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| WHAT DOESN'T [MATTER DURING OTA SEASON] Veterans skipping work: Feel free to think less of the next sportscaster or writer who says a player is "holding out" of voluntary offseason practices in shorts. It would be like "holding out" of bowling night with your co-workers, if you had previously negotiated your right to do so. (Feel free to think less of me after making that analogy.) It doesn't matter that Odell Beckham Jr. has missed a few days of OTAs while signing a record-setting deal with Nike that essentially makes the Giants his secondary employer. It doesn't matter that Trent Williams and Jordan Reed are working out away from the Redskins... |
And Iggy Azalea's twerking looks like a old man with arthritis. She looks stiff, as hell.
And Iggy Azalea's twerking looks like a old man with arthritis. She looks stiff, as hell.
“Jealousy is an ugly thing. It makes you hate someone that you barely know. And to make it worst, you're the one who gets hurt, not that 'Someone'.”
― Nurilla Iryani, Dear Friend With Love.
He's a cunt.
You have to work two fucking jobs and still get this fucking worked up over meaningless shit? I'm pretty sure I know why 1 job won't cut it.
You have to work two fucking jobs and still get this fucking worked up over meaningless shit? I'm pretty sure I know why 1 job won't cut it.
Whatevs, old man. I'm not the only one who feels like this. He's a distraction. Like you.
Easy, asswipe. My wife is West Indian. Easy to be a keyboard warrior. Your mouth wouldn't that slick if I was in front of you. You do this a lot. Internet tough guy. I'd wear your bitch ass out. Quick. I hope we meet one day. You'll see.
He's a cunt.
I don't care if he's a cunt.
I don't care who he hangs out with.
I don't care if he's straight, gay, bi, tri, or whatever.
He gets paid to play football, and he plays it better than just about anyone else in the league. That's all that matters to me. Not showing up to a voluntary workout doesn't. When it's mandatory...when he's contractually obligated to be there...I have no doubt that he'll be there, in tremendous shape, ready to work.
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I've got mine. Jealous? Not.
He's a cunt.
I don't care if he's a cunt.
I don't care who he hangs out with.
I don't care if he's straight, gay, bi, tri, or whatever.
He gets paid to play football, and he plays it better than just about anyone else in the league. That's all that matters to me. Not showing up to a voluntary workout doesn't. When it's mandatory...when he's contractually obligated to be there...I have no doubt that he'll be there, in tremendous shape, ready to work.
Like in Green Bay, riiiiiiight?
Came up short. Did the same at the home game with Washington. Dude drops passes in big moments. Have him. He is all yours.
Oh, and did you watch Eli in his lone playoff game in 2005. Putrid.
Newsflash: Aaron Rodgers shredded our defense.
Newsflash: Aaron Rodgers shredded our defense.
Did I mention Florida? Nope.
So have I insulted a West Indian by insinuating Jamaicans are more industrious?
Me thinks you need a 3rd job so you don't spend so much time focusing on "sweet boy hair".
Maybe becoming a hair braider? I heard West Indian's are good at that shit.
Newsflash: Aaron Rodgers shredded our defense.
And after we failed to score early which would have put the pressure on Rodgers.
vernon is not showing up and he has incentive to be there...
there is no incentive for beckham to be there...
look at all the "superstars" not shpwing up to otas, these guys are not going to risk injury, they get hurt they get nothing
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Easy, asswipe. My wife is West Indian
So have I insulted a West Indian by insinuating Jamaicans are more industrious?
Me thinks you need a 3rd job so you don't spend so much time focusing on "sweet boy hair".
Maybe becoming a hair braider? I heard West Indian's are good at that shit.
You're so white its not funny. And I'm sure that's what you meant. You're a piece of shit, Fatman. Have been for some time here.
vernon is not showing up and he has incentive to be there...
there is no incentive for beckham to be there...
look at all the "superstars" not shpwing up to otas, these guys are not going to risk injury, they get hurt they get nothing
He doesn't have to work out or even show. I'm not saying he had to be there. But don't be a cunt about it.
Yeah, yeah. Tree jobs. Haha. I'm sure you see us all in that light.
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lol
Thread-o-gold.
I pretty much see you as a fucking moron.
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Thread-o-gold.
Minorities. I'm sure fat guy has a lot of us as 'associates'.
And you call someone else a racist?
My wife is a "minority" and I think you're an idiot.
And you call someone else a racist?
My wife is a "minority" and I think you're an idiot.
No. I referred to her as wife first.
This thread is starting to smell like pussy. Have at it, bitches.
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You brought up working a boat load of jobs so your West Indian wife can stay home with your toddler.
And you call someone else a racist?
My wife is a "minority" and I think you're an idiot.
No. I referred to her as wife first.
This thread is starting to smell like pussy. Have at it, bitches.
Whose fault is that? You should have stayed in your own thread and left this one alone.
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Worst I see you being labeled? A fucking idiot.
Have fun hanging with your veteran brothers.
He has many of the same traits as my all time favorite Giant, LT!
Many Giants are captains in college, team first guys, high character guys. Not everyone on a team should wear white hats.
Is it big news outside of Kansas City that Justin Houston and Marcus Peters and Eric Berry have skipped OTAs? Of course not (just like no one's worried about Olivier Vernon skipping them, either). They're not transcendent figures like OBJ. I guess if they were, they'd have their own shoe deals.
Is it big news outside of Kansas City that Justin Houston and Marcus Peters and Eric Berry have skipped OTAs? Of course not (just like no one's worried about Olivier Vernon skipping them, either). They're not transcendent figures like OBJ. I guess if they were, they'd have their own shoe deals.
