D.J. Fluker's Comments RE: Giants vs. Chargers

stadium...

That saying usually refers to someone wanting to go somewhere else while still in their current situation. He has been in both organizations and is making a statement based on what he knows, not thinks.

People don't always realize that different organizations are run completely differently. It's like any business, each business runs differently. The Giants are clearly very well run and it goes beyond the personnel that you see on Sundays. They run their business well. The Chargers do not.

Perhaps he's found a home.

organization says about that organization while talking up the one that just signed him.

We've done this repeatedly over the years with washouts from other teams and, most of the time, this grand organizational difference talked about changes nothing for the player, in terms of how good they are (or aren't).

I loved Fluker when he was in the Draft. He's the guy I was hoping would fall to the Giants.

to a winning pedigree with a lot on the line. This is exactly what many of us referred to when others were so down on him coming here.

The games still need to be played of course, but there's a lot that goes into a players performance and atmosphere plays a huge part.

In comment 13489267 Keith said:

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That saying usually refers to someone wanting to go somewhere else while still in their current situation. He has been in both organizations and is making a statement based on what he knows, not thinks.

all that from a few OTA drills?...yeah, whatever.

I've only been there 2 weeks and I can already tell how much better of a company it is with both product offering and process.

Sports aren't any different. He's going to work and already sees a big difference in the two organizations. It isn't rocket science.

Targeted Fluker in his draft.

and that includes first round draft picks. How quickly they develop and mature depends on the environment that they get drafted into. I don't know anything about the OL coach in SD, but it's possible that Fluker just wasn't getting what he needed and didn't feel like he fit. It happens all the time. It's also very possible that Fluker just needed a fresh start and to get his body and his head right. I hope the Giants can unlock Fluker's potential and he becomes the road grader they need at RG.

And then said publicly that they regretted their move? That the team they left was much better run than the team they're on now?

but we are talking about a special needs player (IMO) and we are talking about a terribly run franchise vs. the one of the best.

Its about organizational discipline and commitment. One easy example is Fluker's weight: the Chargers were seemingly fine letting him play close to 400#. That isnt going to happen here.

Didn't Aaron Ross make some negative comments about Jacksonville after he left the Giants?

but honestly don't like to hear him bad mouthing the Chargers. Take responsibility for your own failings don't blame the coaching staff. And don't expect the Giants coaches to work miracles. We haven't exactly been spinning straw into gold on the OL. It's up to him to work his butt off and salvage his career.

Fluker stunk because the Chargers have a lousy organization.

Nobody is more connected to all things football at the highest levels than the Manning family. Archie knows everyone. There was a damn good reason Eli didnt want to play there and its not because he hates nice weather.

4 trophies in our case - none in theirs. No accident.

If you're stance is that none of this has any chance of affecting a player's performance thats your prerogative. I disagree.

Fan of San Fran and Joey porter hated Miami m. Just teoxthat pop out to me.

LOL. More faux-insider shit.

This actually would have been an okay post otherwise but you just can't help yourself.

side. Like everyone, I'm hoping that he turns it around in his new environment. But, I'm not putting much into his comments.

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LOL. More faux-insider shit. This actually would have been an okay post otherwise but you just can't help yourself.

Hey, I'm still working on "special needs" player.

Oh, and how the Chargers were fine with his weight.

"First, with D.J.'s scouting report I think he needs a certain type of coaching, and I will just leave it at that."

Leave it at what? Like you know anything?

Maybe Anthony Davis will come here and be a mentor to Fluker...

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First, with D.J.'s scouting report I think he needs a certain type of coaching, and I will just leave it at that. Not going any deeper, but there are things about his "make up" that lends to him having certain needs

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but we are talking about a special needs player (IMO)

Care to cite your sources?

In comment 13489274 Eric from BBI said:

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I loved Fluker when he was in the Draft. He's the guy I was hoping would fall to the Giants.

Ha ha, well I guess eventually he did.

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In comment 13489309 arcarsenal said: Quote: LOL. More faux-insider shit. This actually would have been an okay post otherwise but you just can't help yourself. Hey, I'm still working on "special needs" player. Oh, and how the Chargers were fine with his weight.

"I'll just leave it at that" is actually making me laugh. This guy is really something else.

chic-fila chicken nugget challenge.

He has a lot to prove.

