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The 'I totally was wrong about this guy' thread.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2017 7:26 pm
I was out with some buddies last night and, definitely a few too many brews deep, this topic came up regarding the NFL Draft. For me, number one was Matt Ryan. I thought he was going to be a total bust having seen him multiple times in college. Also, I've been totally wrong about Joey Bosa thus far. He was a beast last season.

On the flip side, I thought Brady Quinn was going to be a star. ND bias no doubt. I watch a ton of SEC games and would have bet anything Trent Richardson was going to a beast in the NFL for years.

Who were you wrong about?
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Trent Richardson  
DennyInDenville : 6/10/2017 7:27 pm : link
Thought he was a hof lock
I thought David Carr was going to be a beast coming out of college  
montanagiant : 6/10/2017 7:29 pm : link
Granted the Texans allowed him to get beat to hell but I was way off
The Texans really screwed him over  
Moondawg : 6/10/2017 7:31 pm : link
I joined the chorus in thinking that Reggie Bush would have a real impact on the NFL
Matt Stafford  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/10/2017 7:32 pm : link
He's been a better pro then I thought. I thought all the QBs in that draft were pretty weak first round prospects.
Drew Henson.  
bceagle05 : 6/10/2017 7:36 pm : link
I was furious when the Cowboys signed him. I remember it being announced during the Big East Tournament, which I was watching with my college roommates.
I'm wrong a lot..  
lono801 : 6/10/2017 7:41 pm : link
Chandler Jones...
Amobe Akoye  
Saos1n : 6/10/2017 7:53 pm : link
Aaron Donald is what I expected
I still believe Tyrone Wheatley  
djm : 6/10/2017 7:55 pm : link
Will break every nyg rushing record there is.
RE: The Texans really screwed him over  
djm : 6/10/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13495674 Moondawg said:
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I joined the chorus in thinking that Reggie Bush would have a real impact on the NFL


Loved bush coming out. Still feel like he could have been a hof player if certain things broke better for him. He was pretty damn good regardless but injuries hurt and I'm not sure he was utilized properly but it's hard to cry for the guy when he got to play with drew brees.
A Lot of Commentators Depicted JPP as a Workout Wonder  
OntheRoad : 6/10/2017 8:04 pm : link
and a potential bust. I must have been influenced by that because I was shocked when the Giants picked him.
I preferred Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning  
Milton : 6/10/2017 8:06 pm : link
And I was pissed that the Giants drafted Mark Bavaro when Herschel Walker was still available.
RE: A Lot of Commentators Depicted JPP as a Workout Wonder  
David in LA : 6/10/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13495728 OntheRoad said:
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and a potential bust. I must have been influenced by that because I was shocked when the Giants picked him.


Some Giants fans were wrong about JPP twice :-)
Eric Dorsey.  
section125 : 6/10/2017 8:29 pm : link
Thought he'd be great he was so huge. Mehhhh, not so much.
Interesting topic  
NYG27 : 6/10/2017 8:32 pm : link
For the Giants I thought Thomas Lewis from the '94 draft was going to be the next Jerry Rice and Tyrone Wheatley from the '95 draft was going to be the next Emmit Smith. Wrong on both accounts.

On the flip side, I wasn't a fan of Tiki Barber early on. I was getting annoyed that first round pick Ron Dayne was losing touches to Barber. He proved me wrong and became the best RB I've ever seen wear Giants blue!

I also thought David Diehl as a rookie would have been a liability starting in 2003. I was very pleasantly surprised how he developed and became one of the key members of two SuperBowl championships.
For me, here are some guys that fell way short of expectations  
David in LA : 6/10/2017 8:40 pm : link
William Joseph: I figured pretty much anyone on that U of Miami program were locks to be quality players. Joseph turned out to be a huge disappointment.

Tim Carter: Blazing speed, chiseled physique. This guy had everything you could ask for in WR. He was also cousins with Doc Gooden and Gary Sheffield, so I figured with good genetics he had a shot. Unfortunately, it never quite panned out.