Agreed with both getting back to the point of the thread and your central point. OBJ is a lightening rod one way or the other.
That said, rolling out Cris Carter as your spokesman is bad optics. In fact, it's almost as if Beckham is trying to create headlines. He's acting like a spoiled little bitch.
[quote]Is Odell Beckham a money player in the playoffs?/quote]
The answer was a resounding "no" in his first opportunity. He should be showing a bit more humility until he wipes out that memory. We Giants fans know you only get so many chances at the ring.
If we had a new coach, QB, or offensive coordinator, this would be a little more important.
You have to work two fucking jobs and still get this fucking worked up over meaningless shit? I'm pretty sure I know why 1 job won't cut it.
Now look who is worked up
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I've got mine. Jealous? Not.
He's a cunt.
I don't care if he's a cunt.
I don't care who he hangs out with.
I don't care if he's straight, gay, bi, tri, or whatever.
He gets paid to play football, and he plays it better than just about anyone else in the league. That's all that matters to me. Not showing up to a voluntary workout doesn't. When it's mandatory...when he's contractually obligated to be there...I have no doubt that he'll be there, in tremendous shape, ready to work.
Unless he gets a DWI or is accused of sexual assault
That being said, calling that dude a fucking idiot really doesn't raise the blood pressure.
Oh, and did you watch Eli in his lone playoff game in 2005. Putrid.
The difference is that Rice and Eli were NEVER a distraction to their team. That's the point
I'll defend FMiC as well. On what grounds I can't really say but internet fights are fun!
Eric is right about Odell acting like a bitch. I don't care that he skips OTAs one bit but if you don't see that Odell isn't a bitch that the rest of the league likes to whoop up on, I don't know what to tell you.
But the attention drives $$$. He knows that.
I don't care if he's a cunt.
I don't care who he hangs out with.
I don't care if he's straight, gay, bi, tri, or whatever.
He gets paid to play football, and he plays it better than just about anyone else in the league. That's all that matters to me. Not showing up to a voluntary workout doesn't. When it's mandatory...when he's contractually obligated to be there...I have no doubt that he'll be there, in tremendous shape, ready to work.
Unless he gets a DWI or is accused of sexual assault
A DWI? Sexual assault? Is there anything in his history that leads you to believe that either one is a real possibility?
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I think that was his second year in the league. Should the 49ers have gotten rid of him after that?
Oh, and did you watch Eli in his lone playoff game in 2005. Putrid.
The difference is that Rice and Eli were NEVER a distraction to their team. That's the point
Who's to say that OBJ is a distraction to his team? Certainly not his teammates. It seems to me that the only people "distracted" are the media and the fans.
But the attention drives $$$. He knows that.
It's a brave new world. Might as well get used to it.
And, yes he is a distraction, but not a huge one yet.
That said, rolling out Cris Carter as your spokesman is bad optics. In fact, it's almost as if Beckham is trying to create headlines. He's acting like a spoiled little bitch.
Except that OBJ didn't roll out anybody. He didn't know that Nick Wright was going to show up, and he had to be persuaded to let him film the workouts. Now, Carter and Wright have their own radio show, and I'm sure that OBJ skipping the OTAs was a topic of conversation, but it's not like Beckham was booking Carter and Wright on the other FS1 programs.
This "controversy" is entirely a media creation, regardless of whether OBJ is, at times, his own worst enemy.
And there are plenty of days that Olivier Vernon can work out in Florida, but nobody gives a damn about that. Nobody's discussing Vernon's absence from the OTAs on ESPN or FS1 or anywhere else. Why is Beckham singled out?
I won't begrudge a player for getting all of the $$$ he wants.
But there is a price. We fans remember championships and playoff wins. That's where true legacy comes from.
Right now, I don't think football is the most important thing in Odell's life. Can he turn it on when he needs to do so? He didn't in the playoffs.
LT half-assed it and was good enough to still excel. (But he probably never reached his true potential either... he never lifted weights until at the end of his career for example).
Beckham may have as few as two or three playoff appearances in his career. He had better be ready.
When it comes time to talk money, management is not going to factor in his OTA attendance record. And Coaches are not going to be so "pissed" that they would rather not have him on the field.
The post, by NewsOne Now managing editor Roland Martin, said: “I’m sick of folks acting like star athletes must always do what a coach asks. McAdoo wants @OBJ_3 at workouts? See ya when it’s mandatory.”
He's also publicizing stuff like his "workouts" with Manziel. Did Carter have Odell's blessing to mouth off yesterday? Who knows?
Again, it's generating $$$.
But he is also reaping what he sows.
He wants it both ways.
Hakeem Nicks' 2011 playoff performance was stunning.
As far as the Roland Martin tweet goes, Martin does have a point. OBJ is under no obligation to show up for a voluntary workout.
Considering all of the crap that OBJ is taking (from the likes of Ross Tucker and others), I think a retweet of one comment supporting him is fine.
And there are plenty of days that Olivier Vernon can work out in Florida, but nobody gives a damn about that. Nobody's discussing Vernon's absence from the OTAs on ESPN or FS1 or anywhere else. Why is Beckham singled out?
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I don't care if he's a cunt.
I don't care who he hangs out with.
I don't care if he's straight, gay, bi, tri, or whatever.
He gets paid to play football, and he plays it better than just about anyone else in the league. That's all that matters to me. Not showing up to a voluntary workout doesn't. When it's mandatory...when he's contractually obligated to be there...I have no doubt that he'll be there, in tremendous shape, ready to work.
