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Patrick : 6/12/2017 10:30 am
This is the last day a team is able to ask a player with a NMC to waive that clause to allow the team to expose him to the expansion draft.

Teams must protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender; or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender.

Any player with a no-movement clause in his contract at the time of the expansion draft must be protected unless he waives it. All first- and second-year professional players, and unsigned draft choices, are exempt from selection by Vegas and do not have to be protected.

Vegas must select one player from each team to fill a roster of at least 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies, with a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2017-18 season.

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RE: Canadiens  
Anakim : 6/15/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13501194 pjcas18 said:
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aren't done IMO, before Saturday or before the expansion draft.

right now they'd have to expose Paul Byron and I see almost no chance they do that.

Sergachev is a big, strong, good skating, two-way defenseman.

Think Jacob Trouba, but better offensively.


Yeah, I think they trade Nathan Beaulieu sometime soon
RE: RE: Drouin  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13501204 Rover said:
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is a Quebec native who makes his home in Montreal.

Don't think that fact had nothing to do with this.

In the past 12 months the Canadiens have traded two defenseman who I feel should be perennial Norris candidates in Subban and eventually it's what I think Sergachev will be (albeit that's a lot of projection).

Still if I'm MTL and expect to re-sign Carey Price throughout his prime I make this Sergachev trade 10 times out of 10, but I feel like it will work out for both teams.


I'm trying to understand this from Tampa's point, & I can't.

1) Why not build around Drouin
2) If trading Drouin, why deal to the team who just won your division?


TB was in cap jail. they have helped themselves dealing Bishop, Fippula and now Drouin and the expansion draft also played a part in this trade for TB.

before today they were projected to lose Namestnikov, but now they don't need to protect Sergachev (he's ineligible) and obviously won't need to protect Drouin any longer so they can protect Namestnikov
Tampa is building around  
Deej : 6/15/2017 4:11 pm : link
Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasilevskiy. Stamkos too, though that guys is kind of an afterthought. He could easily come back and pot 40.
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pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 4:19 pm : link
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Joey Alfieri‏ @joeyalfieri

Allan Walsh says Drouin's reaction to the trade was: "It's a dream come true" #Habs


I hope they keep both Galchenyuk and Drouin, but doubt it.

I don't see the point of trading Galchenyuk + for Duchene, I'd just play Galchenyuk or Drouin out of position.

And to the prior comment I don't think I'm overrating Duchene rumor was the Canadiens offered Sergachev and a 1st for Duchene at the deadline and COL, in a fire sale, rejected it.

I think Duchene is a 1C on most teams.
Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 5:06 pm : link
I had that backwards on Duchene.

MTL said no to Sergachev and a 1st for Duchene, Sergachev was deemed "untouchable".

RE: Gaudreau?  
feelflows : 6/15/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13501198 Deej said:
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I tell him to fuck off if he wants Gaudreau's contract. He can take a bridge deal. He's likely not getting much more than that in AAV after 2 more years anyway, and if he is, it's because he broke out and it's ok to pay him.

Gaudreau got paid off a 78 point 3rd year. Drouin is literally 25 points behind that.


I don't mean to compare the two in production.. just what I see him asking for.
RE: RE: Gaudreau?  
Deej : 6/15/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13501297 feelflows said:
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I tell him to fuck off if he wants Gaudreau's contract. He can take a bridge deal. He's likely not getting much more than that in AAV after 2 more years anyway, and if he is, it's because he broke out and it's ok to pay him.

Gaudreau got paid off a 78 point 3rd year. Drouin is literally 25 points behind that.



I don't mean to compare the two in production.. just what I see him asking for.


I understood that.
Conditions  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 5:25 pm : link
of the draft pick part of the trade:
If Sergachev plays 40 games or more (regular season and playoffs) no drat picks are exchanged, otherwise the Canadiens send a 2nd (that they received from the capitals in the Lars Eller deal) and receive a 6th back.

I doubt he plays 40 games unless there are injuries.

He turns 19 in 10 days. He played in 4 games this past season, I think he's ready but unless there are injuries in TB or they trade someone like Garrison I don't see Sergachev playing 40 games.
Bergevin press conference coming up  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 5:36 pm : link
some speculate a Galchenyuk trade announcement.