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In comment 13489322 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13489309 arcarsenal said: Quote: LOL. More faux-insider shit. This actually would have been an okay post otherwise but you just can't help yourself. Hey, I'm still working on "special needs" player. Oh, and how the Chargers were fine with his weight. "I'll just leave it at that" is actually making me laugh. This guy is really something else.

There are things I just can't divulge right now,

But, trust me, when the time is right, I will.

If the Giants were in such disarray that they were moving to LA, and the Chargers had won two SBs in the last ten years, with an 11-5 record last year, who would question it if Fluker said the Chargers were a more professional organization? The acquisition of Fluker gives an obviously talented individual a second chance in a stronger organization, and matches Fluker's needs and interests nicely with those of the Giants. The year ahead is more promising because Fluker is here. We will no doubt find out if his comments were astute or simply narrowly self interested. The objective situations of the two organizations appear to support Fluker's observations.

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He has a lot to prove.

He wasnt cut they just declined to pick up his 5th year option at $9M.

franchise, but it doesn't usually play out in great strides. It might be an incremental improvement, like John Jerry last season. A player feels more apart of the process and takes responsibility to work harder.

But I don't really see how it might be enough benefit to move the needle from draft bust to solid player, which is what would need to happen.

reading the OP. Junc just can't get out of his own way, always has to throw in just pure bullshit just for the sake of making himself sound like an insider.

His posts in other threads are great too. He can't ever talk like a normal fan. So he posts stuff like this

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All the sudden area junc : 6/2/2017 5:37 pm : link : reply this roster is stacked with big, tough athletes with similar mindsets. Done a nice job with player acquisition. Clear methodolgy from a mental standpoint.

Clear methodology from a mental standpoint. Player acquisition. It's like he's trying to make himself sound like he's jerry reese

versus San Diego? Yes

Do I think Fluker's comments have anything more to them than expressing to a simple beat writer question that he is just happy to be part of the Giants versus a team that didn't want him? No

Do I think Fluker has already reaped the benefits of such a class organization that has seemingly corned the market on developing O-lineman as of late? No

and I think it's easily to tell when it's lip service or real. I have no reason to believe he doesn't think he has a better chance to succeed here which starts with the players around him, the coaching staff, and ownership all being better than where he came from.

That's it, no more no less.

In comment 13489351 MookGiants said:

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reading the OP. Junc just can't get out of his own way, always has to throw in just pure bullshit just for the sake of making himself sound like an insider. His posts in other threads are great too. He can't ever talk like a normal fan. So he posts stuff like this Quote: All the sudden area junc : 6/2/2017 5:37 pm : link : reply this roster is stacked with big, tough athletes with similar mindsets. Done a nice job with player acquisition. Clear methodolgy from a mental standpoint. Clear methodology from a mental standpoint. Player acquisition. It's like he's trying to make himself sound like he's jerry reese

Me too man. I'm actually still laughing. It's incredible.

winning a starting job on the O-line and maybe a Pro Bowl in 2017 in this organization.

Lets shoot for the stars...

In comment 13489351 MookGiants said:

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reading the OP. Junc just can't get out of his own way, always has to throw in just pure bullshit just for the sake of making himself sound like an insider. His posts in other threads are great too. He can't ever talk like a normal fan. So he posts stuff like this Quote: All the sudden area junc : 6/2/2017 5:37 pm : link : reply this roster is stacked with big, tough athletes with similar mindsets. Done a nice job with player acquisition. Clear methodolgy from a mental standpoint. Clear methodology from a mental standpoint. Player acquisition. It's like he's trying to make himself sound like he's jerry reese

So we went after a bunch of special needs guys this offseason?

a mess (SD) as evidenced by moving.

but they had some ridiculously good teams in Rivers early years that should really have won Super Bowls.

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Quote: First, with D.J.'s scouting report I think he needs a certain type of coaching, and I will just leave it at that. Not going any deeper, but there are things about his "make up" that lends to him having certain needs In comment 13489295 area junc said: Quote: but we are talking about a special needs player (IMO) Care to cite your sources?

I know who they are and can vouch for him. They are the voices in his head.

In comment 13489384 Jimmy Googs said:

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winning a starting job on the O-line and maybe a Pro Bowl in 2017 in this organization. Lets shoot for the stars...

