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| WHAT DOESN'T [MATTER DURING OTA SEASON] Veterans skipping work: Feel free to think less of the next sportscaster or writer who says a player is "holding out" of voluntary offseason practices in shorts. It would be like "holding out" of bowling night with your co-workers, if you had previously negotiated your right to do so. (Feel free to think less of me after making that analogy.) It doesn't matter that Odell Beckham Jr. has missed a few days of OTAs while signing a record-setting deal with Nike that essentially makes the Giants his secondary employer. It doesn't matter that Trent Williams and Jordan Reed are working out away from the Redskins... |
Came up short. Did the same at the home game with Washington. Dude drops passes in big moments. Have him. He is all yours.
Does that mean you'll go away? Because that would be quite the added benefit.
camp. He will be ready when the lights come on. Everyone needs to chillout....
Come on Jake. Criminally underpaid? Who knew he would outperform his contract? I hate when people use that argument. It is inappropriate. Some folks on here like to use the LT analogy but that's also misplaced. Let's be honest here. When has ODB ever "taken over" a game? Now please don't confuse that with making big plays because he obviously has but LT took over games AND made big plays. He dominated and always came up big when it counted. You just can't say that about ODB with regularity
But it doesn't look good. Why is Odell under a microscope? Let's be honest. He craves the attention. He loves his pre-game one-handed show. He likes to wear crazy stuff. Whether due to a lack of maturity or attention, he has had a number of on-field and off-field incidents that would garner attention.
So now he's a marked man. When you are a marked man, you either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put out the flames. He's choosing the former.
This!!!
[quote] love Russia. If Odell was about winning, he would be a leader and he would be at the OTA even though he has every right not to be there. [/quot
Spoken like a true liberal
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Well, who gives a damn about the optics? Obviously not Odell Beckham, Jr., and why should he? He's not running for office.
Klaatu, bad optics is what causes threads like this, calls into sports radio shows, and hysteria on ESPN.
Threads like this are why you keep me around, but, come on, Eric...calls into sports radio shows? Hysteria on ESPN? Again I say who gives a damn? All of that doesn't amount to a spit in the ocean. Bad optics don't win or lose games, and if good optics actually mattered, Eli would have six rings already.
Or, you could say that some of us have become like Democrats - willing to forgive any transgression, no matter how heinous, as long as our side wins.
But let's face it, neither OBJ nor the Hillary showed up in Wisconsin, to the detriment of both their sides.
I'll still lay odds, though, that OBJ gets to the White House before Hillary ever gets near it again, and that's a good thing.
Having a hard time figuring out what this is supposed to mean. This is word salad.
1) Antonio Brown - 17 million
2) Julio Jones - 14.3 mil
3) Odell Beckham Jr. - 3.3 mil
4) Dez Bryant - 14 mil
5) AJ Green - 15 mil
6) Larry Fitzgerald - 11 mil
7) DeAndre Hopkins - 7.9 mil
8) Jordy Nelson - 11.5
9) Doug Baldwin - 11.5 mil
10) Alshon Jefferey - 9.5 mil
Odell's production over the last three seasons is equal to or better than any of these players. Odell has to wait his turn to get his long term deal, but I think you can say that he is criminally underpaid compared to his production.
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
Rookie contracts for 1st rounders took a serious hit when the current CBA was put in place. And I love these arguments that the PA agreed to this and that, and it is the PA to blame that practices were cut back for the teams. That was all they could get in the bargaining. They wanted the revenue split to stay the same, but they couldnt get that. They wanted to keep rookie contracts as they were, but they lost that too. The owners kicked the PA'a ass in those negotiations because the players had next to no leverage. The PA couldnt sit out a year to get what we wanted. That was not an option, so the owners got pretty much everything they wanted. The lighter practice schedule was something the PA could go back to their players with and say: at least we got something. So yea, the PA signed the CBA which included a structuring of rookie salaries, that was a big time pay cut, but again, they had no choice, other than to sit out a season, and that wasnt happening. So rookie contracts are rookie contracts, but the 5th year option is just fucked up, especially for a player like OBJ. Another way owners can keep players from pay days.
