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LCtheINTMachine : 5/26/2017 12:28 pm
6. I normally don’t get bent out of shape over players skipping OTAs (they’re voluntary, after all), but this instance strikes me as odd. Odell Beckham Jr. and Olivier Vernon are noticeably absent from Giants HQ this week for the first team activities since their unceremonious Wild-Card dismissal in Green Bay. You’d think Beckham (4 catches, 28 yards in that loss) and Vernon (one tackle) would want to turn the page and get back to work ASAP.

7. I think Beckham, who signed the richest shoe deal for any individual NFL player in history with Nike this week, is a genius marketer. Next time you watch a Giants game, count how many times the camera pans to a close-up of Beckham while he’s taking his helmet off. I don’t think that’s a mistake.

Klemko takes his shots at Beckham - ( New Window )
I agree with point six  
rocco8112 : 5/26/2017 12:42 pm : link
regarding Beckham. I understand it is voluntary, but if you do not have a legitimate reason not to to be there, why would you not want to be out there starting up the new season. Working with your teammates to start the journey of hopefully winning it all. I just do not understand that part of it.

It has been brought up here that Eli and others with big contracts get paid incentives to participate. That is all fine and good and Beckham can negotiate such things when his time comes.

Finally there is injury risk. I never buy this argument because an athlete takes an injury risk every time they suit up at all. Beckham has gone out of his way to post his solo workouts while he is away from the team. Can he not get injured doing these activities? Injury risk is always there. The OTA's are clearly not meaningless, the coach wants everyone there, and I am sure if you asked Eli, he would want everyone there.

Maybe this is all much ado about nothing, but Beckham's antics here combined with many others in his stint with the Giants so far, really are starting to add up. Hopefully the Giants can win it all and make it all worth it, but if that does not happen, and he continues down the road it appears he is on, the team will have a big time decision to make when it is time to sign him long term.

LOL  
Deej : 5/26/2017 12:45 pm : link
you only agree on point 6 as to Beckham but not OV? Hater.
Where's the ripping?  
Motley Two : 5/26/2017 12:45 pm : link
Dems just facts
LC, you're the only idiot. If you can't see that it's bad form,  
Victor in CT : 5/26/2017 12:45 pm : link
especially from Beckham, after being singled out by Reese for his questionable decison making you're blind. Vernon should be there too, but at least he's smart enough not to post pics of himself with a known pariah.
I just don't agree with his logic Rocco  
Millwall_Giant : 5/26/2017 12:48 pm : link
He states that he does not normally care about players missing voluntary workouts, but somehow its worse for Beckham and Vernon, than it is for Aaron Donald or the three defensive players from the chiefs and all the other players missing the workouts throughout the league.

To me that's stupid logic. Its either important or not.

Here's where the hypocrisy/stupidity is exposed...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/26/2017 1:06 pm : link
if the Beckham criticism is because of the bad game in Green Bay, shouldn't Aaron Donald get MORE criticism considering his team hasn't come close to a "big game" (which apparently has a roving definition depending on how critical one wants to be of Odell) during his 3 year career? Instead, Aaron Donald not attending OTAs has gotten 2% of the coverage that Odell not attending has. And Aaron Donald is playing for a new head coach and a new defensive coordinator in a entirely different system.

Media guys do things for exposure and clicks. And it's crystal clear no one gets more exposure and clicks than Odell Beckham.
It's the lack of logic  
LCtheINTMachine : 5/26/2017 1:17 pm : link
that someone normally wouldn't care who reports to OTA but Beckham and Vernon are exceptions. What makes them exceptions?
RE: It's the lack of logic  
Deej : 5/26/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13483372 LCtheINTMachine said:
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that someone normally wouldn't care who reports to OTA but Beckham and Vernon are exceptions. What makes them exceptions?


The need for hot takes.
RE: Here's where the hypocrisy/stupidity is exposed...  
santacruzom : 5/26/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13483360 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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if the Beckham criticism is because of the bad game in Green Bay, shouldn't Aaron Donald get MORE criticism considering his team hasn't come close to a "big game" (which apparently has a roving definition depending on how critical one wants to be of Odell) during his 3 year career? Instead, Aaron Donald not attending OTAs has gotten 2% of the coverage that Odell not attending has. And Aaron Donald is playing for a new head coach and a new defensive coordinator in a entirely different system.


