This is the last day a team is able to ask a player with a NMC to waive that clause to allow the team to expose him to the expansion draft.
Teams must protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender; or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender.
Any player with a no-movement clause in his contract at the time of the expansion draft must be protected unless he waives it. All first- and second-year professional players, and unsigned draft choices, are exempt from selection by Vegas and do not have to be protected.
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the quality in this draft has a domino effect with LV and the expansion and all the transactions going to happen beyond simply who teams take.
I think this will be the most interesting off-season in the past decade (just throwing the decade out there, maybe since the last expansion)
It will be really interesting to see if LK goes to maximize talent or to maximize draft picks. Everyone assumes picks, but I think they should be wary about setting themselves for a decade of suck. I dont not think they can count on free agency, if only because the recent history of NHL free agency is that very few good players actually come free. Those that do are usually 29+ and wany 6, 7, 8 year deals.
There has to be a team of people keeping track of all the wheeling and dealing Vegas is already doing. they have to take 1 player from each team and can't take more than 1 player from each team and has to take enough salary to get to 60%? at least of the cap and they have positional selection requirements.
so they have deals in place as we've discussed with a number of teams (and I expect it will grow) to take certain players, to not take certain players to trade and then those assets would be trade capital too.
Im sure it's a bit complicated but not overwhelming. You do your first draft of the XD, and then make adjustments as deals come in. It's not like fantasy baseball -- they dont need to walk away with a playable roster.
10 of them, who have to qualify for selection in the first place, must be selected and then I guess traded or what, sent to the AHL? Not a lot of youngsters even qualify.
So there is going to be a lot of movement.
And much of it I think could involve multiple teams using LV as an intermediary.
10 of them, who have to qualify for selection in the first place, must be selected and then I guess traded or what, sent to the AHL? Not a lot of youngsters even qualify.
So there is going to be a lot of movement.
And much of it I think could involve multiple teams using LV as an intermediary.
14, 9 and 3 are minimums.
It will be really interesting to see if LK goes to maximize talent or to maximize draft picks. Everyone assumes picks, but I think they should be wary about setting themselves for a decade of suck. I dont not think they can count on free agency, if only because the recent history of NHL free agency is that very few good players actually come free. Those that do are usually 29+ and wany 6, 7, 8 year deals.
LV will probably be more likely to take picks NOT to take somebody unless they needed to get up to minimum salary
mike: they're also going to rent out their cap space to teams that want out from contracts. apparently they already have a deal with CHI to take a contract CHI wants to be out of. I really thought there was a good chance that the Rangers were going to give them a pick to take KK and leave their other players alone, but now that KK is thinking about retirement I dont know. Still think NY bribes them.
mike: they're also going to rent out their cap space to teams that want out from contracts. apparently they already have a deal with CHI to take a contract CHI wants to be out of. I really thought there was a good chance that the Rangers were going to give them a pick to take KK and leave their other players alone, but now that KK is thinking about retirement I dont know. Still think NY bribes them.
They need to meet a salary floor so it makes sense to take a few overpriced vets to help meet that so they can take the younger, cheaper players that they really want
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Yea The Devils will have a very intriguing off season. Starting with this week and the possibility of taking on a player that teams don't want to expose and lose for nothing, Then next week with the draft there is talk they may trade down from #1 to pick a Dman they like. Also there is the Kovy situation which will possibly serve as found money if they can get a solid return for him. Then of course UFA with all the money they have to spend. With the savvy Shero has shown in piling up draft picks and finding some diamonds in the rough I'm excited to see what he does.
I do not want the Devils to trade down in the draft unless they receive a substantial return which they won't because there is no McDavid in this draft. As for Kovy I hope that he decides to return to the NHL and the Devils can get a 1st round pick for him even if it is in next years draft I would be thrilled to get something for him at this point. I have a feeling that he will decide to go back to the KHL for one more year then come over next year when he is free to sign with any team. Shero has done a good job so far and I am hoping that he keeps the #1 pick and takes either Nolan or Hischier and they play well this year. With one of them, plus Hall, Palmieri, and Henrique the Devils might be able to lure a star like Taveras to NJ especially if any of the young kids Zacha, McLeod, Bastain, and/or Quenneville live up to their potential.
