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B in ALB : 5/24/2017 2:40 pm
Anyone catch the HBO Original movie this week starring Robert DeNiro as Bernie Madoff? I thought it was really well done - directed by Barry Levinson's son, Michael.

What an unbelievable path of destruction this guy led.
I started watching it this morning  
Jay on the Island : 5/24/2017 2:42 pm : link
I caught the first 20 minutes before I had to leave for work and I am hooked. I'm looking forward to finishing it tonight.
I thought DeNiro was perfect  
B in ALB : 5/24/2017 2:43 pm : link
Really enjoyed it - another film/show by HBO that is really, really well done.
I couldn't help but to keep comparing it to the Richard Dreyfuss one  
steve in ky : 5/24/2017 2:47 pm : link
which I felt was much better. If I had seen this one first I think I would have liked it better.

If you get a chance try and catch that one some time.
DeNiro  
Matt M. : 5/24/2017 2:48 pm : link
was very good. He did a good job of going back and forth between exhibiting some regret and exhibiting some apathy about the problems he caused. Some of it comes across as a lack of self awareness.

Reading more interviews from his time in jail, it seems to lean more towards apathy and worse.
Actually  
Stan in LA : 5/24/2017 2:48 pm : link
It was directed by Barry Levinson himself.
I thought it was excellent.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/24/2017 2:49 pm : link
Depicted Madoff as a sociopath and gave the family a pass in terms of their knowledge of the Ponzi scheme. Where it didn't give the family a pass is in letting Bernie's regular shitty behavior (of the non-financial sort) go because they were afraid to confront him or upset the money train. The government is also completely inept, therefore complicit to some degree.

I expect Pfeiffer and DeNiro to win some awards, maybe even Hank Azaria.
RE: I couldn't help but to keep comparing it to the Richard Dreyfuss one  
ny2plano : 5/24/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13480920 steve in ky said:
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which I felt was much better. If I had seen this one first I think I would have liked it better.

If you get a chance try and catch that one some time.


Totally Agree. Dreyfus movie was much better.
I didn't see the RD version  
B in ALB : 5/24/2017 2:55 pm : link
might have to check that out too.

Apparently Ruth now lives in Old Greenwich, CT in a condo and mostly keeps to herself. She was allowed to keep $2.5 Million.
RE: I couldn't help but to keep comparing it to the Richard Dreyfuss one  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/24/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13480920 steve in ky said:
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which I felt was much better. If I had seen this one first I think I would have liked it better.

If you get a chance try and catch that one some time.


Thanks for the recommendation. It's going to be on CNBC on Thursday.
Watched it w gf  
well...bye TC : 5/24/2017 3:01 pm : link
whose parents were among Madoff's victims. She thought the film went to easy on BM understandably
RE: Watched it w gf  
Matt M. : 5/24/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13480943 well...bye TC said:
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whose parents were among Madoff's victims. She thought the film went to easy on BM understandably
I thought so. They almost (almost) wanted to make him seem like a victim, or at least pitiable. It wasn't until the very end where I got the stronger sociopathic vibes.
very well done  
ColHowPepper : 5/24/2017 3:22 pm : link
DeNiro was excellent, nuanced, facial contortions, contemplation, rage, etc., the gamut.

What did surprise me was how well I thought Michelle Pfeiffer played the role: when I first saw her cast (Ellen Chenoweth, crafty, excellent), I said to myself, Pfeiffer as Ruth Madoff, but I thought she pulled it off very well, stronger as the two hours + went on.

A shameful episode on the Street, where it is full of them. CEO of a client I had years ago was a Bernie client ("Bernie just keeps bringing it in...."); mercifully, he died before 2008, but his wife had to deal with the fallout, terrible.
De Niro was so good  
Kyle in NY : 5/24/2017 3:46 pm : link
Still got it. The way he played Madoff with the perfect combination resignation, denial, tranquility, and anger was fascinating. Really enjoyed it
RE: I didn't see the RD version  
djm : 5/24/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13480934 B in ALB said:
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might have to check that out too.

Apparently Ruth now lives in Old Greenwich, CT in a condo and mostly keeps to herself. She was allowed to keep $2.5 Million.


She's lost too much as it is. Poor woman.
Both her kids are dead  
B in ALB : 5/24/2017 4:56 pm : link
and her husband was one of the worst criminals in modern times. Humiliated, shamed in public, ostracized and berated on an hourly basis. Surprised she didn't off herself (though she tried).
Grandchildren  
Kyle in NY : 5/24/2017 5:04 pm : link
might be all that's keeping her going. If she truly had no clue what was going on, and the film argues just that, then I do feel badly for her.
I thought DeNiro's performance was very good  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2017 5:09 pm : link
But I prefer Dreyfuss' for the same reason someone already mentioned - DeNiro makes him too sympathetic. Dreyfuss played him as a straight-up sociopath.
RE: Grandchildren  
BrettNYG10 : 5/24/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13481093 Kyle in NY said:
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might be all that's keeping her going. If she truly had no clue what was going on, and the film argues just that, then I do feel badly for her.


Wasn't she a director at the company? I suspect it was a BS title, but can't be 100% sure.
Not sure  
Kyle in NY : 5/24/2017 5:26 pm : link
She was keeping the books in the very early years, late 60s. But if the film is to be believed, she had virtually no involvement after that. But yeah, can't be entirely sure.

Same with the sons. Madoff in the film makes it very clear he maintained that separation between advisory and market making/IB activities, where his sons worked. Hard to believe they knew nothing but it at least seems plausible. They refused to push for details out of reverence to him.
I haven't watched the movie yet, but I think it's plausible  
BrettNYG10 : 5/24/2017 5:36 pm : link
Everyone but Madoff was innocent out of the Madoff family.
But Bernie*.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/24/2017 5:36 pm : link
Obviously.
If so  
Kyle in NY : 5/24/2017 7:05 pm : link
it is quite tragic. The stuff with the oldest son is a difficult watch
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