This is the last day a team is able to ask a player with a NMC to waive that clause to allow the team to expose him to the expansion draft.
Teams must protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender; or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender.
Any player with a no-movement clause in his contract at the time of the expansion draft must be protected unless he waives it. All first- and second-year professional players, and unsigned draft choices, are exempt from selection by Vegas and do not have to be protected.
Vegas must select one player from each team to fill a roster of at least 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies, with a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2017-18 season. Expansion draft rules - (
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Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
If there are no trades, Vegas would do well taking any of those 4. There are different arguments for each, but I think they should take either Lindberg or whoever would return the most in a pre-arranged trade (could be any of them other than Fast).
Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
Wow, Strome would be a big talent to lose. Fox had you exposing Hamonic and losing Bailey. If I was Vegas I'd be all over Strome as a 2C.
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My list:
Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
Wow, Strome would be a big talent to lose. Fox had you exposing Hamonic and losing Bailey. If I was Vegas I'd be all over Strome as a 2C. Link - ( New Window )
Yes but I don't have a ton of faith in Strome. He did take some some nice steps forward under Weight though. I'd think it's between Strome and DeHaan. Hopefully Snow can package both in a deal.
Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
I'll play.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey
Defense: Leddy, Boychuk (NMC), de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
If we somehow convinced Boychuk to waive his NMC it'd make life a lot easier, because I'd then be comfortable with the 7-3-1 structure.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey, Strome, Nelson, Clutterbuck
Defense: Leddy, de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
that said, if someone they would take Staal and/or Girardi off the Rangers hands, welcome to the NHL boys.
Looking forward to seeing whom they ultimately move to free up the cap space. Plenty of targets ...
back to the subject at hand:
If I'm the Islanders I would:
package Hamonic before the expansion draft for a forward. His trade value is higher than de haan, and it will allow you to protect de haan leaving the D as:
Boychuk
Leddy
de haan
Pulock
Acquiring a forward means that you are sure to lose one of:
Nelson
Strome
Bailey
Your forwards would be:
JT
Ladd
Lee
Duchene/Eberle type player
Or they could lose Prince or Hickey and we will all celebrate?
And for the Bailey haters... the 27 year old had 56 points last year. Yep, he's not Gretzky, but he doesn't suck as much as you want him to.
Leaving exposed:
Strome
Bailey
Nelson
Prince
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My list:
Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
I'll play.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey
Defense: Leddy, Boychuk (NMC), de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
If we somehow convinced Boychuk to waive his NMC it'd make life a lot easier, because I'd then be comfortable with the 7-3-1 structure.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey, Strome, Nelson, Clutterbuck
Defense: Leddy, de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
I can't imagine protecting de Haan over Hamonic he's a RFA and Hamonic is signed for three more years at <$4M and a right shot. de Haan is likely to get $4M as a top four guy in today's NHL.
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My list:
Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuck (NMC), DeHaan, Pulock, Greiss
Expect to lose Strome or Nelson.
I'll play.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey
Defense: Leddy, Boychuk (NMC), de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
If we somehow convinced Boychuk to waive his NMC it'd make life a lot easier, because I'd then be comfortable with the 7-3-1 structure.
Forwards: Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Bailey, Strome, Nelson, Clutterbuck
Defense: Leddy, de Haan, Pulock
Goalie: Greiss
I can't imagine protecting de Haan over Hamonic he's a RFA and Hamonic is signed for three more years at <$4M and a right shot. de Haan is likely to get $4M as a top four guy in today's NHL.
nah, you trade Hamonic and protect de haan.
I'm so sick of watching Hamonic skate in with men open, corner himself along the boards, lose the puck, and take a penalty out of frustration.
I'm so sick of watching Hamonic skate in with men open, corner himself along the boards, lose the puck, and take a penalty out of frustration.
Surprised to read this. I think Hamonic is a really good player. But I probably only watch 10-15% of Isles games and many of those are vs NYR where I'm invested and probably not super objective
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I can't stand Hamonic. I always thought he was overrated, not just this year. He's a wonderful human being and I root for him, but I think de Haan is leaps and bounds better.
I'm so sick of watching Hamonic skate in with men open, corner himself along the boards, lose the puck, and take a penalty out of frustration.
Surprised to read this. I think Hamonic is a really good player. But I probably only watch 10-15% of Isles games and many of those are vs NYR where I'm invested and probably not super objective
bigblue, don't listen to Mike. His friend Mitch is in his year spewing venom.