Unless he gets a DWI or is accused of sexual assault
A DWI? Sexual assault? Is there anything in his history that leads you to believe that either one is a real possibility?
While there is nothing in his history to suggest this as a possibility, he can be an easy target by some women who want to make a lot of money. He has to careful that he doesn't get setup and wrongly accused for a sexual assault.
This whole optics thing is so strange to me. Why does Beckham or any other athlete have to make sure what they are doing is ok by the fans? Outside of truly belligerent behavior what difference does it make if Beckham posts a pic on Instagram hanging out with Drake at 10pm on a Friday night? If he doesn't post that pic does that mean hanging out with Drake didn't happen?
Again, I can't stand social media but using it as a way to discredit or undermine the work ethic of a player is bogus IMO.
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And there are plenty of days that Olivier Vernon can work out in Florida, but nobody gives a damn about that. Nobody's discussing Vernon's absence from the OTAs on ESPN or FS1 or anywhere else. Why is Beckham singled out?
At least Vernon has the good sense to stay off social media. Has there been any word from him on why he is skipping OTA's?
No, and it doesn't matter. They're voluntary. No one has to have a reason for not attending. Not the Chiefs players I mentioned...not Eagles' players like Jason Peters and Fletcher Cox.
The only difference is that OBJ gets all of the bad publicity. No one's writing stories on PFT about Justin Houston or Fletcher Cox, but OBJ? All day, every day.
A DWI? Sexual assault? Is there anything in his history that leads you to believe that either one is a real possibility?
While there is nothing in his history to suggest this as a possibility, he can be an easy target by some women who want to make a lot of money. He has to careful that he doesn't get setup and wrongly accused for a sexual assault.
Okay, but that could happen to any rich celebrity - athlete, actor, musician. Hell, it happened to Jay Bromley!
However, it wouldn't be a knock on his character if he was falsely accused of something, and where Kivorka got the idea that OBJ was in danger or getting a DWI or sexually assaulting someone is beyond me.
it is sheer arrogance to project that you and your advisors outside the team know better than anyone else what's best for Odell -- it's show boating -- and if you want to show boat - you are going to get grief when you can't back it up
OBJ is therefore bringing bad attention on himself right now
I love the talent -- but I question what the purpose of all this attention serves
The other problem is the truth of what PT Barnum said: "there is no such thing as bad publicity."
Football fans might have reacted negatively to all the Norman stuff but it's just made Odell even more widely known.
My mother has no idea who Kalil Mack is, vaguely recognizes Tom Brady as an athlete of some sort, but she knows Odell's name and face instantly
But it doesn't look good. Why is Odell under a microscope? Let's be honest. He craves the attention. He loves his pre-game one-handed show. He likes to wear crazy stuff. Whether due to a lack of maturity or attention, he has had a number of on-field and off-field incidents that would garner attention.
So now he's a marked man. When you are a marked man, you either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put out the flames. He's choosing the former.
This is what the deal is. Players in the NFL who Odell plays against want him to fail. There is nothing wrong with that but his tactic of making himself the marked man hasn't worked since he hasn't backed it up all the time. I guess he called out the Ravens and backed it up that Sunday but we all remember Minnesota and Green Bay too. The Packer washout was notable.
As people said, Eli's playoff debut was also a dud. These opportunities aren't guaranteed.
As Giants fans, we have to live with the fact that our star WR is the NFL's biggest diva. It's certainly not a big deal nor is it decisive but it is something hovering over the team. You guys go to the games and see his pregames? It is what it is.
But it doesn't look good. Why is Odell under a microscope? Let's be honest. He craves the attention. He loves his pre-game one-handed show. He likes to wear crazy stuff. Whether due to a lack of maturity or attention, he has had a number of on-field and off-field incidents that would garner attention.
So now he's a marked man. When you are a marked man, you either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put out the flames. He's choosing the former.
Bingo. Not sure how sustainable it is in NY. Guys like Derek Jeter and Eli Manning have thrived in NY because they are boring and say and do the right thing. Guys who garner a lot of attention tend to get burned out when they are constantly the center of attention in the 24/7 media circus.
But it doesn't look good. Why is Odell under a microscope? Let's be honest. He craves the attention. He loves his pre-game one-handed show. He likes to wear crazy stuff. Whether due to a lack of maturity or attention, he has had a number of on-field and off-field incidents that would garner attention.
So now he's a marked man. When you are a marked man, you either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put out the flames. He's choosing the former.
Totally disagree.. He is simply taking advantage of being under the microscope, he is under the microscope because he has become an Icon, he is an Icon because in three short years everyone that has seen him play knows he is truly great. I think its ridiculous to judge him by how he dresses, he has swag, like it or not it makes no difference at all. He hasn't had ANY off the field incidents period. He does get over publicized because he is an Icon and has a huge following, therefore every move he makes is 'posted' and 'shared' and whatnot. He is a marked man but he has that MJ, Lebron, 'it' factor. He is great and he plays on our team. And if he wants to step into the limelight then let him, he can handle it, and we should support him.
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You know who was a "money player" in the playoffs who Giants fans hardly ever talk about?
Hakeem Nicks' 2011 playoff performance was stunning.
Even a guy like Nicks who was clutch for us and gave his all was labeled as "dogging it" by several BBI'ers. That he was a quitter. So it seems even if you are a great playoff performers some dolt fans will turn on you.
