One strike and he's out, considering his past issues.
Of all the vets on the roster, Lewis might be the one who could least afford a false step. Carrying him was a risk all along, and only worth it if he kept completely clean.
One strike and he's out, considering his past issues.
Of all the vets on the roster, Lewis might be the one who could least afford a false step. Carrying him was a risk all along, and only worth it if he kept completely clean.
Trye, but this staff has shown a history of giving extra chances if the talent is there...
And they obviously see a lot of promise considering the signing bonus they gave him last year... he also flashed quite a bit last year...
Don't overlook Travis Rudolph, one of only two Giant UDFAs to receive any guaranteed cash. Or, assuming Lewis is eventually dropped, the Giants could use that roster spot on the oft-discussed fourth TE.
Have fun trying to resurrect your career elsewhere Roger.
The constant bringing up the boat is so damn tired. Was David Diehl on a boat before he drunkenly plowed through other cars?
The only thing the "boat party guys" did differently than players have been doing for a very long time was be dumb enough to involve social media. Let it go.
He was accused of two separate rapes in high school. He didn't make the grades out of HS for Ohio State and ended up at Bowling Green. He was on the boat trip, even though he had accomplished nothing in NFL yet. And he appears close with OBJ, and not the type of guy I want around OBJ.
Good riddance. King has always looked better than him IMO anyway.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
It doesn't.
Feel free to continue bringing it up, though. Let's see if we can keep beating this dead horse all the way into the 2017 season!
I keep my mouth shut when people on here mock the Cowboys when they get a player pinched. We are blind if we think our players are not out there doing the same thing. Its just a matter if you get caught. What a dumb dumb.
He could receive a 2-game suspension for a DUI, it says nothing about an OVI (i'm guessing the same). But is also says the NFL has relaxed its Marijuana discipline for a first time offense, which now lands a player in the substance abuse program without a suspension. SB Nation - ( New Window )
refuses to acknowledge that the boat trip was a big deal or even a mistake.
I simply implied that given Lewis's presence on that trip and on that boat, it's hardly a shock that the guy basically threw his Giants career away due to drugs.
Now what I'm also saying is that if you are denying that simple connection, you are either dumb or an over-sensitive blind Beckham fanboy (there are a lot of them here) once again downplaying the decision that he and the other WRs made in going there.
in between "watching tape and studying plays" as you put it (even though that's probably what the majority of successful veteran players would be doing the Monday before a playoff game)
AND
Creating a mess of a PR situation by posting "look at me" videos to your social media on a boat full of drugs with other celebrity deadbeats.
Defend the boat all you want. Doesn't change at all the fact that I originally said this comes as no surprise.
I keep my mouth shut when people on here mock the Cowboys when they get a player pinched. We are blind if we think our players are not out there doing the same thing. Its just a matter if you get caught. What a dumb dumb.
Getting caught is the point of distinction. You have to be really dumb to get caught. There's a very good chance many of the top players in the league partake. They're not so dumb as to get caught.
Lewis was in legal trouble before he even came here.
He didn't become a different guy because he went on a boat.
So, again... this is completely unrelated to the boat or Odell Beckham, but guys like you, who have trouble letting things go or moving past things, will keep clinging to it.
Have fun trying to resurrect your career elsewhere Roger.
The constant bringing up the boat is so damn tired. Was David Diehl on a boat before he drunkenly plowed through other cars?
The only thing the "boat party guys" did differently than players have been doing for a very long time was be dumb enough to involve social media. Let it go.
The thing that WAS different about the "boat party guys" was that they, as a group, failed to have even a decent game the upcoming playoff game. Eli played very well and the WR, as a group, let the Giants down. When you fail on a large stage, you open up yourself to second guessing.
If they had preformed, no one would have said a single thing. But they FAILED!
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
Roger Lewis Jr had character red flags and sex crime allegations pre-draft.
But yes, Odell Beckham going on a day trip 7 days before a game is poisoning the younger part of the roster.