Different. Donald is doing this because he's unhappy with his contract situation. That doesn't absolve him of criticism and I'm sure Rams fans are going apeshit, but it's not entirely comparable.
Click bait  
Ron Johnson 30 : 5/26/2017 1:34 pm : link
works again
RE: RE: Here's where the hypocrisy/stupidity is exposed...  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13483387 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13483360 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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if the Beckham criticism is because of the bad game in Green Bay, shouldn't Aaron Donald get MORE criticism considering his team hasn't come close to a "big game" (which apparently has a roving definition depending on how critical one wants to be of Odell) during his 3 year career? Instead, Aaron Donald not attending OTAs has gotten 2% of the coverage that Odell not attending has. And Aaron Donald is playing for a new head coach and a new defensive coordinator in a entirely different system.



Different. Donald is doing this because he's unhappy with his contract situation. That doesn't absolve him of criticism and I'm sure Rams fans are going apeshit, but it's not entirely comparable.


Donald and Beckham were drafted the same year, same round with consecutive picks 12 and 13. Their contracts are very similar, and both have met and exceeded expectations. I bet Beckham is not at OTAs is also contract related. His salary is $1.8 million this year and $8.5 million next with the 5th year option. Donald's is $1.8 million and $6.9 million. Just a guess but I'd bet he'd rather sign a new deal and not play for the 5th year option price. Who wouldn't? A new contract would probably double that on average dollars per year.
not sure Beckham has earned respect beyond sensationalism  
mdc1 : 5/26/2017 2:00 pm : link
please show up in a playoff game and put team in a position to win big instead of suspensions, embarrassing moments and personal self-aggrandizement

Good thing is the clock is reset again this season and we need to see if he has figured out this simple concept. We have more targets now so he has to work harder or be ignored.
RE: not sure Beckham has earned respect beyond sensationalism  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13483405 mdc1 said:
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please show up in a playoff game and put team in a position to win big instead of suspensions, embarrassing moments and personal self-aggrandizement

Good thing is the clock is reset again this season and we need to see if he has figured out this simple concept. We have more targets now so he has to work harder or be ignored.


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not sure Beckham has earned respect beyond sensationalism

Really? In three years
3× Pro Bowl (2014–2016)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2015, 2016)
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2014)
What do you need him to do? Granted he has embarrassed himself and the Giants with some of his actions. But to say Beckham hasn't done anything to earn on the football field is flat out wrong.

I love how numerous people  
djm : 5/26/2017 2:12 pm : link
and it's definitely numerous that start these rants off by saying "normally I wouldn't get on a player for missing OTAs" only to proceed to get on the player(s) anyway.

Oh wait, it's a NY Giants star player? Unleash the fury...

Vernon is literally the least of our worries. Beckham is a pain in the ass at times but the OTA thing is probably 10th on my list of things that bother me about him. I just want him to work as hard as he can and play as well as he can. Same with Vernon. They both come to camp in razor sharp condition so I can't really worry here. Others can.

BEckham is far from perfect off the field. You'd like the guy to get every ounce out of his career. That's all I can say there. I don't think missing a few OTAs is a big problem but others do. Oh well.

Giants  
PaulN : 5/26/2017 2:16 pm : link
Need an escape plan, after Eli is finished, how they escape the contract and the shitshow that is OBJ. That is all this guy is, me me me me. Fuck team, just me me me. When Eli is gone and if they are stuck with this garbage, then you will see a joke of a team. Your team leader can NEVER behave like this if you want another New York Jet franchise, then fine, but not if you want to remain a New York Giant.
Wonder  
PaulN : 5/26/2017 2:18 pm : link
If he yelled I got it before he dropped that TD pass in Green Bay.
NYG fans stop buying into this fake media created hype  
chuckydee9 : 5/26/2017 2:18 pm : link
Going to Miami on your day off had no impact on the game except that media made it seem that way.. Same thing with him not showing up for OTAs... We don't know if in background he wants an extension.. it makes sense why not get the team to pay you more since you've been the team MVP since the day you stepped on the field.. Even yesterdays press conference with Ben.. If you ask him five straight questions about one player obviously he isn't going to be happy about line of questioning.. Media needs something to print and write about.. but noone would care if its OV.. on the other hand if its OBJ then they can blame the hair the popularity.. the wr culture and how america is going to hell because of the millennials..

If he didn't show up to the GB game then someone forget to tell that to the GB packers because they seemed only to be worried about him on offense.. in fact they deployed punt coverage on him at goal line.. which is only reserved for the likes of Calvin Johnson.. GB coaches must have been stupid..

Seriously some of the butt hurt giants fans are too stupid to recognize that the media is only using him to get some clicks and more conversation going.. reality is OTAs aren't going to make him better or worse.. but he may simply want more money and doesn't want to say it out loud..
Does anyone know how many players are missing from NE's OTAs?  
Tom in NY : 5/26/2017 2:18 pm : link
6....they have 84 out of 90 in attendance.

