While that's technically correct, he most likely enters camp as the safest depth option at DE. He's done it before and has had some level of success with a decent DE opposite him. If I had to rank the DE depth chart right now (irrespective of RDE/LDE designation), I think it would be something like this:
JPP
Vernon
Taylor
Moss
Okwara
Odighizuwa
Wynn
I have OO below RO mostly because I think some questions have to remain for the team about OO's commitment to the game, but he could easily jump Okwara on the depth chart if the light comes on for him. And isn't Ishaq Williams converting to DE as well?
In any case, I think Taylor is a fairly safe bet to make the team.
a better 53, or 46 , depending on perspective.
Predraft Rd 1 of FA , then the draft--top down;
Post draft FA Rd 2---bottom up.
Nice.
Any chance they bring in Okujio(sp.obviously) for OL, now that Bills gave up already?
a better 53, or 46 , depending on perspective.
Predraft Rd 1 of FA , then the draft--top down;
Post draft FA Rd 2---bottom up.
Nice.
Any chance they bring in Okujio(sp.obviously) for OL, now that Bills gave up already?
Having you been taking a nip of the whiskey?
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I haven't been drinking and I kind of understand it.
or injury insurance. We have 6 DE (JPP,Vernon,Okwara,Wynn,Odighizuwa,Moss)
Might make it, maybe over Odighizuwa. I would not like to see it but the Giants may be concerned with his commitment.Though I find that to be unlikely Taylor makes the roster.
Cant see Taylor making it over Wynn, due to Wynn's ability to play DE and DT. He plays the run well and can spell all across the line.
Would they give up on a 5th rounder before the season stars? its not out of the realm of possibility, but also unlikely the choose taylor over Moss
Okwara should be the third DE and isnt going anywhere.
Due to those reasons im saying hes a vet camp body, gives the young guys some competition.
so that JPP and Vernon didn't have to play so many plays, and now we've added Moss and Taylor to the mix. OO had better be ready to face the competition, because there's a bunch of it now.
Looks like the Giants took his strange retirement message very seriously. Otherwise, they don't think he can play.
Agreed, Marty. There will be a battle for those last few DE spots, and unless Owa shows something (and he hasn't showed anything to date) I think he should be the odd man out. We've seen contributions from Okwara and Wynn, but nothing from Owa as yet.
Devin Taylor has 15 career sacks in four seasons. His best year was in 2015 with 7 sacks despite not starting, so he can ne productive in a rotational role.
I think this is quite similar kind of signing to when we signed Robert Ayers, who had 12 career sacks in five years before signing here (with a season high of 5.5 sacks).
I think the front office still really Odighizuwa, but the really is Owa, Okwara and Wynn have a total of 3 sacks between them. I do think there is upside there (particularly if Owa is healthy), but adding Devin could be a very good value addition.
Giants can bring in some rotational guys on one-year deals. Those type of vets can often be the difference between winning and losing in the postseason. Like McQuarters saving the day in Dallas
The real issue we have is the number of snaps that JPP (793 in 12 games) and Vernon (1112) played. Improving the depth will help keep them fresher as well as giving Spagnuolo and co more options to get creative with his pass rushing schemes.
As much as I like Odighizuwa, Okwara and Wynn, they haven't shown much as pass rushers so far (hopefully they improve), there was a huge drop off with our pass rush whenever JPP or Vernon were not on the field.
The key point to look at it is that we had a really good defence last year. With additions this off-season of Devin Taylor and Avery Moss, our pass rush in particular is likely to be better.
and seems to be a good solid person too. He is a starter. Not a star player but a solid all around player who can get you sacks, stop the run and knock down passes with his great height. I wonder if the Giants might use him in the Kiwi mold as hybrid LB/DE. If he is listed as a LB, that sort of changes the dynamic in terms of who we keep. Assuming he is a DE only, I think our final five will be OV, JPP, Taylor, Okwara, Wynn. Owa gets cut and Moss to the practice squad or an IR stash.
What many are not taking into account is the influence and inspiration of joining what may become the best DL in the NFL. Taylor can very easily slide into the Tuck role during the 2007 Super Bowl run. At the combine in 2013 he ran 4.72 40 and 4.65 on his pro day. At 27 he is coming into his prime and the upgrade in fellow D lineman may uncap his potential.
