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spike : 5/24/2017 7:55 pm
Milone to the DL with a sprained knee. Montero or Smoker might potentially start in his place. Gross.

Conforto
Reyes
Walker
Duda
Flores
Grandy
Rene Rivera
Lagares
Gsellman



0-0 in the 2nd inning so far


It's one way to get Milone out of the rotation  
spike : 5/24/2017 7:57 pm : link
BTW TDA is BACK!
When will Tyler Pill  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:04 pm : link
get on the 40 man roster?
WILMAH!  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:16 pm : link
3 run double!

He is now a full time player who can hit against the righties and lefties!
Wilmah comes  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 8:17 pm : link
through in the clutch!
My boy Wilmer doing his business  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 8:18 pm : link
Against righties. Who woulda thunk?
Cosart has been hurt since that seed off his ankle  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 8:18 pm : link
He's gutty but we need to pound him here
Grandy with  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 8:19 pm : link
a big two out RBI.
4-1 good guys  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:21 pm : link
WTG Grandy!
Part of me really wants to see Flores  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:21 pm : link
Get one final shot at 3B. Part of me wants TJ Rivera to get some consistent atbats there and heat up like we know he can. Part of me thinks Reyes is better than Cabrera at SS. Part of me wants to see Rosario at SS. What to do what to do.... 5 candidates for 2 spots.
All these early injuries to the positional players have been a boon  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:22 pm : link
for these young guys, Conforto, TJ and Wilmer (and even Rene). They have demonstrated that they belong here and deserve more playing time
Granderson has even heated up a little...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:25 pm : link
Which is nice timing with Bruce out. Grandy will be riding pine soon enough though with Ces on the horizon.
RE: Part of me really wants to see Flores  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13481308 ZGiants98 said:
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Get one final shot at 3B. Part of me wants TJ Rivera to get some consistent atbats there and heat up like we know he can. Part of me thinks Reyes is better than Cabrera at SS. Part of me wants to see Rosario at SS. What to do what to do.... 5 candidates for 2 spots.


Cabrera should be the odd man out, and it couldn't be more obvious and easy of a decision. Which means that when he returns from injury he will go right back to starting.

Reyes is better at SS than Cabrera and looks like he might be getting back on track with the hitting. But Reyes is still going to be worse offensively than TJ and Wilmer. It hurts to have Reyes and Cabrera in the lineup at the same time. Duda too. Too many dead spots.

Rivera and Wilmer are exactly what this team needs and it's no coincidence that the offense has been clicking with both getting consistent playing time. It's nice not having to rely on the HR for wins.
RE: RE: Part of me really wants to see Flores  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13481324 PhiPsi125 said:
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Get one final shot at 3B. Part of me wants TJ Rivera to get some consistent atbats there and heat up like we know he can. Part of me thinks Reyes is better than Cabrera at SS. Part of me wants to see Rosario at SS. What to do what to do.... 5 candidates for 2 spots.



Cabrera should be the odd man out, and it couldn't be more obvious and easy of a decision. Which means that when he returns from injury he will go right back to starting.

Reyes is better at SS than Cabrera and looks like he might be getting back on track with the hitting. But Reyes is still going to be worse offensively than TJ and Wilmer. It hurts to have Reyes and Cabrera in the lineup at the same time. Duda too. Too many dead spots.

Rivera and Wilmer are exactly what this team needs and it's no coincidence that the offense has been clicking with both getting consistent playing time. It's nice not having to rely on the HR for wins.


Agree 100%. What's worse is Cabrera really looks like a liability at SS this year too. But you are right... I can almost promise Cabrera is getting his starting spot over everyone when he comes back in a day or two. lol.
Is there a team who is any worse at pitchers bunting than the Mets?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 8:35 pm : link
Jesus H Christ. Just let them swing away. They are AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL at bunting.
RE: RE: RE: Part of me really wants to see Flores  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13481327 ZGiants98 said:
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Get one final shot at 3B. Part of me wants TJ Rivera to get some consistent atbats there and heat up like we know he can. Part of me thinks Reyes is better than Cabrera at SS. Part of me wants to see Rosario at SS. What to do what to do.... 5 candidates for 2 spots.



Cabrera should be the odd man out, and it couldn't be more obvious and easy of a decision. Which means that when he returns from injury he will go right back to starting.

