You pay OBJ what he is worth (AB/Julio money). And hope for the best. He is a once in 20/30 years talent. Best Giant since LT. He is also a very good person it seems. And a hard worker. It has been said a million times here but imagine OBJ before the internet - he would be almost perfect (except for the Norman stuff)... and then imagine LT WITH the internet ;-)
Pay the young man... might as well do it now to keep him in blue. I would even sign Landry and Jeremy Hill when they become fa's just to keep him happy.
You pay OBJ what he is worth (AB/Julio money). And hope for the best. He is a once in 20/30 years talent. Best Giant since LT. He is also a very good person it seems. And a hard worker. It has been said a million times here but imagine OBJ before the internet - he would be almost perfect (except for the Norman stuff)... and then imagine LT WITH the internet ;-)
Pay the young man... might as well do it now to keep him in blue. I would even sign Landry and Jeremy Hill when they become fa's just to keep him happy.
even if he doesn't improve on the ridiculously amazing start to his career (i.e. "best ever").
and if he does, we're talking about 1 of the most lethal offensive players in the history of the sport. you don't have to "like" him, but he is an incredible talent and you do what it takes to keep him in a giants uniform.
RE: OBJ likely won't settle for less than being the highest paid WR
but I make it an extension. So, if AB got 5 yrs 72.7 with $19MM in signing bonus, I give OBJ a new contract with 7 yrs 73 MM + 10.5 MM he would have earned over the next two yrs, so total is 7 yrs 83.5 mm with signing bonus of say $20MM. Only guarantees though are the signing bonus and then some incentives that trigger guarantees in the future (like roster bonuses, bonuses for being all-pro or pro-bowl, etc.)
attached is a reminder of the player we're discussing. sometimes even I forget how special he is. it is a privilege to watch him play the sport - even if you don't necessarily "like" him.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball.
You can make arguments for and against. When you pay a guy like JPP, OV, Eli, OBJ...you are making a choice that you are not going to use those $'s someplace else on the roster. Teams that have a good young QB can spend those dollars elsewhere to make the team better.
OBJ has been durable, but if you pay a guy (see Cruz) and he promptly blows out his knee and is done....that hurts your roster. Especially if you paid him before you needed too.
I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
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I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
attached is a reminder of the player we're discussing. sometimes even I forget how special he is. it is a privilege to watch him play the sport - even if you don't necessarily "like" him.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball. ODB Career Highlights - ( New Window )
How many of those plays happened in games the Giants lost? The biggest plays of the 2007 and 2012 Superbowls happens were made by WR's who were average at best. (Big credit goes to Eli)
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I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
That is purely opinion. I'd venture a guess that dumping 25-35% of available cap into 3-4 players is a recipe for disaster.
The Giants will have 40% of available cap dollars tied up in 4 players next year assuming a salary cap of $170M.
Eli 22.2M
JPP 17.5M
OV 17M
JJ 13M
Almost $70M tied up in 4 players. Lets say OBJ is extended and his hit next year is $14M. Almost 50% of your cap space goes to 5 guys. Just split the remaining $86M between 45 guys (top 51 salaries).
I know you can do things to make room...but at some point you have a really imbalanced roster.
The OBJs of the league are easy, it's the next tier of guys that are tougher. Of all our impending free agents, OBJ is the one I'm least concerned with.
You don't pass on an elite talent like OBJ. You just pay him.
I think it is a great question...because it comes down to where you allocate limited $'s to make your team better. Th Giants can certainly sign him and let the chips fall where they may with the rest of the roster. But you become a winning team because of your whole roster...not just because you have OBJ on your team. OBJ can't block for Eli, or keep the opposing team from scoring.
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I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
That is purely opinion. I'd venture a guess that dumping 25-35% of available cap into 3-4 players is a recipe for disaster.
The Giants will have 40% of available cap dollars tied up in 4 players next year assuming a salary cap of $170M.
Eli 22.2M
JPP 17.5M
OV 17M
JJ 13M
Almost $70M tied up in 4 players. Lets say OBJ is extended and his hit next year is $14M. Almost 50% of your cap space goes to 5 guys. Just split the remaining $86M between 45 guys (top 51 salaries).