Trouba? Hamilton?

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Eric Engels‏Verified account @EricEngels

Also, it appears Alex Galchenyuk is very, very likely to get traded. Strong possibilities for a defenceman to come back the other way.


RE: Bergevin press conference coming up  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13501306 pjcas18 said:
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some speculate a Galchenyuk trade announcement.

Trouba? Hamilton?



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Eric Engels‏Verified account @EricEngels

Also, it appears Alex Galchenyuk is very, very likely to get traded. Strong possibilities for a defenceman to come back the other way.





Marc Staal.
Trouba seems unlikely  
Deej : 6/15/2017 5:41 pm : link
WPG had great wing depth, and I the Habs need to be a little worried about resigning him and Drouin.
RE: Bergevin press conference coming up  
Mike in NY : 6/15/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13501306 pjcas18 said:
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some speculate a Galchenyuk trade announcement.

Trouba? Hamilton?



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Eric Engels‏Verified account @EricEngels

Also, it appears Alex Galchenyuk is very, very likely to get traded. Strong possibilities for a defenceman to come back the other way.





How about Travis Hamonic
the more I think about this  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 5:45 pm : link
it means that Bergevin values Drouin + unnamed D (Anaheim D or Trouba, Hamilton, etc.) more than Galchenyuk + Sergachev.

seems like shuffling deck chairs (albeit quality deck chairs).

And they still don't have a C. Their 1C was Phillip Danault who is really a 4C. Plekanec is a solid veteran, but a pure finesse veteran (and I've made my feelings clear on finesse players) and 3C is Shaw/Galchenyuk.

if this happens with the 2nd trade the way people are projecting I don't see them as a better team other than the defenseman not being 19 years old, so I guess more "win now".
Less than some expected  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 5:47 pm : link
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Renaud Lavoie‏ @renlavoietva

Jonathan Drouin contract: 6 years / 33M$ (5.5M$) @CanadiensMTL #tvasports
RE: the more I think about this  
Deej : 6/15/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13501314 pjcas18 said:
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it means that Bergevin values Drouin + unnamed D (Anaheim D or Trouba, Hamilton, etc.) more than Galchenyuk + Sergachev.

seems like shuffling deck chairs (albeit quality deck chairs).

And they still don't have a C. Their 1C was Phillip Danault who is really a 4C. Plekanec is a solid veteran, but a pure finesse veteran (and I've made my feelings clear on finesse players) and 3C is Shaw/Galchenyuk.

if this happens with the 2nd trade the way people are projecting I don't see them as a better team other than the defenseman not being 19 years old, so I guess more "win now".


I dont agree. I think:

1) Drouin just signed for less than I believe AG is currently demanding. So if you think they're equiv. players, Drouin has cost certainty and AG doesnt.

2) Obviously a Trouba/Hamilton for Sergachev effective swap advances the ball. Not "win now" since those D men are still young, but it's a future for a now player. You have Carey Price. You maximize his window, and a dman 10 years younger than him doesnt do that.

I dont think they'll get Trouba or Hamilton for AG. Though for the life of me I dont totally understand why Hamilton is so available.
I agree  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 6:41 pm : link
Trouba or Hamilton probably isn't straight up for Galchenyuk. Hamilton was acquired for a 1st and 2 2nd's so yeah, Galchenyuk probably doesn't get him done. Though I do think hockey fans who don't watch him a lot tend to underrate Galchenyuk - he's an immense talent, stifled in his system IMO.

either way, if you're going to trade Sergachev, at least fill a hole, C (and ironically D) are the Canadiens biggest needs. Shuffling Drouin in and Galchenyuk out probably doesn't make the Canadiens better.

Depending on return for Chucky.
RE: Yep Jay I hear they want to trade into the back of the 1st rd  
Jay on the Island : 6/15/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13500336 Stu11 said:
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and maybe go D there. Shero has stockpiled a handful of 2nd rd picks so its very possible.

That's a better strategy than trading down a few spots to pick a defenseman. There are a couple of undersized offensive defenseman that should be available late first.
FWIW  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 11:11 am : link
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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 13m13 minutes ago

Hearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf's yes list...
RE: FWIW  
feelflows : 6/16/2017 11:27 am : link
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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 13m13 minutes ago

Hearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf's yes list...