Reyes is better at SS than Cabrera and looks like he might be getting back on track with the hitting. But Reyes is still going to be worse offensively than TJ and Wilmer. It hurts to have Reyes and Cabrera in the lineup at the same time. Duda too. Too many dead spots.

Rivera and Wilmer are exactly what this team needs and it's no coincidence that the offense has been clicking with both getting consistent playing time. It's nice not having to rely on the HR for wins.



Agree 100%. What's worse is Cabrera really looks like a liability at SS this year too. But you are right... I can almost promise Cabrera is getting his starting spot over everyone when he comes back in a day or two. lol.


Agreed Cabrera is going to start and he shouldn't.
Well, you can't hurt the fragile egos of your ancient veterans  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 8:37 pm : link
They might cry and then it would just be awkward.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 8:37 pm : link
Kid Conforto.. BEAST.
Conforto ...  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 8:37 pm : link
nuff said.
RE: Well, you can't hurt the fragile egos of your ancient veterans  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13481334 PhiPsi125 said:
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They might cry and then it would just be awkward.


lmao.
Ah... So I guess Conforto could be part  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:40 pm : link
of the new "run off" vote after everyone is selected without being written in. Still shitty IMO.
TC is gonna TC  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:41 pm : link
play the dying vets and burn the bullpen arms
How about TJ at third, Reyes at SS (until Rosario emerges) and  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 8:41 pm : link
Wilmer at 2nd? It won't be the best defensive IF but not really any worse than what we have now (which isn't awful anyway). At least that IF would hit.
RE: Ah... So I guess Conforto could be part  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13481344 ZGiants98 said:
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of the new "run off" vote after everyone is selected without being written in. Still shitty IMO.


He will go in as the 25th man or an injury replacement.
RE: How about TJ at third, Reyes at SS (until Rosario emerges) and  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13481347 PhiPsi125 said:
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Wilmer at 2nd? It won't be the best defensive IF but not really any worse than what we have now (which isn't awful anyway). At least that IF would hit.


Yeah if it were me I'd probably do something similar. I'd have TJ at 3B by a hair over Flores (I think he's slightly better defensively). I'd have Reyes at SS over Cabrera until after Super 2 in which I'd probably go to Rosario. 2B is tough because Walker is actually having a pretty hot May. Hmmm.
RE: RE: Ah... So I guess Conforto could be part  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13481348 spike said:
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of the new "run off" vote after everyone is selected without being written in. Still shitty IMO.



He will go in as the 25th man or an injury replacement.


Yeah... Probably. It's still lame. If he was just on the normal ballot, casual fans look up his stats and he's probably one of the top 3-5 vote getters overall and in the running for a starter.
Gsellman has to make this a game of course  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 8:50 pm : link
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Giselle just couldn't  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 8:50 pm : link
get through the 5th without some damage, could he?
RE: Gsellman has to make this a game of course  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13481359 Rob in Rockaway said:
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5th inning called and Gsellman wanted to stop pitching
They humbled Robles  
Rflairr : 5/24/2017 8:51 pm : link
They really need to send Gsellman down and humble him.
RE: They humbled Robles  
spike : 5/24/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13481363 Rflairr said:
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They really need to send Gsellman down and humble him.


as soon as Matz and Lugo return, we will see gsellman and Montero go down
1 more inning  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:08 pm : link
for Gsell!
Gsellman could go 7 innings tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:09 pm : link
Not the worst effort. He hasn't had the best start this year obviously but he's only 23 years old. deGrom was 4 years older when he debuted!
Im nervous of Lugo starting with a partially torn labrum...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:11 pm : link
Even yesterday he struck out the side in the first inning then quickly lost it. I'd go

deGrom
Matz
Wheeler
Harvey
Gsellman

Lugo replaces Montero as the long man in the pen.

That would upgrade things significantly IMO.
lets go PEN  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:19 pm : link
we need to get this win!
Sewald  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:22 pm : link
needs to have a bigger role i n the pen. Kid is good
Neil Walker sucks  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 9:22 pm : link
If you are ahead or behind by 5+ runs, nobody I'd rather have at the plate.