I know you can do things to make room...but at some point you have a really imbalanced roster.
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Eli is no longer a long-term contract though, so that's part of the consideration.
Let him play out his 5th year option, tag him, tag him again. If he chooses to sit, trade him for a haul.
I love the player, but paying megabucks for a declining asset in a salary cap world is foolish. He's not going to be breaking 70 yard slants every other week when he's 28+. The attrition catches up with everyone. Plus, we will likely be in the hunt for a new qb by that time.
Nothing to do with any of the off field stuff or any diva crap that so many get wrapped up in. Purely from a roster standpoint it's way too much money for a declining player. It's paying for past performance. The second half of his career won't be as productive as his first.
Let him play out his 5th year option, tag him, tag him again. If he chooses to sit, trade him for a haul.
I love the player, but paying megabucks for a declining asset in a salary cap world is foolish. He's not going to be breaking 70 yard slants every other week when he's 28+. The attrition catches up with everyone. Plus, we will likely be in the hunt for a new qb by that time.
Nothing to do with any of the off field stuff or any diva crap that so many get wrapped up in. Purely from a roster standpoint it's way too much money for a declining player. It's paying for past performance. The second half of his career won't be as productive as his first.
That said, I am sure the Giants will pay him.
Declining asset? In addition, do you know how young Beckham is? If Odell got the same exact contract Brown got a year from now, he'd be the same age Brown is today at the end of the deal. Odell would be 29 at the end of a 4 year deal he gets NEXT year.
Your description is a more accurate representation of the Steelers' predicament than the Giants.
Eli is no longer a long-term contract though, so that's part of the consideration.
3 more years if he plays out his contract.
I'm not saying you don't pay OBJ, but if you do...your making a choice not to put money into the team elsewhere. Remember how we were trying to figure out how to pay Nicks and Cruz. Nicks hit the wall before the Giants had to pay him and Cruz got paid and the Giants got NOTHING out of that deal. Imagine if the Giants had paid both.
I am one that questions putting the money that will be needed to secure OBJ into a WR. I don't think an HOF WR is a necessary ingredient to a teams success. Good line play, a competent QB and solid defensive backs are much more important.
attached is a reminder of the player we're discussing. sometimes even I forget how special he is. it is a privilege to watch him play the sport - even if you don't necessarily "like" him.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball. ODB Career Highlights - ( New Window )
How many of those plays happened in games the Giants lost? The biggest plays of the 2007 and 2012 Superbowls happens were made by WR's who were average at best. (Big credit goes to Eli)
Your second paragraph is ridiculous.. 2007 without Plaxico we never get to the Superbowl.. If you don't believe me just look at what happened to Giants without Plax in 2008.. Even when a stud WR doesn't get yards he is useful.. without the 2 starting WR we go 3-11 instead of 7-7 in the first 14 games.. in both of those cases you don't have to worry about playing in the SB without your top WRs.. Last year we definitely lose at least 3 more games without OBJ..
and I would have been secretly shopping him for a package of 2 firsts, a third and a good player since last year.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
and I would have been secretly shopping him for a package of 2 firsts, a third and a good player since last year.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
Cause Antonio Brown has never caused a distraction from social media...
and I would have been secretly shopping him for a package of 2 firsts, a third and a good player since last year.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
Ummm... what?????????????? Are you somehow under the impression that AB hasn't created "distractions" for his team through his use of social media? Heck, the day before the Steelers-Giants game last year, they were BOTH on social media because they were hanging out together. You're just uninformed on that topic.
The problem with comparing JPP to Odell is Odell has been FAR more consistent and productive through his first 3 seasons than JPP was. He's already "earned it".
and I would have been secretly shopping him for a package of 2 firsts, a third and a good player since last year.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
His numbers compared to Browns first three full seasons are comparable, and Brown rode the pine for 3 years learning.