Branch, Hightower, and Gostkowski among those 6.

I'm willing to bet that across the league the numbers are fairly consistent at that rate.

Where's the expose on the other 186 players missing OTAs?

I'd be happier if Beckham was there, the obsession with the media on this has really grown to epic proportions. Ross Tucker has started his SXM show just about every morning with an update on how many OTAs OBJ has missed...national sportswriters devoting columns to it.

Let's see if he shows up for any of the last 7 sessions, and how he performs in the mini-camp/training camp/pre-season/regular season...and hopefully playoffs before we have any more meltdowns over it.
RE: Giants  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13483419 PaulN said:
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Need an escape plan, after Eli is finished, how they escape the contract and the shitshow that is OBJ. That is all this guy is, me me me me. Fuck team, just me me me. When Eli is gone and if they are stuck with this garbage, then you will see a joke of a team. Your team leader can NEVER behave like this if you want another New York Jet franchise, then fine, but not if you want to remain a New York Giant.


I think call Beckham 'garbage' goes beyond the pale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgz5-8chSlk&list=RDTgz5-8chSlk&index=1
I will say  
rocco8112 : 5/26/2017 2:32 pm : link
this concept of voluntary workouts is absurd. The season should begin on one date that is mandatory to attend.

With Beckham there is growing list of incidents and behaviors that are cause for concern. This OTA no show adds to that list. He also has a growing list of league accomplishments that have him on a Canton trajectory, and that is very good.

I do not think I am a hater, I hope Beckham is league and Super Bowl MVP if the Giants win it all. I do feel that he is becoming difficult to root for. He put out on social media he was doing football workouts with other players who are not Giants. He would rather do that than work with his QB and teammates? I just do not get it. Also, I know it was one game, but in the biggest game of his career to date he was horrific, and his party boat pic and shirtless idiocy during the week did not help anything. The best are supposed to rise up in the biggest games.





OTA are not interesting  
mdc1 : 5/26/2017 2:45 pm : link
however he has created problems for himself as a "peacock" instead of a team player flying in formation like a fighter formation or formation of birds/geese. Speaks more to organized play, team play, and role specialization. The notion that Reese had to speak with him pretty much sums it up, lets see if he listens and we get professional play without the peacock behavior.
RE: I will say  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13483438 rocco8112 said:
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this concept of voluntary workouts is absurd. The season should begin on one date that is mandatory to attend.

With Beckham there is growing list of incidents and behaviors that are cause for concern. This OTA no show adds to that list. He also has a growing list of league accomplishments that have him on a Canton trajectory, and that is very good.

I do not think I am a hater, I hope Beckham is league and Super Bowl MVP if the Giants win it all. I do feel that he is becoming difficult to root for. He put out on social media he was doing football workouts with other players who are not Giants. He would rather do that than work with his QB and teammates? I just do not get it. Also, I know it was one game, but in the biggest game of his career to date he was horrific, and his party boat pic and shirtless idiocy during the week did not help anything. The best are supposed to rise up in the biggest games.


OTAs are absurd but him not showing up adds to a growing list. That's a bit contradictory isn't it?

I think people are making way too much of this and everything Beckham. Remember that his actions, positive and negative are not a reflection of you. He has done nothing ilLegal. His work ethic is has been commended by coaches and team mates. He is a bit immature but I believe he is accepting that and trying to change (see the second Redskin game). If Dallas fans want to deride him so be it but I think the young man deserves a year or two more from us before we cast judgement.
RE: OTA are not interesting  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13483450 mdc1 said:
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however he has created problems for himself as a "peacock" instead of a team player flying in formation like a fighter formation or formation of birds/geese. Speaks more to organized play, team play, and role specialization. The notion that Reese had to speak with him pretty much sums it up, lets see if he listens and we get professional play without the peacock behavior.


Oh please. Really? A peacock?

I think you need to look around the league. I think you'll find that OBJ is not unique in acting flamboyantly. And after you see that other players do similar thing you should consider either changing your viewpoint, stop watching sports or admit that your are swimming against the tide.
some of you are the biggest crybabies, I swear  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2017 3:13 pm : link
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RE: Giants  
djm : 5/26/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13483419 PaulN said:
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Need an escape plan, after Eli is finished, how they escape the contract and the shitshow that is OBJ. That is all this guy is, me me me me. Fuck team, just me me me. When Eli is gone and if they are stuck with this garbage, then you will see a joke of a team. Your team leader can NEVER behave like this if you want another New York Jet franchise, then fine, but not if you want to remain a New York Giant.