Oh, Jimmy, we have the moon. Let's not ask for the stars.

because they couldn't get a new stadium not because their OL coach sucks.

Betty Davis eyes...

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reading the OP. Junc just can't get out of his own way, always has to throw in just pure bullshit just for the sake of making himself sound like an insider. His posts in other threads are great too. He can't ever talk like a normal fan. So he posts stuff like this Quote: All the sudden area junc : 6/2/2017 5:37 pm : link : reply this roster is stacked with big, tough athletes with similar mindsets. Done a nice job with player acquisition. Clear methodolgy from a mental standpoint. Clear methodology from a mental standpoint. Player acquisition. It's like he's trying to make himself sound like he's jerry reese

IN junc WE TRUST!!!

where he's drawing parallels to the Giants? Alabama under Nick Saban who tastes the f#cking grass before games and leaves no stone unturned. Hard coaching. Attention to detail. Clear communication. Commitment to winning from the AD down.

That's the environment that got him picked 11th.

He goes to SD and it all goes to sh#t.

Now - maybe he just isn't very good. Or maybe he needs a certain style of instruction. We'll find out soon enough, but I find his words encouraging if you're interested in the reasons he thinks he's struggled in the NFL.

the other team with what Boston.com was reporting as "strong interest" in signing Fluker?

The New England Patriots - probably the other organization that most closely resembles Alabama.

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I loved Fluker when he was in the Draft. He's the guy I was hoping would fall to the Giants.

Same here. Besides his physical skills and pedigree, I was blown away by the interviews I saw of him on youtube. In all my years watching interviews with athletes, I don't think I've ever come across a more likable guy. He is someone you love to root for.

!!!

is why DJ Fluker didn't just stop in Canton, Ohio instead of coming to Jersey?

better fit for a player. It's not like a shoe store with 32 different shoes - you get try on each pair and see what fits. If there were only one year contracts you might hear a lot of players saying this.

You are so far off base.

1) BBI has a clear methodology from a mental standpoint.

That's why so many posters are clearly from the New York Area.

2) What's more many many of the BBI posters are also very clearly fans of the New York Football Giants

So BBI is clearly clear mentally.

3) The New York Giants clearly play football games.

So from a mental standpoint both BBI and the New York Giants have a clear methodology to have so much clear mentally.

Except you two.

We all have the clear

Please send $10,000 so we can help you be clear.

From a mental standpoint

Clear?

are going to play better for a new team......for the most part, they are what they are.....

These are the doldrums of the NFL season, and writers have to write something.....players playing great in OTA's, until the season starts......The guy catches everything, except when the season starts.....look how that RB cuts in practice, and watch how he goes down when it isn't his own team mate making the tackle....how did this guy get drafted so late? You'll understand when the season starts.....

This OL sucks.....so chances are new blood may be better than what we have....it could happen.....but when you get other team's castoffs, or hope to kick a long one, with a late round pick, it all comes down to luck.....

Even with the shortcomings of this OL, this offense will be better, because Eli will have more options on offense this year....hopefully we have TE's/FB's that don't allow linebackers to blow up the play before this OL gets going.....

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is why DJ Fluker didn't just stop in Canton, Ohio instead of coming to Jersey?

Yawn. Good try though.

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You are so far off base. 1) BBI has a clear methodology from a mental standpoint. That's why so many posters are clearly from the New York Area. 2) What's more many many of the BBI posters are also very clearly fans of the New York Football Giants So BBI is clearly clear mentally. 3) The New York Giants clearly play football games. So from a mental standpoint both BBI and the New York Giants have a clear methodology to have so much clear mentally. Except you two. We all have the clear Please send $10,000 so we can help you be clear. From a mental standpoint Clear?

I think so!

You're a Nigerian Prince, right?

In comment 13489455 Bill2 said:

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You are so far off base. 1) BBI has a clear methodology from a mental standpoint. That's why so many posters are clearly from the New York Area. 2) What's more many many of the BBI posters are also very clearly fans of the New York Football Giants So BBI is clearly clear mentally. 3) The New York Giants clearly play football games. So from a mental standpoint both BBI and the New York Giants have a clear methodology to have so much clear mentally. Except you two. We all have the clear Please send $10,000 so we can help you be clear. From a mental standpoint Clear?

I might be wrong, but I might sense some sarcasm here. (which by the way is a common methodology of many BBI'ers.)