Giants have to keep him with a 2nd deal. If he was in the open market he would get more than Brown. At this point, they should try and save a little and give him a big guaranteed amount ASAP. He's a great player and very young. Get a discount now by give my the guaranteed cash.
and I would have been secretly shopping him for a package of 2 firsts, a third and a good player since last year.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
You lost me with that last sentence.
Compare Beckham's first 3 years to Brown's... one of the two was clearly better. Hint: it's not Brown.
And since when is Antonio Brown a model citizen? He was just in hot water last year for filming his coach and what went on in their locker room and posting it online.
If Beckham did that, people would have crucified him.
Also- remember the absolute no-show in the playoffs. That was a brutal game.
For the record I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay OBJ. He is an all time great talent who has done things on the field that I have NEVER seen before.
What I am saying is that he needs to mature, act more like a professional, and produce in the biggest of games before I shell out a record contract. If he puts up a big year and all I hear about him is the great numbers he puts up, then I open the checkbook. It's up to him. If he wants to be a celebrity he can make tons of $$ hosting parties with Drake in Vegas every weekend. What he can't have in my opinion is both. Learn some discretion and you take the bullseye off of your back.
The good news? He was more than happy to sign his rookie contract so he either plays or doesn't get paid. The team controls the cards on this one.
RE: RE: If they can't discipline him now, how will they be able to
Also- remember the absolute no-show in the playoffs. That was a brutal game.
For the record I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay OBJ. He is an all time great talent who has done things on the field that I have NEVER seen before.
What I am saying is that he needs to mature, act more like a professional, and produce in the biggest of games before I shell out a record contract. If he puts up a big year and all I hear about him is the great numbers he puts up, then I open the checkbook. It's up to him. If he wants to be a celebrity he can make tons of $$ hosting parties with Drake in Vegas every weekend. What he can't have in my opinion is both. Learn some discretion and you take the bullseye off of your back.
The good news? He was more than happy to sign his rookie contract so he either plays or doesn't get paid. The team controls the cards on this one.
Simply put, he just has to grow up. It's a tough decison for the Giants. I'm glad I'm not the GM, I just play one here :-). They could look bad either way. Lock up him early before they've won anything and he continues to act like an idiot , they don't win, and then a young, unestablished QB comes in who he can intimidate, then what happens?
But if they let him go and it causes him to straighten out, grow up and he goes on to become a real winner they will kick themselves forever.
He has the talent to get it but I would let him play out the 5th year, then franchise him maybe twice. He has not shown the maturity. Talent wise he is one of the best, let him go out and show that he can help make the team better.
With OBJ we had a terrible O last year. The prior 2 years we had losing seasons as well. I am not saying it's his fault in any way. But is WR the most important position on the field? His maturity level doesn't warrant a long term deal at this point. I think the Giants should wait it out and see what happens. Make a decision in 2 years to see if we have a QB in place to replace Eli and make a decision then. If he holds out then thats on him, with the Franchise tag he is getting his money just not the long term commitment.
Fans need to check their perspective, if you were willing to pay JPP, pay Pugh, pay a broken down left tackle, then you sure as hell should want to pay your elite weapon on offense.
There is no reason to give him anything right now.
Just like I support a player's right to do everything in their power to get the best deal for themselves they can, I support the team I root for doing what's in its best interest and giving out long term deals with historic for the position guaranteed cash before it has to isn't that.
He can be unhappy about his current deal, but oh well. If he stays healthy, he'll get his in a year or two when it's time for it. He can thank his union for the CBA nuking rookie deals to the extent they were.
There is no reason to give him anything right now.
Just like I support a player's right to do everything in their power to get the best deal for themselves they can, I support the team I root for doing what's in its best interest and giving out long term deals with historic for the position guaranteed cash before it has to isn't that.
He can be unhappy about his current deal, but oh well. If he stays healthy, he'll get his in a year or two when it's time for it. He can thank his union for the CBA nuking rookie deals to the extent they were.
If he does stay healthy and continue on this pace, he'll be even more expensive than it would be if you did it now. This isn't a one-sided situation. There are things to consider on both sides.
is the second coming of Jerry Rice who had a long and fruitful career. You pay him top dollar and keep him in blue.