Brian Alford: One of my best friends is a huge Purdue fan, so he'd constantly be in my ear about how awesome he was. He is another one of those track stars that weren't really football players.

Tyrone Wheatley: I don't think I was ever more excited for a pick than Wheatley.
Guys that exceeded expectations  
David in LA : 6/10/2017 8:45 pm : link
Tiki Barber: I thought he was only a 3rd down back, and I was gung ho on Wheatley getting snaps as the featured guy.

Brad Maynard: I was of the opinion that the guy sucked, didn't imagine him moving on and becoming a pretty damn good punter in Chicago.

Ike Hilliard: Only because I wanted Yatil Green lmao.
Phil Simms  
gtt350 : 6/10/2017 8:48 pm : link
Phil who???
RE: For me, here are some guys that fell way short of expectations  
chopperhatch : 6/10/2017 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13495753 David in LA said:
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William Joseph: I figured pretty much anyone on that U of Miami program were locks to be quality players. Joseph turned out to be a huge disappointment.

Tim Carter: Blazing speed, chiseled physique. This guy had everything you could ask for in WR. He was also cousins with Doc Gooden and Gary Sheffield, so I figured with good genetics he had a shot. Unfortunately, it never quite panned out.

Brian Alford: One of my best friends is a huge Purdue fan, so he'd constantly be in my ear about how awesome he was. He is another one of those track stars that weren't really football players.

Tyrone Wheatley: I don't think I was ever more excited for a pick than Wheatley.


Alford went to Penn State.
Wrong Alford  
GiantsRage2007 : 6/10/2017 9:26 pm : link
Jay went to Penn St
Brian went to Purdue
RE: RE: For me, here are some guys that fell way short of expectations  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13495790 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13495753 David in LA said:


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William Joseph: I figured pretty much anyone on that U of Miami program were locks to be quality players. Joseph turned out to be a huge disappointment.

Tim Carter: Blazing speed, chiseled physique. This guy had everything you could ask for in WR. He was also cousins with Doc Gooden and Gary Sheffield, so I figured with good genetics he had a shot. Unfortunately, it never quite panned out.

Brian Alford: One of my best friends is a huge Purdue fan, so he'd constantly be in my ear about how awesome he was. He is another one of those track stars that weren't really football players.

Tyrone Wheatley: I don't think I was ever more excited for a pick than Wheatley.



Alford went to Penn State.


You are thinking of Jay Alford, David said Brian Alford, who attended Purdue.
RE: I preferred Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning  
djm : 6/10/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13495731 Milton said:
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And I was pissed that the Giants drafted Mark Bavaro when Herschel Walker was still available.


After watching Ryan leaf and Vince young play out of their minds good in their respective bowl games you had to love both qbs. Leaf was perfect and young was even better. At least young had a winning record as a pro and actually had some fun nice moments. Leaf was the worst.
I was pissed when we drafted Eli in 2004  
jnoble : 6/10/2017 10:12 pm : link
Yep. It's true. I wanted to keep Collins and draft Robert Gallery and not start over again at QB with this skinny kid who was going to take a least a couple years to develop. Guess I was wrong about THAT lol
during the Reeves/Brown era...  
jnoble : 6/10/2017 10:16 pm : link
..every week, quite literally every week I woke up Sunday thinking THIS was finally going to be the game that Dave Brown and our offense would get it together (especially Brown) and we'd be contenders
Many  
Anakim : 6/10/2017 10:30 pm : link
Ramses Barden
Clint Sintim



With James Hardy's death this week, he came to mind. I thought Hardy was going to be a star WR in the NFL.


Fun fact: I mentioned James Hardy in the 2007 Super Bowl thread
I really thought Mariota was going to be a flop and he's proving me  
Devon : 6/10/2017 10:46 pm : link
wrong, recently.