I don't get it. Not for that price.
RE: RE: FWIW  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13501842 feelflows said:
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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 13m13 minutes ago

Hearing that Los Angeles, Montreal, Edmonton among the 12 teams on Dion Phaneuf's yes list...






I don't get it. Not for that price.


Same here. I'd expect OTT to eat salary at a minimum.

32 year old stay at home defenseman. too much money.
I think yes list just means  
Deej : 6/16/2017 11:30 am : link
where DP is willing to be traded to, not where there is interest in him, no?
RE: I think yes list just means  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13501848 Deej said:
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where DP is willing to be traded to, not where there is interest in him, no?


of course, he has a limited NTC, that list is the 12 teams he'd accept a trade to. I was just saying I don't see those 12 teams being interested. at that price.
I expect some trades today  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 11:56 am : link
I could see Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba and Vatanen all being moved today
Want to move Stepan  
JonC : 6/16/2017 12:03 pm : link
for a young righty D talent before July 1.
RE: I expect some trades today  
JayBinQueens : 6/16/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13501893 Anakim said:
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I could see Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba and Vatanen all being moved today


Hopefully stuff happens and the excitement isn't for nothing
RE: RE: I expect some trades today  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13501911 JayBinQueens said:
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I could see Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba and Vatanen all being moved today



Hopefully stuff happens and the excitement isn't for nothing



The Vegas trade freeze goes into effect soon. I mean teams can always trade next week at the Draft but some teams have difficult decisions to make regarding who to protect (notably the Ducks).
RE: RE: RE: I expect some trades today  
JayBinQueens : 6/16/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13501912 Anakim said:
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I could see Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba and Vatanen all being moved today



Hopefully stuff happens and the excitement isn't for nothing




The Vegas trade freeze goes into effect soon. I mean teams can always trade next week at the Draft but some teams have difficult decisions to make regarding who to protect (notably the Ducks).


Yup - everyone thought the trade deadline would be busier this year because of the draft but it didn't really happen.

I'm still going to update twitter all day, hopefully some things happen.
I think it was the opposite wasn't it?  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 12:31 pm : link
most people expected a quiet deadline b/c of the expansion draft and the craziness coming this summer.

either way, I think before tomorrow's freeze there will be some activity and the expansion draft will be crazy and then post expansion draft it will be crazy all the way up to the entry draft.

even free agency will be unique this year b/c of expansion.

Brooks says  
Kyle in NY : 6/16/2017 1:11 pm : link
Rangers have set a high price for Stepan, won't move him unless it's for a "no doubt" 1st pair RHD.

Good.
Mckenzie  
JayBinQueens : 6/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
just said he'd be surprised if Hamonic wasn't traded
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cap news  
JonC : 6/16/2017 1:24 pm : link
According to Pierre LeBrun, the NHLPA is currently voting on making the upper limit of the salary cap for next season $75 million.
RE: Mckenzie  
feelflows : 6/16/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13501982 JayBinQueens said:
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just said he'd be surprised if Hamonic wasn't traded Link - ( New Window )


at his current deal, it better be for a return a hell of a lot better than Eberle.

speaking of UFA righty D options  
JonC : 6/16/2017 1:28 pm : link
Given the cap crunch, figure they're looking at Shattenkirk and similar with Smith as the fallback?

Sign one independently of a potential trade for a top pair righty D.
RE: RE: Mckenzie  
marbles : 6/16/2017 1:32 pm : link
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just said he'd be surprised if Hamonic wasn't traded Link - ( New Window )



at his current deal, it better be for a return a hell of a lot better than Eberle.


Paging Joe Sakic. Customer in (a)Isle two wants a price check on Duchene.
RE: RE: RE: Mckenzie  
feelflows : 6/16/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13502027 marbles said:
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at his current deal, it better be for a return a hell of a lot better than Eberle.




Paging Joe Sakic. Customer in (a)Isle two wants a price check on Duchene.


preferably as a Blue Light special... his asking price at the deadline was a bit steep.
RE: Brooks says  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13501977 Kyle in NY said:
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Rangers have set a high price for Stepan, won't move him unless it's for a "no doubt" 1st pair RHD.

