he could be building chemistry with Brandon Marshall, or improving the coverage skills of our young CBs but instead he's catching a brick??? I'm done with this guy...
i kid.. i kid...
Honestly, I think we're in for a treat this year with OBJ.
are complete bullshit. He's arguably doing more outside of OTAs than he would in them.
Getting "coaching" in a gym from an ex-WR in a suit is more productive than getting coaching from his actual coaches surrounded by the guys throwing him the ball, blocking for him, etc.?
It's OK to make the same lame jokes about the people criticizing his absence but on top of that we have to read this shit?
are complete bullshit. He's arguably doing more outside of OTAs than he would in them.
Getting "coaching" in a gym from an ex-WR in a suit is more productive than getting coaching from his actual coaches surrounded by the guys throwing him the ball, blocking for him, etc.?
It's OK to make the same lame jokes about the people criticizing his absence but on top of that we have to read this shit?
Yup, he's only there working out with carter, not another soul in the gym.
I have no idea what to tell you man. You hate it, great. Now what?
Can someone explain what exactly it is that he'd be getting out of OTA's that he's not doing on his own?
He knows the offense, he knows the terminology. He's played over 40 games with Eli Manning and has taken part in about 500 practices.
Aside from the whole cushy "I want to see him with his teammates" thing, why exactly does this matter again?
I'm genuinely curious.
Yes or no.. is missing a few days of OTA's going to impact his performance on the field come September? If you say yes, you know you're lying to yourself.
Can someone explain what exactly it is that he'd be getting out of OTA's that he's not doing on his own?
He knows the offense, he knows the terminology. He's played over 40 games with Eli Manning and has taken part in about 500 practices.
Aside from the whole cushy "I want to see him with his teammates" thing, why exactly does this matter again?
I'm genuinely curious.
Yes or no.. is missing a few days of OTA's going to impact his performance on the field come September? If you say yes, you know you're lying to yourself.
Ummm. He would satisfy the rantings of the women of BBI? Duh.
I don't know, maybe he could be helping the rookies? Maybe they want to install new shit with Engram and Marshall in the picture, and this is an opportunity to get a head start on those discussions? Maybe he and the offensive coaches could bounce ideas off each other as to what to focus on in training camp? Maybe the rookies would be in on these conversations and benefit?
There are numerous ways he could help himself, his teammates, and his coaches by being there.
I know we're all supposed to think it's all about him, but it isn't.
that's a given. My post is mocking those who claim he's only clowning around and not taking his craft seriously. Well, that appears to be compete horseshit.
So if he doesn't help the rookies this week or congregate with the coaches, he can't communicate with them at any point between now and September?
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
I think it tells us about him, and his priorities.
And that's not a guy I'd pay twenty million.
Really the all time leaders in Receiving TDs/Game is not the guy you would pay 20 Million to? mind you we just paid almost that much to a backup TE/Fullback...
I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
Working his ass off AND getting his ass worked on.
I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
Working his ass off AND getting his ass worked on.
So if he doesn't help the rookies this week or congregate with the coaches, he can't communicate with them at any point between now and September?
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
We both know that.
So then why is almost the entire team there? There were what, three guys missing out of how many? 70 or 80?
Why should any of them go if the supposed best player on the team doesn't have to?
This is a chance for him to step up and show some leadership, and to respond to his boss's comments about him in January. It's an opportunity for him to start working with new teammates at the offensive skill positions (including by the way Webb who could end up his long term quarterback).
I'm not saying this to motherfuck Beckham. He is what he is. To me this is about the front office and how they view him going forward.
because he is a presumed leader on the team. That's the bottom line. Is the end of the world? No. Is it unprecedented? No. But he should be there. Time to be a leader.
be a leader. Maybe the role that fans have assigned him isn't what he wants. Maybe he thinks it's his life to live.
Not saying that jives with being a champion football player, but he's not breaking any rules and he's not out drinking like a maniac like other NY stars have been doing recently.
So if he doesn't help the rookies this week or congregate with the coaches, he can't communicate with them at any point between now and September?