For the Giants, I championed for Travis Beckum hard, they drafted him, and I was completely wrong on him. He never put in the work for them to even try to use him and then when he started to maybe pull it together to at least be an adequate backup, he got injured.
I remember being really jazzed about signing Lavar Arrington  
jnoble : 6/10/2017 10:47 pm : link
And then we had Voltron on defense. Turned out most of the parts of Voltron couldnt stop getting hurt
RE: I remember being really jazzed about signing Lavar Arrington  
Anakim : 6/10/2017 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13495858 jnoble said:
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And then we had Voltron on defense. Turned out most of the parts of Voltron couldnt stop getting hurt


I was stoked for Mr. Nickels. I was so excited. Turns out the only good game had with us was against the Cowboys up until he got injured and was out for the season


And that was the same game where Tony Romo debuted
RE: I really thought Mariota was going to be a flop and he's proving me  
David in LA : 6/10/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13495857 Devon said:
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wrong, recently.

For the Giants, I championed for Travis Beckum hard, they drafted him, and I was completely wrong on him. He never put in the work for them to even try to use him and then when he started to maybe pull it together to at least be an adequate backup, he got injured.


I thought Beckum was a talented kid, but didn't like the fit at all in a KG offense. This could be another one of those Bryan Kehl situation, where the front office made the pick, but the coach wasn't on board with the pick. I wasn't aware of any questions about his work ethic (I could be wrong!), but IIRC his career was derailed with a knee injury.
He comped to not knowing the playbook as well as he should have.  
Devon : 6/10/2017 11:07 pm : link
The rare Randle-sequel case were a player actually earned the lazy/subpar effort tag, even if he tried to correct it late.
RE: He comped to not knowing the playbook as well as he should have.  
Devon : 6/10/2017 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13495870 Devon said:
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The rare Randle-sequel case were a player actually earned the lazy/subpar effort tag, even if he tried to correct it late.


*-esque, not sequel
I'm the only person on the planet  
grizz299 : 6/10/2017 11:39 pm : link
who didn't like Strahan early in his career.

I'd rather talk about the times I was right...Brewer was the only lineman I ever saw who shunned contact.
I kept getting suckered  
santacruzom : 6/11/2017 12:03 am : link
By annual Gianta.com puff pieces about Shaun Williams. They were never prophetic.
And I totally thought  
santacruzom : 6/11/2017 12:04 am : link
That Will Allen would never go to jail.
I thought Tiki Barber  
Sarcastic Sam : 6/11/2017 12:38 am : link
would be a TV star.

Whoops.
RE: I thought Tiki Barber  
FStubbs : 6/11/2017 7:03 am : link
In comment 13495902 Sarcastic Sam said:
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would be a TV star.

Whoops.


To this day I wonder what goes through the mind of Tiki Barber every time he sees his nemesis Strahan with literally EVERYTHING he ever wanted - the ring, the TV career, the Hall of Fame spot, the respect ...
OBJ:  
Big Blue '56 : 6/11/2017 7:10 am : link
I thought he would have attended and excelled at OTAs. Hopefully he will recover by the time the season starts.
I was so totally wrong about this guy I had to stop drinking it:  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/11/2017 7:23 am : link
The Kool-Aid
RE: OBJ:  
Klaatu : 6/11/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13495918 Big Blue '56 said:
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I thought he would have attended and excelled at OTAs. Hopefully he will recover by the time the season starts.


