Toucher and Rich& #8207; @Toucherandrich 2h2 hours ago
According to Danny Ainge on our show this morning, Lonzo Ball informed the Celtics that he will not be working out for them.
... because you could bet your life Ainge would draft him to eff with the Lakers.
Ainge could have a different opinion, but the consensus for months has been Fultz as the #1 pick, even before Ball's dad started to act like a jackass and Lonzo played like he didn't give a shit in the sweet 16
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
mook i feel the same way, ball completely turned me off the way he handled that whole thing, plus it looked like that 2nd half he basically said ehh we are going to lose i dont care...
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
NBA forces these kids to play elsewhere for a post-HS season. I dont hold it against them that they view it as a waystation year.
It's the exact same thing, if Eli also refused to work out for anybody. And I'm getting the distinct impression that if the Celtics drafted him, he would refuse to come on stage, and possibly refuse to report.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I hope he becomes a spectacular bust.
But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
NBA forces these kids to play elsewhere for a post-HS season. I dont hold it against them that they view it as a waystation year.
I think it says something about you if you act like you don't give a shit during the game. A guy who loves his teammates and hates to lose doesn't act the way he did that night.
But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
It's a bit different when your goal is to avoid one poorly-run team vs. declaring that you'll only play for one favored team. I guess you can argue that they're in the same ballpark, but they definitely aren't the same thing.
And Archie never ran around slagging Eli's Ole Miss teammates, making prejudiced comments, making outlandish claims about how he was better than Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas combined, etc.
But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
It's a bit different when your goal is to avoid one poorly-run team vs. declaring that you'll only play for one favored team. I guess you can argue that they're in the same ballpark, but they definitely aren't the same thing.
And Archie never ran around slagging Eli's Ole Miss teammates, making prejudiced comments, making outlandish claims about how he was better than Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas combined, etc.
Obviously if you parse through the details you'll certainly find things that are specific to each situation. The core action is absolutely the same, or at the very least, similar enough where the distinction isn't applicable.
with Eli saying he won't play for the Chargers and would sit out a year. In the end the Chargers got fair value as far as picks back, but i think it was bullshit to say he refused to play there
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
If I were him though I would want to be the number 1 pick of the draft. Personally I don't think Ball is going to be a great player. I will be watching...
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Another difference. How much have we seen or heard Archie since Eli signed with the Giants? And do you think Daddy Ball will do the same thing?
... because you could bet your life Ainge would draft him to eff with the Lakers.
Ainge could have a different opinion, but the consensus for months has been Fultz as the #1 pick, even before Ball's dad started to act like a jackass and Lonzo played like he didn't give a shit in the sweet 16
Gotcha. I share many of the character concerns with Ball, and the Lakers have got their work cut out for them trying to decipher the personality. But at a point he won't be the big dog and daddy won't be there to run his mouth and create an atmosphere of stupid.
deal the 1 for the 5 and 10 to Sacramento? Monk seems like the perfect fit with the Celtics roster now as they need a wing scorer. Fultz can definitely play off the ball, but I think he works best as the facilitator. Monk would be perfect for them.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Archie and family were worried about SD in particular. Lavar just seems to be a control freak intent on putting his kid on the Lakers. The situations are pretty different IMO.
question is to who, for what? A lot of teams without a bonafide #1 star are going to see the same flaws that would cause Boston to trade him. And a lot of the contenders dont have assets to trade (CLE, LAC), arent big traders (SAC), have other money issues (GSW), or full backcourts (WAS, TOR). You gonna send him to HOU? That's a Calderon-Afflalo level defensive backcourt. Utah? OKC?
It's a lot easier said than done. You'd probably be hoping for a dump/desperate owner, or a team that is making two moves. E.g. LAL gets George and then flips on of their recent high picks for Thomas. Would LA give up Ingram for Thomas? I wouldnt.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Yes, but the difference is Archie played for a shitty ass team and a franchise that didn't get better. He didn't want the same for ELi in SD. So that's why the Mannings wanted to go to another team.
The ball situation is one where the dad hasn't done shit yet in the forefront of trying to market his son from wanting 3 billion dollars for the shoe brand to dictating where his son should play. Not to mention, both Celtics and Lakers are both iconic franchises. SD sucks as a franchise.
At the end of the day, Archie was right, Eli won 2 SB with us and SD hasnt done shit.
in this day of superstar control, of getting in bed with this kid. He hasn't played in an NBA game and yet he wants to be treated like a superstar. He's going to rub a lot of people with really big egos the wrong way.
In comment 13482254 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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in this day of superstar control, of getting in bed with this kid. He hasn't played in an NBA game and yet he wants to be treated like a superstar. He's going to rub a lot of people with really big egos the wrong way.
Buyer beware.
I think Lonzo is going to get targeted much like Johnny Manziel. Fouls are a bit harder on him.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
Mook, I tend to agree with you.