At it stands now I would have to access that both Wynn and OO are on the bubble.
What many are not taking into account is the influence and inspiration of joining what may become the best DL in the NFL. Taylor can very easily slide into the Tuck role during the 2007 Super Bowl run. At the combine in 2013 he ran 4.72 40 and 4.65 on his pro day. At 27 he is coming into his prime and the upgrade in fellow D lineman may uncap his potential.
Good points, Taylor does have excellent physical tools.
It is also worth mentioning that he has long 36" arms and good athleticism with a 35"vert and 128"broad jump at the comnbine.
Devin Taylor didn't have a ton of help in Detroit, particularly with Ansah getting hurt. He was also overshadowed by Jadaveon Clowney and Melvin Ingram at South Carolina.
Taylor does have excellent physical tools.
It is also worth mentioning that he has long 36" arms and good athleticism with a 35"vert and 128"broad jump at the combine.
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Looking into it a little further, Devin Taylor's combine workout was very similar to (or slightly better than) Pierre-Paul's results.
Obviously that is only a small part of the picture, but it does give an indication of the kind of physical tools Devin brings to the table.
This team loves versatile DEs. Not sure he is third off the bench but he will be motivated (one year prove it deal) and playing alongside some talented guys. We will see.
The DL is the **KEY** to this defense and rotation keeps the guys up front fresh. This Taylor guy can START for many teams around the league.
The Giants will make a SB run in 2017 if we stay healthy. There is no doubt in my mind about that. The deeper your DL, the deeper you'll go in the playoffs. A fresh Taylor gives us the best overall set of DE's in the league right now, IMHO. All are in their prime now and ready to bust out.
I wonder if we sign the LB that visited on Tuesday? Whose name escapes me now, of course. LOL
The DL is the **KEY** to this defense and rotation keeps the guys up front fresh. This Taylor guy can START for many teams around the league.
If that were true, why did it take him this long to find a team? There are teams in much greater need at DE than the Giants and yet this is where he winds up? The contract details will be a big clue.
While that's technically correct, he most likely enters camp as the safest depth option at DE. He's done it before and has had some level of success with a decent DE opposite him. If I had to rank the DE depth chart right now (irrespective of RDE/LDE designation), I think it would be something like this:
JPP
Vernon
Taylor
Moss
Okwara
Odighizuwa
Wynn
I would rank them...
Vernon
JPP
Okwara
Moss
Wynn
Taylor*
Odiggety**
*Rankings subject to change if Taylor signs for anything more than $1M or if a significant amount of his salary is guaranteed.
**He'd be higher up if not for his strange tweets.
And at best he upgrades the rotation and improves depth. Wynn and OO are now on notice and need to bring it. Very possibly he kicks one or both off of the roster.
I like it. Giants are showing their fringe/bubble players they are not phucquing around... earn your spots and add value or be cut.
He's solid against the run, but nothing else. Not that OO deserves anything more, but he's got the protection of being a 3rd round pick and some time lost to injury to maybe save his ass.
you can't rank Moss with them. You have no idea how he will play in the NFL. Sure he looks good, that being said he was a 5th. He obviously wont be cut but I don't think you can rank him above anyone at this point.
likely closer to way coaches see it: did we forget how Okwara stepped in
once JPP went down and had a couple of strong games, from FA (undrafted) signing to capably manning DE on the left side? Pretty big leap, and he didn't quite sustain the strength of performance in all his appearances, but he was a factor stepping in as he did.
you can't rank Moss with them. You have no idea how he will play in the NFL. Sure he looks good, that being said he was a 5th. He obviously wont be cut but I don't think you can rank him above anyone at this point.
The fact that he was a 5th round pick gives you an idea of the value the Giants place on him. Ergo my placement of him in the rankings. None of it is based on my own observation.
He is a better version of Wynn. I expect the Giants to keep 5 DE's. Vernon, JPP, and Taylor are likely locks so that leaves 2 spots for Okwara, Odighizuwa, Wynn, and Moss.