It's a different landscape now. That was pre-salary cap. No way the 49ers could have kept that team together in todays NFL.
I don't disagree with that. You can't keep everyone, but it seems obvious to me that he's one of your core players going forward. There are not many players on this roster I can see still being here when the Eli era is done.
keep that money. It will grow with interest! We can use it on someone else's UFAs!
This is a no-fucking-brainer. You've got a guy who is a top 5 weapon in the NFL, who is young and clean on lingering injuries. If you're not going to pay OBJ, get out of the business of running a football team.
Why wouldnt you? Guy is the best player we've drafted in decades.
Next question...
Pay the young man... might as well do it now to keep him in blue. I would even sign Landry and Jeremy Hill when they become fa's just to keep him happy.
Pay the young man... might as well do it now to keep him in blue. I would even sign Landry and Jeremy Hill when they become fa's just to keep him happy.
and if he does, we're talking about 1 of the most lethal offensive players in the history of the sport. you don't have to "like" him, but he is an incredible talent and you do what it takes to keep him in a giants uniform.
and he should be.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball.
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OBJ has been durable, but if you pay a guy (see Cruz) and he promptly blows out his knee and is done....that hurts your roster. Especially if you paid him before you needed too.
I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball. ODB Career Highlights - ( New Window )
How many of those plays happened in games the Giants lost? The biggest plays of the 2007 and 2012 Superbowls happens were made by WR's who were average at best. (Big credit goes to Eli)
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I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
That is purely opinion. I'd venture a guess that dumping 25-35% of available cap into 3-4 players is a recipe for disaster.
The Giants will have 40% of available cap dollars tied up in 4 players next year assuming a salary cap of $170M.
Eli 22.2M
JPP 17.5M
OV 17M
JJ 13M
Almost $70M tied up in 4 players. Lets say OBJ is extended and his hit next year is $14M. Almost 50% of your cap space goes to 5 guys. Just split the remaining $86M between 45 guys (top 51 salaries).
I know you can do things to make room...but at some point you have a really imbalanced roster.
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I think it is a great question...because it comes down to where you allocate limited $'s to make your team better. Th Giants can certainly sign him and let the chips fall where they may with the rest of the roster. But you become a winning team because of your whole roster...not just because you have OBJ on your team. OBJ can't block for Eli, or keep the opposing team from scoring.
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I understand the love for OBJ...he is probably going to have a Hall of Fame career. He make the Giants better right now . . . but maybe paying him 18-20M/year will make the Giants worse in the future?
Not paying him will definitely make them worse...or somebody else much better.
That is purely opinion. I'd venture a guess that dumping 25-35% of available cap into 3-4 players is a recipe for disaster.
The Giants will have 40% of available cap dollars tied up in 4 players next year assuming a salary cap of $170M.
Eli 22.2M
JPP 17.5M
OV 17M
JJ 13M
Almost $70M tied up in 4 players. Lets say OBJ is extended and his hit next year is $14M. Almost 50% of your cap space goes to 5 guys. Just split the remaining $86M between 45 guys (top 51 salaries).
I know you can do things to make room...but at some point you have a really imbalanced roster.
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Eli is no longer a long-term contract though, so that's part of the consideration.
I love the player, but paying megabucks for a declining asset in a salary cap world is foolish. He's not going to be breaking 70 yard slants every other week when he's 28+. The attrition catches up with everyone. Plus, we will likely be in the hunt for a new qb by that time.
Nothing to do with any of the off field stuff or any diva crap that so many get wrapped up in. Purely from a roster standpoint it's way too much money for a declining player. It's paying for past performance. The second half of his career won't be as productive as his first.
That said, I am sure the Giants will pay him.
I love the player, but paying megabucks for a declining asset in a salary cap world is foolish. He's not going to be breaking 70 yard slants every other week when he's 28+. The attrition catches up with everyone. Plus, we will likely be in the hunt for a new qb by that time.