He was on the bubble before and still is. His big problem last year was the drops which (hopefully) presumably he worked on in the off season. He seemed to get open regularly but dropped too many balls. That is correctable. Also, he's a very good ST player which is a requirement for your 4, 5th WR. And, I don't remember if Dwayne Harris took a pay cut but even if he did, I think the team would get rid of him if others would pick up the slack and Lewis could help in that role. This is a stupid move by Lewis but maybe it'll be a wake up call. I don't think it'll affect his chances of making the team; he'll have to step up his game to do that anyway.
Of all the players on the roster as of today that could have gotten pinched for drugs, I'm least surprised by the fact it's one of the few guys who decided to put themselves in that position just a few short months ago.
odor of weed on him doesn't make him guilty
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I remember as a non smoker coming home from clubs back in the day and reeking of cigarette smoke
I was smoking, but I didn't inhale.....
You can easily get high from secondary MJ smoking, in close quarters, without actually smoking.....everyone knows that....a player can always cop out by saying he didn't smoke, but he knows the effect of being in a place that where everyone is smoking MJ.....
Many years ago, a friend of mine, who doesn't smoke at all, went to bachelor party, that was pretty wild, and he came home higher than a kite(they had to drive him home), and his wife wouldn't believe him, that he wasn't smoking MJ....especially after he raided the 'fridge.....
Of all the players on the roster as of today that could have gotten pinched for drugs, I'm least surprised by the fact it's one of the few guys who decided to put themselves in that position just a few short months ago.
You could just say... "hey, it's not that surprising that a guy that had a few red flags before he got here is in hot water again"...
The boat has nothing to do with this. You brought it up.
Beckham, Cruz, and Shepard were all there too.. doesn't seem like any of them have had any issues with drugs since. Maybe Roger Lewis is just not the smartest dude and wasn't well before the boat trip ever happened?
And if Rudolph were ever found on the streets at 4 am, it would probably be because he's delivering groceries to impaired old ladies. That guy's the off-field opposite of Lewis.
Police Report says officer found .2 grams of marijuana
he knew what he had at stake with limited reps and performance last year and pulls this amateur horseshit. Being an alum, I was pulling for the kid and believed he could have contributed. Not now, you're an idiot Lewis knowing what was at stake and being part of that gig in Florida. Now you can bullshit your way through life on $400,000 with no degree and a hand full of pictures to keep you company. Don't spend it all in one place.
RE: The NYG boat party may be the single greatest cause-effect incident
the cops smelled weed in the car. What are the going odds that his days as a Giant are numbered?
Did they find any weed tho?
It has been reported since that the found a little. It doesn't really matter though, because the NFL will drug test him now; marijuana supposedly stays in you system for several weeks.
sadly he was more impactful than Cruz was last year
Ummm...no, he wasn't.
Cruz: 72 targets, 39 receptions, 586 yards, 1 TD, 15.0 YPR, long of 48 yards, 54.2 catch%
Lewis: 19 targets, 7 receptions, 97 yards, 2 TD, 13.9 YPR, long of 30 yards, 36.8 catch%
Ummm, yeah he was. We they started giving him more of Cruz's snaps in the last 1/4 of the season and int he playoffs, he helped open up the middle of the field because he was able to get deep down the seam and stretch the field. Cruz couldn't and they had nowhere to throw but into traffic. Christ this is NOT fucking fantasy football.
What I said was that it's not surprising that one of the guys on the boat is now in trouble with drugs.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
If a defender gets suspended are you going to tie it back to hanging around Landon Collins and partying the same time the boat party was going on?
Don't worry - it's rhetorical. The same people who are making boat gate out to be a "huge" issue conveniently overlook that the defense had a larger party, reportedly with a lot of substances floating around, yet because they didn't do it with a rapper in Miami and have pictures circulating, they were ultra-focused and the WR's are a shit show.
Then, you have people talking about Odell's drops in the playoff game and nary a word about the defense giving up 38 points. There are two narratives there and both are idiotic and useless to further.
Tavares king passed him on the depth chart last season
The only mistake they made was putting it out there on social media and letting the vultures pick it apart.
If you think NFL players spend all of their free time watching tape or studying plays, you probably shouldn't be calling other people dumb.