The fact that the Giants tendered him at $1.8M is meaningful. They could've let him enter free agency unencumbered and then tried to resign him at closer to veteran minimum. On the other hand, I wouldn't read too much into it because it's not guaranteed and there was some uncertainty surrounding JPP at the time (he was on the franchise tag). Ultimately, the $1.8M could wind up working against him, if it's between him and someone cheaper (i.e., Devin Taylor).
He is a better version of Wynn. I expect the Giants to keep 5 DE's. Vernon, JPP, and Taylor are likely locks so that leaves 2 spots for Okwara, Odighizuwa, Wynn, and Moss.
I think Okwara and Moss have the inside track on two of the three backup spots with Wynn, Taylor, and Odiggity competing for the third and final spot. Taylor signed a one year deal. We'll have a better idea of where he fits into the competition when the details are revealed.
this year. We definitely need the depth and it showed last year when JPP went down. I think OO and Wynn have an uphill battle unless Taylor doesn't prove to be what the Giants think. I also believe they'll keep 5 DEs again this year. The DEs that can move inside on passing downs will have an edge, I suppose. Non-the-less it will be interesting to see what happens there.
Here's a good write up on him from a Lions blogger
This really comes down to where the blame for the breakdown of the Lions defense lies. Did the pass coverage fail because of a lack of pressure from the defensive line? Alternatively, was it unreasonable to expect the line to pressure quarterbacks whose first read was always open for an easy completion? I believe that both are true. Those factors combined with the injury plagued linebacker corps make this season a write-off. Taylor has been successful in the Lions defensive scheme.
This is a good signing. He has been a starter so maybe this will put the younger guys on notice and everyone improves. Between the drafting of Moss and this signing it has to tell the backups that they need to either improve or find a new team. Who will rise to the challenge?
Maybe we can get a pick for one of these guys late in camp now that the rosters have expanded for training camp.
The fact that the Giants tendered him at $1.8M is meaningful. They could've let him enter free agency unencumbered and then tried to resign him at closer to veteran minimum. On the other hand, I wouldn't read too much into it because it's not guaranteed and there was some uncertainty surrounding JPP at the time (he was on the franchise tag). Ultimately, the $1.8M could wind up working against him, if it's between him and someone cheaper (i.e., Devin Taylor).
Or between him and someone more talented/accomplished (i.e., Devin Taylor).
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Maybe. This guy's not a lock to beat out anybody.
While that's technically correct, he most likely enters camp as the safest depth option at DE. He's done it before and has had some level of success with a decent DE opposite him. If I had to rank the DE depth chart right now (irrespective of RDE/LDE designation), I think it would be something like this:
JPP
Vernon
Taylor
Moss
Okwara
Odighizuwa
Wynn
I have OO below RO mostly because I think some questions have to remain for the team about OO's commitment to the game, but he could easily jump Okwara on the depth chart if the light comes on for him. And isn't Ishaq Williams converting to DE as well?
In any case, I think Taylor is a fairly safe bet to make the team.
Thought of you as soon as I read the subject line!
I can't believe this bum Reese still has a job. Why can't we just have waves of all-pros at every spot on the roster?
Predraft Rd 1 of FA , then the draft--top down;
Post draft FA Rd 2---bottom up.
Nice.
Any chance they bring in Okujio(sp.obviously) for OL, now that Bills gave up already?
Having you been taking a nip of the whiskey?
I have no idea what this post means
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a better 53, or 46 , depending on perspective.
Predraft Rd 1 of FA , then the draft--top down;
Post draft FA Rd 2---bottom up.
Nice.
Any chance they bring in Okujio(sp.obviously) for OL, now that Bills gave up already?
Having you been taking a nip of the whiskey?
I have no idea what this post means
I haven't been drinking and I kind of understand it.
I don't know what that says about me...
Might make it, maybe over Odighizuwa. I would not like to see it but the Giants may be concerned with his commitment.Though I find that to be unlikely Taylor makes the roster.
Cant see Taylor making it over Wynn, due to Wynn's ability to play DE and DT. He plays the run well and can spell all across the line.
