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Odell Beckham "No Comment" on if he will attend OTAs

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/25/2017 4:10 pm
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#Giants WR Odell Beckham told @KimJonesSports from LA: “I love my team & am excited about the season.” Will he be at more OTAs? “No comment”
Strap a board no your ass  
Bluesbreaker : 5/25/2017 4:17 pm : link
so you don't fall in
It's about the money.  
FStubbs : 5/25/2017 4:46 pm : link
Always about the money.
Anyone know why he said he'd be here Thursday (today)?  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/25/2017 4:50 pm : link
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Let's be real here  
The_Boss : 5/25/2017 4:52 pm : link
"No comment" is really NO.
He won't be seen until mini camp.
I have my doubts if LT would have always shown up  
steve in ky : 5/25/2017 5:00 pm : link
Some guys are just gamers and not so much for practice

That doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer that he had shown up but in the end if he plays like he can and keep his head during the games I am not going to get too worked up about it.
I go back and forth on this  
AnnapolisMike : 5/25/2017 5:03 pm : link
But in the end it really does not matter that much. He will be a NYG thru the 2019 season. We have him this year.
The Giants picked up his option for 2018 and you would expect the Giants to franchise him at the very least for the 2019.

I'd prefer to see him working out with his teammates...but he does not need to be there. And maybe that is good as it gives the depth a chance to show what they can do.
Beckham  
Marty866b : 5/25/2017 5:10 pm : link
Got through the OTA's without an injury. That's a good thing.
If I was Odell, I'd say the following to whoever wants to listen:  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 5:12 pm : link
OTA's are voluntary.

You know what else is voluntary? Ripping up that shitty rookie contract I'm playing under as the best WR in football, and giving me the long-term security that I deserve, NOW. I mean, you know, just in case I rupture an achilles tendon or something while I'm busting my ass for you at your "voluntary" minicamp.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not bitching, just pointing out the facts, and the facts scream "double standard". So why are you bitching about me?
RE: If I was Odell, I'd say the following to whoever wants to listen:  
steve in ky : 5/25/2017 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13482648 Mark C said:
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OTA's are voluntary.

You know what else is voluntary? Ripping up that shitty rookie contract I'm playing under as the best WR in football, and giving me the long-term security that I deserve, NOW. I mean, you know, just in case I rupture an achilles tendon or something while I'm busting my ass for you at your "voluntary" minicamp.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not bitching, just pointing out the facts, and the facts scream "double standard". So why are you bitching about me?


He is best served simply letting his play on the field to the speaking. Complaining about a contract he signed isn't the way to go IMHO.
Do this fan a favor, stay away  
Big Blue '56 : 5/25/2017 5:21 pm : link
until it's mandatory..
RE: RE: If I was Odell, I'd say the following to whoever wants to listen:  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13482653 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13482648 Mark C said:


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OTA's are voluntary.

You know what else is voluntary? Ripping up that shitty rookie contract I'm playing under as the best WR in football, and giving me the long-term security that I deserve, NOW. I mean, you know, just in case I rupture an achilles tendon or something while I'm busting my ass for you at your "voluntary" minicamp.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not bitching, just pointing out the facts, and the facts scream "double standard". So why are you bitching about me?



He is best served simply letting his play on the field to the speaking. Complaining about a contract he signed isn't the way to go IMHO.


It's not complaining about the contract. It's pointing out a double standard. Everyone is arguing that he's hurting the team by not volunteering to show up. The GM is quite possibly hurting the team more, if you look at the big picture, by not locking this guy up longterm and showing him the love he deserves as clearly the best Giants player of this generation. Instead, I notice that Reese has joined the chorus of those who want to paint him as a bad guy because he's exercising his contractual rights. If I was Odell, I'd remember that when the clock starts ticking for the team on signing me longterm. Loyalty, showing up, and team-first mentality are values that go both ways. Or not.
With all due respect  
steve in ky : 5/25/2017 5:30 pm : link
It's a little naive to believe that wouldn't be perceived as complaining about his contract.
agreed steve, it does look that way.  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 5:41 pm : link
But if I'm Odell, at this point I don't give a shit how it's perceived, because I certainly would never have brought it up in the first place if I wasn't provoked by my GM to do so.