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
We both know that.
So then why is almost the entire team there? There were what, three guys missing out of how many? 70 or 80?
Why should any of them go if the supposed best player on the team doesn't have to?
This is a chance for him to step up and show some leadership, and to respond to his boss's comments about him in January. It's an opportunity for him to start working with new teammates at the offensive skill positions (including by the way Webb who could end up his long term quarterback).
I'm not saying this to motherfuck Beckham. He is what he is. To me this is about the front office and how they view him going forward.
Different players are there for different reasons - they are not all in the same boat.
Some guys are actually getting paid to be there.
Some guys are rookies who need to learn the system.
Some guys are bubble guys who are far from guaranteed a roster spot and need to do everything they can do to make the team.
Beckham doesn't fit any of that criteria.
If Webb is Beckham's QB down the line, Beckham missing a few days of OTA's is going to have zero long-term impact on their rapport.
He's going to work with these guys throughout training camp.
There is literally going to be no tangible difference on the field come September. I would be angry about this if I really believed that it was going to have any sort of impact on the actual football season. But every single person here knows damn well it will not.
Snacks was asked about being a leader today and he said he's not a leader. Does that bother anyone? It doesn't bother me.
Elite players don't always have to be leaders. Fans just connect the two and expect it to happen.
There are a lot of average guys in sports who have great leadership qualities. The best players aren't always the best leaders and they don't always have to be.
Yes, it stinks he's not at OTA's, but some people in the know (including writers) say he's the hardest working guy on the team, the most respected and very highly thought of by his teammates. He wants to be great and puts in the work to do so. He wants to win just as bad if not worse than anyone on the team.
He's also under more scrutiny than any other player and in the public eye more than any other player.
you are going to be a leader. The players are going to look to you for cues on how to work and prepare. He doesn't want to be a leader? Tough shit. They need him to be. This exact conversation is being had around here about Fletcher Cox. And every ex-player says the same thing. He should be there.
Most of the nonsense around OBJ is absurdly overblown. But there is no reason why he shouldn't be there. Inventing excuses is silly.
But his missing it isn't that big of a deal to me.
I mentioned on another thread I have my doubts if LT would have always shown up. Some guys are just gamers and not so much for practice. In the end if he plays like he can and keeps his head during the games I am not going to get too worked up about it.
Will Odell's absence from OTA's have any effect whatsoever on the upcoming season?
Either you can tell the truth, and say no, or you can reach far and wide to invent some half-assed reasons as to how you think it could.
Nary a peep about Olivier Vernon, who is making significantly more money than Beckham, but about 10 threads about Beckham.
No one seems to be worried that Vernon's absence will negatively effect the defense or that he's not there to offer a hand to younger guys or whatever reasons we're digging feverishly for at this point - but Beckham not being there is supposed to have some sort of team-wide drawback?
The amount of attention this topic is receiving in relation to the impact it actually has on the team is fucking absurd.
No one is going to care about this when training camp opens at the end of July and Beckham is there like everyone else.
you are going to be a leader. The players are going to look to you for cues on how to work and prepare. He doesn't want to be a leader? Tough shit. They need him to be. This exact conversation is being had around here about Fletcher Cox. And every ex-player says the same thing. He should be there.
Most of the nonsense around OBJ is absurdly overblown. But there is no reason why he shouldn't be there. Inventing excuses is silly.
"Cool dad"; I chuckled.
I've been a Beckham defender on here, but yeah, I'd just rather wish he was there. Ditto Vernon. Like..just go there and be with your teammates for a couple weeks of the off-season. It's not that hard..
we don't know why he's not there. What we do know is he isn't just eating bon bons on his couch. Could be contract related, could be he doesn't want to risk injury, could be something else. Why pretend to know what it is and get all pissy about it?
I have no idea what it is. But again, why not just be there? And who's getting pissy? This is where the disconnect happens. Posting that it's not a big deal, but you'd rather him be there, isn't "pissy"...like...in the least. Seems like that might be some other folks on this thread, if anything.