OMG, you can say what you want about that trip but the fact is they did it and played like shit! Maybe not related but kind of hard to ignore though.
OMG!
So... I did say what I wanted about that trip.
I don't think it had anything to do with what happened nearly a week later. It's like going out to dinner on a Saturday night and saying you are too full to eat because you overdid it @ breakfast on Monday morning.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
I agree with Torrag that King had passed him on the depth chart, but Lewis looked good in OTAs FWIW.
The Giants will wait for the "dust to settle" before deciding what to do. But he's a "bubble" player, and they are still smarting from the "Will Hill" fiasco.
Lewis being released is most likely to help Powe, Tye, or LaCosse, but it could easily be someone less obvious who plays completely different position.
Choosing to smoke and getting yourself arrested for driving high are two separate things, no? I know you'd like to chalk this up to The Man trampling on the rights of the poor, persecuted pot smoker but that's not really the case here. I absolutely believe people should have the freedom to choose when it comes to weed. I don't believe they should be reckless jackasses who can endanger the lives of others. If you can't discern the difference you might wanna put down the bong for a few days.
No one wants to hang Lewis for smoking weed. But as the team learned with Will Hill, it doesn't matter how talented a player is, they are of no use if the team cannot rely on them to be available to play on game day; particularly when it is their own behavior that is preventing them from seeing the field.
but many of you are misinterpreting his comments. It doesn't sound like he's claiming a causal relationship (that because someone was on the boat, they're now more likely to smoke weed).
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
but many of you are misinterpreting his comments. It doesn't sound like he's claiming a causal relationship (that because someone was on the boat, they're now more likely to smoke weed).
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
Right. Because the average 22-25 year old has never had exposure to marijuana. Never saw it, smoked it, saw it smoked and in fact had no friends who used it.
Lewis was stupid. For smoking for driving impaired and to be carry any illegal substance. Of this there is little doubt.
It has nothing to do with the boat. I my eyes Chris684 was stirring a little shit. It was noticed and returned. His comment should be taken as shit stirring and not be defended.
but many of you are misinterpreting his comments. It doesn't sound like he's claiming a causal relationship (that because someone was on the boat, they're now more likely to smoke weed).
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
Or, it could just be that he was so ridiculously bothered by the entire boat thing (as some fans are), and is still reaching for ways to blame it for anything negative that has gone on since.
Sterling Shepard "put himself in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed" too, but Sterling Shepard hasn't gotten into any legal trouble since because maybe he's just smart enough to not do anything that would get him into legal trouble? Ditto Cruz or Beckham.
It would have been much easier to simply cite that RLJr had some red flags before he came here and may not have the strongest character or best restraint and thus, say that it's not too surprising that this happened. Instead, this guy decided to blame the fucking boat again.
Maybe keep him around in case we have injuries, but when last cut down comes, if all is well........get out! Actually, looked a little too nervous, dropped passes. Was not that impressive, and with his background, it is time to leave.
RE: RE: Police Report says officer found .2 grams of marijuana
He didn't have an amazing year. He's not a star player. He has talent, but he's no sure thing.
Also, don't discount the handling of the Josh Brown incident last year, and how the failure to act early led to a massive public backlash. Of course that topic was an order of magnitude worse. The implications of hurting other people vs. just hurting yourself (Lewis in this case), but the sting of that may impact how this is thought of. If I'm the coaching staff at a minimum he dropped on the depth chart.
While there's a vast difference in the quality of the player, think about how many chances Will Hill got before the front office decided that the trouble wasn't worth the talent, and he was such a knucklehead they put up with multiple suspensions.
I think he was about as good as you could expect for a late rookie, but the WR roster is pretty full of guys underneath the top 3 that are just begging for more snaps.
In camp, he's not as explosive as King, won't unseat anyone ahead of him and he doesn't do much on specials. I don't see very much out of him athletically, he's a fringe roster guy at best.
Not saying that Lewis couldn't have been guilty of smoking weed, but I've known cops to use that line about the "smell of weed" as justification to search a car without reasonable cause.
