If we get a later round draft pick who pans out, like a Diehl for example who was a 5th rounder, they could easily supplant them. Hoping it happens just means we want to upgrade our line, and upgrade the weak links.
I know the picture is in jest, but perhaps one of Flowers defenders can find the screen capture of last season when Flowers did this exact move using his left arm on Harrison. I'm sure someone has it because there was a vocal contingent of BBI that tried to argue that the holding call was BS.
bisnowaty to take the RT job with fluker the RG would give them a chance to run the ball to the right side alot better than last year with hart and jerry over there.
pugh is looking for a big pay day but as a LG he isnt that irreplaceable they would need to over pay him,i would like pugh back he is thier best OL but with beckhams and richbergs contracts coming up i cant see him getting what he is looking for from the giants
they have a few guys on the roster that could fit at LG without blowing up the salary cap to do it,wheeler and dunker are probably eyeing that shot right now they are banking on flowers getting it this year to give them the OL they really want
who knows maybe flowers would be better at RT and bisnowaty is the next diehl and takes the LT position its not like flowers is untouchable as the LT. i dont think he has been as bad as some think but i dont think he is as good as his 9th overall pick status would expect him to be either they need to run the ball better with however plays the OT spots
Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
Or teams simply struggle to evaluate OL talent in recent years.
it will mean we are really bad off talent wise for a RT, not trashing the guy but how bad could the veterans be at that position...
The incumbent RT is Bobby Hart. Did you watch him play last year?
yes I did watch him play last year and he was not very good but was he so bad that a rookie could come in and take his job...
Sure. Why not?
Saying that Hart was "not very good" is an understatement, in my opinion. I thought he was terrible. Now, could he improve this year? I suppose he could. It's not like he doesn't have any room for it. And for now he's penciled in as the starting RT, but the operative word is "penciled." Has he set such a high standard of OT play that the idea of a rookie coming in and taking his job is inconceivable? Not to me.
...and then there are "high floor, low ceiling" prospects. Bisnowaty could be the kind of guy who comes in and starts as a rookie but never gets all that much better. Think Mike Rosenthal. The Giants selected Petitgout in the 1st round and Rosenthal in the 5th round that year, but it was Rosenthal who started as a rookie, not Petitgout. Ultimately Petitgout had the better career, although that could be debated.
Bisnowaty, Hart, Fluker and Jerry have played a lot of football
Fluker and Jerry obviously have started almost every game the last few years at the NFL and before that in the SEC which led to them being high draft picks. Hart and Bisnowaty started almost every game of their careers in the ACC, though neither is a top talent or proven much at the NFL level. Getting 2 solid contributors on the right side of the line out of those 4 players doesn't seem unrealistic. None of them are 1 year flash in the pans like Mitch Petrus and all of them seem to have the toughness and intangibles you look for in an offensive lineman.
Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
Or teams simply struggle to evaluate OL talent in recent years.
I don't disagree with this comment. And unfortunately, the Giants are one of the bigger offenders at that.
I know the picture is in jest, but perhaps one of Flowers defenders can find the screen capture of last season when Flowers did this exact move using his left arm on Harrison. I'm sure someone has it because there was a vocal contingent of BBI that tried to argue that the holding call was BS.
but alas, onto 2017...
pugh is looking for a big pay day but as a LG he isnt that irreplaceable they would need to over pay him,i would like pugh back he is thier best OL but with beckhams and richbergs contracts coming up i cant see him getting what he is looking for from the giants
they have a few guys on the roster that could fit at LG without blowing up the salary cap to do it,wheeler and dunker are probably eyeing that shot right now they are banking on flowers getting it this year to give them the OL they really want
who knows maybe flowers would be better at RT and bisnowaty is the next diehl and takes the LT position its not like flowers is untouchable as the LT. i dont think he has been as bad as some think but i dont think he is as good as his 9th overall pick status would expect him to be either they need to run the ball better with however plays the OT spots
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Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
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Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
Or teams simply struggle to evaluate OL talent in recent years.
The incumbent RT is Bobby Hart. Did you watch him play last year?
I think our Tackles did a fairly good job in 2016 at showing how bad you can be at that position...
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it will mean we are really bad off talent wise for a RT, not trashing the guy but how bad could the veterans be at that position...
The incumbent RT is Bobby Hart. Did you watch him play last year?
yes I did watch him play last year and he was not very good but was he so bad that a rookie could come in and take his job...
The incumbent RT is Bobby Hart. Did you watch him play last year?
yes I did watch him play last year and he was not very good but was he so bad that a rookie could come in and take his job...
Sure. Why not?
Saying that Hart was "not very good" is an understatement, in my opinion. I thought he was terrible. Now, could he improve this year? I suppose he could. It's not like he doesn't have any room for it. And for now he's penciled in as the starting RT, but the operative word is "penciled." Has he set such a high standard of OT play that the idea of a rookie coming in and taking his job is inconceivable? Not to me.
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Bisnowaty has a much better resume heading into the league than Hart when he did.
I think when you're talking about 6th vs 7th rounders, you're really kind of splitting hairs. Hart started for two years for a big time college football power and an eventual national championship team. He didn't exactly have a college career of little significance.
I hope for the best with Bisnowaty, but there is a little bit of wild optimism at play here. I see a lot of people commenting as if they're expecting him to make some kind of impact as a rookie.
Bisnowaty was all ACC his last two years. He has the size and measurables you look for. Many had him as one of if not the top OT heading into the season last year. It's not splitting hairs.
And then, in a draft with no offensive tackles to be had, in a league that's always looking for linemen that can play at this level, he was there to be picked in the sixth round.
Not that that's 100% definitive of anything, but we're either underselling the difficulty curve of rookie linemen, or overselling on a guy who "looks the part" just like the team might have done when they picked Flowers.
Or teams simply struggle to evaluate OL talent in recent years.
I don't disagree with this comment. And unfortunately, the Giants are one of the bigger offenders at that.