Hamonic has disappointed and we all have/had high expectations. It more seems like he's playing scared since his injury.
When he's "on" and not being overly cautious, he's shown greatness.
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I can't stand Hamonic. I always thought he was overrated, not just this year. He's a wonderful human being and I root for him, but I think de Haan is leaps and bounds better.
I'm so sick of watching Hamonic skate in with men open, corner himself along the boards, lose the puck, and take a penalty out of frustration.
Surprised to read this. I think Hamonic is a really good player. But I probably only watch 10-15% of Isles games and many of those are vs NYR where I'm invested and probably not super objective
I'm definitely in the minority on Hammer, but last year was just beyond atrocious. Dead last on the team in Corsi% (.43), dead last on the team in +/- (-21), and led the Islanders in penalty minutes with 60 despite only playing in 49 games. Just remarkably bad.
And is all not taking into account that it seems you can pencil him in to miss a month every year, too.
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Haha - thanks for sharing
deej, I don't think Hamonic has lost anything. I think he's injury scared. He's still young.. some guys can't get over the thought of "if I play hard, I'm going to be on the IR again".
Staal and Girardi are 30 and 33, respectively. Hamonic is 26. If he's degrading now... oy vey.
2010/11 he was a 29 point player. 2008/09 thru 2010/12 his hits were 189, 178, 140. Since that time, he's a <1.2 hit/game player and averages 16 points per 80 games. Other than a run where Stralman carried him, his Coris has been shit, after starting as a 56.1 and 54.7 CF% player his first two seasons (note: he played very sheltered minutes at first).
Beware a guy whose game changes after injuries. Just because he's in his prime seasons doesnt mean he's gonna get back to good hockey.
Beware a guy whose game changes after injuries. Just because he's in his prime seasons doesnt mean he's gonna get back to good hockey.
I fully agree with this. Spot on.
Im expecting some stupid overpay like barzal AND pulock for duch
Which is why he's been an anchor around their necks.
Im expecting some stupid overpay like barzal AND pulock for duch
I can tell you with confidence that Barzal is not going anywhere at anytime.
I'm not so confident with Pulock. I get the Nino feeling with that one. It would be a significant loss, though.
Which is why he's been an anchor around their necks.
Staal is a very long defender who is very savvy with his stick work. But that's all he is. A stick technician. Allergic to contact. And more often than not, taking the body is the correct play over fancy stick work. Im not talking laying a guy out -- just bodying up a guy is often more disruptive than going at his stick/puck.
Staal also cant pass the puck out of the zone. I have no recollection over whether that was an issue before the injuries, but right now teams know to pressure him. He wont make you sorry.
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That if you dont protect De Haan, vegas can actually sign him to offer sheet before the actual draft?
Im expecting some stupid overpay like barzal AND pulock for duch
I can tell you with confidence that Barzal is not going anywhere at anytime.
I'm not so confident with Pulock. I get the Nino feeling with that one. It would be a significant loss, though.
I have high hopes for Pulock. I hope you're right about Barzal. He could be a very good #2 center and cost controlled for a long time.
I think we could most afford to lose Raanta. We've done well developing backup goalies. But Raanta may have high trade value now. I think he's more valuable than Talbot was when we traded him.
I'd be happiest losing Grabner. I just dont buy that he'll repeat, and then we lose him for nothing.
I think we could most afford to lose Raanta. We've done well developing backup goalies. But Raanta may have high trade value now. I think he's more valuable than Talbot was when we traded him.
I'd be happiest losing Grabner. I just dont buy that he'll repeat, and then we lose him for nothing.
My order (from guys I'm most willing to lose to guys I don't want to lose at all):
1. Raanta
2. Grabner
3. Fast
4. Lindberg
I think we could most afford to lose Raanta. We've done well developing backup goalies. But Raanta may have high trade value now. I think he's more valuable than Talbot was when we traded him.
I'd be happiest losing Grabner. I just dont buy that he'll repeat, and then we lose him for nothing.
Well i'd grade the offseason an F if we lost any of them for nothing, as each has market value and it comes across as just lazy to lose any of them when we dont have 3 defenders on the roster worth protecting.
Even if we make a slightly 'bad' deal to shed 1-2 of them, that's still better than losing one for nothing.
But to answer your question:
1. Raanta
2. Grabner
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3. Lindberg
4. Fast
And I'd consider firing AV and/or Gorton if either Lindberg or Fast was lost for nothing.