In a close game, the least clutch Met I can remember
Salas looks to have turned things around  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 9:26 pm : link
throwing strikes

good to see because Mets are going to need him and Seward to carry more of the load than you would normally expect
Walker is hitting .324 in May  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:26 pm : link
with a wRC+ of 143. That's almost as hot as Bruce's April.
Do we think Gsellman is just off to a rough start?  
csb : 5/24/2017 9:30 pm : link
Or do you think that he overachieved last year and this is what he is? After all he never tore up the minors and he wasn't even a top 10 prospect in '15
Salas  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 9:31 pm : link
obviously I spoke to soon

RE: Do we think Gsellman is just off to a rough start?  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13481412 csb said:
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Or do you think that he overachieved last year and this is what he is? After all he never tore up the minors and he wasn't even a top 10 prospect in '15


I think he overachieved last year and has underachieved this year. Add it up and I think he'll be a good 5th starter, maybe even more in time.
salas is hot garbage  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:32 pm : link
we need Blevins, Sewald and Reed
Salas kind of annoys me...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:33 pm : link
He's iiight if everything is clicking but he's pretty much the quintessential middle relief vet type that's easily replaceable. I'd rather go with younger upside options.
Salas is as good as Montero  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:34 pm : link
sucks ass.

Neil Ramirez omg
too many walks  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:36 pm : link
will burn them
My pen right now  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:38 pm : link
would be

Reed
Sewald
Blevins
Robles
Smoker
Edgin
Lugo

If Robles and Smoker give up home runs so be it. I'd rather go down with those guys than a bunch of older vets.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 9:38 pm : link
JFC.. why is fucking Neil Ramirez pitching in this spot. This guy FUCKING SUCKS.
Awful move Terry  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:38 pm : link
Thanks.
Can Conforto pitch?  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 9:39 pm : link
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Please  
Rflairr : 5/24/2017 9:39 pm : link
Release this bum Ramirez
TC  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:40 pm : link
should've just let Gsellman pitch the seventh.

Dumb move pitching Salas and Ramirez
RE: TC  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13481433 spike said:
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should've just let Gsellman pitch the seventh.

Dumb move pitching Salas and Ramirez


Yup. Gsellman was at like 80 pitches.
Dump Salas and Ramirez  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:40 pm : link
They are worthless below replacement level.
Why the hell is this scrub  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 9:41 pm : link
brought in with the bases loaded? Why was Salas in last night in a blowout? Are we saving Sewald for extras? Maybe Gsellmen should've had a shot to go 7 with a really reasonable pitch count?
TC has to know that his pen is UNRELIABLE  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:42 pm : link
and the less they pitch, the higher the chance at winning
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 9:43 pm : link
Why is a guy with a fucking 10 ERA even on the roster? I understand sending Robles down but not if that means this jackass is going to come in to pitch instead. He absolutely sucks. I never want to see him on the mound again.
RE: Dump Salas and Ramirez  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13481436 spike said:
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They are worthless below replacement level.


And Montero with Edgin on their heals. Bring up somebody like McGowen.
the Padres rarely score more than 5 runs  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:44 pm : link
so great job Mets pitching!
TC wouldn't know how to make pitching moves  
Chris L. : 5/24/2017 9:48 pm : link
if they jumped up and bit him in the ass. Second game in a row he has taken Gsellman out too early. And how on god's great earth do you put Ramerez in that spot? Guy is a lifetime loosing manager and he shows us why all the time.
Yep my biggest  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 9:49 pm : link
Criticism of TC thus far is the over-emphasis on pulling the starters early, either with being overly concerned with low pitch counts or not allowing them to work through a little adversity, especially in the 6th and 7th. One guy gets on and he's going to the bullpen. He's just over-managing and over-cautious with these starters.
Fuck Flores  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:50 pm : link
Just missed that.
I'll be so happy next season  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:50 pm : link
when TC is retired.
Has Ramirez gotten anyone out?  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:54 pm : link
He leaves destruction behind every time he is out there
Terry is a good baseball man  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 9:56 pm : link
But it is quite clear he cannot manage a bullpen.

So, he is problematic enough when he has a good pen but when he has a bad pen--like he does now--he is an utter disaster.