IMO, it is completely unprofessional for anyone in the Giants organization, beginning with the GM, to say anything about this situation besides "We miss him, we really wish he was here, but he has rights under his contract and we fully support his wish to exercise them." But now Reese is saying stuff about his decision-making and maturity and all that. I'd be ripping mad if I was him, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he in fact changed his mind about showing up on Thursday based on what Reese and others in the organization have said.
No comment  
Vin R : 5/25/2017 5:43 pm : link
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RE: If I was Odell, I'd say the following to whoever wants to listen:  
AnnapolisMike : 5/25/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13482648 Mark C said:
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OTA's are voluntary.

You know what else is voluntary? Ripping up that shitty rookie contract I'm playing under as the best WR in football, and giving me the long-term security that I deserve, NOW. I mean, you know, just in case I rupture an achilles tendon or something while I'm busting my ass for you at your "voluntary" minicamp.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not bitching, just pointing out the facts, and the facts scream "double standard". So why are you bitching about me?


He may want that...but no thanks. We have him cost controlled for the next two years. Pay him now...and he blows out a knee....the Giants are screwed.
RE: If I was Odell, I'd say the following to whoever wants to listen:  
AnnapolisMike : 5/25/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13482648 Mark C said:
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OTA's are voluntary.

You know what else is voluntary? Ripping up that shitty rookie contract I'm playing under as the best WR in football, and giving me the long-term security that I deserve, NOW. I mean, you know, just in case I rupture an achilles tendon or something while I'm busting my ass for you at your "voluntary" minicamp.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not bitching, just pointing out the facts, and the facts scream "double standard". So why are you bitching about me?


He may want that...but no thanks. We have him cost controlled for the next two years. Pay him now...and he blows out a knee....the Giants are screwed.
sorry about the double post  
AnnapolisMike : 5/25/2017 5:50 pm : link
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Some of you sound like Beckham's agent  
rocco8112 : 5/25/2017 5:50 pm : link
How can any of this be a positive? Will it have a huge impact on this coming season? Who knows? To me I can not understand why an athlete who truly believes in the team concept would not be dying to be out there working with his teammates. He should be chomping at the bit to fire up the new season since he played like shit in his last game which also was the biggest game of his career to date.

If he has a legitimate excuse to miss an OTA, then fine, he has no obligation to be there by rule. I learned from this forum that two of the activities Beckham has been partaking in this week are getting a tattoo, practicing with players who are not his teammates and hanging with Iggy Azalea. This is a free country, but does he ever think about being out there with his teammates? About starting the process of achieving what is the team's ultimate goal.

Look this is a free country and he can do what he wants. If he is pissed about his contract that is his right as well. But how is anything like this good for the team? To me it is all evidence of how he places himself above the Giants. Again, that is fine and likely not even too rare among players. A team that has too many with attitudes like that though will likely never win the big one.
Yeah, so as long as the risk is totally on the player,  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 5:50 pm : link
the GM can get up on that high horse and start talking about loyalty and work ethic and maturity, right?
This place will go apeshit  
aquidneck : 5/25/2017 5:58 pm : link
If the guy pulls a hamstring in preseason.

Knock wood, knock wood, knock wood...
By the way, you know what would solve this whole problem?  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 6:01 pm : link
How about doing away with this voluntary and mandatory bullshit. If the team is practicing, it's mandatory, end of story.

I know, it's probably something the players union negotiated, but all it really seems to do is produce this stupid, artificial loyalty test that the media and BBI endlessly obsess over. Maybe OTAs served a useful purpose in the past, but at this point they've obviously become this contentious issue that seems to manufacture bad blood between players and teams unnecessarily.
What did Reese say recently?  
David in LA : 5/25/2017 6:02 pm : link
He said at the end of the season that Odell needs to mature, but he also said a lot of good things about him. I haven't seen a comment from him indicating that Beckham doesn't have good work ethic.
RE: By the way, you know what would solve this whole problem?  
rocco8112 : 5/25/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13482700 Mark C said:
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How about doing away with this voluntary and mandatory bullshit. If the team is practicing, it's mandatory, end of story.