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but the Isles shouldnt make any prospect untouchable until/unless they get their player development issues resolved. They have had a lot of high profile flameouts of late. Are they picking the wrong guys, or not developing them from there. I cant believe it was just the coach's system.
Srsly? Reinhart straight busted. Strome is moving backwards and is a disappointment vs his draft position (#5, with less points than picks 6-9). Niederreiter they bailed on way too soon, or Minny developed him -- pick one. If you dont have some concerns about MDC then I think your glasses are too rose colored. A skilled wing taken #5 should not play 2 seasons in the juniors and then put up 2/3rd line points in the AHL.
On top of that there have just been all these names floating around for years that get hyped up by Isles fans and then you never hear of the player. Look, I know it well. It was the Rangers for a while, except we didnt also have a group of top 15 picks with them.
The undersold story of the Rangers is how much they're getting out of guys who were neither FAs or our top 15 picks, who made their bones in the Rangers org. Zucc, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes, McD, Skjei, Vesey, Fast, Buch, Lindberg. Rangers finishing school may not be making superstars, but it's doing a staggeringly good job cranking out top 9 / top 4 talent when we havent had a first round pick since the Eisenhower administration.
Well i'd grade the offseason an F if we lost any of them for nothing, as each has market value and it comes across as just lazy to lose any of them when we dont have 3 defenders on the roster worth protecting.
Even if we make a slightly 'bad' deal to shed 1-2 of them, that's still better than losing one for nothing.
You'd have to make 4 deals to guarantee yourself of not losing any of them. Cheaper to just pay off LV to take someone else.
It would hardly make the offseason an F to lose one for no return. We've lost better and more important players. I save my Fs for letting Stralman go for nothing.
Trouba, as an example, and likely Anaheim Ds would likely take more than just one asset.
Supposedly Calgary and another team out west have been asking about Raanta. Lets get that done.
But you're right... losing Raanta/Grabner wouldnt be an F. More like a D+.
Most concerning of all is apparently neither Staal nor Girardi were approached about waiving NMCs. I just dont think this franchise gets it on Defense. Mind boggling.
Now your admittedly not an islanders fan so indolent expect you to know that strome was the scapegoat for Capuano for 3 years. And on top of that played a lot out of position.
Why didn't you mention nelson, dehaan, okposo, nielsen, Bailey, martin, cizekas,ee. They were all home grown players that have had positive careers. You may get islanders fans to say Bailey hasn't lived up. But he's coming off a 56 point season.
Do you know who Josh HoSang is.
Nino was a malcontent that didn't get along with management and they didn't stand for his bullshit.
My point it every team has their guys and misses just like the islanders did.
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Who are the high end flame outs you are talking about?
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but the Isles shouldnt make any prospect untouchable until/unless they get their player development issues resolved. They have had a lot of high profile flameouts of late. Are they picking the wrong guys, or not developing them from there. I cant believe it was just the coach's system.
Srsly? Reinhart straight busted. Strome is moving backwards and is a disappointment vs his draft position (#5, with less points than picks 6-9). Niederreiter they bailed on way too soon, or Minny developed him -- pick one. If you dont have some concerns about MDC then I think your glasses are too rose colored. A skilled wing taken #5 should not play 2 seasons in the juniors and then put up 2/3rd line points in the AHL.
On top of that there have just been all these names floating around for years that get hyped up by Isles fans and then you never hear of the player. Look, I know it well. It was the Rangers for a while, except we didnt also have a group of top 15 picks with them.
The undersold story of the Rangers is how much they're getting out of guys who were neither FAs or our top 15 picks, who made their bones in the Rangers org. Zucc, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes, McD, Skjei, Vesey, Fast, Buch, Lindberg. Rangers finishing school may not be making superstars, but it's doing a staggeringly good job cranking out top 9 / top 4 talent when we havent had a first round pick since the Eisenhower administration.
I'd much rather lose Lindberg.
Yea The Devils will have a very intriguing off season. Starting with this week and the possibility of taking on a player that teams don't want to expose and lose for nothing, Then next week with the draft there is talk they may trade down from #1 to pick a Dman they like. Also there is the Kovy situation which will possibly serve as found money if they can get a solid return for him. Then of course UFA with all the money they have to spend. With the savvy Shero has shown in piling up draft picks and finding some diamonds in the rough I'm excited to see what he does.