RE: RE: Police Report says officer found .2 grams of marijuana
I'm in Kuwait but what is the deal are police stationed at every corner to catch these guys so frequently? Or do they have mobile road check points as we do here in Kuwait? What is it that makes weed so important in these guys lives plus the 4 in the morning when practice is at 9 or so just can't feel sorry for these guys at all anymore.
What I said was that it's not surprising that one of the guys on the boat is now in trouble with drugs.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
If a defender gets suspended are you going to tie it back to hanging around Landon Collins and partying the same time the boat party was going on?
Don't worry - it's rhetorical. The same people who are making boat gate out to be a "huge" issue conveniently overlook that the defense had a larger party, reportedly with a lot of substances floating around, yet because they didn't do it with a rapper in Miami and have pictures circulating, they were ultra-focused and the WR's are a shit show.
Then, you have people talking about Odell's drops in the playoff game and nary a word about the defense giving up 38 points. There are two narratives there and both are idiotic and useless to further.
Did not know this about the defense..or are you being facetious?
I don't like to be negative before camp even starts, but
Lewis Powe and King had a huge opportunity to shine last season and none got a starting nod. How much chance will the get this year with Marshall and Engram added? I'd put them all on the bubble, including Harris.
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
RE: I don't like to be negative before camp even starts, but
Lewis Powe and King had a huge opportunity to shine last season and none got a starting nod. How much chance will the get this year with Marshall and Engram added? I'd put them all on the bubble, including Harris.
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
This is why I think the Giants roll with only five WRs on the 53 man roster this year (with another two on the practice squad). And the five includes Harris because of his special teams value.
RE: RE: I don't like to be negative before camp even starts, but
Lewis Powe and King had a huge opportunity to shine last season and none got a starting nod. How much chance will the get this year with Marshall and Engram added? I'd put them all on the bubble, including Harris.
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
This is why I think the Giants roll with only five WRs on the 53 man roster this year (with another two on the practice squad). And the five includes Harris because of his special teams value.
The 2011 Packers kept only five WRs on their roster. Could be the 2017 Giants do the same, especially with a versatile kid like Engram in the fold.
He was pulled over because they thought he was drunk
And then he declined the breathalyzer. The weed was found after pulling him over and likely not the factor here. Why people are focusing on just the weed I don't know.
NY Giants' Roger Lewis Arrested For OVI ... Cops Smell Weed - ( New Window )
Of all the vets on the roster, Lewis might be the one who could least afford a false step. Carrying him was a risk all along, and only worth it if he kept completely clean.
Have fun trying to resurrect your career elsewhere Roger.
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Strike 1
One strike and he's out, considering his past issues.
Of all the vets on the roster, Lewis might be the one who could least afford a false step. Carrying him was a risk all along, and only worth it if he kept completely clean.
Trye, but this staff has shown a history of giving extra chances if the talent is there...
And they obviously see a lot of promise considering the signing bonus they gave him last year... he also flashed quite a bit last year...
How stupid do you have to be when you know you are on the bubble?
Anyway, this is great news for King who know has a clear advantage in hanging on to his roster spot.
Beckham, Marshall, Shep, Harris, King..
And I'm now officially rooting for the kid Rudolph from FSU to take the last spot. Easy guy to root for.
Have fun trying to resurrect your career elsewhere Roger.
The constant bringing up the boat is so damn tired. Was David Diehl on a boat before he drunkenly plowed through other cars?
The only thing the "boat party guys" did differently than players have been doing for a very long time was be dumb enough to involve social media. Let it go.
Good riddance. King has always looked better than him IMO anyway.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
It doesn't.
Feel free to continue bringing it up, though. Let's see if we can keep beating this dead horse all the way into the 2017 season!
You can't teach speed!!!!!!!
Snead needs lots and lots of work but his speed would serve as a terrific complement to the rest of the receiving corps
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I simply implied that given Lewis's presence on that trip and on that boat, it's hardly a shock that the guy basically threw his Giants career away due to drugs.
Now what I'm also saying is that if you are denying that simple connection, you are either dumb or an over-sensitive blind Beckham fanboy (there are a lot of them here) once again downplaying the decision that he and the other WRs made in going there.
The only mistake they made was putting it out there on social media and letting the vultures pick it apart.