The comment about it not being hard was a direct response. If there are other factors at play how can anyone talk about difficulty? Unless of course you think he's blowing it off and not giving a fuck.
Imagine if he really were eating bon bons on the couch right now
because he is a presumed leader on the team. That's the bottom line. Is the end of the world? No. Is it unprecedented? No. But he should be there. Time to be a leader.
This, end thread, drop the mic, go the fuck home everyone.
Contract? So, not going to OTAs in May is his way of trying to make a statement? I don't buy that, personally. Wouldn't exactly help his case, either. I think it's obvious the Giants are going to make him one of the highest paid players in the league, if not the highest, not counting franchise QBs, I suppose?
Or one of the best route runners in NFL history.
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Or one of the best route runners in NFL history.
The "fall guy" hehe
i kid.. i kid...
Never seen that before
Getting "coaching" in a gym from an ex-WR in a suit is more productive than getting coaching from his actual coaches surrounded by the guys throwing him the ball, blocking for him, etc.?
It's OK to make the same lame jokes about the people criticizing his absence but on top of that we have to read this shit?
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are complete bullshit. He's arguably doing more outside of OTAs than he would in them.
Getting "coaching" in a gym from an ex-WR in a suit is more productive than getting coaching from his actual coaches surrounded by the guys throwing him the ball, blocking for him, etc.?
It's OK to make the same lame jokes about the people criticizing his absence but on top of that we have to read this shit?
Yup, he's only there working out with carter, not another soul in the gym.
I have no idea what to tell you man. You hate it, great. Now what?
Exactly. Plus she's smothering him with that giant turd cutter to help with his cardio.
Ehh that's reaching a bit.. no?
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Exactly. Plus she's smothering him with that giant turd cutter to help with his cardio.
"Giant turd?"
- Osi
He knows the offense, he knows the terminology. He's played over 40 games with Eli Manning and has taken part in about 500 practices.
Aside from the whole cushy "I want to see him with his teammates" thing, why exactly does this matter again?
I'm genuinely curious.
Yes or no.. is missing a few days of OTA's going to impact his performance on the field come September? If you say yes, you know you're lying to yourself.
He knows the offense, he knows the terminology. He's played over 40 games with Eli Manning and has taken part in about 500 practices.
Aside from the whole cushy "I want to see him with his teammates" thing, why exactly does this matter again?
I'm genuinely curious.
Yes or no.. is missing a few days of OTA's going to impact his performance on the field come September? If you say yes, you know you're lying to yourself.
Ummm. He would satisfy the rantings of the women of BBI? Duh.
There are numerous ways he could help himself, his teammates, and his coaches by being there.
I know we're all supposed to think it's all about him, but it isn't.
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
We both know that.
And that's not a guy I'd pay twenty million.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
And that's not a guy I'd pay twenty million.
Really the all time leaders in Receiving TDs/Game is not the guy you would pay 20 Million to? mind you we just paid almost that much to a backup TE/Fullback...
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I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
Working his ass off AND getting his ass worked on.
How bout that?
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I mean, as far as I can tell, his priority is being the best football player he can possibly be.
I can also tell you what his priority is not. Which is satisfying the critics or doing what everyone else says he should or shouldn't do.
Odell Beckham Jr. has one job - to be the best football player he can possibly be for the New York Giants. And none of his actions say to me that he's not focused on doing exactly that.
I am certain the guy is working his ass off. That's enough for me. I don't care if he does it with his teammates or without them in May.
Working his ass off AND getting his ass worked on.
How bout that?
Bwahaha
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
We both know that.
So then why is almost the entire team there? There were what, three guys missing out of how many? 70 or 80?
Why should any of them go if the supposed best player on the team doesn't have to?
This is a chance for him to step up and show some leadership, and to respond to his boss's comments about him in January. It's an opportunity for him to start working with new teammates at the offensive skill positions (including by the way Webb who could end up his long term quarterback).
I'm not saying this to motherfuck Beckham. He is what he is. To me this is about the front office and how they view him going forward.