He should just let  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:57 pm : link
Warthen manage the bullpen. Jeesus
Not sure I have seen a ball hit that far up there  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 9:58 pm : link
.
Well shit...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:58 pm : link
This sucks...
wtf Smoker  
spike : 5/24/2017 9:58 pm : link
This is a dumpster fire
Was just going to make a joke  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 9:59 pm : link
that Collins would now have to use Blevins, Sewald, and Reed anyway. Instead he goes to Smoker who was in contention to start Saturday. ugh.
I vote for Tyler Pill to start on Saturday  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:01 pm : link
Get Becerra off the 40 man roster
RE: I vote for Tyler Pill to start on Saturday  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13481474 spike said:
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Get Becerra off the 40 man roster


Cant we remove Goeddel first?
Smoker has no command whatsoever  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 10:01 pm : link
Has good raw stuff but he can not locate consistently
RE: Smoker has no command whatsoever  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13481476 Vanzetti said:
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Has good raw stuff but he can not locate consistently


He had a couple of real nice spurts over the first few weeks. He seems like he's a bit of a headcase though. I still like his potential but he's been bad overall.
RE: RE: Smoker has no command whatsoever  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13481478 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13481476 Vanzetti said:


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Has good raw stuff but he can not locate consistently



He had a couple of real nice spurts over the first few weeks. He seems like he's a bit of a headcase though. I still like his potential but he's been bad overall.


He' s like Robles no. 2
We need  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:05 pm : link
Super Conforto to save us again
Big break there  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:07 pm : link
LETS GO!!
Need to capitalize  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:08 pm : link
on this error.
no way they pitch to Conforto  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 10:10 pm : link
with first base open
oh no  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:11 pm : link
Super Conforto couldn't get it done.


Come on Reyes!
this looks like a typical Mets loss this season  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:24 pm : link
It's been played over and over again
Not done yet...  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:25 pm : link
let's get Wilmer a shot against the lefty
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:28 pm : link
Okay, we're cooking here...
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:29 pm : link
GREAT atbat by Duda!
Come on Babe  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:29 pm : link
Flo. It's a lefty!
In this situation, with the shift on,  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:30 pm : link
I just don't understand trying to bunt for a hit to the left side. Worked out, though, good plate discipline by Duda.
Load em up!  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:30 pm : link
Here comes Grandy to GIDP.. LOL
Bruce  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
should've pitch hit for Grandy, whos struggles against Hand

Lets' go Grandy!  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
take it the other way!
we can't fuck this up can we?  
gtt350 : 5/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
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If they dont at least tie  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
it I might not watch the Mets for a week. Come on Grandy.
Oh boy...  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
here we go
here comes  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:32 pm : link
a granderson strikeout
RE: we can't fuck this up can we?  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13481529 gtt350 said:
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We most certainly can
Wilmer swinging for the downs  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:32 pm : link
And Gary's point about this defense. Too bad the LFer looked like he was playing pretty shallow there.

Still, like this! Bases juiced!
Granderson  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:33 pm : link
looked bad that AB
Fucking hell  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:33 pm : link
It's up to Rene Rivera? Kill me.
RE: If they dont at least tie  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13481530 ZGiants98 said:
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it I might not watch the Mets for a week. Come on Grandy.


I'm totally with you.
Can I say I'm greatly  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:34 pm : link
looking forward to a regular outfield of Cespedes, Conforto, and Bruce?
Brutal fucking AB  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 10:34 pm : link
by Grandy
Grandy HAD to know  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 10:35 pm : link
he was going to get a steady diet of breaking balls and he just stood there and watched the first two called strikes. Just a shit AB!
Arc i hate it when you're right  
gtt350 : 5/24/2017 10:35 pm : link
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.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:35 pm : link
LOL. This team fucking sucks.
Bruce shouldve  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:36 pm : link
had an at bat, again
god if he strikes out the side  
gtt350 : 5/24/2017 10:37 pm : link
that's ridiculously embarrassing
Fuck Fuck Fuck  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:37 pm : link
Rene Rivera has a wRC+ of 81. He sucks.
3 hours and 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/24/2017 10:38 pm : link
fuck this
and the season is over  
gtt350 : 5/24/2017 10:38 pm : link
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embarrassing loss  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:38 pm : link
Pathetic showing.

