Who on the Giants do you want on your team this year. I almost never get a shot at Odell so I will target Marshall. Eli, and the defense. If he last long enough in the draft, would jump on Engram too! I want a running back early and that won't be a Giant.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that I would not select OBJ in the top 5-8 picks of the draft either this year. If he is there at the end of the first round then fine.
The other guys on our offense have to be picks you look at much later in the draft. What kills fantasy teams are players who produce one week and then nothing the next week. You are better off with a guy who will give you a solid 12-15 points per week every week than a guy who gives you 25 one week and then 4 points the next. Unfortunately, this is what I see happening with our guys year in and year out due to the inconsistency of our offense. The only one who put up points on a fairly consistent basis was OBJ two years ago and then some of that consistency dropped off last year when the offense struggled This year, with the other weapons you just dont know how many balls he will get yet. I would say let someone else draft him with the 3rd pick and go for Zeke Elliott or something.
Good call on the defense but as long as you are not spending a top 12 (round) pick on them. Selecting a defense before you stack your bench in the other positions is a serious mistake that I see.
Really? I Would take Zeke Elliott over OBJ. Especially going into this season not knowing how McAdoo plans to spread the ball around.
I'm a huge Perkins fan in fantasy, and will probably own him in my big money league, but it's completely possible he gets pulled for a goal line back, which would really suck.
The D will be a good own but I tend not to pay for defenses. Hopefully the kicker isn't fantasy relevant because we punch in so many touchdowns :)
As far as the rest of the roster. I like Perkins too if I can get him in the middle rounds. He will put up some fantasy numbers this year and most will overlook him because of our running game the last few years and our OL, but he ran well behind this line.
Engram could be a sleeper(unless people get crazy and draft him early because he has a strong preseason) and Marshall should be a solid late round guy who can start.
I had Julio Jones last year, and I will definitely take OBJ over him if given the chance. He was inconsistent, and while having some huge games, had some real duds in crucial weeks. OBJ started slow but was more consistent IMO.
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
3 years in the NFL:
91-1305-12(in 12 games)
96-1450-13(in 15 games)
101-1367-10
The dude is arguably the best WR in the NFL. If not, he's in the conversation. They will spread the ball around amongst everyone else, but OBJ is going to get his. I think you can make a better case that they other weapons will open things up for OBJ and allow him more space to do more damage.
100-1500-15 is definitely a possibility. Friends, please ignore Eric and draft OBJ in the first half of the first round, you will not be disappointed.
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
What WRs do are you taking over OBJ? Just curious...
As for Beast Mode, my main league is loaded with Raiders fans so I am looking forward to them falling all over themselves trying to get him. I see a 31 year old with high mileage who hasn't played in a year. Have at him.
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
That's some odd logic considering Brown and Bell are basically consensus top 5 picks despite playing on the same team.
3 years in the NFL:
91-1305-12(in 12 games)
96-1450-13(in 15 games)
101-1367-10
The dude is arguably the best WR in the NFL. If not, he's in the conversation. They will spread the ball around amongst everyone else, but OBJ is going to get his. I think you can make a better case that they other weapons will open things up for OBJ and allow him more space to do more damage.
100-1500-15 is definitely a possibility. Friends, please ignore Eric and draft OBJ in the first half of the first round, you will not be disappointed.
Beckham's as much as a 'lock' for 90-1300-10 as any WR with upside for considerably better numbers. A 100-1500-16 season wouldn't surprise me in the least with him. He can take just about any pass to the house and if he gets a little extra space thanks to the additions of BM and Engram, I'd expect an increase in his YAC, even if his total targets don't increase.
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I'm the opposite re: Eli. I love waiting on QB and grabbing a guy like Eli in the 2nd half of the draft instead of a Brady/Rodgers early on. Let's me stock up on depth at RB/WR.
Eli will be interesting this year. Does he drop due to his mediocre (fantasy wise) 2016 or does someone grab him a round or 2 higher than expected due to the additions of BM/Engram? Probably depends a lot on the makeup of your league (Giants fans vs others)
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I forgot the D. If this D stays healthy, they're a top 5 Fantasy Football D, return game is questionable to me, but just based on sacks, scoring D, turnovers, etc they should be top 5.
I usually draft D and K my last two picks if I even have to draft them, sometimes I fill up my roster with players and get a D and K off waivers before the season, but I wouldn't laugh at someone who drafted the Giants D in the 13th round or so.
After the "big name" D's get drafted early like the 10th round.
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and keeper league vs non keeper league matters (assume 12-team league; 10 team adjust up a round or so):
Beckham: 1st round, top 3 to 5 pick, only players I can see realistically taking over Beckham are Bell, Brown, David Johnson and maybe Elliott. I'd take Beckham before Julio but wouldn't kill someone who reversed them.
Marshall: obviously some risk until you see how he's used, but could be a sneaky WR3/Flex in the 7 - 10 round range
Perkins: no Jennings this year, and with the addition of a blocking TE and more options more room should be there in the running game in the 8 - 10th round
Eli: I hate having Eli as my starting QB, and don't advocate for him here, but he's a good fall back/backup option to have if you don't take one of the top QB's (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.) and you have a starter like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson it could be one of the years with the new weapons where Eli thrives. 9th - 11th round
Shepard: not sure what to expect, only so many balls to go around, but still I see some value: 10th - 12th round
Engram: a late round target for me in a keeper league
Vereen: late round target - 14th - 16th round
I'm the opposite re: Eli. I love waiting on QB and grabbing a guy like Eli in the 2nd half of the draft instead of a Brady/Rodgers early on. Let's me stock up on depth at RB/WR.