But hanging out with Johnny Football and Iggy Azeala seems like poor judgement or at least poor taste. (But really, whatever to that...) Going to Miami after Washington win was poor judgement. The net thing was poor judgement and look at me - not necessary. The Josh Norman thing wasn't really OBJs fault but I do think it exposed his lack of temperament and maturity and, most disconcerting, his lack of focus. Before all the Norman shenanigans there was the easy TD he dropped. I don't care what anyone says about the defense against Rodgers, OBJ came up small in the biggest game of his career. And it wasn't like he had a so so game and just failed to be great. Dude created a problem by going to Miami to celebrate (and did we ever figure out what the hell they were celebrating?) and then he came up small in the playoffs. His next big playoff performance will be his first, his next big media distraction will be, what, number 5, number 6?
I kid about trading OBJ. But then again, I've seen Eli produce with a lot of guys who go on to do just about nothing without Eli. Is OBJ as big a deal in Buffalo or Cleveland? No. So he should have a little more respect for the franchise and the guys around him.
Also, seen some Jerry Rice talk pop up here in regards to a comparison with OBJ. And that's cool as far as 1st playoff games. But Rice is the greatest WR of all time. He was a legendary worker. Worked his effing ass to the bone during the regular season and off season alike. He was a very, very high charecter guy. Among the very best to ever play the game at any position. Did Rice have a bad first playoff game? Ok. But, as great as OBJ has been, and he has been great, he's still not in Rices class. Especially in terms of character.
Think Reese was right when said that OBJ has some growing up to do. Still waiting for that I guess.
I always thought Cruz was a bit of a phony, but he knew how to play the media, and they treated him like a darling because of it.
I don't think Odell is a phony, but he has chosen a path that stirs up the media. Now that may be smarter in terms of his marketing, but again, expect negative media and fan reaction from many quarters.
Odell may be playing this up and laughing about it.
He hates having to deal with the media on this. It sells papers for them so 1/3 to 1/2 of the questions from here on out will be "Odell...Odell...Odell."
It gets tiresome.
Odell does work his ass off. Several players and people associated with the team say he's one of the hardest workers they've ever seen. So basically, if you run up a hill with teammates, that's good - but if you work out elsewhere, that's bad.
That's why this is completely overblown. Odell works hard - he's just not doing it at OTA's, which is actually his right.
He hates having to deal with the media on this. It sells papers for them so 1/3 to 1/2 of the questions from here on out will be "Odell...Odell...Odell."
It gets tiresome.
I am more worried about McAdoo's apparent rigidness towards this and how that may effect their relationship and the season. He is still very unproven as a second year coach. The greater danger IMO is his mishandling the situation than it is Odell not being prepared to play.
Giants players have privately and publicly praised McAdoo. He's not a problem.
Regardless of where you stand on Odell, I would think all must admit he is at least being an unpleasant distraction, especially for the coaching staff.
He's already got chemistry with Eli. I'm glad to see Marshall there as he still needs to sync with Eli. However, OBJ already has that chemistry, already knows the playbook, and the support of his teammates. Marshall also provides better veteran leadership (IMHO) than OBJ at this point so the team doesn't really need that either.
He's a top 3 WR in the league and will still be a top 3 WR when the season starts. Does anyone think missing VOLUNTARY workouts will change that? He's still going to showoff his next celebration dance every Sunday when he scores.
The player's union and the owners agreed to fewer mandatory camps. The owners likely agreed instead of giving up more money. If you and your boss agree to giving you more vacation time instead of a raise are you not going to take it (essentially throwing it away). I'm surprised more players don't show up. It would certainly increase their bargaining position. The owners, GMs, and Coaches can complain all they want about players not attending but if they really wanted that they should have made that a higher priority during negotiations instead of salary.
What I find interesting is there are several threads created that are specific to OBJ not being in camp. I don't see any for Olivier Vernon (if there are I must have missed them). Ya'll remember Vernon don't you? The highest paid DE in the league. A guy who has more to gain and less to lose than OBJ by showing up to camp. Vernon got paid (a lot of which is guaranteed) so why wasn't he showing up? Why isn't anyone complaining just as much about Vernon?
Personally, I'm glad OBJ isn't there. Him not showing up is smart move on his part. The rest is nothing more than the media trying to make a story out of it.
Giants players have privately and publicly praised McAdoo. He's not a problem.
Regardless of where you stand on Odell, I would think all must admit he is at least being an unpleasant distraction, especially for the coaching staff.
Of course he can't but he also needn't escalate tensions simply because a player is choosing to not participate in a voluntary work out. His tone comes off like he is missing something mandatory.
Think Parcells tone with LT. Sure he busted his chops but he also let him get away with a lot because of LT greatness. Win the war not the battle.
The issue with Beckham is more one of optics. He missed the Duke passing game (which is more meaningless than OTAs, but comes at a time when media smells blood). He hangs out with Manziel. He tells Kim Jones "no comment". His surrogate Cris Carter is mouthing off.
Will this mean anything in September 2017? Probably not. But Odell is opening himself up to criticism by the way he is handling this.
Get off social media. But if he does that, he doesn't generate "news" which helps his marketing.
It is what it is. Right or wrong, the perception there is no such thing as bad press to some, and that press will generate attention and dollars.
As I've said, Odell may be laughing about all of this... on his way to the bank.
It give fans something to argue about in May and June.
Possibly but then he would also be smart enough to figure out the best way to get through to him in order to not alienate him. The guy was a master at knowing which players to poke and which needed something else. How and when to push their buttons.
That is what he excelled at and I doubt he would see Odell's greatness and not do everything to tap into it.
Just look at how he butted heads with TO in Dallas. Wasn't good.
Giants players have privately and publicly praised McAdoo. He's not a problem.