Just a brutal  
Stufftherun : 5/24/2017 10:38 pm : link
fucking loss!
Wow. I thought this game was one of the worst I'd ever seen  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:39 pm : link
an hour and half ago. Fuck you Mets tonight!
Disgusted  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:39 pm : link
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RE: and the season is over  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13481549 gtt350 said:
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They ain't catching AZ, LA, StL, Chicago for a wild card spot. With or without Cespedes.
Brutal loss...  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:39 pm : link
maybe the worst one of the year.

Hang in there fellas. Hopefully some wins are on the horizon soon.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:40 pm : link
Knew we weren't scoring.

This team is a fucking joke.

I'm with you, Z.. I need to take some time off from watching this garbage. It's really not worth the aggravation right now.
We had chances in the 8th AND 9th inning to at least tie  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:41 pm : link
What a no-show by this team.
I have tickets tomorrow too...  
Metnut : 5/24/2017 10:41 pm : link
not gonna lie... I wouldn't mind a rain out.
After Granderson struck out I would have pinch hit  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:41 pm : link
TJ. Much better chance of putting the bat on the ball and putting something in play and then you still had Plawecki to come in and catch if it's only tied. FUCK.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13481557 arcarsenal said:
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Knew we weren't scoring.

This team is a fucking joke.

I'm with you, Z.. I need to take some time off from watching this garbage. It's really not worth the aggravation right now.


I have a girl flying in from DC for a long Memorial Day weekend. You guys might seriously not see me for a little bit. hehe.
Here's how bad that AB  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:43 pm : link
is by Rivera.

You swing on a 1-0 pitch in on your hands with the bases loaded and 1 out. A lot of bad things can happen if you hit the ball. By not swinging you can only be 1-1 or 2-0. And he would've been 2-0, but he swung. You can't win the game until you tie the game. And it was right there. I realize hand isn't automatically going to walk a guy, but the pressure that would've been on him on a 2-0 pitch in that situation to throw a strike would've been huge.

Sometimes I just shake my head. Let them throw you a strike, he totally missed an opportunity to get a free RBI that would've tied the game.
RE: After Granderson struck out I would have pinch hit  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13481560 ZGiants98 said:
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TJ. Much better chance of putting the bat on the ball and putting something in play and then you still had Plawecki to come in and catch if it's only tied. FUCK.


He already used TJ.

But, yeah, the Mets need to have a contact hitter up in that situation.
Brutal fuckin day  
Shecky : 5/24/2017 10:43 pm : link
Wonder if anything changes?
RE: After Granderson struck out I would have pinch hit  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13481560 ZGiants98 said:
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TJ. Much better chance of putting the bat on the ball and putting something in play and then you still had Plawecki to come in and catch if it's only tied. FUCK.


TJ pinched hit for Smoker earlier in the 8th. Bruce was available?
RE: Here's how bad that AB  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13481562 allstarjim said:
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is by Rivera.

You swing on a 1-0 pitch in on your hands with the bases loaded and 1 out. A lot of bad things can happen if you hit the ball. By not swinging you can only be 1-1 or 2-0. And he would've been 2-0, but he swung. You can't win the game until you tie the game. And it was right there. I realize hand isn't automatically going to walk a guy, but the pressure that would've been on him on a 2-0 pitch in that situation to throw a strike would've been huge.

Sometimes I just shake my head. Let them throw you a strike, he totally missed an opportunity to get a free RBI that would've tied the game.


I'm not going to kill Riveria. He is a journeyman who has survived in baseball until his 30s because of his defense.

He is not the guy you want up in that situation.
RE: After Granderson struck out I would have pinch hit  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13481560 ZGiants98 said:
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TJ. Much better chance of putting the bat on the ball and putting something in play and then you still had Plawecki to come in and catch if it's only tied. FUCK.


TJ had already pinch hit. Do you mean TdA? I think Terry wouldn't have wanted to put a guy in just coming off a long flight in that situation, but TdA seems to make more contact than Rivera, and has better plate discipline.

Obviously, the way to get Rivera out is just by not throwing strikes.
RE: Brutal fuckin day  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13481565 Shecky said:
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Wonder if anything changes?


Probably Neil Ramirez gets sent down/released.
TDA pinched hit in the seventh  
spike : 5/24/2017 10:46 pm : link
Just Plawecki and Bruce available...