Jay.. that's a high hope!!
At this point, Kovy is a 20 goal scorer and that's it.. 1st round pick would be beyond shocking!!
FF thats what I though at the beginning, but there seems to be a real market developing for him and I'm thinking we can get something decent for him. No matter what its like found money. Yea Jay I wouldn't be big on trading down, but seems like there are some murmurs that they want a Dman and #1 is way too high for that. In the end I think you are right the return won't be enticing enough for them to trade down.
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Yea The Devils will have a very intriguing off season. Starting with this week and the possibility of taking on a player that teams don't want to expose and lose for nothing, Then next week with the draft there is talk they may trade down from #1 to pick a Dman they like. Also there is the Kovy situation which will possibly serve as found money if they can get a solid return for him. Then of course UFA with all the money they have to spend. With the savvy Shero has shown in piling up draft picks and finding some diamonds in the rough I'm excited to see what he does.
I do not want the Devils to trade down in the draft unless they receive a substantial return which they won't because there is no McDavid in this draft. As for Kovy I hope that he decides to return to the NHL and the Devils can get a 1st round pick for him even if it is in next years draft I would be thrilled to get something for him at this point. I have a feeling that he will decide to go back to the KHL for one more year then come over next year when he is free to sign with any team. Shero has done a good job so far and I am hoping that he keeps the #1 pick and takes either Nolan or Hischier and they play well this year. With one of them, plus Hall, Palmieri, and Henrique the Devils might be able to lure a star like Taveras to NJ especially if any of the young kids Zacha, McLeod, Bastain, and/or Quenneville live up to their potential.
Jay.. that's a high hope!!
At this point, Kovy is a 20 goal scorer and that's it.. 1st round pick would be beyond shocking!!
FF thats what I though at the beginning, but there seems to be a real market developing for him and I'm thinking we can get something decent for him. No matter what its like found money. Yea Jay I wouldn't be big on trading down, but seems like there are some murmurs that they want a Dman and #1 is way too high for that. In the end I think you are right the return won't be enticing enough for them to trade down.
I would hope they don't draft for need. They are in a good position to stock up on top talent, no need to trade down.
There is trade interest in Phaneuf. Final 4 yrs at $7-$6.5-$6.5-$6.5-$6.5. Quality shutdown guy, but Sens likely to take contract/$ back.
I don't hate Phaneuf, and he is a quality shutdown guy IMO but that's too much money.
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There is trade interest in Phaneuf. Final 4 yrs at $7-$6.5-$6.5-$6.5-$6.5. Quality shutdown guy, but Sens likely to take contract/$ back.
I don't hate Phaneuf, and he is a quality shutdown guy IMO but that's too much money.
Gives me hope that we can find a taker for Staal
Maybe he can be dumped, not sure, but Phaneuf is a legit shut down D, who still has a really good shot, but that's too much money IMO for a 32 year old shutdown defenseman.
so to trade Phaneuf would need to be like to LV so they can meet salary cap or for another team's bad contract.
People seem to think that today will be an active news day around the league and I'd be interested to keep an earbud in at my desk while I work.
People seem to think that today will be an active news day around the league and I'd be interested to keep an earbud in at my desk while I work.
I listen to NHL station on Sirius from my computer. Other than that, it's a neglected sport!!
pj is right -- Staal was especially dreadful in the playoffs, where I thought he looked like a #8 dman. Remember how pissed we were about AV's usage? The usage was playing Staal and Holden, who were on the ice for all the blown leads IIRC.
Habs lunch from 12 - 1 with knuckles nilan.
I listen occasionally. Not much in terms of revelations.
you can stream the station all day I believe, but I don't think it's 100% hockey or especially interesting.