Well that's a pretty ridiculous take on things. Shit show? When you say shit show you mean top 3 WR since putting on the pads, right?

BEckham needs to mature a bit but the guy's a special player. This isn't an underachieving mess we are talking about.

Well someone  
rocco8112 : 5/26/2017 3:21 pm : link
on this site said OTA's create a "false loyalty test" or something like that. I think that is a good point. I always come back to intrinsic motivation.



Why would you not want to be out there working with your teammates. He was catching footballs from Manziel when his QB was working out with his WR teammates elsewhere? I can not get my head around that. Assuming you actually believe that the team is paramount.

Also, his season ended brutally. I mean the excuses are made left and right. But, the boat trip and the associated social media pictures was stupid and a distraction. This was compounded by the shirtless warm-up which is immature and led to his first playoff game performance where he was LVP. Why would you not want to put it all behind you and start up the new season? I would think you would have to be chained to the ground to not show up.


RE: Well someone  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13483477 rocco8112 said:
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on this site said OTA's create a "false loyalty test" or something like that. I think that is a good point. I always come back to intrinsic motivation.



Why would you not want to be out there working with your teammates. He was catching footballs from Manziel when his QB was working out with his WR teammates elsewhere? I can not get my head around that. Assuming you actually believe that the team is paramount.

Also, his season ended brutally. I mean the excuses are made left and right. But, the boat trip and the associated social media pictures was stupid and a distraction. This was compounded by the shirtless warm-up which is immature and led to his first playoff game performance where he was LVP. Why would you not want to put it all behind you and start up the new season? I would think you would have to be chained to the ground to not show up.



OBJ is not the only player not attending OTAs, why are you not calling them out? Harry Carson went shirtless before a playoff game, was he immature? Other players do similar things why is it that OBJ seems like the only one that causes people angst?

Rocco, how much does OBJ gain  
David in LA : 5/26/2017 3:40 pm : link
if he blows out a knee or gets an injury that lasts through training camp? The optics look bad, but he's out working with one of the most respected trainers in the NFL, and reaching out to guys like Cris Carter on how to improve.
Finally , some sense  
grizz299 : 5/26/2017 5:02 pm : link

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Maybe this is all much ado about nothing, but Beckham's antics here combined with many others in his stint with the Giants so far, really are starting to add up. Hopefully the Giants can win it all and make it all worth it, but if that does not happen, and he continues down the road it appears he is on, the team will have a big time decision to make when it is time to sign him long term.

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I do not think I am a hater, I hope Beckham is league and Super Bowl MVP if the Giants win it all. I do feel that he is becoming difficult to root for. He put out on social media he was doing football workouts with other players who are not Giants. He would rather do that than work with his QB and teammates? I just do not get it. Also, I know it was one game, but in the biggest game of his career to date he was horrific, and his party boat pic and shirtless idiocy during the week did not help anything. The best are supposed to rise up in the biggest games.


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why would you not want to be out there working with your teammates. He was catching footballs from Manziel when his QB was working out with his WR teammates elsewhere? I can not get my head around that. Assuming you actually believe that the team is paramount.

Also, his season ended brutally. I mean the excuses are made left and right. But, the boat trip and the associated social media pictures was stupid and a distraction. This was compounded by the shirtless warm-up which is immature and led to his first playoff game performance where he was LVP. Why would you not want to put it all behind you and start up the new season? I would think you would have to be chained to the ground to not show up.

His coaches felt it was important enough to dominate a press conference yesterday.
If he wants to re-negotiate his contract he is likely to have the opposite effect. And for the first time I think maybe we don't re-sign this remarkable talent. Maybe Marshall and the Ebram mean that a no.1 pick and all the players this guy's estimate 20 million per year can provide makes sense.
RE: Rocco, how much does OBJ gain  
rocco8112 : 5/26/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13483483 David in LA said:
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if he blows out a knee or gets an injury that lasts through training camp? The optics look bad, but he's out working with one of the most respected trainers in the NFL, and reaching out to guys like Cris Carter on how to improve.


There is risk of injury anytime he takes the field. There is risk of injury with his private workouts.

I do not see risk of injury as a viable reason. His teammates are out there playing. Although, it is easy for me to say I do not have millions on the line. Sure wish I was even in position to make the choice.
RE: Finally , some sense  
therealmf : 5/26/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13483538 grizz299 said:
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Maybe this is all much ado about nothing, but Beckham's antics here combined with many others in his stint with the Giants so far, really are starting to add up. Hopefully the Giants can win it all and make it all worth it, but if that does not happen, and he continues down the road it appears he is on, the team will have a big time decision to make when it is time to sign him long term.