Nothing to do with any of the off field stuff or any diva crap that so many get wrapped up in. Purely from a roster standpoint it's way too much money for a declining player. It's paying for past performance. The second half of his career won't be as productive as his first.
That said, I am sure the Giants will pay him.
Declining asset? In addition, do you know how young Beckham is? If Odell got the same exact contract Brown got a year from now, he'd be the same age Brown is today at the end of the deal. Odell would be 29 at the end of a 4 year deal he gets NEXT year.
Your description is a more accurate representation of the Steelers' predicament than the Giants.
Eli is no longer a long-term contract though, so that's part of the consideration.
3 more years if he plays out his contract.
I'm not saying you don't pay OBJ, but if you do...your making a choice not to put money into the team elsewhere. Remember how we were trying to figure out how to pay Nicks and Cruz. Nicks hit the wall before the Giants had to pay him and Cruz got paid and the Giants got NOTHING out of that deal. Imagine if the Giants had paid both.
I am one that questions putting the money that will be needed to secure OBJ into a WR. I don't think an HOF WR is a necessary ingredient to a teams success. Good line play, a competent QB and solid defensive backs are much more important.
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attached is a reminder of the player we're discussing. sometimes even I forget how special he is. it is a privilege to watch him play the sport - even if you don't necessarily "like" him.
he deserves to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, as he is a 1 man wrecking crew capable of scoring as soon as he touches the ball. ODB Career Highlights - ( New Window )
How many of those plays happened in games the Giants lost? The biggest plays of the 2007 and 2012 Superbowls happens were made by WR's who were average at best. (Big credit goes to Eli)
Your second paragraph is ridiculous.. 2007 without Plaxico we never get to the Superbowl.. If you don't believe me just look at what happened to Giants without Plax in 2008.. Even when a stud WR doesn't get yards he is useful.. without the 2 starting WR we go 3-11 instead of 7-7 in the first 14 games.. in both of those cases you don't have to worry about playing in the SB without your top WRs.. Last year we definitely lose at least 3 more games without OBJ..
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
Cause Antonio Brown has never caused a distraction from social media...
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
Ummm... what?????????????? Are you somehow under the impression that AB hasn't created "distractions" for his team through his use of social media? Heck, the day before the Steelers-Giants game last year, they were BOTH on social media because they were hanging out together. You're just uninformed on that topic.
The problem with comparing JPP to Odell is Odell has been FAR more consistent and productive through his first 3 seasons than JPP was. He's already "earned it".
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
His numbers compared to Browns first three full seasons are comparable, and Brown rode the pine for 3 years learning.
Plastered all over social media like this right?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-facebook-live-video-steelers-postgame-locker-room-tomlin-roethlisberger-afc-championship-patriots/eweq8xhga8e31irm17fbkm4z8
Giants have to keep him with a 2nd deal. If he was in the open market he would get more than Brown. At this point, they should try and save a little and give him a big guaranteed amount ASAP. He's a great player and very young. Get a discount now by give my the guaranteed cash.
I've said this many times before. OBJ, while a generational talent, is not the type of guy you can build a team around.
He is not self aware enough to be a cornerstone player who eats up that high of a chunk of your salary cap. You will get gaudy fantasy football stats in some years but you won't get a guy who really "gets" what it is to be a professional football player in 2017. The brand of OBJ and the football player are two separate things, and I don't think the football side of it is the more important of the two to him.
So for OBJ the way the Giants need to play this is simple. The same way that they handled JPP. The money controls the attitude. So OBJ- you want big $$$? Great. Play out your rookie deal and earn it like JPP did. He might even need to play on the franchise tag for a year to prove he can be an Antonio Brown type player, both ON and OFF the field.
Antonio Brown has the self awareness to either a) Not vacation during a week leading up to a playoff game or b) Not be dumb enough to put yourself in a situation for it to be plastered all over social media. What it does is create distractions for the player and the team.
Basically....you want to get paid like Antonio Brown? Act like it.......produce like him.
You lost me with that last sentence.
Compare Beckham's first 3 years to Brown's... one of the two was clearly better. Hint: it's not Brown.
