Who on the Giants do you want on your team this year. I almost never get a shot at Odell so I will target Marshall. Eli, and the defense. If he last long enough in the draft, would jump on Engram too! I want a running back early and that won't be a Giant.
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
3 years in the NFL:
91-1305-12(in 12 games)
96-1450-13(in 15 games)
101-1367-10
The dude is arguably the best WR in the NFL. If not, he's in the conversation. They will spread the ball around amongst everyone else, but OBJ is going to get his. I think you can make a better case that they other weapons will open things up for OBJ and allow him more space to do more damage.
100-1500-15 is definitely a possibility. Friends, please ignore Eric and draft OBJ in the first half of the first round, you will not be disappointed.
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
What WRs do are you taking over OBJ? Just curious...
As for Beast Mode, my main league is loaded with Raiders fans so I am looking forward to them falling all over themselves trying to get him. I see a 31 year old with high mileage who hasn't played in a year. Have at him.
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
That's some odd logic considering Brown and Bell are basically consensus top 5 picks despite playing on the same team.
3 years in the NFL:
91-1305-12(in 12 games)
96-1450-13(in 15 games)
101-1367-10
The dude is arguably the best WR in the NFL. If not, he's in the conversation. They will spread the ball around amongst everyone else, but OBJ is going to get his. I think you can make a better case that they other weapons will open things up for OBJ and allow him more space to do more damage.
100-1500-15 is definitely a possibility. Friends, please ignore Eric and draft OBJ in the first half of the first round, you will not be disappointed.
Beckham's as much as a 'lock' for 90-1300-10 as any WR with upside for considerably better numbers. A 100-1500-16 season wouldn't surprise me in the least with him. He can take just about any pass to the house and if he gets a little extra space thanks to the additions of BM and Engram, I'd expect an increase in his YAC, even if his total targets don't increase.
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I'm the opposite re: Eli. I love waiting on QB and grabbing a guy like Eli in the 2nd half of the draft instead of a Brady/Rodgers early on. Let's me stock up on depth at RB/WR.
Eli will be interesting this year. Does he drop due to his mediocre (fantasy wise) 2016 or does someone grab him a round or 2 higher than expected due to the additions of BM/Engram? Probably depends a lot on the makeup of your league (Giants fans vs others)
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I forgot the D. If this D stays healthy, they're a top 5 Fantasy Football D, return game is questionable to me, but just based on sacks, scoring D, turnovers, etc they should be top 5.
I usually draft D and K my last two picks if I even have to draft them, sometimes I fill up my roster with players and get a D and K off waivers before the season, but I wouldn't laugh at someone who drafted the Giants D in the 13th round or so.
After the "big name" D's get drafted early like the 10th round.
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and keeper league vs non keeper league matters (assume 12-team league; 10 team adjust up a round or so):
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I'm the opposite re: Eli. I love waiting on QB and grabbing a guy like Eli in the 2nd half of the draft instead of a Brady/Rodgers early on. Let's me stock up on depth at RB/WR.
Eli will be interesting this year. Does he drop due to his mediocre (fantasy wise) 2016 or does someone grab him a round or 2 higher than expected due to the additions of BM/Engram? Probably depends a lot on the makeup of your league (Giants fans vs others)
I usually do that too, just not with Eli.
I've done well in the past with getting guys like Carson Palmer or Rivers, but last year if you did this with Eli and your league is QB heavy (6pt per passing TD) you were in trouble.
I'm pegging Beckham for 95/1400/10
As a whole I think Giants fans follow the team closely which causes overthinking on their players (insert any other team). If Antonio Brown puts up numbers on the same team as arguably the best RB in football, there's no reason Bekcham can't either with the weapons we've added.
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select OBJ with a top 5 pick if you want. You will either hit a home run with it or will be kicking yourself due to the ball being spread around. I am just not willing to take a risk like that with a high 1st round pick. You pick the guaranteed points (excluding injury of course).
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
That's some odd logic considering Brown and Bell are basically consensus top 5 picks despite playing on the same team.
Why is it odd logic? It was not a blanket statement about whether it works for other players on other teams. It is a statement about the Giants. Please tell me when this offense produced two top performing fantasy players? Please tell me where the confidence comes from which would make you feel comfortable spending higher picks on anyone other than OBJ this season? I like to see things proven before I use my picks. Would rather see someone else hit a home run with a guy like Marshall on this team vs me take the chance and strike out.
To answer the other question from the other poster...
I would pick Brown and Jones over OBJ. No other WR over him. Definitely Bell and Elliott over him too. I did not do any kind of draft analysis yet to go beyond that. He may or may not be my #5.
I would pick Brown and Jones over OBJ. No other WR over him. Definitely Bell and Elliott over him too. I did not do any kind of draft analysis yet to go beyond that. He may or may not be my #5.
especially in my leagues which are 75% Patriots fans, 15% Cowboys fans, one Buccaneers fan and me.