I fully support his desire for a contract extension if that is his reason for missing OTA's. But I don't support him making a big show of the fact that he isn't there. And don't blame the media/fans for that, because he's fueling it. If he just stayed off social media he would be getting the same treatment that Vernon is getting.
p.s.--On the other hand, all the attention he is receiving has distracted from the fact that the Giants did not make Eli available for a Q&A following OTA's.
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Which is subject to NFL union standards?
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
Rookie contracts for 1st rounders took a serious hit when the current CBA was put in place. And I love these arguments that the PA agreed to this and that, and it is the PA to blame that practices were cut back for the teams. That was all they could get in the bargaining. They wanted the revenue split to stay the same, but they couldnt get that. They wanted to keep rookie contracts as they were, but they lost that too. The owners kicked the PA'a ass in those negotiations because the players had next to no leverage. The PA couldnt sit out a year to get what we wanted. That was not an option, so the owners got pretty much everything they wanted. The lighter practice schedule was something the PA could go back to their players with and say: at least we got something. So yea, the PA signed the CBA which included a structuring of rookie salaries, that was a big time pay cut, but again, they had no choice, other than to sit out a season, and that wasnt happening. So rookie contracts are rookie contracts, but the 5th year option is just fucked up, especially for a player like OBJ. Another way owners can keep players from pay days.
Well done. And if I recall correctly the veteran players were the ones pushing the negotiations for the new CBA to limit rookie contracts so they could have the bigger piece of the cap pie.
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In comment 13484102 Shirk130 said:
[quote] love Russia. If Odell was about winning, he would be a leader and he would be at the OTA even though he has every right not to be there. [/quot
Spoken like a true liberal
of course that's your answer so you can ignore the issues. Btw, I'm a lifelong Republican who voted for GWB 2x so you'll need to find a different insult.
I fully support his desire for a contract extension if that is his reason for missing OTA's. But I don't support him making a big show of the fact that he isn't there. And don't blame the media/fans for that, because he's fueling it. If he just stayed off social media he would be getting the same treatment that Vernon is getting.
p.s.--On the other hand, all the attention he is receiving has distracted from the fact that the Giants did not make Eli available for a Q&A following OTA's.
Well, pardon me, Milton, but OBJ doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation for his absence from the OTAs. They're voluntary. He doesn't have to attend and he doesn't have give a reason for that. When OBJ is required to be in attendance, I have no doubt he will be, in great shape, ready to work.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
As far as him owing me an explanation, he doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything.
At the same time, for our amusement and gratification, many of us think he should benefit the Giants and join his generally fully paid teammates, for the good of the team. But the option is his, and he chooses not to. He has the contractual right. The Giants, could amend his current rookie contract, extend it and pay him something more equivalent to his real and true value. But they choose not to. They have the contractual right. Those of you on BBI who think that OBJ should voluntarily attend the OTAs for the good of the team should send him $15 million or so.
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Well, pardon me, Milton, but OBJ doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation for his absence from the OTAs. They're voluntary. He doesn't have to attend and he doesn't have give a reason for that. When OBJ is required to be in attendance, I have no doubt he will be, in great shape, ready to work.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
First of all, spare me the juvenile insults. Second of all, I have no idea who Emlen's Gremlins are and the same goes for the Dolan twins. Third of all, OBJ is an adult and the choices he makes are a reflection on who he is and what's important to him. As I've said repeatedly, if he is staying away because he wants a contract extension, that is a business decision which is standard operating procedure and I would imagine his teammates are understanding/supportive. If he is staying away simply because he prefers to work out in California or wherever the hell he is, then in my mind that shows disrespect to the 87 teammates who made the effort to be there. And it makes him a hypocrite and a phony.
As far as him owing me an explanation, he doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything.
Jesus, you sound like a jilted lover (and if that's another juvenile insult, then so be it). How does OBJ skipping voluntary workouts make him a hypocrite and a phony? And does the same hold true for any other pro football player skipping his team's OTAs? Is Justin Houston a hypocrite and a phony, too? How about Fletcher Cox or Dont'a Hightower? Are both of them hypocrites and phonies, too? Is Earl Thomas disrespecting his teammates by skipping an OTA or two? Did DeSean Jackson's teammates feel disrespected by his absences? I doubt it, just as I doubt that any Giants players feel disrespected by OBJ's absence...or Olivier Vernon's.
