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Patrick : 6/12/2017 10:30 am
This is the last day a team is able to ask a player with a NMC to waive that clause to allow the team to expose him to the expansion draft.

Teams must protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender; or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender.

Any player with a no-movement clause in his contract at the time of the expansion draft must be protected unless he waives it. All first- and second-year professional players, and unsigned draft choices, are exempt from selection by Vegas and do not have to be protected.

Vegas must select one player from each team to fill a roster of at least 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies, with a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2017-18 season.

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I wonder if we will ever  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 2:49 pm : link
actually find out all the deals Vegas has in place to take or not take players or if we'll need to infer them based on other moves. Just not sure if any of this stuff is handshake deals or if it's all formalized through the league.

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David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod 29s30 seconds ago

My understanding, as part of Ducks/Knights expected trade, is Vatanen will end up in Vegas. Other parameters to deal, but that's main part.
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pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 2:49 pm : link
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HockeyStatMiner‏ @HockeyStatMiner 2m2 minutes ago

Mighty interested to see what deal Anaheim has cut with Vegas if they're standing pat rn
Vatanen is big  
Deej : 6/17/2017 2:55 pm : link
LVK is either taking a bad contract or paying a pick back for Sami.
Lots of hype  
Kyle in NY : 6/17/2017 3:02 pm : link
but not much action
RE: Lots of hype  
Anakim : 6/17/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13502851 Kyle in NY said:
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but not much action


Yep. Pretty disappointing.

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account
@TSNBobMcKenzie

Roster freeze is now on and NYR did not make a deal before 3 p.m. ET deadline. Not to say they won't when freeze lifts Thursday 8 a.m ET.
This would be a lot more fun if GMs  
bigbluehoya : 6/17/2017 3:07 pm : link
Weren't so risk averse. Not being called a fool is the number one priority.
Ultimately it was probably easier to buy off LVK than trade  
Deej : 6/17/2017 3:18 pm : link
with another team. Trade someone to another team and they have to protect the player. And a lot of teams are gonna want to wait to see what LVK has to offer in XD players before settling on someone else's product.

Im pretty curious to see if we made a deal. Raanta is worth a #2 plus to LVK, so that has to be the baseline.
Devils trade  
Anakim : 6/17/2017 3:26 pm : link
CapFriendly‏ @CapFriendly
TRADE

To #Devils
Mirco Mueller
2017 5th round pick

To #Sharks
2017 2nd round pick
2017 4th round pick
Eh, not so happy about this  
Anakim : 6/17/2017 3:28 pm : link
Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Rangers have nothing in place with Vegas. Unclear whether McPhee prefers Raanta or one of the forwards, NYR seem resigned to losing player.


Not happy about losing a valuable player like Lindberg, Fast, Raanta or Grabner for nothing. Would rather lose a second rounder next year.
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pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 3:51 pm : link
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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Montreal and the Islanders tell me they're done for the day. Potentially, two big players next week.
So teams can trade with LV only starting tomorrow at 10 am  
marbles : 6/17/2017 3:53 pm : link
after the release of the unprotected players. So I guess that means a team can have LV pick up a player they want from the unprotected list and then trade something for that player.

Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
NHL teams can resume trading tomorrow morning at 10 ET only if their trading partner is VGK. Otherwise, no deals/signing until Thurs 8 am ET.
RE: Eh, not so happy about this  
Deej : 6/17/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13502860 Anakim said:
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Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Rangers have nothing in place with Vegas. Unclear whether McPhee prefers Raanta or one of the forwards, NYR seem resigned to losing player.


Not happy about losing a valuable player like Lindberg, Fast, Raanta or Grabner for nothing. Would rather lose a second rounder next year.


1) Then you're losing a #2 for "nothing" (it's not really nothing -- it's the rules).

2) We might rather lose a #2 in 2018 than the players we had to expose... but maybe that wasnt enough for LVK for the same reason.

3) We can still deal with LVK. Our guy isnt gone til he's gone.
FWIW  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 4:27 pm : link
I forget how he defines "NHL Regular" I think it might be 100 games played.

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BrianWilde‏ @BWildeCTV 32m32 minutes ago

BrianWilde Retweeted Sean Coleman

Here are the percentages that a pick is a regular NHLer if one wants to do math: 1-5 96% 6-10 84% 11-15 60% 16-20 64% 21-25 46% 26-30 42%


Some names trickling  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 6:48 pm : link
out...Kings expose Gaborik and Brown, Caps expose Nate Schmidt, any more interesting names I read I'll post on here.
Seems pretty clear they  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2017 7:00 pm : link
would prefer picks or to be bad than simply to pick the 30 best players.

were other expansions like this? I really don't remember.

RE: Devils trade  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13502858 Anakim said:
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CapFriendly‏ @CapFriendly
TRADE

To #Devils
Mirco Mueller
2017 5th round pick

To #Sharks
2017 2nd round pick
2017 4th round pick

Intriguing trade for the Devils. Former 1st rounder who has two way potential. The Devils are in dire need of defensive help and hopefully he works out like when they gave up a 2nd round pick for Palmieri.
RE: Seems pretty clear they  
Davisian : 6/17/2017 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13502962 pjcas18 said:
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would prefer picks or to be bad than simply to pick the 30 best players.

were other expansions like this? I really don't remember.