I watched every game of his this season and there would be 4 or 5 draw dropping plays in each one that you just shake your head. Then he'd sometimes float during games like he was in another world. Very strange. Also, he was ALWAYS hurt: Wrist, ankle, hamstring, etc.
deal the 1 for the 5 and 10 to Sacramento? Monk seems like the perfect fit with the Celtics roster now as they need a wing scorer. Fultz can definitely play off the ball, but I think he works best as the facilitator. Monk would be perfect for them.
I wouldn't think that BOS needs to trade quality for quantity. I could see them trading the 1 in package for a star, but that's about it.
I also agree that IT is a liability defensively..that being said, he's also the #1 reason they are where they are.
deal the 1 for the 5 and 10 to Sacramento? Monk seems like the perfect fit with the Celtics roster now as they need a wing scorer. Fultz can definitely play off the ball, but I think he works best as the facilitator. Monk would be perfect for them.
I wouldn't think that BOS needs to trade quality for quantity. I could see them trading the 1 in package for a star, but that's about it.
I also agree that IT is a liability defensively..that being said, he's also the #1 reason they are where they are.
I could see 1 for 3 and Saric, letting Philly get the guard they need and Boston ends up with a wing (Jackson, Tatum). But I'd just take Fultz if I were them.
will move the 1 for anything less than a Paul George or Jimmy Butler kind of deal...
They shouldn't even move it for that. They need to build a team that can win big in a few years, they aren't beating the Cavs until LeBron slows down. That would impact their chances to win a title in a negative way
Guys I'm sorry
Mike in Long Beach : 12:00 pm : link : reply
But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
More times than not, you're just taking the Radar route of being a contrarian for the sake of it.
You do realize he was one of the shittiest posters here, right?
And I'm dreading the next decade plus of LaVar Ball stories. Lonzo needs to tell his old man to STFU. He's painting a huge target on his son's back with his mouth.
And I'm dreading the next decade plus of LaVar Ball stories. Lonzo needs to tell his old man to STFU. He's painting a huge target on his son's back with his mouth.
Even more. There are two little Balls. A pair of Balls.
This
Hollywood ' Lucille'/Lamar Ball is perfect for the Lakers.
Ainge could have a different opinion, but the consensus for months has been Fultz as the #1 pick, even before Ball's dad started to act like a jackass and Lonzo played like he didn't give a shit in the sweet 16
Not really.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
mook i feel the same way, ball completely turned me off the way he handled that whole thing, plus it looked like that 2nd half he basically said ehh we are going to lose i dont care...
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
NBA forces these kids to play elsewhere for a post-HS season. I dont hold it against them that they view it as a waystation year.
Eli didn't want to go to the Chargers. He was willing to go to any other team but the Chargers.
Lonzo/Lavar wants him to go to only one team
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In comment 13482067 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
It's the exact same thing, if Eli also refused to work out for anybody. And I'm getting the distinct impression that if the Celtics drafted him, he would refuse to come on stage, and possibly refuse to report.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I hope he becomes a spectacular bust.
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I'd take Fox over Ball, too.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
NBA forces these kids to play elsewhere for a post-HS season. I dont hold it against them that they view it as a waystation year.
I think it says something about you if you act like you don't give a shit during the game. A guy who loves his teammates and hates to lose doesn't act the way he did that night.
It's a bit different when your goal is to avoid one poorly-run team vs. declaring that you'll only play for one favored team. I guess you can argue that they're in the same ballpark, but they definitely aren't the same thing.
And Archie never ran around slagging Eli's Ole Miss teammates, making prejudiced comments, making outlandish claims about how he was better than Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas combined, etc.
I'd have an issue if he tells the Celtics he won't play for them even if they draft him, but refusing to workout? Not an issue imo
OKC would be my guess
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But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
It's a bit different when your goal is to avoid one poorly-run team vs. declaring that you'll only play for one favored team. I guess you can argue that they're in the same ballpark, but they definitely aren't the same thing.
And Archie never ran around slagging Eli's Ole Miss teammates, making prejudiced comments, making outlandish claims about how he was better than Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas combined, etc.
Obviously if you parse through the details you'll certainly find things that are specific to each situation. The core action is absolutely the same, or at the very least, similar enough where the distinction isn't applicable.
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In comment 13482067 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
they are a guard heavy team in a draft headed by guards.
with IT, Bradley, Smart and the youngsters (Rozier, Young, etc) the last thing they need is a guard.
They should probably be looking to trade the pick for a big man, but I don't think they're in a position of leverage since big men are harder to find.
I could legit see Ainge still draft Ball, if there is a non-Lakers team who want him and draft/trade him for a big man to a team like the 76ers.
most interesting NBA draft in a long time.
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In comment 13482071 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13482067 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Another difference. How much have we seen or heard Archie since Eli signed with the Giants? And do you think Daddy Ball will do the same thing?
they are a guard heavy team in a draft headed by guards.
with IT, Bradley, Smart and the youngsters (Rozier, Young, etc) the last thing they need is a guard.
They should probably be looking to trade the pick for a big man, but I don't think they're in a position of leverage since big men are harder to find.
I could legit see Ainge still draft Ball, if there is a non-Lakers team who want him and draft/trade him for a big man to a team like the 76ers.
most interesting NBA draft in a long time.