If you think NFL players spend all of their free time watching tape or studying plays, you probably shouldn't be calling other people dumb.
Did they find any weed tho?
AND
Creating a mess of a PR situation by posting "look at me" videos to your social media on a boat full of drugs with other celebrity deadbeats.
Defend the boat all you want. Doesn't change at all the fact that I originally said this comes as no surprise.
There is nothing to debate.
Getting caught is the point of distinction. You have to be really dumb to get caught. There's a very good chance many of the top players in the league partake. They're not so dumb as to get caught.
So, again... this is completely unrelated to the boat or Odell Beckham, but guys like you, who have trouble letting things go or moving past things, will keep clinging to it.
Tavarres King deserves to be the #4 going into camp anyway. The guy has actually made big plays in huge spots for the Giants.
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This comes as a big shock!
Have fun trying to resurrect your career elsewhere Roger.
The constant bringing up the boat is so damn tired. Was David Diehl on a boat before he drunkenly plowed through other cars?
The only thing the "boat party guys" did differently than players have been doing for a very long time was be dumb enough to involve social media. Let it go.
The thing that WAS different about the "boat party guys" was that they, as a group, failed to have even a decent game the upcoming playoff game. Eli played very well and the WR, as a group, let the Giants down. When you fail on a large stage, you open up yourself to second guessing.
If they had preformed, no one would have said a single thing. But they FAILED!
I hope most of you hold yourselves to the same level of accountability as you hold on to others. JFC
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
Roger Lewis Jr had character red flags and sex crime allegations pre-draft.
But yes, Odell Beckham going on a day trip 7 days before a game is poisoning the younger part of the roster.
What I said was that it's not surprising that one of the guys on the boat is now in trouble with drugs.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
The rah-rah Beckham crowd (presumably) told me that there is nothing to see there and move on.
The over protection of Odell Beckham on BBI is very funny. I did not say anything about him as it relates to Roger Lewis.
You don't think he had ever been around it before then or couldn't possibly have decided to be around it afterwards?
I mean.. there's reaching, and there's... this.
Of all the players on the roster as of today that could have gotten pinched for drugs, I'm least surprised by the fact it's one of the few guys who decided to put themselves in that position just a few short months ago.
What I said was that it's not surprising that one of the guys on the boat is now in trouble with drugs.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
The rah-rah Beckham crowd (presumably) told me that there is nothing to see there and move on.
The over protection of Odell Beckham on BBI is very funny. I did not say anything about him as it relates to Roger Lewis.
The only reason for Beckham to even be mentioned here is to try to manufacture a narrative. You didn't have to say it.
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I remember as a non smoker coming home from clubs back in the day and reeking of cigarette smoke
I was smoking, but I didn't inhale.....
You can easily get high from secondary MJ smoking, in close quarters, without actually smoking.....everyone knows that....a player can always cop out by saying he didn't smoke, but he knows the effect of being in a place that where everyone is smoking MJ.....
Many years ago, a friend of mine, who doesn't smoke at all, went to bachelor party, that was pretty wild, and he came home higher than a kite(they had to drive him home), and his wife wouldn't believe him, that he wasn't smoking MJ....especially after he raided the 'fridge.....
Of all the players on the roster as of today that could have gotten pinched for drugs, I'm least surprised by the fact it's one of the few guys who decided to put themselves in that position just a few short months ago.
You could just say... "hey, it's not that surprising that a guy that had a few red flags before he got here is in hot water again"...
The boat has nothing to do with this. You brought it up.
Beckham, Cruz, and Shepard were all there too.. doesn't seem like any of them have had any issues with drugs since. Maybe Roger Lewis is just not the smartest dude and wasn't well before the boat trip ever happened?
Crazy thought!
And if Rudolph were ever found on the streets at 4 am, it would probably be because he's delivering groceries to impaired old ladies. That guy's the off-field opposite of Lewis.
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You don't strike me as a bright guy. If Sterling Shepard got pulled over, was it because he was in a boat too?
Ummm...no, he wasn't.
