In comment 13482634 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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he is just a happy interview
Yup, beside his talent, he is a great guy. Seems like an outstanding person to have on your team. Positive influence, leader. How could the Jets let him go? Oops.
Think the Devin Taylor signing was a sign that OO is done. Okwara is already ahead of him on the depth chart. And Taylor started 16 games for a playoff team last year. He didn't have a good year, but the year before he had a very good as a rotational reserve, which is what we'll be asking Taylor to do. Going to be tough for OO to make the roster over Moss and Wynn IMO, as only one of those three will probably make it. Wynn is at least good against the run, OO isn't good against anything. And Moss is the shiny new draft pick with potential.
After his tweets in the off-season he certainly shouldn't be missing OTA's. He doesn't have Beckham/Vernon clout.
not the 53 with the best attendance at OTAs. If OO is one of the 4 best D ends he will make the team. Nobody ever lost a job to a lesser player because of a tweet or an missed OTA and nobody ever will. OO's problem is if he and someone else are equal.
OBJ doesn't have to worry about that. And what anyone says on this Board or in a New York tabloid or on a football website won't change that truth.
So agree. How bad do you want it? OWA may not want it bad enough. Or maybe he has some family issue we don't know about. Regardless, he isn't winning the hearts of the players, coaches and fans by being out.
not at OTAs. I wanna give the guy some slack if he's getting his head together, but...this really isn't encouraging.
Shame as I was one of the ones that thought he would be a contributor but I can't see him making the roster. Got a figure Taylor Wynn and Okwara are all ahead of him and they drafted Moss. Maybe he comes in and kills it in camp but sure looks like he's an early training cut to me.
or why he's not there, or what he's doing, or pretty much anything about this.
As said above, by itself, this means nothing. If he's one of the best DEs in the summer, he'll make the team. If he's not, he won't.
True, may the best men win. I love our DE depth now. Still think we could go after a solid veteran DT if one happens to get cut June 1st in a cap move.
I am beginning to really like the overall depth of this defense.
-3 corners that can play and start on any team in this league
-4 proven DE's (Vernon,JPP,Okwara,Taylor) and potential 5th with Moss or Odi.
-1 proven DT (Snacks) but DT Tomlinson was a 5 year player at ALABAMA and will at least handle run down duties well enough. DT Bromley must finally step up; DE/DT OWA Odi must also surprise as an inside pass rusher else he is surely gone.
-LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential. Kennard can stop the run and rush a bit but he isn't a cover TE. Robinson can cover and is our nickel LB all day. There is no doubt in my mind we sign a veteran LB. Herzlich, though a ST leader and versatile to play all three LB spots would be a liability at LB in any coverage assignment which would be where an offense would attack. Can we find a veteran LB that is clearly an upgrade over JT Thomas, M. Herzlich?
-Safeties are Collins and D. Thompson if healthy. I am high on D. Thompson. If not, we have veteran depth now with our recent signings.
So long as we can get through camp and the early part of thee schedule healthy and with W's, we will be fine. I'm looking for a dominant 4-0 start before the really tough part of the schedule (travel) kicks in.
RE: His true market value is probably $20 million plus/year
He's making $1.8 million this year. The Giants have the option of extending him now but are choosing not too.
Can you blame OBJ for being unhappy with the situation?
When did his current contract become the source of his absence? It just seems to be a matter of preference as to where he works out right now IMHO.....
agree with your overall enthusiasm for apparent added depth, but on some points you go overboard, at least imho (:
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
agree with your overall enthusiasm for apparent added depth, but on some points you go overboard, at least imho (:
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
Darian Thompson - "if healthy", bingo.
I agree with you re: Okwara. His first start was one of the biggest surprises of the season but he really didn't do too much after. He has plenty of talent and I think he is a virtual lock for a roster spot but he is by no means proven. He might be the 4th DE after Taylor.
Odi is really frustrating. As others have said he really needs to be there unless he has a truly acceptable excuse. I thought the Taylor signing was a bad sign for Wynn but now I think Odi might not even make it to training camp. It's very sad as I was so excited when we got him in the 3rd round.
virtually no background and boom he's thrown on the biggest stage ...late when the villains are warmed up.
objectively, his second year upgrade should be higher than most....I'd call that proven...maybe not as much as a three year vet, but this kid's low side is NFL capable and we're very likely to see his high side.
agree with your overall enthusiasm for apparent added depth, but on some points you go overboard, at least imho (:
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
Darian Thompson - "if healthy", bingo.
pre-camp and early camp I alway go over-board. Enthusiasm is there. Realistically, I think players like Odi, Okwara, Goodson, even D. Thompson, M. Thompson, well, for all the shades of ability they've shown here and there and staff praise they haven't done shit yet. You just have to HOPE they step up bigtime.
Okwara held his own for a UDFA and you have to believe he can be better, much better in 2017.
Odi has flashed a good first step and some pass rush but nothing that makes you think he'll finally stick. In his favor this year is the fact that he appears healthy now. He basically missed his rookie year so if he finally puts his physical tools (great first step) as at least a situational pass rusher inside, he may stick because pass rushers don't grow on trees.
Goodson had a limited body of work at Clemson and few defensive snaps last year. He is smart & a leader. The staff didn't pursue Shepard so you again HOPE he is the goods.
D. Thompson is smart, flashed, but can he stay healthy? Is he more flash that production? We should know during camp. Game 3 of pre-season will be telling.
M. Thompson is another kid with versatile ability but can't stay healthy. If healthy this year, he knows the defensive scheme and could make it as the 4th CB/ 5th safety / ST type - the "last DB" as they say.
Or did I miss something?