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Beyond the 30 days the cost sounds kind of ridiculous. I wonder if they'll negotiate. Either way, 30 day trial lines up pretty nicely with the upcoming active period of the NHL.
I hope you're right, but I think its more likely the Rangers knew both Girardi and Staal wouldn't budge on their NMCs (probably asked them and their agents over the past year) and they are acting classy by not throwing either under the bus.
We already got word Girardi fully intends to play somewhere else next year, and unlike most here apparently, I do think he'll make someone's roster as a 3rd pair. Its bizarre to me we didn't try to shop him, retaining most of the salary but still better off eating two years instead of 4. The only answer in my head is Girardi refused to waive anything and instead wanted to be a free agent and control his own destiny.
Similar with Staal - would be shocked if we dealt him. If we do, I think I'd prefer to eat salary than include a #1 (of course we might have to do both).
Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin and a conditional 2018 6th from TBL in return for Mikhail Sergachev and a 2018 conditional 2nd.
Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin and a conditional 2018 6th from TBL in return for Mikhail Sergachev and a 2018 conditional 2nd.
Saw that, kind of hard to be disappointed even though I think Sergachev has Norris potential.
Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin and a conditional 2018 6th from TBL in return for Mikhail Sergachev and a 2018 conditional 2nd.
wow.. interesting!
I was excited to see Sergachev in the WJC, but he didn't really "show up". At least not the games I saw. He had a big year the year before.
I think he had a very good playoff.
Either way, very nice trade for the Habs. And they didn't give away who we thought.
Everyone raves about Sergachev. Could work out nicely for both sides. MTL still needs a center though. Galchenyuk for Stepan, let's do this!
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Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin and a conditional 2018 6th from TBL in return for Mikhail Sergachev and a 2018 conditional 2nd.
wow.. interesting!
I was excited to see Sergachev in the WJC, but he didn't really "show up". At least not the games I saw. He had a big year the year before.
I think he had a very good playoff.
Either way, very nice trade for the Habs. And they didn't give away who we thought.
I think this definitely seals Galchenyuk's fate in MTL.
the funny thing is as dynamic as Drouin is, Galchenyuk's 21 year old season was better and Drouin can't play C either.
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Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin and a conditional 2018 6th from TBL in return for Mikhail Sergachev and a 2018 conditional 2nd.
wow.. interesting!
I was excited to see Sergachev in the WJC, but he didn't really "show up". At least not the games I saw. He had a big year the year before.
I think he had a very good playoff.
Either way, very nice trade for the Habs. And they didn't give away who we thought.
I think this definitely seals Galchenyuk's fate in MTL.
the funny thing is as dynamic as Drouin is, Galchenyuk's 21 year old season was better and Drouin can't play C either.
I'm assuming that was his 30 goal season? Yeah.. I know I prefer him as well. I think Drouin is a stud, but Galchenyunk should be the centerpiece of that team.
Everyone raves about Sergachev. Could work out nicely for both sides. MTL still needs a center though. Galchenyuk for Stepan, let's do this!
I like Stepan, Galchenyuk has more offensive upside but Stepan is a better all around player, and close to a 1C (if not a 1C) however Galchenyuk is younger and cheaper, so I think their sites are set a little higher, like Matt Duchene but I'm positive it would cost more than Galchenyuk for Duchene.
yeah.. the big question is, what kind of number did he give TB for his RFA contract? There's always a risk of a holdout with this kid.
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TB must have been starting to feel the cap crunch after paying a lot of guys and moving Drouin as a RFA was a necessity. He finally started to realize that potential last season.
Everyone raves about Sergachev. Could work out nicely for both sides. MTL still needs a center though. Galchenyuk for Stepan, let's do this!
I like Stepan, Galchenyuk has more offensive upside but Stepan is a better all around player, and close to a 1C (if not a 1C) however Galchenyuk is younger and cheaper, so I think their sites are set a little higher, like Matt Duchene but I'm positive it would cost more than Galchenyuk for Duchene.
