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ZogZerg : 6/10/2017 7:28 am
By Steve Serby


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Some teams talk Super Bowl-or-Bust and it is little more than lip service.

The Giants mean it, and they didn’t need to see Odell Beckham Jr. on the field at OTAs with Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard and No. 1 pick tight end Evan Engram either. The season can’t come soon enough for them.

“I think we all realize the amount of talent we have on this team. There’s no excuse for us not to go all the way,” second-year free safety Andrew Adams told The Post. “This team’s very hungry, and very eager to kick off the season.”



Some high expectations for this year!!

Super bowl-or-Bust! - ( New Window )
Anyone that knows this team.....understands that is very realistic  
George from PA : 6/10/2017 7:47 am : link
The Giants are the team to beat in the NFC East....not the Cowboys.

The NFL can be had.... Green Bay, Atlanta, Seattle...all can beaten.

The AFC is tougher and I suspect the NFC representative will be the Underdog....but if anyone has proven that really does not matter is the Giants.

High expectations.....that injuries and the OL are the only reason it derails.

I agree.....  
Doomster : 6/10/2017 8:30 am : link
Injuries to key players have to be avoided....

If Thompson can stay on the field.....if Goodson can contribute this season....if DRC can stay healthy......and if Tomlinson can increase his playing time as the season progresses, the defense can be even better than last year....

As for the offense, Reese maintained the status quo last season, mainly because he spent all the CAP on defense.....he thought the OL would get better, playing together as a unit, after a full season....they didn't.....he still counted on not one, not two, but three undrafted TE's to solve that problem....it didn't.....he counted on a RB who could dance, but couldn't carry the ball...and most importantly, he put all his eggs in one basket as far as Cruz was concerned, because he did not have a backup plan when Cruz failed...

So what did that all mean? Eli had few options.....he lost Vereen early in the season.....he had no running game to take the pressure off him......We kept Jennings one year too long....his only weapon was OBj.....SS was a good receiver and he had his moments......but he also had some big drops....hopefully, he shows improvement in year 2.....the TE's couldn't block, and came up short in big situations.....

This year Reese focused on the offense more.....he replaced Cruz with Marshall.....with Marshall, SS, and OBj, we have a solid trio, as long as Marshall doesn't age overnight....we have a lot of candidates for the fourth spot, but there is nothing really there that stands out.....

Hopefully, the running game gets a boost with better blocking from the TE position, and the addition of a possible FB....Perkins will have to carry the load, but he is not built to do that.....Gallman is a rookie, and he will have to pick up the system real fast, because he will be Perkins backup.....the rest of the RB are a huge dropoff....in fact,. I would not be surprised if someone is added to the roster, as a late cut.....

The OL is basically the same....many on BBI wanted to sell the farm, to trade for aging starters for the line.....this was not a good year, in FAcy or the draft for OLmen....there is no doubt, Reese is counting on Flowers to finally flower this season, or he will be the second first rounder to not pan out on his watch....this is not a strong OL, but it can be more than adequate....too many times the running plays were blown up before even getting started.....TE's that can block and a new FB should help dramatically....

But the main thing is, Eli now has options.....it's not just the OBj show now.....if the offense can avoid injuries too, this offense is going to put points on the board and make life a little easier for the defense.....

McAdoo has to show that he can be more creative with the weapons this offense has.....he was limited last season....there is no excuse for what we saw from last season....

This team, is not getting the respect from the media....and that's just the way we like it.....I think the Giants are going to surprise a lot of people
Doomster, drinking the Kool-Aid.  
Klaatu : 6/10/2017 8:39 am : link
But I disagree with this:
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..Perkins will have to carry the load, but he is not built to do that.


Perkins is basically the same size as LeSean McCoy, Devonte Freeman, or Jamal Charles.
All I am saying is,  
Doomster : 6/10/2017 9:03 am : link
at 5'10", 208, I don't think he can carry the load of the running, without some drop off.....just my opinion....and who gives him a breather for long stretches? Another rookie who has to learn the system? How long did it take for Perkins last year, to "get it"? Darkwa, who hasn't shown he can stay on the field for more than one series? Over use Vereen? The rest are just emergency only....