Regardless of where you stand on Odell, I would think all must admit he is at least being an unpleasant distraction, especially for the coaching staff.
I'm not sure how you see Odell as a distraction, but not see McAdoo criticizing him to the media (or giving the media anything that can even be remotely construed as criticism) as the same thing. Andy Reid's 3 best defensive players didn't attend OTAs, yet he didn't give the media anything.
As far as being an "unpleasant distraction", McAdoo wouldn't have his current position with Odell. And even with their accolades, the same could be said of Eli and Jerry Reese. That doesn't mean they can't criticize Odell, but what purpose does doing so in the media accomplish? Even if he ignores it, do it to his face EVERY time. Don't give the media anything when the media is already piling on Beckham for things of absolutely zero consequence.
Klaatu, bad optics is what causes threads like this, calls into sports radio shows, and hysteria on ESPN.
My main point being if there was a player that should sit out the voluntary OTA, it's Beckham. I think he has more to lose than gain by attending. He's the poster boy for someone who should sit out these OTAs.
As to opening himself up to criticism I respectfully disagree. I think he's avoiding it. Beckham can't go anywhere without a reporter beating him up. Don't get me wrong. He made his bed but I don't think attending these Volunteer OTAs will fix that or even help much. Keep in mind that he can control his social media but he can't control the questions coming from the reporters. Norman was running his mouth again recently. How many questions would it take before the reporters start asking him about a response to Norman's latest comment? I bet they would tee off with it. Why deal with that?
You make an excellent point though about social media. That's likely only helping his popularity or as they are calling it now, his brand. Goes back to my point of him controlling what's put out there. So many people claim to hate his "antics" or "immaturity" but his stock just keeps going up. I mean he just go the highest endorsement given by Nike for a football player. Those endorsement deals will just keep rolling in.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/05/25/odell-beckham-and-olivier-vernon-miss-giants-otas/102159098/ - ( New Window )
it is sheer arrogance to project that you and your advisors outside the team know better than anyone else what's best for Odell -- it's show boating -- and if you want to show boat - you are going to get grief when you can't back it up
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OBJ is therefore bringing bad attention on himself right now
I love the talent -- but I question what the purpose of all this attention serves
Just like he a problem with LT? 'Cells never had an offensive talent at WR like Beckham.
Came up short. Did the same at the home game with Washington. Dude drops passes in big moments. Have him. He is all yours.
Does that mean you'll go away? Because that would be quite the added benefit.
camp. He will be ready when the lights come on. Everyone needs to chillout....
Come on Jake. Criminally underpaid? Who knew he would outperform his contract? I hate when people use that argument. It is inappropriate. Some folks on here like to use the LT analogy but that's also misplaced. Let's be honest here. When has ODB ever "taken over" a game? Now please don't confuse that with making big plays because he obviously has but LT took over games AND made big plays. He dominated and always came up big when it counted. You just can't say that about ODB with regularity
But it doesn't look good. Why is Odell under a microscope? Let's be honest. He craves the attention. He loves his pre-game one-handed show. He likes to wear crazy stuff. Whether due to a lack of maturity or attention, he has had a number of on-field and off-field incidents that would garner attention.
So now he's a marked man. When you are a marked man, you either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put out the flames. He's choosing the former.
This!!!
[quote] love Russia. If Odell was about winning, he would be a leader and he would be at the OTA even though he has every right not to be there. [/quot
Spoken like a true liberal
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Well, who gives a damn about the optics? Obviously not Odell Beckham, Jr., and why should he? He's not running for office.
Klaatu, bad optics is what causes threads like this, calls into sports radio shows, and hysteria on ESPN.
Threads like this are why you keep me around, but, come on, Eric...calls into sports radio shows? Hysteria on ESPN? Again I say who gives a damn? All of that doesn't amount to a spit in the ocean. Bad optics don't win or lose games, and if good optics actually mattered, Eli would have six rings already.
Or, you could say that some of us have become like Democrats - willing to forgive any transgression, no matter how heinous, as long as our side wins.
But let's face it, neither OBJ nor the Hillary showed up in Wisconsin, to the detriment of both their sides.
I'll still lay odds, though, that OBJ gets to the White House before Hillary ever gets near it again, and that's a good thing.
Having a hard time figuring out what this is supposed to mean. This is word salad.
1) Antonio Brown - 17 million
2) Julio Jones - 14.3 mil
3) Odell Beckham Jr. - 3.3 mil
4) Dez Bryant - 14 mil
5) AJ Green - 15 mil
6) Larry Fitzgerald - 11 mil
7) DeAndre Hopkins - 7.9 mil
8) Jordy Nelson - 11.5
9) Doug Baldwin - 11.5 mil
10) Alshon Jefferey - 9.5 mil
Odell's production over the last three seasons is equal to or better than any of these players. Odell has to wait his turn to get his long term deal, but I think you can say that he is criminally underpaid compared to his production.
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
Rookie contracts for 1st rounders took a serious hit when the current CBA was put in place. And I love these arguments that the PA agreed to this and that, and it is the PA to blame that practices were cut back for the teams. That was all they could get in the bargaining. They wanted the revenue split to stay the same, but they couldnt get that. They wanted to keep rookie contracts as they were, but they lost that too. The owners kicked the PA'a ass in those negotiations because the players had next to no leverage. The PA couldnt sit out a year to get what we wanted. That was not an option, so the owners got pretty much everything they wanted. The lighter practice schedule was something the PA could go back to their players with and say: at least we got something. So yea, the PA signed the CBA which included a structuring of rookie salaries, that was a big time pay cut, but again, they had no choice, other than to sit out a season, and that wasnt happening. So rookie contracts are rookie contracts, but the 5th year option is just fucked up, especially for a player like OBJ. Another way owners can keep players from pay days.