Cruz: 72 targets, 39 receptions, 586 yards, 1 TD, 15.0 YPR, long of 48 yards, 54.2 catch%
Lewis: 19 targets, 7 receptions, 97 yards, 2 TD, 13.9 YPR, long of 30 yards, 36.8 catch%
Hehehe.
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the cops smelled weed in the car. What are the going odds that his days as a Giant are numbered?
Did they find any weed tho?
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sadly he was more impactful than Cruz was last year
Ummm...no, he wasn't.
Cruz: 72 targets, 39 receptions, 586 yards, 1 TD, 15.0 YPR, long of 48 yards, 54.2 catch%
Lewis: 19 targets, 7 receptions, 97 yards, 2 TD, 13.9 YPR, long of 30 yards, 36.8 catch%
Ummm, yeah he was. We they started giving him more of Cruz's snaps in the last 1/4 of the season and int he playoffs, he helped open up the middle of the field because he was able to get deep down the seam and stretch the field. Cruz couldn't and they had nowhere to throw but into traffic. Christ this is NOT fucking fantasy football.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
If a defender gets suspended are you going to tie it back to hanging around Landon Collins and partying the same time the boat party was going on?
Don't worry - it's rhetorical. The same people who are making boat gate out to be a "huge" issue conveniently overlook that the defense had a larger party, reportedly with a lot of substances floating around, yet because they didn't do it with a rapper in Miami and have pictures circulating, they were ultra-focused and the WR's are a shit show.
Then, you have people talking about Odell's drops in the playoff game and nary a word about the defense giving up 38 points. There are two narratives there and both are idiotic and useless to further.
The only mistake they made was putting it out there on social media and letting the vultures pick it apart.
If you think NFL players spend all of their free time watching tape or studying plays, you probably shouldn't be calling other people dumb.
OMG, you can say what you want about that trip but the fact is they did it and played like shit! Maybe not related but kind of hard to ignore though.
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Because it wasn't a big deal.
The only mistake they made was putting it out there on social media and letting the vultures pick it apart.
If you think NFL players spend all of their free time watching tape or studying plays, you probably shouldn't be calling other people dumb.
OMG, you can say what you want about that trip but the fact is they did it and played like shit! Maybe not related but kind of hard to ignore though.
OMG!
So... I did say what I wanted about that trip.
I don't think it had anything to do with what happened nearly a week later. It's like going out to dinner on a Saturday night and saying you are too full to eat because you overdid it @ breakfast on Monday morning.
But yet, it is quite easy to ignore the defense's party, right?
Because ignorance is bliss. On so many different levels....
YES -- this is the exact thing that needs to happen.
Cut Lewis to send a message to the rest of the team. No character issues needed...football is your job, winning championships is the focus.
It could only get worse from there. Lets just hope it was second hand smoke for his sake.
One of the guys who was partying on a boat with celebrities while pretty much everyone else was doing drugs is now...in trouble for drugs and people can't make a connection?
This is a team issue, as in it now weakens camp competition at the WR spot.
But let's not bring up the boat stuff...has nothing to do with any of this.
I'll say it plainly - you are a jackass.
I agree with Torrag that King had passed him on the depth chart, but Lewis looked good in OTAs FWIW.
The Giants will wait for the "dust to settle" before deciding what to do. But he's a "bubble" player, and they are still smarting from the "Will Hill" fiasco.
Lewis being released is most likely to help Powe, Tye, or LaCosse, but it could easily be someone less obvious who plays completely different position.
King dominated in preseason and deserved to play, as he showed when he finally got a chance.
What nonsense.
What nonsense.
Choosing to smoke and getting yourself arrested for driving high are two separate things, no? I know you'd like to chalk this up to The Man trampling on the rights of the poor, persecuted pot smoker but that's not really the case here. I absolutely believe people should have the freedom to choose when it comes to weed. I don't believe they should be reckless jackasses who can endanger the lives of others. If you can't discern the difference you might wanna put down the bong for a few days.
What nonsense.
Maybe this thread should be consolidated with the opiod crisis thread.
Maybe this thread should be consolidated with the opiod crisis thread.
Please don't lump us all in with the lunatic crew.
