocket. Nor does he throw downfield as well as he used to. He does spend more time looking at the rush though since he has two awful Tackles that cannot give him time on 2nd and 3rd downs.

But that's just me watching him in 2016...


Eli threw downfield and pocket moved just fine last year it's just that he didn't display those traits as frequently second half of the year. To say he didn't have zip on the ball or "slide"' in the pocket last year ala 2010 is false. He just had a lot more quiet games.

Could it be that the offensive perennial was downright terrible outside of Beckham and a solid shepard? Nah can't be that. How were Eli's stats last year anyway? Right about average for his career. Amazing.

Cruz, Jennings and donnell are still out of work. Vereen isn't injured. Perkins isn't a wet nosed rookie that couldn't even attend OTAs last year. Tye won't start anymore thank heavens and Marshall, engram and Ellison are here.

Correction  
djm : 5/24/2017 10:47 pm : link
Eli didn't have a lot more quiet games he had maybe one or two more.

4000 plus
26 tds
11 wins

With an absolutely terrible supporting cast of talent other than Beckham and Shepard.

Talk to me next season.
I have to say that I thought Eli looked...  
Crispino : 5/25/2017 8:52 am : link
to have lost a couple of MPH off his fastball at times last season. I thought there was a noticeable drop off in the velocity of some of his throws.
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