I still think this team needs a veteran runner.... pissed that the Eagles got Blount....
RE: All I am saying is,  
Klaatu : 6/10/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13495320 Doomster said:
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at 5'10", 208, I don't think he can carry the load of the running, without some drop off.....just my opinion....and who gives him a breather for long stretches? Another rookie who has to learn the system? How long did it take for Perkins last year, to "get it"? Darkwa, who hasn't shown he can stay on the field for more than one series? Over use Vereen? The rest are just emergency only....

I still think this team needs a veteran runner.... pissed that the Eagles got Blount....


Same size as Tiki Barber and Brian Westbrook, too. I'm not worried about his ability to carry the load, and it doesn't look like the Giants are, either.

I also don't think the Giants are worried about "overusing" Shane Vereen, who's still only 28, and should be a valuable contributor on 3rd downs if need be.

As for the rookie, Gallman, his growth won't be stunted by missing any early time like Perkins' was last year, but I figure the Giants will still bring him along slowly unless he's pressed into service due to injury - God forbid.
Doomster & Klaatu. Good posts.  
Marty in Albany : 6/10/2017 9:18 am : link
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100% with Doomster  
Pepe LePugh : 6/10/2017 9:34 am : link
on this. The JAG swap in the offseason to me was a wash. Perkins was effective in a limited sample size. Too soon to count on him to be healthy and as effective for a full season. I see RB by committee. And don't forget Vereen in that mix.
On paper, this looks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2017 11:05 am : link
like a top contender.
Doomster  
Jay on the Island : 6/10/2017 12:45 pm : link
You made a great point that the addition of Ellison and improved strength and technique of Jerell Adams will be a huge boost to the offensive line especially in the run game. Many are underestimated the impact of having a great blocking TE like Ellison instead of the terrible blocking Donnell.
I've never been more excited for a season  
annexOPR : 6/10/2017 1:42 pm : link
Flowers hopefully improves, but healthy Pugh/Richburg + Ellison will do wonders for the OL.

Marshall replacing Cruz, Engram/Ellison replacing Tye/Donnell, Perkins replacing Jennings, Vereen healthy, solid special teams, and a top 5 defense.

This team is loaded and 1 of the most talented rosters in the league. Stay healthy and this team can beat anyone.
I like when teams talk about the 800 Lb gorilla in the room  
djm : 6/10/2017 2:27 pm : link
The Yankees don't run or hide from the World Series talk. They embrace it as the end all be all to every season. Girardi came right out in multiple interviews this spring that the yanks were in this to win it and it wasn't typical or obligatory lip service. You could tell he meant it. The giants are the same way. It's all or nothing. The teams or franchises that accept losing or the ones that never win. Even in seasons where they aren't supposed to win. It's all or nothing.
This is a very exciting season.  
area junc : 6/10/2017 2:45 pm : link
Last year the talk was "is this a Playoff team" and Eli said yes before the season.

Now - the talk is Super Bowl. Has the "feel" to the 2008 team (but with a dominant D instead of a dominant OL).
it's nice  
annexOPR : 6/10/2017 3:02 pm : link
that the players already seemed focused on setting/living up to these expectations

I can't wait to watch this new offense light up Dallas' defense
RE: I like when teams talk about the 800 Lb gorilla in the room  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 6/11/2017 7:15 am : link
In comment 13495468 djm said:
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The Yankees don't run or hide from the World Series talk. They embrace it as the end all be all to every season. Girardi came right out in multiple interviews this spring that the yanks were in this to win it and it wasn't typical or obligatory lip service. You could tell he meant it. The giants are the same way. It's all or nothing. The teams or franchises that accept losing or the ones that never win. Even in seasons where they aren't supposed to win. It's all or nothing.


The thing that worries me about this is the recent season when Reese posted on the board the numbers of days until the Super Bowl, and the team tanked.

Barring injuries (which is a worry for every team), this team should be a contender, but let's hope they take it one game at a time instead of already looking forward to the Super Bowl.
Talk is cheap  
micky : 6/11/2017 7:28 am : link
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RE: Anyone that knows this team.....understands that is very realistic  
djstat : 6/11/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13495304 George from PA said:
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The Giants are the team to beat in the NFC East....not the Cowboys.

The NFL can be had.... Green Bay, Atlanta, Seattle...all can beaten.