I know, it's probably something the players union negotiated, but all it really seems to do is produce this stupid, artificial loyalty test that the media and BBI endlessly obsess over. Maybe OTAs served a useful purpose in the past, but at this point they've obviously become this contentious issue that seems to manufacture bad blood between players and teams unnecessarily.


good point
RE: What did Reese say recently?  
Mark C : 5/25/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13482702 David in LA said:
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He said at the end of the season that Odell needs to mature, but he also said a lot of good things about him. I haven't seen a comment from him indicating that Beckham doesn't have good work ethic.


You're right. My bad. I was looking at quotes from end of season, thought they were from this week. Shouldn't have called out Reese on that. Oops... But I stand by the rest of my rant.
My guess is that he's just not there to minimize risk  
David in LA : 5/25/2017 6:23 pm : link
With zero workout bonus, why throw away a potential pay day when he's so close? If I have the facts correct, Eli Manning rakes in a lot of money for showing up.
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steve in ky : 5/25/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13482712 David in LA said:
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If I have the facts correct, Eli Manning rakes in a lot of money for showing up.


Care to elaborate?
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Klaatu : 5/25/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13482713 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13482712 David in LA said:


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If I have the facts correct, Eli Manning rakes in a lot of money for showing up.



Care to elaborate?


Eli has a 500K workout bonus.
RE: RE: RE:  
steve in ky : 5/25/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13482714 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13482713 steve in ky said:


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In comment 13482712 David in LA said:


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If I have the facts correct, Eli Manning rakes in a lot of money for showing up.



Care to elaborate?



Eli has a 500K workout bonus.


OK thanks. So basically he is being paid to voluntarily show up LOL
Good deal if you can command it, and he obviously can.
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Devon : 5/25/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13482713 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13482712 David in LA said:


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If I have the facts correct, Eli Manning rakes in a lot of money for showing up.



Care to elaborate?


Eli has a 500K bonus in this current deal if he shows up to over 90% of the offseason activities (not just these OTAs, but the entire offseason program).

Ironically enough, Vernon has a 250K one for 80% and he might not earn it, if reports on his attendance have been accurate. JPP and Snacks have the same and likely will get theirs.
It's funny how perspective changes as you get older  
Emil : 5/25/2017 6:43 pm : link
In my early 20s I would have been party of the "he should be there crowd." Now two decades and numerous non contact injuries later, put me squarely in the camp of, "play it safe, don't risk your health for non mandatory stuff."

Bottom line, if you are a player with a lot left to prove, or a guy getting a work out bonus, then get to the OTAs. If you are an established vet, waiting on a big payday chance, or have a history of muscle pulls, then probably should stay away til mini camp. I don't blame obj or Vernon one bit for not being there. Both players have solid rationale for skipping voluntary workouts. Also, with no workout bonus, you got to believe obj is thinking about his leverage in FA and trying not to jeopardize anything. Can't blame him one bit. Workout bonus for a franchise QB is easy. What's he gonna do, throw out his shoulder?
I think he should be there!  
Fred-in-Florida : 5/25/2017 7:37 pm : link
What about getting reps in with Geno and Webb! If, God Forbid, something happens to Eli any and all work with these guys now will go a long way to fill in the void
The NFL has many ways to keep players from pay days  
Glover : 5/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
Rookie contracts are one way, the 5th year option is another way, the franchise tag is yet another way, and they can do that two years in a row. The league has been whittling away at any kind of leverage that players have to force the team to pay them what they deserve. Mind you, this only applies to the top players, everyone else just shuts up and is happy to have a job, but the top players dont like that, but there is only so much they can do. What if Beckham went out and tore his achillies in an OTA practice? Holy shit. So much lost. He would lose the 14m/year contract he deserves, and the Giants would lose their best player..
Someone above said: oh well he will be a Giants through 2018, and that kind of mentality is why guys like Beckham, who are best at their position, say "fuck you". They are just an asset that teams weigh against their eventual, inevitable, injury, or decline. Teams are willing to give QBs contracts early, but rarely WRs. The Steelers did that with AB, and it has paid off for them. I think the Giants should at least spread his 5th year option and get him to a 4 or 5 year big money deal with a lot of guaranteed jack, but in the mean time, fans need to see things from his perspective.
Shread  
Glover : 5/25/2017 9:42 pm : link
not spread
RE: The NFL has many ways to keep players from pay days  
Milton : 5/25/2017 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13482867 Glover said:
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I think the Giants should at least spread his 5th year option and get him to a 4 or 5 year big money deal with a lot of guaranteed jack, but in the mean time, fans need to see things from his perspective.
The Giants should give him a 4-year $68M contract extension right now. When you add it to the 1.8M he is due in 2017 and $8.5M he is due in 2018, it becomes a 6-year (roughly) $80M deal. And I'm guessing that both sides are in agreement (give or take a few million) on these numbers. The sticking point is probably the guaranteed money, which I imagine is a pretty big stumbling block, because OBJ likely wants something well north of $40M guaranteed while the Giants likely don't want to give him anything near that considering his erratic behavior.
RE: It's funny how perspective changes as you get older  
area junc : 5/25/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13482722 Emil said:
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In my early 20s I would have been party of the "he should be there crowd." Now two decades and numerous non contact injuries later, put me squarely in the camp of, "play it safe, don't risk your health for non mandatory stuff."