D.J. Fluker went to Alabama.

They call Alabama the Crimson Tide.

Call me Deacon Blues.

Deacon Blues.

Are we clear now?

...but D.J. Fluker's remarks about his former team should have stayed behind his teeth.

There's an old saying, "Don't bad mouth a former employer."

I'll add to that in the case of Fluker,

"Don't bad mouth a former employer when you sucked as an employee."

So far, he's a first round (11th pick) draft bust.

In comment 13489551 M.S. said:

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...but D.J. Fluker's remarks about his former team should have stayed behind his teeth. There's an old saying, "Don't bad mouth a former employer." I'll add to that in the case of Fluker, "Don't bad mouth a former employer when you sucked as an employee." So far, he's a first round (11th pick) draft bust.

Well, it is the Chargers. Whether Fluker is a bust or not is separate from the fact that they're a crummy franchise. Hell, one year ago they were engaged in a public feud with their top draft pick over nickels and dimes.

is the key to success, you know finding the right atmosphere.

Kick in the fact that the Giants also seem to run plays and have terminology very similar to Fluker's college days, this is a can't miss..

He likes the Giants, didnt like the Chargers. Flowers sucked enough last year that anyone who played T last season could compete to take his job away. Fluker is gonna wreck shit as a Guard or a T. The Guy is talking good about the Giants, why shit on him? Bust? A first round RT? What do you expect? The Giants would not sign a guy who they thought was a bust. Cant wait to see what he can do with a better organization and better coaching.

Giants usually have good results with their free agent signings on the Oline when they're able to remain healthy. We'll see with Fluker.

[q]reading the OP. Junc just can't get out of his own way, always has to throw in just pure bullshit just for the sake of making himself sound like an insider.
His posts in other threads are great too. He can't ever talk like a normal fan. So he posts stuff like this[q/]

The man Qualifies every statement with "I think" there's nothing dogmatic or intrusive or claims inside or special knowledge - just the opposite. I think he states a qualified reasonable opinion that makes great fodder for discussion and probably valid to boot.
There's a nasty mentality here, a mindset that's got to nitpit and find something to latch on to, embellish and denigrate. In High School there were always "rankers", guys who elvated themselves by putting other's down.
I don't know the history because I don't look at names, but I'm inclined to bet that the worst critics seldom do an OP.

Take more time to develop, especially players on the offensive and defensive lines. I think we are going to see a significantly better offensive line this season, I believe that Flowers, Hart, and Fluker will all show a marked improvement. I have a lot more faith in Flowers and Fluker turning it around then Hart, but the Giants seem to like Hart, and he is working hard this off season, something that is a must for a player to turn his career around. All three of these guys are working their butts off, and the raw talent is there for Flowers and Fluker.

And Jane came by with a lock of your hair
She said that you gave it to her
That night that you planned to go clear
Did you ever go clear?
Sincerely, L. Cohen - ( New Window )

Fine but the Giants line has been a problem for years. I'm not giving either the benefit of the doubt based on history. Show it. Then we can talk.

Reese probably should have tried to steal away other Charger offensive lineman and turned them into superstars once they put on NYG helmet...

tends to be a bit frugal, are they really a bad franchise?
Most likely, they are not good to work for. I don't understand
that scouting report info. or lack thereof.
If you are going to throw something out there, don't leave it at, being very vague.

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Alabama under Nick Saban who tastes the f#cking grass before games and leaves no stone unturned. Hard coaching. Attention to detail. Clear communication. Commitment to winning from the AD down.

Hey look - a college coach with an attention to detail. Most of those guys just lollygag through the year!

This dude is such a strange poster - with the affirmative comments about how people think to special needs players to now dissecting Nick Saban's eating habits.

Maybe eating grass makes one the GOAT!

and see the thing for what it really is, a sports interview not based on facts. I hope Fluker works out to be a really good O linemen but at this point there has to be a good reason the Chargers let him walk, especially in a league where good O linemen are so hard to get....

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and see the thing for what it really is, a sports interview not based on facts. I hope Fluker works out to be a really good O linemen but at this point there has to be a good reason the Chargers let him walk, especially in a league where good O linemen are so hard to get....

They liked him enough to pick up the 5th year option after year three, but after year four they decided he wasn't worth the $8.8M in salary he was due. I like his chances with the Giants. It will be an interesting battle between him and Jerry this year.