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sadly he was more impactful than Cruz was last year
Ummm...no, he wasn't.
Cruz: 72 targets, 39 receptions, 586 yards, 1 TD, 15.0 YPR, long of 48 yards, 54.2 catch%
Lewis: 19 targets, 7 receptions, 97 yards, 2 TD, 13.9 YPR, long of 30 yards, 36.8 catch%
Victor and Carl in CT....keeping BBI dumb....again.
Maybe this thread should be consolidated with the opiod crisis thread.
Yeah, and you're either a Beckham fanboy or just flat out dumb if you don't realize it.
Right!! .2 grams is basically dust. That has to be 2grams and not .2
Ok?
-David Tyree
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
Right. Because the average 22-25 year old has never had exposure to marijuana. Never saw it, smoked it, saw it smoked and in fact had no friends who used it.
Lewis was stupid. For smoking for driving impaired and to be carry any illegal substance. Of this there is little doubt.
It has nothing to do with the boat. I my eyes Chris684 was stirring a little shit. It was noticed and returned. His comment should be taken as shit stirring and not be defended.
He was still stupid to have it.
Rather, it sounds like it doesn't surprise him that a player who would put themselves in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed would also put himself in his current position.
Sounds like it would be more surprising to Chris if, say, OVI reports of King were surfacing today.
Or, it could just be that he was so ridiculously bothered by the entire boat thing (as some fans are), and is still reaching for ways to blame it for anything negative that has gone on since.
Sterling Shepard "put himself in a position to have pictures taken of him while others were smoking weed" too, but Sterling Shepard hasn't gotten into any legal trouble since because maybe he's just smart enough to not do anything that would get him into legal trouble? Ditto Cruz or Beckham.
It would have been much easier to simply cite that RLJr had some red flags before he came here and may not have the strongest character or best restraint and thus, say that it's not too surprising that this happened. Instead, this guy decided to blame the fucking boat again.
I'm not missing the point, I'm illustrating how much you're reaching to try and make one.
i do hope this doesnt wreck his career.
buuuuut i would issue him his walking papers
Way to lump the entire membership of BBI into one bucket. That's not how I saw it, and if you asked most BBIers, probably not how they saw it either.
.2 grams???
Was he rolling a joint for a hamster?
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.2 grams???
Was he rolling a joint for a hamster?
Also, don't discount the handling of the Josh Brown incident last year, and how the failure to act early led to a massive public backlash. Of course that topic was an order of magnitude worse. The implications of hurting other people vs. just hurting yourself (Lewis in this case), but the sting of that may impact how this is thought of. If I'm the coaching staff at a minimum he dropped on the depth chart.
They might cut Lewis straight away.
I think he was about as good as you could expect for a late rookie, but the WR roster is pretty full of guys underneath the top 3 that are just begging for more snaps.
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.2 grams???
Was he rolling a joint for a hamster?
What was he getting high on? His imagination?
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What I said was that it's not surprising that one of the guys on the boat is now in trouble with drugs.
Seems to make plenty of sense.
If a defender gets suspended are you going to tie it back to hanging around Landon Collins and partying the same time the boat party was going on?
Don't worry - it's rhetorical. The same people who are making boat gate out to be a "huge" issue conveniently overlook that the defense had a larger party, reportedly with a lot of substances floating around, yet because they didn't do it with a rapper in Miami and have pictures circulating, they were ultra-focused and the WR's are a shit show.
Then, you have people talking about Odell's drops in the playoff game and nary a word about the defense giving up 38 points. There are two narratives there and both are idiotic and useless to further.
Did not know this about the defense..or are you being facetious?
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
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Lewis Powe and King had a huge opportunity to shine last season and none got a starting nod. How much chance will the get this year with Marshall and Engram added? I'd put them all on the bubble, including Harris.
We have 3 NFL starting wide outs. I have yet to see real proof that any of the others have the potential to start.
This is why I think the Giants roll with only five WRs on the 53 man roster this year (with another two on the practice squad). And the five includes Harris because of his special teams value.
The 2011 Packers kept only five WRs on their roster. Could be the 2017 Giants do the same, especially with a versatile kid like Engram in the fold.