Thanks for doing this Eric. Great spot to catch up on everything if people are too busy to follow the tweets.
Was wearing #23 fwiw.
Sorry for any confusion - guess I missed it.
It took less than a year but Snacks is already one of my all-time favorite Giants. He is definitely in the top 10.
Can you blame OBJ for being unhappy with the situation?
I thought I read on the tweets that when Apple left the field DRC went to corner opposite Jenkins.
Owa, OBJ, and Vernon are the only ones not there, according to most reports.
Apparently he wasn't and he's been spotted in Venice Beach working out with his trainer.
He doesn't need one according to the CBA.
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Hopefully he's got a legit reason not to be.
He doesn't need one according to the CBA.
No he doesn't. And I'm glad to read that he'd rather work out in Miami than with the team. That's great.
Yup, beside his talent, he is a great guy. Seems like an outstanding person to have on your team. Positive influence, leader. How could the Jets let him go? Oops.
After his tweets in the off-season he certainly shouldn't be missing OTA's. He doesn't have Beckham/Vernon clout.
OBJ doesn't have to worry about that. And what anyone says on this Board or in a New York tabloid or on a football website won't change that truth.
Shame as I was one of the ones that thought he would be a contributor but I can't see him making the roster. Got a figure Taylor Wynn and Okwara are all ahead of him and they drafted Moss. Maybe he comes in and kills it in camp but sure looks like he's an early training cut to me.
As said above, by itself, this means nothing. If he's one of the best DEs in the summer, he'll make the team. If he's not, he won't.
As said above, by itself, this means nothing. If he's one of the best DEs in the summer, he'll make the team. If he's not, he won't.
If there's a reason why he isn't, and he's communicated that to the coaches, that's one thing.
If not, it's a poor decision on his part.
-3 corners that can play and start on any team in this league
-4 proven DE's (Vernon,JPP,Okwara,Taylor) and potential 5th with Moss or Odi.
-1 proven DT (Snacks) but DT Tomlinson was a 5 year player at ALABAMA and will at least handle run down duties well enough. DT Bromley must finally step up; DE/DT OWA Odi must also surprise as an inside pass rusher else he is surely gone.
-LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential. Kennard can stop the run and rush a bit but he isn't a cover TE. Robinson can cover and is our nickel LB all day. There is no doubt in my mind we sign a veteran LB. Herzlich, though a ST leader and versatile to play all three LB spots would be a liability at LB in any coverage assignment which would be where an offense would attack. Can we find a veteran LB that is clearly an upgrade over JT Thomas, M. Herzlich?
-Safeties are Collins and D. Thompson if healthy. I am high on D. Thompson. If not, we have veteran depth now with our recent signings.
So long as we can get through camp and the early part of thee schedule healthy and with W's, we will be fine. I'm looking for a dominant 4-0 start before the really tough part of the schedule (travel) kicks in.
Can you blame OBJ for being unhappy with the situation?
When did his current contract become the source of his absence? It just seems to be a matter of preference as to where he works out right now IMHO.....
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
Darian Thompson - "if healthy", bingo.
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
Darian Thompson - "if healthy", bingo.
I agree with you re: Okwara. His first start was one of the biggest surprises of the season but he really didn't do too much after. He has plenty of talent and I think he is a virtual lock for a roster spot but he is by no means proven. He might be the 4th DE after Taylor.
Odi is really frustrating. As others have said he really needs to be there unless he has a truly acceptable excuse. I thought the Taylor signing was a bad sign for Wynn but now I think Odi might not even make it to training camp. It's very sad as I was so excited when we got him in the 3rd round.
objectively, his second year upgrade should be higher than most....I'd call that proven...maybe not as much as a three year vet, but this kid's low side is NFL capable and we're very likely to see his high side.
Okwara - I agreed with Milton's ranking him above some of the other DEs in the listing, based on his "show me" performance at the end of the season once JPP went down, but I think it's premature to call him "proven", would love it to be so. I think he starts off after OV and JPP on the depth chart, but he has work to do to prove himself
Bromley - "DT Bromley must finally step up", my feeling is that he will be at best the 3rd DT option and that the Alabama DT will move in as a starter after five games or so
Goodson - "LB Goodson gives me goosebumps, the kid has serious potential." We would all like to think so, but goosebumps? The kid has a tiny body of work. Also, the history, the long history of Reese's failed picks has shown that if they do not see the field early on, by year 1, in their tenure with the team, the odds are that they will not pan out as hoped. The one exception was Linval, but that was because he was behind some serious DT talent before emerging in his 2nd year. It is too early to judge Goodson one way or the other, but given that the Giants' LB corps is one of (if not) the worst in the NFL, the fact that Goodson has won precious little playing time at LB does not leave me with goosebumps. I hope I am wrong.
Darian Thompson - "if healthy", bingo.
Okwara held his own for a UDFA and you have to believe he can be better, much better in 2017.
Odi has flashed a good first step and some pass rush but nothing that makes you think he'll finally stick. In his favor this year is the fact that he appears healthy now. He basically missed his rookie year so if he finally puts his physical tools (great first step) as at least a situational pass rusher inside, he may stick because pass rushers don't grow on trees.
Goodson had a limited body of work at Clemson and few defensive snaps last year. He is smart & a leader. The staff didn't pursue Shepard so you again HOPE he is the goods.
D. Thompson is smart, flashed, but can he stay healthy? Is he more flash that production? We should know during camp. Game 3 of pre-season will be telling.
M. Thompson is another kid with versatile ability but can't stay healthy. If healthy this year, he knows the defensive scheme and could make it as the 4th CB/ 5th safety / ST type - the "last DB" as they say.