I fully support his desire for a contract extension if that is his reason for missing OTA's. But I don't support him making a big show of the fact that he isn't there. And don't blame the media/fans for that, because he's fueling it. If he just stayed off social media he would be getting the same treatment that Vernon is getting.
p.s.--On the other hand, all the attention he is receiving has distracted from the fact that the Giants did not make Eli available for a Q&A following OTA's.
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Which is subject to NFL union standards?
This thread is really full of a whole lot of stupid....
Rookie contracts for 1st rounders took a serious hit when the current CBA was put in place. And I love these arguments that the PA agreed to this and that, and it is the PA to blame that practices were cut back for the teams. That was all they could get in the bargaining. They wanted the revenue split to stay the same, but they couldnt get that. They wanted to keep rookie contracts as they were, but they lost that too. The owners kicked the PA'a ass in those negotiations because the players had next to no leverage. The PA couldnt sit out a year to get what we wanted. That was not an option, so the owners got pretty much everything they wanted. The lighter practice schedule was something the PA could go back to their players with and say: at least we got something. So yea, the PA signed the CBA which included a structuring of rookie salaries, that was a big time pay cut, but again, they had no choice, other than to sit out a season, and that wasnt happening. So rookie contracts are rookie contracts, but the 5th year option is just fucked up, especially for a player like OBJ. Another way owners can keep players from pay days.
Well done. And if I recall correctly the veteran players were the ones pushing the negotiations for the new CBA to limit rookie contracts so they could have the bigger piece of the cap pie.
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In comment 13484102 Shirk130 said:
[quote] love Russia. If Odell was about winning, he would be a leader and he would be at the OTA even though he has every right not to be there. [/quot
Spoken like a true liberal
of course that's your answer so you can ignore the issues. Btw, I'm a lifelong Republican who voted for GWB 2x so you'll need to find a different insult.
I fully support his desire for a contract extension if that is his reason for missing OTA's. But I don't support him making a big show of the fact that he isn't there. And don't blame the media/fans for that, because he's fueling it. If he just stayed off social media he would be getting the same treatment that Vernon is getting.
p.s.--On the other hand, all the attention he is receiving has distracted from the fact that the Giants did not make Eli available for a Q&A following OTA's.
Well, pardon me, Milton, but OBJ doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation for his absence from the OTAs. They're voluntary. He doesn't have to attend and he doesn't have give a reason for that. When OBJ is required to be in attendance, I have no doubt he will be, in great shape, ready to work.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
As far as him owing me an explanation, he doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything.
At the same time, for our amusement and gratification, many of us think he should benefit the Giants and join his generally fully paid teammates, for the good of the team. But the option is his, and he chooses not to. He has the contractual right. The Giants, could amend his current rookie contract, extend it and pay him something more equivalent to his real and true value. But they choose not to. They have the contractual right. Those of you on BBI who think that OBJ should voluntarily attend the OTAs for the good of the team should send him $15 million or so.
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Well, pardon me, Milton, but OBJ doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation for his absence from the OTAs. They're voluntary. He doesn't have to attend and he doesn't have give a reason for that. When OBJ is required to be in attendance, I have no doubt he will be, in great shape, ready to work.
And please, spare me the butthurt. "...having his face and words all over social media with no explanation while 87 of his teammates are working to make the team better while he hangs with B-list celebs just makes him look like a self-centered, spoiled hypocrite."
Oh, good grief (hat tip, Charles Schultz). As Carl Banks said in the interview linked in Dawg's thread, OBJ may be living his life "out loud," but he isn't living it "recklessly." I'm not into all of this social media stuff, myself, but I've got nephews who chronicle their every move on Facebook/Instagram/Whatever. OBJ is no different than millions of other young people (who also don't owe you an explanation for what they do). And if he "just stayed off social media) he'd be getting the same treatment from the media that he's getting now, except the stories would all say stuff like, Giants WR remains silent on absence from OTAs! or No word from no-show Beckham!.
Oh, and "B-list celebs." Well...let's just damn him all to hell for that, boy howdy! Honestly, I have no idea what constitutes an A-lister from a B or C-lister, but I can tell a cheap shot when I see one. Dude, when you make a post channeling Emlen's Gremlins and his obsession with the Dolan twins (whoever the hell they are), it's time for a little self-reflection.
First of all, spare me the juvenile insults. Second of all, I have no idea who Emlen's Gremlins are and the same goes for the Dolan twins. Third of all, OBJ is an adult and the choices he makes are a reflection on who he is and what's important to him. As I've said repeatedly, if he is staying away because he wants a contract extension, that is a business decision which is standard operating procedure and I would imagine his teammates are understanding/supportive. If he is staying away simply because he prefers to work out in California or wherever the hell he is, then in my mind that shows disrespect to the 87 teammates who made the effort to be there. And it makes him a hypocrite and a phony.
As far as him owing me an explanation, he doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him anything.
Jesus, you sound like a jilted lover (and if that's another juvenile insult, then so be it). How does OBJ skipping voluntary workouts make him a hypocrite and a phony? And does the same hold true for any other pro football player skipping his team's OTAs? Is Justin Houston a hypocrite and a phony, too? How about Fletcher Cox or Dont'a Hightower? Are both of them hypocrites and phonies, too? Is Earl Thomas disrespecting his teammates by skipping an OTA or two? Did DeSean Jackson's teammates feel disrespected by his absences? I doubt it, just as I doubt that any Giants players feel disrespected by OBJ's absence...or Olivier Vernon's.