Good.


I like the suggestion of Stepan and Raanta for Jacob Trouba. I think that's fair for both teams
RE: speaking of UFA righty D options  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13502014 JonC said:
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Given the cap crunch, figure they're looking at Shattenkirk and similar with Smith as the fallback?

Sign one independently of a potential trade for a top pair righty D.


I think Gorton would like both. I think they could fit both in, especially if Shattenkirk takes the rumored hometown paycut.
That sounds like a pair of second pair D's  
JonC : 6/16/2017 1:48 pm : link
no? Can't see they throwing $5-6M per at both.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2017 1:58 pm : link
I think Shattenkirk can handle top pairing minutes.

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Holden-?
Staal

The Rangers have a couple of kids who might be able to handle third pair minutes. One of them might break through and take a role. I think that's good enough to win a Cup.
I don't think Smith gets $5M, Jon.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2017 1:58 pm : link
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He'd be top until/if they traded  
JonC : 6/16/2017 2:01 pm : link
Stepan for one, is what I was driving at. Given that option, they might have to preserve some cap space, plus re-sign Mika.

Not sure Shatt + Smith at reduced dollars happens.

Then again, Nash is off the cap in a year and Staal's now pretty clearly on notice for buyout. In that sense, the cap crunch is one season, off the top of me head.
ok, I could be overrating his value  
JonC : 6/16/2017 2:01 pm : link
for sure.
RE: ok, I could be overrating his value  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13502079 JonC said:
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for sure.


To be fair, it only takes one team to prove me wrong. I don't have a good track record of picking contracts, anyway. I don't see the Rangers paying him that, though.
Shattenkirk is not a top pair guy, IMO  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 2:07 pm : link
Offensively, yes, but defensively he leaves a lot to be desired. He's a second-pair guy who will be put on the top pair because of the contract and his offensive skills.


I would probably be more comfortable with McDonagh-Smith, Skjei-Shattenkirk
What about his defensive game leaves a lot to be desired?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2017 2:15 pm : link
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Reminder  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 2:29 pm : link
key dates before Wednesday's expansion draft.

Anak you're just quoting stereotypes  
Kyle in NY : 6/16/2017 2:29 pm : link
The one that says offensive defensemen must be defensive liabilities. It's not true. Don't base your judgements off one playoff run with the Caps.

The metrics bare out that Shattenkirk is an excellent shot generator and a solid shot suppressor. Nothing to suggest he's truly a defensive liability. I think he's absolutely a first pair guy. For up to $6-6.5 million, I'm taking him
RE: He'd be top until/if they traded  
Kyle in NY : 6/16/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13502078 JonC said:
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Stepan for one, is what I was driving at. Given that option, they might have to preserve some cap space, plus re-sign Mika.

Not sure Shatt + Smith at reduced dollars happens.

Then again, Nash is off the cap in a year and Staal's now pretty clearly on notice for buyout. In that sense, the cap crunch is one season, off the top of me head.


I think that last point is key. The Rangers aren't truly in a cap crunch. And if there is one, it's just for this season. Seems like Nash is locked in for another season here (seems to be quiet on that trade rumor front). But once that deal is up, that's a lot of space freed.

It's why they can hold out on a big price for Stepan, because it's not just about moving that cap figure.

I think they can locking up Smith for 3-3.5 million and then getting Shattenkirk is realistic.

Now if a top pair D comes via trade then that changes everything. But that is starting to seem unrealistic
RE: What about his defensive game leaves a lot to be desired?  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13502094 BrettNYG10 said:
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That he's not that good in his own end
I like some things Shattenkirk does  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2017 2:38 pm : link
but I think he will be overpaid and I hope it's not in MTL. Overall I'm not a huge fan of him. I think players like Shattenkirk, Yandle, Fowler have a role, it just needs to be on the right team.

I'd rather give 39-year old Andre Markov a one or two year lower $$ deal than a 5 or 6 year deal to Shattenkirk.

but some teams need offense from their defense as part of their system and if a particular team does there really isn't a better FA option out there than Shattenkirk this year.

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