It seems to me that the only people making a big stink about OBJ skipping the OTAs are press people looking for a story and butthurt fans who expect OBJ to live up to some nebulous standard of camaraderie that exists solely in their own minds.
And yeah, the "jilted lover" remark is what I mean by juvenile insults. It's immature and doesn't add to the discussion or help you make a point. If anything, you're the one who is getting all worked up over this as if it's personal.
The fact is that OBJ has been working out on his own with highly respected trainers and a HOF WR. It's not like he's been out drinking or doing drugs or dancing until the wee hours of the morning or whatever (I'm sure if he were, we'd know about it). It seems to me that he's doing everything he can to prepare his body for the upcoming season, and if that means skipping a couple of days of playing catch with Eli in New Jersey, in May, so be it. After three years and 288 receptions for 4,122 yards with 35 TDs, I seriously doubt that will have an adverse effect on their timing.
So, you're pissed because OBJ hasn't come out and said that he's skipping the OTAs because he wants a new contract. Well, tough. For all we know his people have been in contact with the Giants about a new contract, but, honestly, I don't care if they have or they haven't. All I care about is that OBJ shows up when he's supposed to and plays the game to the best of his abilities. And yes, I do get worked up about it, especially when I read some of the crap written here about OBJ...calling him a baby, selfish, etc., advocating that he be traded ASAP. There's a standard applied to the guy that isn't applied to any other NFL player and that's the the thing that gets my blood boiling.
How is it personal on my part? Passionate, absolutely, as with most things related to the Giants. Personal, no, not at all. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference, and if you can, but you simply choose to play the role of poor-poster-persecuted-for-your-opinions, well, that's on you, not me.
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
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And I'm not pissed at OBJ, I'm just offering up my opinion on the the current topic on BBI. Why it's so personal to you is beyond me.
How is it personal on my part? Passionate, absolutely, as with most things related to the Giants. Personal, no, not at all. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference, and if you can, but you simply choose to play the role of poor-poster-persecuted-for-your-opinions, well, that's on you, not me.
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
Though I doubt he's even noticed or cares, I haven't addressed Milton even once since his personal nasty attacks of several years ago and never plan to..So about personal stuff, it's kettle...
Though I doubt he's even noticed or cares, I haven't addressed Milton even once since his personal nasty attacks of several years ago and never plan to..So about personal stuff, it's kettle...
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
Well, he's certainly not constrained from signing a mutually agreeable extension..
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
People choose to defend him because a lot of the arguments used are inaccurate accusations and other arguments are fans who are projecting their own feelings as facts. Your post is a good example of inaccuracies.
He didn't "communicate his partying to the world" Go back and look at the facts of how the photo made it to the internet, and then look at who posted it.
Moreover, he's been at every mandatory practice. For his entire career. And he's been at the facility during this offseason. Fans claim to be so concerned about the team, but they sure aren't listening to the team when they respond to questions about this. They're all confident in his work ethic because they've already seen it. He's already been working out with Marshall. Brandon said so himself. I don't understand why we're so eager to undersell his incredible career to this point and "yeah but.." his consistent top-3 excellence over something so unimportant.
Then there's concerns about the "optics" of it. If you care enough about what gets printed in the newspaper, care a little bit more and do your own work here, and you can easily see that quite a lot of this is fluffed up nonsense, that players around the league don't go to voluntary activities, that prominent Giants players just last season didn't go to voluntary activities, and that it was entirely forgotten almost immediately.
It's easy to eat up what gets posted on page six about his personal life and react out of hand. It's a little harder to do some critical thinking or consider that just maybe he already is an incredibly hardworking player, and the sum of his career up to now bears that out. Based on what he's been able to accomplish on a football field in three years, it warrants a whole hell of a lot more respect than to be overlooked because of touchdown dances,who he's currently dating, or complaining that he isn't sleeping at the foot of Eli Manning's bed in late May.