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tends to be a bit frugal, are they really a bad franchise? Most likely, they are not good to work for. I don't understand that scouting report info. or lack thereof. If you are going to throw something out there, don't leave it at, being very vague.

Frugal=/=cheap

Just the fact that they wanted to swindle a public money stadium out of the city and used the threat of the franchise moving away demonstrates how good of a franchise it is.

could you please clarify?

I'm a little muddy today.

In comment 13489455 Bill2 said:

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You are so far off base. 1) BBI has a clear methodology from a mental standpoint. That's why so many posters are clearly from the New York Area. 2) What's more many many of the BBI posters are also very clearly fans of the New York Football Giants So BBI is clearly clear mentally. 3) The New York Giants clearly play football games. So from a mental standpoint both BBI and the New York Giants have a clear methodology to have so much clear mentally. Except you two. We all have the clear Please send $10,000 so we can help you be clear. From a mental standpoint Clear?

This made me laugh. Thanks.

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The man Qualifies every statement with "I think" there's nothing dogmatic or intrusive or claims inside or special knowledge - just the opposite.

You know what? That's actually a fair point.

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In comment 13489615 grizz299 said: Quote: The man Qualifies every statement with "I think" there's nothing dogmatic or intrusive or claims inside or special knowledge - just the opposite. You know what? That's actually a fair point.

He didnt qualify his statement about Anthony Davis with "i think."

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In comment 13491130 santacruzom said: Quote: In comment 13489615 grizz299 said: Quote: The man Qualifies every statement with "I think" there's nothing dogmatic or intrusive or claims inside or special knowledge - just the opposite. You know what? That's actually a fair point. He didnt qualify his statement about Anthony Davis with "i think."

Okay. But he did here, so....

"Not going any further" isn't generally something you say unless you either can go further, or think you can.

pretty definitive to me.

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I will just leave it at that. Not going any deeper, but there are things about his "make up" that lends to him having certain needs

Putting the whole thing about saying somebody this fuckwad has no clue about has "special needs", let's look at the history of numerous statements that weren't "I think" scenarios.

The assertion that there was an incident at halftime of the Giants-Bears game years ago - an assertion that was challenged and never answered. The definitive assertion that signing Anthony Davis was IMMINENT, even though the guy wasn't even reinstated, and it clearly never even came close to happening. The definitive assertion that Carlos Emmons shied away from contact because he was a "pussy" instead of protecting a dislocated shoulder.

Fool us once shame on you - fool us a ton of times and continue to post affirmative statements without evidence, well shame on us. There's no shame here.

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pretty definitive to me. Quote: I will just leave it at that. Not going any deeper, but there are things about his "make up" that lends to him having certain needs Putting the whole thing about saying somebody this fuckwad has no clue about has "special needs", let's look at the history of numerous statements that weren't "I think" scenarios. The assertion that there was an incident at halftime of the Giants-Bears game years ago - an assertion that was challenged and never answered. The definitive assertion that signing Anthony Davis was IMMINENT, even though the guy wasn't even reinstated, and it clearly never even came close to happening. The definitive assertion that Carlos Emmons shied away from contact because he was a "pussy" instead of protecting a dislocated shoulder. Fool us once shame on you - fool us a ton of times and continue to post affirmative statements without evidence, well shame on us. There's no shame here.

"I won't go into it further" translated is "I have nothing of sunstance to support my assertion.

I also love how he thought the parallel of Saban being his college coach and Belichick also being interested in him justified his position.

How many great OL come out of BAMA? Thry are like Michigan running backs. Bama always has the biggest amd baddest guys to fill the OL. And DL. They over power lesser athletes for the most part. There is nothing impressive about Saban's lineage of coaching up offensive players. He has the biggest, best athletes on the OL. On D is a different story.

Belichick was probably looking at Fluker for depth. Due diligence.

Look, I am very happy we grabbed Fluker mostly because at the very least he adds some beastliness to the OL where he at least will be less likely to get pushed back into the backfield and that I dont have to see Marshall Newhouse's dumb butt and dumb face every week. I am hopeful that he will come back as a stronger player with a new coach and all. But area junc and his stupid prognostications that are ended with "I wont go further" is a loser looking for attention.

Just leave junc. Nobody likes you. This is a two page thread of people clowning your thoughts and your posts.