Would they give up on a 5th rounder before the season stars? its not out of the realm of possibility, but also unlikely the choose taylor over Moss
Okwara should be the third DE and isnt going anywhere.
Due to those reasons im saying hes a vet camp body, gives the young guys some competition.
Agreed, Marty. There will be a battle for those last few DE spots, and unless Owa shows something (and he hasn't showed anything to date) I think he should be the odd man out. We've seen contributions from Okwara and Wynn, but nothing from Owa as yet.
DE depth IS a glaring issue.
They got 1 sack out of all their DEs other than JPP or Vernon.
Devin Taylor has 15 career sacks in four seasons. His best year was in 2015 with 7 sacks despite not starting, so he can ne productive in a rotational role.
I think this is quite similar kind of signing to when we signed Robert Ayers, who had 12 career sacks in five years before signing here (with a season high of 5.5 sacks).
I think the front office still really Odighizuwa, but the really is Owa, Okwara and Wynn have a total of 3 sacks between them. I do think there is upside there (particularly if Owa is healthy), but adding Devin could be a very good value addition.
Giants can bring in some rotational guys on one-year deals. Those type of vets can often be the difference between winning and losing in the postseason. Like McQuarters saving the day in Dallas
As much as I like Odighizuwa, Okwara and Wynn, they haven't shown much as pass rushers so far (hopefully they improve), there was a huge drop off with our pass rush whenever JPP or Vernon were not on the field.
The key point to look at it is that we had a really good defence last year. With additions this off-season of Devin Taylor and Avery Moss, our pass rush in particular is likely to be better.
At it stands now I would have to access that both Wynn and OO are on the bubble.
Good points, Taylor does have excellent physical tools.
It is also worth mentioning that he has long 36" arms and good athleticism with a 35"vert and 128"broad jump at the comnbine.
Devin Taylor didn't have a ton of help in Detroit, particularly with Ansah getting hurt. He was also overshadowed by Jadaveon Clowney and Melvin Ingram at South Carolina.
Taylor does have excellent physical tools.
It is also worth mentioning that he has long 36" arms and good athleticism with a 35"vert and 128"broad jump at the combine.
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Looking into it a little further, Devin Taylor's combine workout was very similar to (or slightly better than) Pierre-Paul's results.
Obviously that is only a small part of the picture, but it does give an indication of the kind of physical tools Devin brings to the table.
This team loves versatile DEs. Not sure he is third off the bench but he will be motivated (one year prove it deal) and playing alongside some talented guys. We will see.
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Perry Fewell was NASCAR, Spags was the Four Aces.
The Giants will make a SB run in 2017 if we stay healthy. There is no doubt in my mind about that. The deeper your DL, the deeper you'll go in the playoffs. A fresh Taylor gives us the best overall set of DE's in the league right now, IMHO. All are in their prime now and ready to bust out.
I wonder if we sign the LB that visited on Tuesday? Whose name escapes me now, of course. LOL
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Wynn.
Maybe. This guy's not a lock to beat out anybody.
While that's technically correct, he most likely enters camp as the safest depth option at DE. He's done it before and has had some level of success with a decent DE opposite him. If I had to rank the DE depth chart right now (irrespective of RDE/LDE designation), I think it would be something like this:
JPP
Vernon
Taylor
Moss
Okwara
Odighizuwa
Wynn
Vernon
JPP
Okwara
Moss
Wynn
Taylor*
Odiggety**
*Rankings subject to change if Taylor signs for anything more than $1M or if a significant amount of his salary is guaranteed.
**He'd be higher up if not for his strange tweets.
I like it. Giants are showing their fringe/bubble players they are not phucquing around... earn your spots and add value or be cut.
once JPP went down and had a couple of strong games, from FA (undrafted) signing to capably manning DE on the left side? Pretty big leap, and he didn't quite sustain the strength of performance in all his appearances, but he was a factor stepping in as he did.
Odighizuwa needs to show something or he is gone.
I predict that Okwara and Taylor make the roster.
Do they keep a 5th DE?
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Maybe we can get a pick for one of these guys late in camp now that the rosters have expanded for training camp.
Or between him and someone more talented/accomplished (i.e., Devin Taylor).