Reynolds shouldn't have been a pinch runner?
Ah. Sorry guys...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:46 pm : link
I missed that TJ pinch hit earlier. I guess it was either Bruce or Reynolds then. Neither ideal.
and Reynolds pinch ran.  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:47 pm : link
Yikes.
RE: RE: Here's how bad that AB  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:47 pm : link
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is by Rivera.

You swing on a 1-0 pitch in on your hands with the bases loaded and 1 out. A lot of bad things can happen if you hit the ball. By not swinging you can only be 1-1 or 2-0. And he would've been 2-0, but he swung. You can't win the game until you tie the game. And it was right there. I realize hand isn't automatically going to walk a guy, but the pressure that would've been on him on a 2-0 pitch in that situation to throw a strike would've been huge.

Sometimes I just shake my head. Let them throw you a strike, he totally missed an opportunity to get a free RBI that would've tied the game.



I'm not going to kill Riveria. He is a journeyman who has survived in baseball until his 30s because of his defense.

He is not the guy you want up in that situation.


I get that but it's pretty basic stuff. That whole AB changes if he's up 2-0. I would've been going up there in that situation saying that I'm going to take 1 strike.
Was there nobody else to play the outfield?  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 10:49 pm : link
There's no way in hell that Granderson should have batted there. No fucking way.
I just think it's clear that TC  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 10:50 pm : link
has to trust his starters to try and win these games. He HAS to let them go longer.

Cespedes can't get back fast enough, but he has to realize he can't rely on the bullpen to get 9-12 outs every game. He has to let these pitchers at least work into the 7th and stay with them if they let the lead-off guy on. They will work out of those situations plenty, and they are a better option than what he's bringing out of the pen.
Awesome that we are carrying three fucking catchers.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 10:50 pm : link
What a waste of a roster spot.
I dont know what to do...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:53 pm : link
We need a closer but it's way too early in the season for teams to start dealing. About half of this pen needs to go and we need to get some freaking bodies back off the DL pronto. Enough is enough. The baseball Gods have to start favoring us eventually.
Of all the asshattery  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 10:56 pm : link
tonight I think Im still most upset that Salas loaded the bases after collecting two outs and Collins went to Neil Ramirez with the bases loaded with Blevins, Sewald. Reed, and Edgin all available. Geezus...
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arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 10:57 pm : link
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Knew we weren't scoring.

This team is a fucking joke.

I'm with you, Z.. I need to take some time off from watching this garbage. It's really not worth the aggravation right now.



I have a girl flying in from DC for a long Memorial Day weekend. You guys might seriously not see me for a little bit. hehe.


Haha, good for you dude. Enjoy.

I sure as hell won't be wasting my time on this team over the weekend either. Need some nice weather, though!
.  
arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 11:01 pm : link
Gary Apple suggesting trading Dom Smith for a reliever.. LOL. This is ridiculous.

I'd just sell and play the kids. This team isn't going anywhere this season.
RE: Of all the asshattery  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13481586 ZGiants98 said:
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tonight I think Im still most upset that Salas loaded the bases after collecting two outs and Collins went to Neil Ramirez with the bases loaded with Blevins, Sewald. Reed, and Edgin all available. Geezus...


I agree. You don't give up the lead with Salas and Ramirez. That's also why you don't needlessly pitch Blevins and Sewald with a big lead the day before. That's when they should have used Neil Ramirez and let Salas throw 2.
At some point TC needs to STOP making decisions based on  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 11:07 pm : link
"wanted to let the player exit on a good note" and manage a fucking baseball game. Holy shit, Terry has no idea what the hell he is doing. He is expecting these pitchers to fail.

Fuck it...let Nelson Figueroa manage the team. He gets it. This guy is spot on with all of his commentary about this team.
It's almost June  
spike : 5/24/2017 11:09 pm : link
it's either Win now or sell off for prospects
Brutal loss  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 11:12 pm : link
But it is just one game. I think the Mets can get back on track.

However, you really have to be concerned with Collins' mismanagement of the pen going forward. This pen is already shaky enough as it is. Can't have the manger throwing gas on the fire.