It seems to me that the only people making a big stink about OBJ skipping the OTAs are press people looking for a story and butthurt fans who expect OBJ to live up to some nebulous standard of camaraderie that exists solely in their own minds.
And yeah, the "jilted lover" remark is what I mean by juvenile insults. It's immature and doesn't add to the discussion or help you make a point. If anything, you're the one who is getting all worked up over this as if it's personal.
The fact is that OBJ has been working out on his own with highly respected trainers and a HOF WR. It's not like he's been out drinking or doing drugs or dancing until the wee hours of the morning or whatever (I'm sure if he were, we'd know about it). It seems to me that he's doing everything he can to prepare his body for the upcoming season, and if that means skipping a couple of days of playing catch with Eli in New Jersey, in May, so be it. After three years and 288 receptions for 4,122 yards with 35 TDs, I seriously doubt that will have an adverse effect on their timing.
So, you're pissed because OBJ hasn't come out and said that he's skipping the OTAs because he wants a new contract. Well, tough. For all we know his people have been in contact with the Giants about a new contract, but, honestly, I don't care if they have or they haven't. All I care about is that OBJ shows up when he's supposed to and plays the game to the best of his abilities. And yes, I do get worked up about it, especially when I read some of the crap written here about OBJ...calling him a baby, selfish, etc., advocating that he be traded ASAP. There's a standard applied to the guy that isn't applied to any other NFL player and that's the the thing that gets my blood boiling.
How is it personal on my part? Passionate, absolutely, as with most things related to the Giants. Personal, no, not at all. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference, and if you can, but you simply choose to play the role of poor-poster-persecuted-for-your-opinions, well, that's on you, not me.
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
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And I'm not pissed at OBJ, I'm just offering up my opinion on the the current topic on BBI. Why it's so personal to you is beyond me.
How is it personal on my part? Passionate, absolutely, as with most things related to the Giants. Personal, no, not at all. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference, and if you can, but you simply choose to play the role of poor-poster-persecuted-for-your-opinions, well, that's on you, not me.
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
Though I doubt he's even noticed or cares, I haven't addressed Milton even once since his personal nasty attacks of several years ago and never plan to..So about personal stuff, it's kettle...
Though I doubt he's even noticed or cares, I haven't addressed Milton even once since his personal nasty attacks of several years ago and never plan to..So about personal stuff, it's kettle...
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
Well, he's certainly not constrained from signing a mutually agreeable extension..
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
People choose to defend him because a lot of the arguments used are inaccurate accusations and other arguments are fans who are projecting their own feelings as facts. Your post is a good example of inaccuracies.
He didn't "communicate his partying to the world" Go back and look at the facts of how the photo made it to the internet, and then look at who posted it.
Moreover, he's been at every mandatory practice. For his entire career. And he's been at the facility during this offseason. Fans claim to be so concerned about the team, but they sure aren't listening to the team when they respond to questions about this. They're all confident in his work ethic because they've already seen it. He's already been working out with Marshall. Brandon said so himself. I don't understand why we're so eager to undersell his incredible career to this point and "yeah but.." his consistent top-3 excellence over something so unimportant.
Then there's concerns about the "optics" of it. If you care enough about what gets printed in the newspaper, care a little bit more and do your own work here, and you can easily see that quite a lot of this is fluffed up nonsense, that players around the league don't go to voluntary activities, that prominent Giants players just last season didn't go to voluntary activities, and that it was entirely forgotten almost immediately.
It's easy to eat up what gets posted on page six about his personal life and react out of hand. It's a little harder to do some critical thinking or consider that just maybe he already is an incredibly hardworking player, and the sum of his career up to now bears that out. Based on what he's been able to accomplish on a football field in three years, it warrants a whole hell of a lot more respect than to be overlooked because of touchdown dances,who he's currently dating, or complaining that he isn't sleeping at the foot of Eli Manning's bed in late May.
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I want the team to have winning seasons which lead to playoff appearances and championships. That and a love of watching this sport is what keeps a fan coming back year after year.
To win it all and beat the best you need to have the best team. Building a team that is both physically talented enough to win and that has enough individuals buy in to forge a cohesive unit and beat the best is a momentous task that as fans of this team we have been fortunate enough to witness multiple times.
This building of a championship team means that the team must be the highest priority. The actions of Beckham call into question if he places the team into this highest priority position. As a fan I know I place the team highest, I am a Giants fan first and can give two shits how well Beckham can build his individual brand and enrich himself. There is nothing wrong per se with him doing this, but as fan,s we should be concerned that the priority of building his individual name and status can conflict with the team itself. Is there any Giant fan who can spin the absence of Beckham as a good thing for the team? More importantly perhaps than the missing of a few early practices is the lack of desire from Beckham himself to be out there working with his teammates. I always come back to this as if you are on a team, and you truly believe that winning it all as a team is the highest priority, why would you miss anything unless you had a valid life excuse. You should want to be there. If it is about money than why not just state that to management and say you will be there when it is mandatory. Why put out to the world all the other activities you deem more worthy than working with fellow Giants and even re-tweet a message that states you do not have to listen to the coach. How does any of this help the Giants as a team? Simple, it does not.