And since when is Antonio Brown a model citizen? He was just in hot water last year for filming his coach and what went on in their locker room and posting it online.
If Beckham did that, people would have crucified him.
Put much better than I could.
Also- remember the absolute no-show in the playoffs. That was a brutal game.
For the record I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay OBJ. He is an all time great talent who has done things on the field that I have NEVER seen before.
What I am saying is that he needs to mature, act more like a professional, and produce in the biggest of games before I shell out a record contract. If he puts up a big year and all I hear about him is the great numbers he puts up, then I open the checkbook. It's up to him. If he wants to be a celebrity he can make tons of $$ hosting parties with Drake in Vegas every weekend. What he can't have in my opinion is both. Learn some discretion and you take the bullseye off of your back.
The good news? He was more than happy to sign his rookie contract so he either plays or doesn't get paid. The team controls the cards on this one.
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when he has an 8 figure guarantee?
Put much better than I could.
Also- remember the absolute no-show in the playoffs. That was a brutal game.
For the record I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay OBJ. He is an all time great talent who has done things on the field that I have NEVER seen before.
What I am saying is that he needs to mature, act more like a professional, and produce in the biggest of games before I shell out a record contract. If he puts up a big year and all I hear about him is the great numbers he puts up, then I open the checkbook. It's up to him. If he wants to be a celebrity he can make tons of $$ hosting parties with Drake in Vegas every weekend. What he can't have in my opinion is both. Learn some discretion and you take the bullseye off of your back.
The good news? He was more than happy to sign his rookie contract so he either plays or doesn't get paid. The team controls the cards on this one.
Simply put, he just has to grow up. It's a tough decison for the Giants. I'm glad I'm not the GM, I just play one here :-). They could look bad either way. Lock up him early before they've won anything and he continues to act like an idiot , they don't win, and then a young, unestablished QB comes in who he can intimidate, then what happens?
But if they let him go and it causes him to straighten out, grow up and he goes on to become a real winner they will kick themselves forever.
With OBJ we had a terrible O last year. The prior 2 years we had losing seasons as well. I am not saying it's his fault in any way. But is WR the most important position on the field? His maturity level doesn't warrant a long term deal at this point. I think the Giants should wait it out and see what happens. Make a decision in 2 years to see if we have a QB in place to replace Eli and make a decision then. If he holds out then thats on him, with the Franchise tag he is getting his money just not the long term commitment.
Fans need to check their perspective, if you were willing to pay JPP, pay Pugh, pay a broken down left tackle, then you sure as hell should want to pay your elite weapon on offense.
Just like I support a player's right to do everything in their power to get the best deal for themselves they can, I support the team I root for doing what's in its best interest and giving out long term deals with historic for the position guaranteed cash before it has to isn't that.
He can be unhappy about his current deal, but oh well. If he stays healthy, he'll get his in a year or two when it's time for it. He can thank his union for the CBA nuking rookie deals to the extent they were.
Just like I support a player's right to do everything in their power to get the best deal for themselves they can, I support the team I root for doing what's in its best interest and giving out long term deals with historic for the position guaranteed cash before it has to isn't that.
He can be unhappy about his current deal, but oh well. If he stays healthy, he'll get his in a year or two when it's time for it. He can thank his union for the CBA nuking rookie deals to the extent they were.
If he does stay healthy and continue on this pace, he'll be even more expensive than it would be if you did it now. This isn't a one-sided situation. There are things to consider on both sides.
It's a different landscape now. That was pre-salary cap. No way the 49ers could have kept that team together in todays NFL.
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is the second coming of Jerry Rice who had a long and fruitful career. You pay him top dollar and keep him in blue.
It's a different landscape now. That was pre-salary cap. No way the 49ers could have kept that team together in todays NFL.
I don't disagree with that. You can't keep everyone, but it seems obvious to me that he's one of your core players going forward. There are not many players on this roster I can see still being here when the Eli era is done.
This is a no-fucking-brainer. You've got a guy who is a top 5 weapon in the NFL, who is young and clean on lingering injuries. If you're not going to pay OBJ, get out of the business of running a football team.