Someone will definitely draft "Seattle D" in the 8th or 9th round (or whoever the D du jour is) and like I said I usually wait to round 16 of a 16 round draft for D. I can see taking the Giants D in the 13th round. If you look back at most drafts the 13th round is like (actual results from my last year's 12-team draft):
Mariota
Houston D
Taylor
Patriots D
Corey Coleman
Blair Walsh
Markus Wheaton
Tyler Eifert
Vikings D
Isiah Crowell
Connor Barth
Dwayne Allen
Same here, that's what I was trying to say, he'd be a good fallback option/QB2.
Jones can of course put up a monster TD season any given year but Beckham has already done it.
Going into 2016 I was Brown/Beckham 1A and 1B with Jones behind them, that is still the case today.
My comment has nothing to do with OBJs past performance and more about the uncertainty of this offense moving forward. With the additional weapons will the ball be spread around more than in prior years? People are talking about feeding Marshall and now Engram and even Shepard, then Vereen with dump offs on third down and he was hurt last year. So, this really is not about OBJ. I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
It is not a knock on him at all. Has nothing to do with his talent level or past performance. It is almost as if he has moved to a new team.
I think you can make a case that he will outperform last year because of the added weapons. Last year teams double and triple teamed him regularly and he still put up 101-1300-10. There was no threat of a run, no threat on the opposite side of the field and the only other weapon was Shepard. Teams can't key in on OBJ like they were able to in the past.
I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
You aren't dropping him though. Your initial statement said you aren't taking him before 9, then when you were specifically asked to name the 8 players you are taking before him, you came up with 4. Most people have OBJ anywhere from 3-6 and you seem to fall into that category.
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You first say that OBJ is too inconsistent which is the worst thing for a fantasy team and then say you would clearly take Julio over OBJ. Go look at Julios numbers and confirm that you are taking him over OBJ. It's not that clear cut. Julio had 10 games in which he had 0 TD's. He had 7 games over 100 yardes receiving and 8 games UNDER 70 yards. Why is he clearly the pick over OBJ??
My comment has nothing to do with OBJs past performance and more about the uncertainty of this offense moving forward. With the additional weapons will the ball be spread around more than in prior years? People are talking about feeding Marshall and now Engram and even Shepard, then Vereen with dump offs on third down and he was hurt last year. So, this really is not about OBJ. I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
It is not a knock on him at all. Has nothing to do with his talent level or past performance. It is almost as if he has moved to a new team.
Jones has a new offensive coordinator, Freeman/Coleman to catch dumpoffs/be split out wide, Sanu, Gabriel and Austin Hooper who will all see targets as well, and has a history of nagging injuries. But apparently he's a sure thing to be the #2 overall WR.
The other names in the rankings are McCoy, Evans, Gordon, AJ Green? I'm certainly not taking those guys over OBJ and wouldn't give it a second thought. So at worst, he's 6th if I do take Elliot and Jones over him.
I usually do that too, just not with Eli.
I've done well in the past with getting guys like Carson Palmer or Rivers, but last year if you did this with Eli and your league is QB heavy (6pt per passing TD) you were in trouble.
Yea, Eli was pretty bad last year. I had him in my keeper league and basically ended up streaming QBs throughout the season. Luckily my keepers were/are strong (D Johnson, Beckham, and Green) so I was able to overcome it.
Why is it odd logic? It was not a blanket statement about whether it works for other players on other teams. It is a statement about the Giants. Please tell me when this offense produced two top performing fantasy players? Please tell me where the confidence comes from which would make you feel comfortable spending higher picks on anyone other than OBJ this season? I like to see things proven before I use my picks. Would rather see someone else hit a home run with a guy like Marshall on this team vs me take the chance and strike out.
To answer the other question from the other poster...
I would pick Brown and Jones over OBJ. No other WR over him. Definitely Bell and Elliott over him too. I did not do any kind of draft analysis yet to go beyond that. He may or may not be my #5.
I was talking about your 'logic' as applied to Beckham not being worth a top 5-6 overall pick because the other guys would eat into his targets.
you are correct, but you also have to factor having to give Marshall the ball and Engram since he was our top pick, Vereen back, etc etc
In the end we can agree that there is some uncertainty. I like to be as certain as possible if I am selecting in the top 5
Example was Megatron. I told people I am not selecting him unless he is available in the 3rd round (which means I was not selecting him). The guy was hurt or he would have a gigantic game and then follow it up with nothing the following week. You need consistency. So, I opted not to draft him ever. Then, you see him put up games with one catch or come up small in some way when you would have been better off drafting a RB or another WR who can give you a guaranteed 12-15 points per week with the occasional huge game but never a shit game.