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arcarsenal : 5/24/2017 11:17 pm : link
Why is Neil Ramirez even on the roster? He absolutely sucks.
RE: RE: Of all the asshattery  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 11:18 pm : link
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tonight I think Im still most upset that Salas loaded the bases after collecting two outs and Collins went to Neil Ramirez with the bases loaded with Blevins, Sewald. Reed, and Edgin all available. Geezus...



I agree. You don't give up the lead with Salas and Ramirez. That's also why you don't needlessly pitch Blevins and Sewald with a big lead the day before. That's when they should have used Neil Ramirez and let Salas throw 2.


Not sure if you guys saw it but Marc Carig reported via Twitter that TC said Sewald and Blevins were both unavailable tonight.

Which makes his decision making even worse in my mind. You knew the bullpen was shorthanded, you had Gsellman at 84 pitches, and you don't send him out for the 7th? Nonsensical. I've full on flipped to "fire Terry" mode. I used to defend him, I thought the criticisms were mostly overblown, but he has not made this team accountable, and he has mismanaged the starters and the bullpen at numerous spots this season. They need to at least leak that the next couple of weeks is going to determine his fate.
RE: At some point TC needs to STOP making decisions based on  
allstarjim : 5/24/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13481597 PhiPsi125 said:
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"wanted to let the player exit on a good note" and manage a fucking baseball game. Holy shit, Terry has no idea what the hell he is doing. He is expecting these pitchers to fail.

Fuck it...let Nelson Figueroa manage the team. He gets it. This guy is spot on with all of his commentary about this team.


If I weren't so lazy right now I'd post that gif of the guy vigorously applauding.
That's ridiculous though...  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 11:21 pm : link
We had an off day Monday and he had Sewald warming up tonight at times anyway.
Terry is a lame duck walking  
spike : 5/24/2017 11:21 pm : link
The Mets ain't firing him and pay him the rest of the season to sit home.

Season has been over when the stars got on the DL
I think the thing with Terry is he's always been  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2017 11:29 pm : link
the "players manager". He keeps a good clubhouse and players generally like him. That's very important over a long season. When you build him a fool proof roster his mistakes arent magnified all that much and he's no different than any other manager for the most part. The problem is when he doesn't have talent (see Angels teams) or his team is strained for talent due to injuries. His in game management gets magnified and let's face it... that's his weakness.

He's the opposite of Valentine. Valentine was an excellent strategist and got the most from mediocre talent but he couldn't manage a clubhouse of stars when he was handed all the talent in the world.

Both have pros and cons.
Terry just lies to cover his ass  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2017 11:56 pm : link
He pitched Sewald with a five run lead last night and he put in Blevins with a six-run lead.

So, if they are unavailable, it is his own stupidity. But since the Mets had an off day on Monday, I doubt they were unavailable. It is quite likely some BS he is making up.
RE: I think the thing with Terry is he's always been  
PhiPsi125 : 5/24/2017 11:59 pm : link
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the "players manager". He keeps a good clubhouse and players generally like him. That's very important over a long season. When you build him a fool proof roster his mistakes arent magnified all that much and he's no different than any other manager for the most part. The problem is when he doesn't have talent (see Angels teams) or his team is strained for talent due to injuries. His in game management gets magnified and let's face it... that's his weakness.

He's the opposite of Valentine. Valentine was an excellent strategist and got the most from mediocre talent but he couldn't manage a clubhouse of stars when he was handed all the talent in the world.

Both have pros and cons.


Eh, not sure I agree with this. He's labeled a "players manager" because he lets the inmates run the asylum. Doesn't hold veterans accountable and the veterans are the ones that run his clubhouse. It's real easy to be a players manager when you don't hold their asses to the fire. And this is also one of his biggest weaknesses. He is an awful awful manager that the GM had to be talked into keeping by their franchise player. But, to be fair, I've gone full heel on Terry so my viewpoint might be the extreme. However, every post game presser he says something more stupid than the day before.

As for Valentine, you may or may not be right...but let's not base it on his time in Boston. I'm not entirely sure he was 100% in it during that time and he was thrust into a losing situation with a clubhouse full of douchbags and bullies.
The media likes Terry and treats him with kid gloves  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2017 12:03 am : link
I think that is the main reason he has stayed so long.

You always hear "players love him." I believe that about the veterans since he always gives them every chance. No doubt in my mind that Reyes, Grandy etc like him. But what about guys like Flores? Not so sure Wilmer loves Terry.