Eli will be interesting this year. Does he drop due to his mediocre (fantasy wise) 2016 or does someone grab him a round or 2 higher than expected due to the additions of BM/Engram? Probably depends a lot on the makeup of your league (Giants fans vs others)
I usually do that too, just not with Eli.
I've done well in the past with getting guys like Carson Palmer or Rivers, but last year if you did this with Eli and your league is QB heavy (6pt per passing TD) you were in trouble.
I'm pegging Beckham for 95/1400/10
As a whole I think Giants fans follow the team closely which causes overthinking on their players (insert any other team). If Antonio Brown puts up numbers on the same team as arguably the best RB in football, there's no reason Bekcham can't either with the weapons we've added.
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select OBJ with a top 5 pick if you want. You will either hit a home run with it or will be kicking yourself due to the ball being spread around. I am just not willing to take a risk like that with a high 1st round pick. You pick the guaranteed points (excluding injury of course).
Now, regarding the rest of our offensive weapons. Do not reach my friends. Let everyone else jump and pick the rest of our guys due to a renewed optimism about the offense. Remember this... there is ONE ball. How can all of these guys have a solid fantasy season? Eli is still having a few issues and his offensive line to me is the same line that he had last year causing him to have to check out of plays and rush the ball out before checking all of his options.
If Marshall or anyone else is still out there in the back half of the draft then fine. Want to select our RB? Really? When was the last time a Giants RB was relevant in fantasy? We also have Vereen and we drafted a guy.
With all of this uncertainty it makes it difficult to spend picks on these guys when you have players on other teams who you KNOW will give you consistent points week in and week out.
I am just waiting for people to go nuts drafting Beast Mode.
That's some odd logic considering Brown and Bell are basically consensus top 5 picks despite playing on the same team.
Why is it odd logic? It was not a blanket statement about whether it works for other players on other teams. It is a statement about the Giants. Please tell me when this offense produced two top performing fantasy players? Please tell me where the confidence comes from which would make you feel comfortable spending higher picks on anyone other than OBJ this season? I like to see things proven before I use my picks. Would rather see someone else hit a home run with a guy like Marshall on this team vs me take the chance and strike out.
To answer the other question from the other poster...
I would pick Brown and Jones over OBJ. No other WR over him. Definitely Bell and Elliott over him too. I did not do any kind of draft analysis yet to go beyond that. He may or may not be my #5.
I would pick Brown and Jones over OBJ. No other WR over him. Definitely Bell and Elliott over him too. I did not do any kind of draft analysis yet to go beyond that. He may or may not be my #5.
especially in my leagues which are 75% Patriots fans, 15% Cowboys fans, one Buccaneers fan and me.
Someone will definitely draft "Seattle D" in the 8th or 9th round (or whoever the D du jour is) and like I said I usually wait to round 16 of a 16 round draft for D. I can see taking the Giants D in the 13th round. If you look back at most drafts the 13th round is like (actual results from my last year's 12-team draft):
Mariota
Houston D
Taylor
Patriots D
Corey Coleman
Blair Walsh
Markus Wheaton
Tyler Eifert
Vikings D
Isiah Crowell
Connor Barth
Dwayne Allen
Same here, that's what I was trying to say, he'd be a good fallback option/QB2.
Jones can of course put up a monster TD season any given year but Beckham has already done it.
Going into 2016 I was Brown/Beckham 1A and 1B with Jones behind them, that is still the case today.
My comment has nothing to do with OBJs past performance and more about the uncertainty of this offense moving forward. With the additional weapons will the ball be spread around more than in prior years? People are talking about feeding Marshall and now Engram and even Shepard, then Vereen with dump offs on third down and he was hurt last year. So, this really is not about OBJ. I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
It is not a knock on him at all. Has nothing to do with his talent level or past performance. It is almost as if he has moved to a new team.
I think you can make a case that he will outperform last year because of the added weapons. Last year teams double and triple teamed him regularly and he still put up 101-1300-10. There was no threat of a run, no threat on the opposite side of the field and the only other weapon was Shepard. Teams can't key in on OBJ like they were able to in the past.
I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
You aren't dropping him though. Your initial statement said you aren't taking him before 9, then when you were specifically asked to name the 8 players you are taking before him, you came up with 4. Most people have OBJ anywhere from 3-6 and you seem to fall into that category.
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You first say that OBJ is too inconsistent which is the worst thing for a fantasy team and then say you would clearly take Julio over OBJ. Go look at Julios numbers and confirm that you are taking him over OBJ. It's not that clear cut. Julio had 10 games in which he had 0 TD's. He had 7 games over 100 yardes receiving and 8 games UNDER 70 yards. Why is he clearly the pick over OBJ??
My comment has nothing to do with OBJs past performance and more about the uncertainty of this offense moving forward. With the additional weapons will the ball be spread around more than in prior years? People are talking about feeding Marshall and now Engram and even Shepard, then Vereen with dump offs on third down and he was hurt last year. So, this really is not about OBJ. I am objectively looking at what this offense may do this year and to me it is unclear and since it is not clear THAT is why I drop OBJ down a bit.
It is not a knock on him at all. Has nothing to do with his talent level or past performance. It is almost as if he has moved to a new team.
Jones has a new offensive coordinator, Freeman/Coleman to catch dumpoffs/be split out wide, Sanu, Gabriel and Austin Hooper who will all see targets as well, and has a history of nagging injuries. But apparently he's a sure thing to be the #2 overall WR.
The other names in the rankings are McCoy, Evans, Gordon, AJ Green? I'm certainly not taking those guys over OBJ and wouldn't give it a second thought. So at worst, he's 6th if I do take Elliot and Jones over him.