The AFC is tougher and I suspect the NFC representative will be the Underdog....but if anyone has proven that really does not matter is the Giants.

High expectations.....that injuries and the OL are the only reason it derails.
Sadly the cowboys are the team to beat as they went 14-2 and were the NFC East Champions. We have to knock them out of their seat.
I suspect  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/11/2017 11:26 am : link
this team might have a slow start, and hover around .500 for the first half of the season, and just when everyone writes them off they pull their shit together and go on a tear.

Just call it a hunch. I think Engram and Tomlinson will be very good once they get a few games under their belt.

I absolutely think this team is a contender, but if they win it all it will be in underdog Eli style, not home field advantage style.
understated....completely....  
grizz299 : 6/11/2017 12:04 pm : link
I've said it before but:
Best QB in team history and two time sb mvp
Best receiving corp in team history and maybe for any team at any time.
Top five front four..with three all pro types and a highly touted rookie
Very good and underrated backers
The best three cB's in football
Best safety in the game and Thompson
Overall the best secondary in football
Superb and deep group at TE.
All that is -barring injuries etc - I think indisputable and can hardly be called a "reach".
But we ARE entitled to reasonable reaches at this time of the year and here's mine... The OLine can be excellent.
Smith (from Dallas) and Jonathon ogden (two of the best) started their careers as guards. I even believe Orlando Pace might have started at guard. We took a much younger player (20 years old or about the age of a college sophomore) and threw him right into the difficult OLT position. Should we be condemning Flowers because he struggled? It's not a given, but isn't there a strong possibility that he'll blossom (ugh Flowers bloom they don't blosson) in his third year? Any reason that the very hard working Hart can't reach adequate?
I think both are very good possibilities and, in fact, Pugh and his health are the Achilles heels.
Flowers, Pugh, Richenberg, Fluker and Hart. could be damn good and huge..decent reserves for once in Jerry, Jones, Gettis (a surprise, wait and see) and one of the three or so candidates for tackle.
Ellison alone makes this bunch better. Much better.
So that's my reach...that maybe moves this to a great great team, but - reach or no reach - this is still a superbowl roster.
Grizz, I admire the optimism  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/11/2017 5:48 pm : link
and I've already said that I believe they are a contender, this could be a very good team, but in your excitement I think you've glossed over some of the question marks.

We don't know that much about Darian Thompson, even if he stays healthy.

As for the OL, I think their ceiling is most likely "ok".

Also, calling this WR corps the best of all time is jumping the gun a bit. Let's see how Marshall settles in, how Sheppard develops in year 2, and if some depth emerges.

RE: understated....completely....  
gmenatlarge : 6/12/2017 8:12 am : link
In comment 13496026 grizz299 said:
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I've said it before but:
Best QB in team history and two time sb mvp
Best receiving corp in team history and maybe for any team at any time.
Top five front four..with three all pro types and a highly touted rookie
Very good and underrated backers
The best three cB's in football
Best safety in the game and Thompson
Overall the best secondary in football
Superb and deep group at TE.
All that is -barring injuries etc - I think indisputable and can hardly be called a "reach".
But we ARE entitled to reasonable reaches at this time of the year and here's mine... The OLine can be excellent.
Smith (from Dallas) and Jonathon ogden (two of the best) started their careers as guards. I even believe Orlando Pace might have started at guard. We took a much younger player (20 years old or about the age of a college sophomore) and threw him right into the difficult OLT position. Should we be condemning Flowers because he struggled? It's not a given, but isn't there a strong possibility that he'll blossom (ugh Flowers bloom they don't blosson) in his third year? Any reason that the very hard working Hart can't reach adequate?
I think both are very good possibilities and, in fact, Pugh and his health are the Achilles heels.
Flowers, Pugh, Richenberg, Fluker and Hart. could be damn good and huge..decent reserves for once in Jerry, Jones, Gettis (a surprise, wait and see) and one of the three or so candidates for tackle.
Ellison alone makes this bunch better. Much better.
So that's my reach...that maybe moves this to a great great team, but - reach or no reach - this is still a superbowl roster.

Good post, however best 3 cb's in football, no way. The O-line continues to be a huge question mark, with potential to be decent, better than that, doubtful. But I like your optimism and hope that it pans out.
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