You dog!
I honestly thought  
Glover : 6/11/2017 8:23 am : link
Heath Schüler was going to go off. Obviously he was short, and Ryanis not, thought Ryan was good enough to take the shot. I thought Bosa would be a great run defender, but he's shown better pass rush skills than I thought he would. I was pretty high on Erasmus James, but injuries derailed him. Also thought John Roper was going to be a beast. 8 sack on season in a 6 year career.
Surprised,  
oldog : 6/11/2017 9:02 am : link
that no one has mentioned Jeremy, whose super competitiveness and even rage seemed to lead to him falling short of becoming the true hall of famer that his early performance seemed to promise. As well, of course, he played so robustly that injury was always a concern. Another player, who, of course, has launched along the same orbit, OBJ.
RE: Phil Simms  
madgiantscow009 : 6/11/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13495767 gtt350 said:
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Phil who???


what didn't you like about Simms?

in his senior season he completed 92 of 173 passes for a 53.2% completion percentage and had six touchdown passes, 11 interceptions, and 1,229 yards.[2] The team also finished with a 2–6–1 record in his senior season and failed to make a bowl game during Simms' four years

[2] Simms finished his career at Morehead State with 409 completions in 835 attempts for a 48.9% completion percentage.[2] He also totalled 32 touchdowns, 45 interceptions, and a school-record 5,545 yards.[2]
Yeah, Tyrone Wheatley  
Gman11 : 6/11/2017 9:42 am : link
I thought he was going to be the superstar RB they so desperately needed.

Kerry Collins. Thought he was trash, but had a few decent seasons.

Kurt Warner more than once. I thought he might hold the starter job for a year or two with the Giants. In fact, he started out pretty good, then seemed to be afraid to let go of the ball. I then figured he was done. Then, he goes to the Cardinals and has a revival.
I admit  
ChicagoMarty : 6/11/2017 9:45 am : link
I thought Ron Dayne was going to be a star...
I was absolutely positive  
Mike fr Warwick : 6/11/2017 10:18 am : link
Derek Broen would be the next TE superstar.
Here are my rights and wrongs  
PatersonPlank : 6/11/2017 10:35 am : link
Wrong:
Ron Dayne - i though since he did it for a big program
Trent Richardson - again, ALA so why not (still can't believe what a bust he was)
Ryan Leaf - I thought he was as good as Peyton
Gallery - actually did ok later as a G
Mandarich - workout steroid warrior
The Boz - I thought he'd be good

Rights:
Manzel - never a doubt
Barden - waste of a 3rd from Cal Poly (what division are they in?)
Leinert - surrounded by loads of talent, I could have completed a pass at USC (or two)
Brandon Weeden


RE: I still believe Tyrone Wheatley  
smshmth8690 : 6/11/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13495714 djm said:
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Will break every nyg rushing record there is.


First thought I had as well.
My brother is a Bucs fan  
Biteymax22 : 6/11/2017 10:47 am : link
When they drafted Winston I called to congratulate him for picking up JaMarcus Russel...
Cedric Jones  
Les in TO : 6/11/2017 10:47 am : link
I thought he was going to prove the doubters wrong who said he didn't deserve to be the 5thoverall pick
ususally accompanied by  
idiotsavant : 6/11/2017 10:52 am : link
the word 'compromise' players like Mitch Petrus, who I though would make a decent sleeper guard, using the logic that 'we wont draft one early, as I would prefer, so lets find one later.' Kid was strong and stout...did very little.

Active Players? - Kennard (LB) who I thought would do very little to nothing (lazy on my part, I did not even look at the kids data, it was just a dumb comment I really made on JR). . That said, he has only flashed not been a solid contributor. Yet. but he may become one!

Big Misses? Ron Dayne, liked the idea of a battering ram to make the D stay close, figure that he would do. He had a few moments, but not worth the draft spot.

Hits with big RBs? Brandon Jacobs!

RE: Cedric Jones  
BigBlueShock : 6/11/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13495984 Les in TO said:
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I thought he was going to prove the doubters wrong who said he didn't deserve to be the 5thoverall pick

I hate the Ravens to this day for that draft. And teams for passing on Lawrence Phillips. Ogden was ours for the taking, damn it. Much like I hate the Timberwolves for taking two freaking PGs and forcing the Warriors to take Steph Curry, one pick before the Knicks. Those two drafts will forever eat at my soul.
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