Trading IT would be a very smart move for them. He's absolutely awful on one end of the floor
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... because you could bet your life Ainge would draft him to eff with the Lakers.
Ainge could have a different opinion, but the consensus for months has been Fultz as the #1 pick, even before Ball's dad started to act like a jackass and Lonzo played like he didn't give a shit in the sweet 16
Gotcha. I share many of the character concerns with Ball, and the Lakers have got their work cut out for them trying to decipher the personality. But at a point he won't be the big dog and daddy won't be there to run his mouth and create an atmosphere of stupid.
Do tell...
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for all their good fortune (aka the Nets) basically are not in the best position.
they are a guard heavy team in a draft headed by guards.
with IT, Bradley, Smart and the youngsters (Rozier, Young, etc) the last thing they need is a guard.
They should probably be looking to trade the pick for a big man, but I don't think they're in a position of leverage since big men are harder to find.
I could legit see Ainge still draft Ball, if there is a non-Lakers team who want him and draft/trade him for a big man to a team like the 76ers.
most interesting NBA draft in a long time.
Trading IT would be a very smart move for them. He's absolutely awful on one end of the floor
I agree, and he'll want to get paid after next season (as will Avery Bradley).
and IT is already 28, 29 next season.
He's just such a likeable player I don't know how they'll handle it, but he makes the most sense to trade if they do in fact draft Fultz.
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In comment 13482071 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13482067 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Archie and family were worried about SD in particular. Lavar just seems to be a control freak intent on putting his kid on the Lakers. The situations are pretty different IMO.
It's a lot easier said than done. You'd probably be hoping for a dump/desperate owner, or a team that is making two moves. E.g. LAL gets George and then flips on of their recent high picks for Thomas. Would LA give up Ingram for Thomas? I wouldnt.
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In comment 13482071 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13482067 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Not really.
Eh, I mean pretty much.
Yeah, and ex-QB Archie was pulling the strings just like ex-NBA player Daddy Ball is pulling Lonzo's strings.
Basically, the situations are about as identical as you could get between two different sports except Lonzo's dad seems to be reveling in the spotlight, whereas Archie stayed in the background.
Yes, but the difference is Archie played for a shitty ass team and a franchise that didn't get better. He didn't want the same for ELi in SD. So that's why the Mannings wanted to go to another team.
The ball situation is one where the dad hasn't done shit yet in the forefront of trying to market his son from wanting 3 billion dollars for the shoe brand to dictating where his son should play. Not to mention, both Celtics and Lakers are both iconic franchises. SD sucks as a franchise.
At the end of the day, Archie was right, Eli won 2 SB with us and SD hasnt done shit.
Buyer beware.
Buyer beware.
I think Lonzo is going to get targeted much like Johnny Manziel. Fouls are a bit harder on him.
Ball's attitude really, really bothers me. Not just his dad. He sometimes plays like he doesn't give a fuck. And immediately after his team loses in the sweet 16 all he wants to talk about is going to the NBA in the locker room surrounded by his teammates. Fox loses to UNC and is crying in the locker room talking about his teammates and not once talking about going to the NBA.
Ball is very talented, but the red flags are hard for me to ignore.
Mook, I tend to agree with you.
I watched every game of his this season and there would be 4 or 5 draw dropping plays in each one that you just shake your head. Then he'd sometimes float during games like he was in another world. Very strange. Also, he was ALWAYS hurt: Wrist, ankle, hamstring, etc.
He has Magic Johnson upside and JAG downside.
I wouldn't think that BOS needs to trade quality for quantity. I could see them trading the 1 in package for a star, but that's about it.
I also agree that IT is a liability defensively..that being said, he's also the #1 reason they are where they are.
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deal the 1 for the 5 and 10 to Sacramento? Monk seems like the perfect fit with the Celtics roster now as they need a wing scorer. Fultz can definitely play off the ball, but I think he works best as the facilitator. Monk would be perfect for them.
I wouldn't think that BOS needs to trade quality for quantity. I could see them trading the 1 in package for a star, but that's about it.
I also agree that IT is a liability defensively..that being said, he's also the #1 reason they are where they are.
I could see 1 for 3 and Saric, letting Philly get the guard they need and Boston ends up with a wing (Jackson, Tatum). But I'd just take Fultz if I were them.
They shouldn't even move it for that. They need to build a team that can win big in a few years, they aren't beating the Cavs until LeBron slows down. That would impact their chances to win a title in a negative way
Mike in Long Beach : 12:00 pm : link : reply
But if you're gonna hate Lonzo and defend the Eli move, you're the textbook definition of biased. Hell they're even in the same in that both players' situations are being orchestrated by their dads.
More times than not, you're just taking the Radar route of being a contrarian for the sake of it.
You do realize he was one of the shittiest posters here, right?
And I'm dreading the next decade plus of LaVar Ball stories. Lonzo needs to tell his old man to STFU. He's painting a huge target on his son's back with his mouth.
And I'm dreading the next decade plus of LaVar Ball stories. Lonzo needs to tell his old man to STFU. He's painting a huge target on his son's back with his mouth.
Even more. There are two little Balls. A pair of Balls.