Another guy on my list like that right now is Gronk. You can have him. I watch people draft him at the end of the first round or the beginning of the 2nd. The guy is in the ice tub more than on the field. He kills your fantasy team despite his undeniable talent and occasional 3 TD games.
again, it is not OBJ I have a problem with. It is the Giants offense and the uncertainty of what his role and ball disbursement will be with all of the new talent.
I simply cannot see why some of you guys do not see that. I am not saying dont draft the guy I just do not like him in the top 5.
I think sometimes fans of teams look too hard at situations to justify opinions.
You can add more pieces around him, but Beckham will almost certainly get the same targets every year. Maybe even more this year as others have mentioned due to the less attention teams should be able to give him.
It's like Edelman in New England. The Patriots even with Amendola, Gronk, Bennett, White, Lewis, Hogan, Blount, Malcolm Mitchell, etc. somehow managed to target Edelman more than ever in any year this past year - and even with the injuries had more weapons than any other year.
His "bad" games are usually 5 catches for 70 yards and sometimes a TD!
I'd love to be in some of the leagues you're in if you are consistently winning, because the logic shown is this thread is astoundingly poor.
At that's ignoring the fact that you first said Beckham wasn't worth a first round pick that was dialed back to "not in the Top 5" even though he seems to be in your top 5.
Just a pretty bizarre take.
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why aren't you factoring in less doubles/triples for coverage? Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that Beckham should have a better opportunity to bust open weaker coverage more frequently?
you are correct, but you also have to factor having to give Marshall the ball and Engram since he was our top pick, Vereen back, etc etc
In the end we can agree that there is some uncertainty. I like to be as certain as possible if I am selecting in the top 5
I am factoring it in, I said as much in a previous post. When LeVeon Bell catches 75 balls and gets another 250+ carries it doesn't prevent Antonio Brown from catching 100 balls.
There is uncertainty with any player but the truly great players get the ball in the NFL.
Who is more certain? In my opinion, nobody. And do not say Julio because he had some real duds last year and was pretty inconsistent.
I won't sour on anyone picking Jones over Beckham but I can't think of a reason why I would.
Personally, I currently have OBJ slotted between 4-6 which is probably where most people have him. Eric is saying lots of words, but at the end of the day he's just trying to show everyone what an expert he is. There is no substance to his words.
And ironically, EricJ said a lot of words to pretty much tell us he's slotted Beckham between 4-6.
And that he's great at fantasy football.
Personally, I currently have OBJ slotted between 4-6 which is probably where most people have him. Eric is saying lots of words, but at the end of the day he's just trying to show everyone what an expert he is. There is no substance to his words.
Pretty much my point with OBJ. Personally I would take him over Julio just because Julio, despite having a great season overall last year, burned me in some crucial weeks with some major duds. But other than Julio, who can you argue over OBJ? Hard to have him ranked lower than 6 and could make a case for him being in the top 3-4.
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You first say that OBJ is too inconsistent which is the worst thing for a fantasy team and then say you would clearly take Julio over OBJ. Go look at Julios numbers and confirm that you are taking him over OBJ. It's not that clear cut. Julio had 10 games in which he had 0 TD's. He had 7 games over 100 yardes receiving and 8 games UNDER 70 yards. Why is he clearly the pick over OBJ??
My comment has nothing to do with OBJs past performance and more about the uncertainty of this offense moving forward. With the additional weapons will the ball be spread around more than in prior years? People are talking about feeding Marshall and now Engram and even Shepard, then Vereen with dump offs on third down and he was hurt last year. So, this really is not about OBJ. I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
It is not a knock on him at all. Has nothing to do with his talent level or past performance. It is almost as if he has moved to a new team.
I think you are over thinking things. Guys like obj transcend systems. Guys like obj always put up numbers. And more often than not surrounding talent helps great players it doesn't hinder them, statistically.
There is no sound argument to support the belief that Beckham will disappoint this season in FF. He's as safe a pick as any.
Plax had his best season with Eli when toomer and shockey and tiki were playing well here. Nicks had a good season whe Cruz was going off here.
Good players perform. I love when owners pass or pick guys based on logic like yours.
Why did Braylon Edwards struggle after that two year stretch? Because he was overrated. Why did Brandon Marshall struggle last year with the jets? The qb and offense fell apart.
It's never due to too many weapons unless the qb sucks ass. Eli doesn't suck ass.
Pass on Beckham at your own peril. Odds are he produces once again because he's a great player with a known commodity at qb. Brandon Marshall will only help. For every ball that Marshall sucks away from Beckham he will get two more thrown his way because drives will last longer, thanks to Marshall and all those weapons.
Wayne chrebet won me a ft title one year as the second wr option in a run first jets offense. Why? He was a good player with a good qb.