That's surprising. Duchene is a nice player, but either you are overvaluing him or Colorado is.
whatever he is expecting I can promise you Drouin is expecting a lot more.
Don't think that fact had nothing to do with this.
In the past 12 months the Canadiens have traded two defenseman who I feel should be perennial Norris candidates in Subban and eventually it's what I think Sergachev will be (albeit that's a lot of projection).
Still if I'm MTL and expect to re-sign Carey Price throughout his prime I make this Sergachev trade 10 times out of 10, but I feel like it will work out for both teams.
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My guess is the issue here is that he wants ROR's contract or better and Montreal is not excited about playing that.
whatever he is expecting I can promise you Drouin is expecting a lot more.
Im not so sure. The comps for guys taking a contract after 3 seasons has better players (to date) making in the low 6s. Galchenyuk being 2 years from UFA means that a long term deal is buying out more UFA seasons, and all other things being equal should be pricier.
Don't think that fact had nothing to do with this.
In the past 12 months the Canadiens have traded two defenseman who I feel should be perennial Norris candidates in Subban and eventually it's what I think Sergachev will be (albeit that's a lot of projection).
Still if I'm MTL and expect to re-sign Carey Price throughout his prime I make this Sergachev trade 10 times out of 10, but I feel like it will work out for both teams.
Habs seem to be in win-now mode. I don't know how I'd feel about this move since I don't know Sergachev. I think a move like this can definitely make them in the second class of Contenders behind PIT/WAS.
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My guess is the issue here is that he wants ROR's contract or better and Montreal is not excited about playing that.
whatever he is expecting I can promise you Drouin is expecting a lot more.
Im not so sure. The comps for guys taking a contract after 3 seasons has better players (to date) making in the low 6s. Galchenyuk being 2 years from UFA means that a long term deal is buying out more UFA seasons, and all other things being equal should be pricier.
I'm thinking he is probably going to match or exceed Gaudrea ($6.75)
This is all baseless assumption, mainly because of the crap he pulled a couple of years ago.
right now they'd have to expose Paul Byron and I see almost no chance they do that.
Sergachev is a big, strong, good skating, two-way defenseman.
Think Jacob Trouba, but better offensively.
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My guess is the issue here is that he wants ROR's contract or better and Montreal is not excited about playing that.
whatever he is expecting I can promise you Drouin is expecting a lot more.
Im not so sure. The comps for guys taking a contract after 3 seasons has better players (to date) making in the low 6s. Galchenyuk being 2 years from UFA means that a long term deal is buying out more UFA seasons, and all other things being equal should be pricier.
I'm thinking he is probably going to match or exceed Gaudrea ($6.75)
This is all baseless assumption, mainly because of the crap he pulled a couple of years ago.
I've seen $5.5 - $6M as projections.
Gaudreau got paid off a 78 point 3rd year. Drouin is literally 25 points behind that.
Don't think that fact had nothing to do with this.
In the past 12 months the Canadiens have traded two defenseman who I feel should be perennial Norris candidates in Subban and eventually it's what I think Sergachev will be (albeit that's a lot of projection).
Still if I'm MTL and expect to re-sign Carey Price throughout his prime I make this Sergachev trade 10 times out of 10, but I feel like it will work out for both teams.
I'm trying to understand this from Tampa's point, & I can't.
1) Why not build around Drouin
2) If trading Drouin, why deal to the team who just won your division?
Like I said before, Drouin is viewed as the more dynamic player, but Galchenyuk's 21 year old season was better than Drouin's. I think the gap between Galchenyuk and Drouin is small if there is one and a case could be made for the 6'1"-6'2" 210 lb Galchenyuk over the 5'11" 180 lb Drouin.
And people underestimate Galchenyuk's skill IMO, he had 6 OT goals in 2017 and 30 goals in 2016, most of the OT goals on 1-timers, he's got a sick shot and is a great passer.
he's caught up in Julien/Therrien hell IMO and elsewhere would be a star.
I hope MTL keeps him, but it seems unlikely at this point.