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I want the team to have winning seasons which lead to playoff appearances and championships. That and a love of watching this sport is what keeps a fan coming back year after year.
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
People choose to defend him because a lot of the arguments used are inaccurate accusations and other arguments are fans who are projecting their own feelings as facts. Your post is a good example of inaccuracies.
He didn't "communicate his partying to the world" Go back and look at the facts of how the photo made it to the internet, and then look at who posted it.
Moreover, he's been at every mandatory practice. For his entire career. And he's been at the facility during this offseason. Fans claim to be so concerned about the team, but they sure aren't listening to the team when they respond to questions about this. They're all confident in his work ethic because they've already seen it. He's already been working out with Marshall. Brandon said so himself. I don't understand why we're so eager to undersell his incredible career to this point and "yeah but.." his consistent top-3 excellence over something so unimportant.
Then there's concerns about the "optics" of it. If you care enough about what gets printed in the newspaper, care a little bit more and do your own work here, and you can easily see that quite a lot of this is fluffed up nonsense, that players around the league don't go to voluntary activities, that prominent Giants players just last season didn't go to voluntary activities, and that it was entirely forgotten almost immediately.
It's easy to eat up what gets posted on page six about his personal life and react out of hand. It's a little harder to do some critical thinking or consider that just maybe he already is an incredibly hardworking player, and the sum of his career up to now bears that out. Based on what he's been able to accomplish on a football field in three years, it warrants a whole hell of a lot more respect than to be overlooked because of touchdown dances,who he's currently dating, or complaining that he isn't sleeping at the foot of Eli Manning's bed in late May.
Well, I will not claim to know the intricacies of how things go out on social media. I may be the last guy out there without a Facebook account at all. I do find it hard to believe that he has nothing to do with all of this stuff coming out on social media. I think he is the driving force behind it. Why re-tweet something about him listening to the HC though? That seems a dick move to me.
Just concerning to me as a Giants fan.
Came up short. Did the same at the home game with Washington. Dude drops passes in big moments. Have him. He is all yours.
Beckham "comes up short" once or twice a year and comes up huge every other week. Simple question is Beckham an elite player? If you answer no you're lost.
Why do I even bother.
And, yes he is a distraction, but not a huge one yet.
How do you know he's a distraction? Because the media says he is or that word is thrown around in a PC?
How the fuck does a player's "antics" distract a team from playing a game??!! I've asked this question for years on here without an answer. How?
Seriously, how??? If Eli has to answer a question or two about beckham's shit smell does it really hinder his ability to play????
"Distraction" is the most overused and incorrectly used terms in football.
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If you don't think it burns his ass that Brown is making 5 times what he is and Dez 4 times then you don't get human psychology. And from OBJ's perspective it doesn't matter if it's the owners or the NFLPA that's screwing him = all he knows is he's getting tons less than comparable players. Not surprising that he seeks to make it up with off the field $$. And a little controversy now and again helps in that regard.
Well, he's certainly not constrained from signing a mutually agreeable extension..
Who exactly are these cheerleaders and hanger ons? His speed trainer? Johnny Manziel who works with his trainer? People that concern themselves with this type of stuff seem to have amnesia with super stars that have held out in the past.
BOOM - ( New Window )
Sound logic.
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Well, who gives a damn about the optics? Obviously not Odell Beckham, Jr., and why should he? He's not running for office.
Klaatu, bad optics is what causes threads like this, calls into sports radio shows, and hysteria on ESPN.
FMIC and Ghost both went racial and unnecessarily mean spirited. There is absolutely no upside to that kind of conversation. At some point someone has to be mature. Why was this allowed to go on?
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
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Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
Your conclusions about me are poorly supported, unfair, and just plain inaccurate.
Sez you.
Sound logic.
That's essentially what I mean by "distraction" being mostly fan fiction to fit a narrative.
Well then, we can all breathe a sigh of relief that you're not OBJ's agent.
Wait...not all of us.
I'm sure Go Terps would like to hear that. Anything to force the Giants to trade the kid.
Sell high, baby!