Not saying that jives with being a champion football player, but he's not breaking any rules and he's not out drinking like a maniac like other NY stars have been doing recently.
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So if he doesn't help the rookies this week or congregate with the coaches, he can't communicate with them at any point between now and September?
We're really reaching here...
He was by Shepard's side throughout all of camp last year. If he can help any of the young guys, he will. He's not going to stunt a young players career by not being there to offer guidance during OTA's.
Besides, I'm pretty sure a guy like Brandon Marshall can help them along just as well. That's also what coaches are for.
I know you really don't believe deep down that this matters. But it's another way to criticize him so you're taking the opportunity to do so.
Nothing is going to happen during the course of the season where people say "man, if Odell had only been at OTA's.. this never would have happened..."
We both know that.
So then why is almost the entire team there? There were what, three guys missing out of how many? 70 or 80?
Why should any of them go if the supposed best player on the team doesn't have to?
This is a chance for him to step up and show some leadership, and to respond to his boss's comments about him in January. It's an opportunity for him to start working with new teammates at the offensive skill positions (including by the way Webb who could end up his long term quarterback).
I'm not saying this to motherfuck Beckham. He is what he is. To me this is about the front office and how they view him going forward.
Different players are there for different reasons - they are not all in the same boat.
Some guys are actually getting paid to be there.
Some guys are rookies who need to learn the system.
Some guys are bubble guys who are far from guaranteed a roster spot and need to do everything they can do to make the team.
Beckham doesn't fit any of that criteria.
If Webb is Beckham's QB down the line, Beckham missing a few days of OTA's is going to have zero long-term impact on their rapport.
He's going to work with these guys throughout training camp.
There is literally going to be no tangible difference on the field come September. I would be angry about this if I really believed that it was going to have any sort of impact on the actual football season. But every single person here knows damn well it will not.
Maybe he doesn't want to be a leader.
Snacks was asked about being a leader today and he said he's not a leader. Does that bother anyone? It doesn't bother me.
Elite players don't always have to be leaders. Fans just connect the two and expect it to happen.
There are a lot of average guys in sports who have great leadership qualities. The best players aren't always the best leaders and they don't always have to be.
Yes, it stinks he's not at OTA's, but some people in the know (including writers) say he's the hardest working guy on the team, the most respected and very highly thought of by his teammates. He wants to be great and puts in the work to do so. He wants to win just as bad if not worse than anyone on the team.
He's also under more scrutiny than any other player and in the public eye more than any other player.
I think he's unfair to say he's not a leader.
Most of the nonsense around OBJ is absurdly overblown. But there is no reason why he shouldn't be there. Inventing excuses is silly.
I mentioned on another thread I have my doubts if LT would have always shown up. Some guys are just gamers and not so much for practice. In the end if he plays like he can and keeps his head during the games I am not going to get too worked up about it.
Will Odell's absence from OTA's have any effect whatsoever on the upcoming season?
Either you can tell the truth, and say no, or you can reach far and wide to invent some half-assed reasons as to how you think it could.
Nary a peep about Olivier Vernon, who is making significantly more money than Beckham, but about 10 threads about Beckham.
No one seems to be worried that Vernon's absence will negatively effect the defense or that he's not there to offer a hand to younger guys or whatever reasons we're digging feverishly for at this point - but Beckham not being there is supposed to have some sort of team-wide drawback?
The amount of attention this topic is receiving in relation to the impact it actually has on the team is fucking absurd.
No one is going to care about this when training camp opens at the end of July and Beckham is there like everyone else.
Most of the nonsense around OBJ is absurdly overblown. But there is no reason why he shouldn't be there. Inventing excuses is silly.
"Cool dad"; I chuckled.
I've been a Beckham defender on here, but yeah, I'd just rather wish he was there. Ditto Vernon. Like..just go there and be with your teammates for a couple weeks of the off-season. It's not that hard..
Part of me would kind of love it to be honest.
This, end thread, drop the mic, go the fuck home everyone.