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I do not think I am a hater, I hope Beckham is league and Super Bowl MVP if the Giants win it all. I do feel that he is becoming difficult to root for. He put out on social media he was doing football workouts with other players who are not Giants. He would rather do that than work with his QB and teammates? I just do not get it. Also, I know it was one game, but in the biggest game of his career to date he was horrific, and his party boat pic and shirtless idiocy during the week did not help anything. The best are supposed to rise up in the biggest games.





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why would you not want to be out there working with your teammates. He was catching footballs from Manziel when his QB was working out with his WR teammates elsewhere? I can not get my head around that. Assuming you actually believe that the team is paramount.

Also, his season ended brutally. I mean the excuses are made left and right. But, the boat trip and the associated social media pictures was stupid and a distraction. This was compounded by the shirtless warm-up which is immature and led to his first playoff game performance where he was LVP. Why would you not want to put it all behind you and start up the new season? I would think you would have to be chained to the ground to not show up.


His coaches felt it was important enough to dominate a press conference yesterday.
If he wants to re-negotiate his contract he is likely to have the opposite effect. And for the first time I think maybe we don't re-sign this remarkable talent. Maybe Marshall and the Ebram mean that a no.1 pick and all the players this guy's estimate 20 million per year can provide makes sense.


I saw two questions each with two followups asked to McAdoo in the transcript Eric posted on the forum yesterday. One included OV in the question. Both were questions asked to McAdoo not something he started. Is there more than this? It is the only coaches transcript I saw. If not I would not call that dominating.
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=553192

As far as the contract is concerned, there is a long list of players that have held out of training camp not just OTAs to force an organization to consider a new contract. It is a common tactic for players as they have no other leverage. In fact Aaron Donald is doing it now. If this, and all past incidents, make the Giants refuse a second contract to Beckham they would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
RE: Giants  
chopperhatch : 5/26/2017 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13483419 PaulN said:
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Need an escape plan, after Eli is finished, how they escape the contract and the shitshow that is OBJ. That is all this guy is, me me me me. Fuck team, just me me me. When Eli is gone and if they are stuck with this garbage, then you will see a joke of a team. Your team leader can NEVER behave like this if you want another New York Jet franchise, then fine, but not if you want to remain a New York Giant.


More unbridled genius from you Paul. Par for the course. ::face palm::
Other to stars miss OTAs too  
djm : 5/26/2017 8:54 pm : link
You Wouldn't know it though.
RE: Giants  
BigBlueShock : 5/26/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13483419 PaulN said:
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Need an escape plan, after Eli is finished, how they escape the contract and the shitshow that is OBJ. That is all this guy is, me me me me. Fuck team, just me me me. When Eli is gone and if they are stuck with this garbage, then you will see a joke of a team. Your team leader can NEVER behave like this if you want another New York Jet franchise, then fine, but not if you want to remain a New York Giant.

I sure wish we could get a snapshot of your pathetic ass life. Beckham is world class at his craft. Has had more success in life than you would have in 100 lifetimes. So who's the shitshow? The man that has performed better in the first 3seasons than almost anyone in the history of the game, or your sorry excuse of a miserable human being? I'm guessing you couldn't boil water without fucking it all up, yet Beckham is garbage. Haha, classic.

Nothing better than a bunch of failures on an internet site ripping to shreds a man that is at the top of the world at the age of 24. What were you shit stains doing at 24? Still sucking on mommies titties?
Oh for crying out loud  
djm : 5/27/2017 6:18 pm : link
The giants didn't feel the need to talk about the odell ota crap the press did.
As long as they are voluntary  
djstat : 5/28/2017 9:31 am : link
I don't care that he is not there. Let's others get reps with Eli. The owners are fools for not pushing for mandatory off season attendance. The players have been off since Janauaru. Why is a 4 month window not sufficient time off before the teams can say "You must be here". I know it is part of the CBA.

That said as long as OV and OBJ show up for manadatory work this is much a do about nothing.
Paul being Paul  
MetsAreBack : 5/30/2017 12:18 pm : link
we get these insights all year long on Rangers threads too. Every time I read his posts I get these visions in my head:





Anyway, when Eli retires OBJ will be the least of our issues... it may make sense to trade him for a shitload of draft picks at that time of course, but that's a far different spin than how grumpy old man put it above.
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