Then there is the issue of media hype. The mainstream media both inside and out of sports is a joke in many ways. Of course they will hype a story into something bigger if it garners attention. If you can not manage this you will flame out in NYC. This was true decades ago before social media and it is certainly true now. This is why what Eli was able to do in growing to become a franchise QB, in the most difficult of cities, is amazing. He had the personality and ability to persevere through it all and reach the top. This is difficult to do as a QB. Ask the Jets how their search for a franchise QB has been going. They have been searching for that player since I have been alive. My point is the media is not going away and it is part of playing in NYC. So crying over unfair media treatment is silly and frankly Beckham brings it upon himself. I would argue based on his actions so far, he craves the media attention good or bad. It is all building his brand.
Finally, there is the fact that Beckham's season ended like shit. Beckham is a world class player physically. There is no debating this. But, most of his numbers so far have bee in losing seasons. Last season he did well but it was the first winning season which means it was the first time there were truly meaningful games to play. In the biggest of these games, the Wild Card playoff round, Beckham played like crap. There is no debating this. His drops were critical. His anointed speaker and adviser Chris Carter just told us all this week it was do to "anxiety", him trying to do to much. There is another word for this. It is called choking, the moment was too big for the player. This is nothing new to sports and I hope the Giants get another playoff shot and he can redeem himself. This is by no means guaranteed though and he has squandered one opportunity already. This was compounded by the fact that during the week before the game he communicated his partying to the world and drew more attention to himself with the shirtless antics before the game. Many are quick to dismiss these actions and his poor play. I am not. If you are going to force the spotlight on you, you better come to play on the field. For the biggest test of Beckham's career to date he has a big fat 'F'. I would think he would want to put this to rest and start up the new season with his teammates. He sees it differently.
So, maybe this all means nothing. But, if you are a Giant fan, there is no doubt there should be some concern with how this has all been playing out. That is why I do not understand why so many are willing to defend Beckham with such passion.
People choose to defend him because a lot of the arguments used are inaccurate accusations and other arguments are fans who are projecting their own feelings as facts. Your post is a good example of inaccuracies.
He didn't "communicate his partying to the world" Go back and look at the facts of how the photo made it to the internet, and then look at who posted it.
Moreover, he's been at every mandatory practice. For his entire career. And he's been at the facility during this offseason. Fans claim to be so concerned about the team, but they sure aren't listening to the team when they respond to questions about this. They're all confident in his work ethic because they've already seen it. He's already been working out with Marshall. Brandon said so himself. I don't understand why we're so eager to undersell his incredible career to this point and "yeah but.." his consistent top-3 excellence over something so unimportant.
Then there's concerns about the "optics" of it. If you care enough about what gets printed in the newspaper, care a little bit more and do your own work here, and you can easily see that quite a lot of this is fluffed up nonsense, that players around the league don't go to voluntary activities, that prominent Giants players just last season didn't go to voluntary activities, and that it was entirely forgotten almost immediately.
It's easy to eat up what gets posted on page six about his personal life and react out of hand. It's a little harder to do some critical thinking or consider that just maybe he already is an incredibly hardworking player, and the sum of his career up to now bears that out. Based on what he's been able to accomplish on a football field in three years, it warrants a whole hell of a lot more respect than to be overlooked because of touchdown dances,who he's currently dating, or complaining that he isn't sleeping at the foot of Eli Manning's bed in late May.
Well, I will not claim to know the intricacies of how things go out on social media. I may be the last guy out there without a Facebook account at all. I do find it hard to believe that he has nothing to do with all of this stuff coming out on social media. I think he is the driving force behind it. Why re-tweet something about him listening to the HC though? That seems a dick move to me.
Just concerning to me as a Giants fan.
Came up short. Did the same at the home game with Washington. Dude drops passes in big moments. Have him. He is all yours.
Beckham "comes up short" once or twice a year and comes up huge every other week. Simple question is Beckham an elite player? If you answer no you're lost.
Why do I even bother.
And, yes he is a distraction, but not a huge one yet.
How do you know he's a distraction? Because the media says he is or that word is thrown around in a PC?
How the fuck does a player's "antics" distract a team from playing a game??!! I've asked this question for years on here without an answer. How?
Seriously, how??? If Eli has to answer a question or two about beckham's shit smell does it really hinder his ability to play????
"Distraction" is the most overused and incorrectly used terms in football.
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If you don't think it burns his ass that Brown is making 5 times what he is and Dez 4 times then you don't get human psychology. And from OBJ's perspective it doesn't matter if it's the owners or the NFLPA that's screwing him = all he knows is he's getting tons less than comparable players. Not surprising that he seeks to make it up with off the field $$. And a little controversy now and again helps in that regard.
Well, he's certainly not constrained from signing a mutually agreeable extension..
Who exactly are these cheerleaders and hanger ons? His speed trainer? Johnny Manziel who works with his trainer? People that concern themselves with this type of stuff seem to have amnesia with super stars that have held out in the past.
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Sound logic.
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Well, who gives a damn about the optics? Obviously not Odell Beckham, Jr., and why should he? He's not running for office.
Klaatu, bad optics is what causes threads like this, calls into sports radio shows, and hysteria on ESPN.
FMIC and Ghost both went racial and unnecessarily mean spirited. There is absolutely no upside to that kind of conversation. At some point someone has to be mature. Why was this allowed to go on?
Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
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Regardless, the only assumptions I'm making about you are merely conclusions arrived at by reading your posts on this subject.
Your conclusions about me are poorly supported, unfair, and just plain inaccurate.
Sez you.
Sound logic.
That's essentially what I mean by "distraction" being mostly fan fiction to fit a narrative.
Well then, we can all breathe a sigh of relief that you're not OBJ's agent.
Wait...not all of us.
I'm sure Go Terps would like to hear that. Anything to force the Giants to trade the kid.
Sell high, baby!