I'm willing to bet that young players don't love Terry. Especially  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2017 12:11 am : link
when they are producing and they get benched or jerked around. Especially when Terry likes to regurgitate his whole "you hit, you play" mantra every year when they are just hollow words. Especially when he continues to downplay their achievements and almost mock them. Ugh, he's an idiot.
Yeah maybe it's just how he's viewed  
ZGiants98 : 5/25/2017 1:12 am : link
I pretty much agree with you guys. Terry's never been my favorite and I make that known from time to time.
and yet TC  
spike : 5/25/2017 6:25 am : link
is the longest tenured Mets manager. Amazin'
This season  
spike : 5/25/2017 6:39 am : link
I just want to see Flores and TJ, (and hopefully TDA and Lagares) show us that they can be full time starters and even above average producers.

I'm done with Walker, Reyes, Cabrera, Bruce, and Granderson. Reed will be a FA, so its time to trade him for some prospects.
I ask as I always ask after losses  
bhill410 : 5/25/2017 7:39 am : link
That are almost directly attributable to TC (by my count this is 4th this year) where is sethfromastoria to tell us how great of a manager TC is and how we are all a bunch of jerks.

That guy is the worst
The worst thing you can do to a bad in game manager  
Rflairr : 5/25/2017 8:34 am : link
Is give him short benches and a bad bullpen. And Alderson's shitty roster management is not fair to Collins.
But then that begs the question, why even hire or retain  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2017 8:39 am : link
a Bad in game manager? I mean, what's the point then? And I don't want to hear that there are a lot of managers that are bad in game managers. Terry is the worst of them all.
RE: But then that begs the question, why even hire or retain  
Rflairr : 5/25/2017 9:02 am : link
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a Bad in game manager? I mean, what's the point then? And I don't want to hear that there are a lot of managers that are bad in game managers. Terry is the worst of them all.


I'm not a Collins fan at all. But Alderson's shitty roster management doesn't help
Why was Blevins  
Metnut : 5/25/2017 9:07 am : link
not available last night? Did it have anything to do with using him in a blowout the night before?
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Jay on the Island : 5/25/2017 9:14 am : link
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Knew we weren't scoring.

This team is a fucking joke.

I'm with you, Z.. I need to take some time off from watching this garbage. It's really not worth the aggravation right now.



I have a girl flying in from DC for a long Memorial Day weekend. You guys might seriously not see me for a little bit. hehe.

That's nice, say hello to your mother for me. LOL sorry I couldn't resist.
The sooner they fall out of it  
spike : 5/25/2017 9:27 am : link
the better off they are.

Trade off the tradable expiring assets and prepare for 2018 with a new manager and the "kids".

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ZGiants98 : 5/25/2017 9:47 am : link
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Knew we weren't scoring.

This team is a fucking joke.

I'm with you, Z.. I need to take some time off from watching this garbage. It's really not worth the aggravation right now.



I have a girl flying in from DC for a long Memorial Day weekend. You guys might seriously not see me for a little bit. hehe.


That's nice, say hello to your mother for me. LOL sorry I couldn't resist.


Lol
Enjoy it Z  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2017 10:07 am : link
I remember the good old days. I sure do miss the beginning of a relationship where everything is perfect and the girl just wants to have sex all the time.
RE: RE: But then that begs the question, why even hire or retain  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2017 11:38 am : link
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a Bad in game manager? I mean, what's the point then? And I don't want to hear that there are a lot of managers that are bad in game managers. Terry is the worst of them all.



I'm not a Collins fan at all. But Alderson's shitty roster management doesn't help


That's a fair point. Sandy isn't exempt from all of this?
Where is Warthen???  
BobA : 5/25/2017 12:40 pm : link
We all beat on TC for his handling of the starters and bullpen, and I agree completely. But, I wonder where is our great pitching coach in all this? Shouldn't he be keeping TC from these obvious mismanagements of the pitchers?
I'd demote Plawecki  
spike : 5/25/2017 3:13 pm : link
and bring up a Gilmartin to avoid having to pitch Ramirez again, who should be DFA'ed for Goeddel.
I wonder how the team would react if Terry  
gtt350 : 5/25/2017 6:47 pm : link
threw an armful of bats in the shower
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