Bottom line, if you are a player with a lot left to prove, or a guy getting a work out bonus, then get to the OTAs. If you are an established vet, waiting on a big payday chance, or have a history of muscle pulls, then probably should stay away til mini camp. I don't blame obj or Vernon one bit for not being there. Both players have solid rationale for skipping voluntary workouts. Also, with no workout bonus, you got to believe obj is thinking about his leverage in FA and trying not to jeopardize anything. Can't blame him one bit. Workout bonus for a franchise QB is easy. What's he gonna do, throw out his shoulder?


The problem with this "don't risk injury" stance is he is being celebrated for working out strenuously away from the team. Doing football drills. Is he not risking the same non-contact injuries on his own?
RE: I think he should be there!  
chopperhatch : 5/25/2017 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13482771 Fred-in-Florida said:
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What about getting reps in with Geno and Webb! If, God Forbid, something happens to Eli any and all work with these guys now will go a long way to fill in the void


Good God.
Who really cares anymore now  
micky : 5/26/2017 6:37 am : link
Just proven Otas are worthless. Useless
RE: I think he should be there!  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2017 7:38 am : link
In comment 13482771 Fred-in-Florida said:
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What about getting reps in with Geno and Webb! If, God Forbid, something happens to Eli any and all work with these guys now will go a long way to fill in the void


This can't be a serious post.
RE: RE: The NFL has many ways to keep players from pay days  
jcn56 : 5/26/2017 7:46 am : link
In comment 13482893 Milton said:
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In comment 13482867 Glover said:


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I think the Giants should at least spread his 5th year option and get him to a 4 or 5 year big money deal with a lot of guaranteed jack, but in the mean time, fans need to see things from his perspective.

The Giants should give him a 4-year $68M contract extension right now. When you add it to the 1.8M he is due in 2017 and $8.5M he is due in 2018, it becomes a 6-year (roughly) $80M deal. And I'm guessing that both sides are in agreement (give or take a few million) on these numbers. The sticking point is probably the guaranteed money, which I imagine is a pretty big stumbling block, because OBJ likely wants something well north of $40M guaranteed while the Giants likely don't want to give him anything near that considering his erratic behavior.


Milton, you seem pretty convinced that the lack of extension is one-sided. At this point, if you were Beckham, wouldn't you want to wait your rookie contract out and see what you could get on the open market? Wouldn't it likely eclipse whatever extension he would get at this point?

Sure, there's the risk of injury, but he's already got the shoe deal and a bunch of other endorsements in the bank, for the differential in pay it's probably worth the risk.
I'm guessing Beckham  
UConn4523 : 5/26/2017 7:49 am : link
laughs at 6 years and only $80 million.
Blame Jerry Reese  
siena16 : 5/26/2017 8:07 am : link
Jerry had a heart to heart talk with Odell after the season. Guess Odell took it to heart
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