But, how much of that was to hear himself speak? For example, there is about a minute long clip of him showing OBJ how he would plant and cut to turn square. That's all great, but there wasn't anything to show OBJ ever had an issue. He runs great routes and has from day one.
RE: IMO it's another (concerning) sign of OBJ's immaturity
The pattern of behavior is what's different between him missing OTA's and someone like Vernon - who is locked into a contract and hasn't previously shown immaturity. The same reason it was be a bigger deal when Johny Manziel posted pictures from clubs than Victor Cruz (prior behavior).
Also important to note - the 4-5-6 years of any star's career are a pain in the ass because of contract renegotiation and franchise tag animosity. The combination of OBJ's "look at me" behavior and the reality that most big money contract renegotiations are hostile seems destined to not mix well. The Eli Mannings & Justin Tucks are few and far between.
"but why does that matter? who cares how much he gets paid?" I don't. But this event (and the boat, and not going to Duke, and everything else) provides further proof that there are other things on Odell's to do list than making sure what happened in GB never happens again. Add in the possible contract disputes/drama going forward due and it seems unlikely his career won't continue to be partially defined by distractions.
You have a very loose definition of the word proof. We are being very quick to assume a player isn't working or isn't focused on his career without knowing what this player is doing.
The most obvious sign that he has been a hard worker his whole career is that he walked into the league on day one and was highly productive, and he's been exceptional since. Not very good. Not really good. Top 3 at his position without hyperbole.
Well, that's just you. Almost every teammate, coach and people that do know, talk about how hard he works. It's actually pretty obvious that he works his ass off. I absolutely can discount everything you just said because clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. How about this. Do just a little bit of research regarding his training and how hard he works and let me know what you find.
It really isn't. Do a search for the term "work ethic" and check out all the things that are likely to be mentioned that aren't just "does something over and over again until he's really good at it."
RE: This line right here is how I feel. Well said, IMO.
I don't think that his absence is a huge negative, as much as I think his presence could be a positive.
There is nothing negative about him not being at these volunary workouts. If we were installing a new offense, I'd think differently. I also think it's important to note that you said it COULD be a positive and I guess you can make a case that it could be. However, he will be with these guys in 2-3 weeks and they will be working together for 3 months until the season starts so there will be plenty of time for him to have a positive impact.
I think this is well put. That's one thing I was trying to get across. There is a benefit to him (and everyone else) being here for any formal workouts, than there is a negative for not being here.
A lot of ya'll like to shit on Draymond Green. And I get it. But Green has worked the fuck out of his NBA career to go from a second round tweener to who many argue is the Warrior's most valuable player. You won't find a shortage of quotes and articles asserting that Green's mere presence and force of will makes shit happen on that team, from affecting the development, work ethic, and confidence of young players, to aligning the behavior of incoming HOF'ers (Durant, obviously) to fit the Warriors' system.
I can't imagine having that sort of gravity if he skipped workouts. But then, I can't imagine him skipping workouts.
Beckham actually hasn't posted anything on social media since April 18th.
But don't let that get in the way of a good rant.
Beckham still snaps under one of his accounts regularly.
It's only Instagram where he hasn't posted lately (I don't follow him, so I'm not sure if he posted stories or not) and only pops up when his boys share something.
I know absolutely nothing about Snapchat, so if he's been using it, I wouldn't know and I guess that would mean I am wrong about him not having used social media recently.
I really don't care either way. All of these guys use these apps, it's 2017.
Also important to note - the 4-5-6 years of any star's career are a pain in the ass because of contract renegotiation and franchise tag animosity. The combination of OBJ's "look at me" behavior and the reality that most big money contract renegotiations are hostile seems destined to not mix well. The Eli Mannings & Justin Tucks are few and far between.
"but why does that matter? who cares how much he gets paid?" I don't. But this event (and the boat, and not going to Duke, and everything else) provides further proof that there are other things on Odell's to do list than making sure what happened in GB never happens again. Add in the possible contract disputes/drama going forward due and it seems unlikely his career won't continue to be partially defined by distractions.
You have a very loose definition of the word proof. We are being very quick to assume a player isn't working or isn't focused on his career without knowing what this player is doing.
The most obvious sign that he has been a hard worker his whole career is that he walked into the league on day one and was highly productive, and he's been exceptional since. Not very good. Not really good. Top 3 at his position without hyperbole.
Well, that's just you. Almost every teammate, coach and people that do know, talk about how hard he works. It's actually pretty obvious that he works his ass off. I absolutely can discount everything you just said because clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. How about this. Do just a little bit of research regarding his training and how hard he works and let me know what you find.
It really isn't. Do a search for the term "work ethic" and check out all the things that are likely to be mentioned that aren't just "does something over and over again until he's really good at it."
I don't think that his absence is a huge negative, as much as I think his presence could be a positive.
Really? You agree with that? Remember, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
I don't think that his absence is a huge negative, as much as I think his presence could be a positive.
There is nothing negative about him not being at these volunary workouts. If we were installing a new offense, I'd think differently. I also think it's important to note that you said it COULD be a positive and I guess you can make a case that it could be. However, he will be with these guys in 2-3 weeks and they will be working together for 3 months until the season starts so there will be plenty of time for him to have a positive impact.
I can't imagine having that sort of gravity if he skipped workouts. But then, I can't imagine him skipping workouts.
But don't let that get in the way of a good rant.
Beckham still snaps under one of his accounts regularly.
It's only Instagram where he hasn't posted lately (I don't follow him, so I'm not sure if he posted stories or not) and only pops up when his boys share something.
I really don't care either way. All of these guys use these apps, it's 2017.