Mike Richter was technically a Nashville Predator after their expansion draft, so yeah they've always been a little weird even if the rules are a bit different this time.
RE: ....  
Anakim : 6/17/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13502829 BrettNYG10 said:
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Joking aside, I actually don't see a logical fit in that deal. I seriously can't imagine OEL coming back and not much else intrigues me from Arizona that would make the Rangers better.


I don't agree. The Coyotes have many young promising players. I would love to have one or more of Dvorak, Domi, Chychrun, Rieder, Perlini, DeAngelo, Keller.

They also have the 7th overall pick. If they want Stepan, a deal can be worked out.
Thoroughly baffled  
MetsAreBack : 6/18/2017 9:40 am : link
Why we bought out Girardi now when there was no plan in place to trade for a 3rd protected defenseman.

Can make all the arguments you like about cost/benefit of losing a player versus a draft pick but we only have two defensemen worth protecting now (one actually, but staal must be too)

It strikes me as lazy and somewhat incompetent. Yes trading for a third D player wouldn't take all 4 of our players off the board, but perhaps it would have enabled us to protect the best 1-2 of that bunch.
It's looking like the  
Metnut : 6/18/2017 10:40 am : link
Isles protected Pelech over CdH.
So isles  
KWhite2250 : 6/18/2017 10:40 am : link
Protect Pelech over De haan? Does the nhl already know vegas deals with other teams? So could vegas have agreed to take an unprotected player from another team to ship for de haan or are we just losing de haan for nothing?
according to Darren Dreger  
JayBinQueens : 6/18/2017 10:41 am : link
Isles protect 5 D and have a deal in place with Vegas not to take specific F's for a future first
RE: according to Darren Dreger  
Metnut : 6/18/2017 10:47 am : link
In comment 13503168 JayBinQueens said:
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Isles protect 5 D and have a deal in place with Vegas not to take specific F's for a future first


If the isles give up a 1st and still lose CdH I'll lose my shit.
So  
KWhite2250 : 6/18/2017 10:47 am : link
Hey Vegas take De Haan instead of strome and nelson? Sorry, ik not the biggest de haan fan but he's more valueable than those 2.
Giving up a first  
Metnut : 6/18/2017 10:48 am : link
to protect CdH, Nelson, Strome (and Pelech) is steep but the right move IMO. Hopefully it's 2018 pick with some protection.
Again  
KWhite2250 : 6/18/2017 11:21 am : link
How does this all work? Do you tell the NHL offices the players they refused to not take in these deals? They could even sign De Haan to an offer sheet now if they wanted to.
Rangers at Canes Tonight- 7 PM  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/18/2017 12:00 pm : link
Don't know  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/18/2017 12:01 pm : link
why the Rangers-Canes line showed up, but that's the list for the Rangers.
I hope we have a handshake deal with Smith  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 12:07 pm : link
Vegas can start negotiating with Smith today. I would hate to lose him.


Vegas will get a really nice young RHD in Sami Vatanen or Josh Manson
Or Matt Dumba or De Haan  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 12:14 pm : link
Should be a busy few days for Vegas. Lots of deals to be made.
no surprises  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2017 12:19 pm : link
with MTL. Exposed Plekanec, Hudon, Emelin, Nesterov and Davidson (of the players I'd expect LV to consider)

The one I hope they don't take is Charles Hudon, he was a highly regarded prospect (even though he was a 5th round pick) 50+ pts per year in the AHL past three years and he's still just 22.

Perfect candidate for LV.

I would not expect MTL to have to make a deal to protect any of them.

Jagr  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2017 12:23 pm : link
unprotected.

I'd pick him if I were LV just for the name if he's planning to play, though FL also has Marchessault and Reilly Smith available.
RE: Jagr  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13503230 pjcas18 said:
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unprotected.

I'd pick him if I were LV just for the name if he's planning to play, though FL also has Marchessault and Reilly Smith available.


Certainly would put butts in seats. I don't know if they can pass on Marchessault given the season he just had, but Jagr would definitely draw fans to games.
I would have protected DeHaan and replaced him with  
marbles : 6/18/2017 12:29 pm : link
Nelson or Strome.

But I have no idea what is going on with side deals.

At this rate, with the amount of rumors regarding teams giving LV picks to stay away from unprotected players, McPhee will have the entire draft to himself.
Apparently  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2017 12:36 pm : link
MTL is willing to trade LV a 2nd round pick to take Plekanec and not Hudon. Sort of makes sense for LV to take plecky since Plekanec is a veteran making good money, but only for one more year.

if this does happen MTL has zero NHL caliber top 2 centers on the roster. Plekanec was really 3rd line C at this point, and Danault IMO is a 3rd/4th liner too. Drouin could be playing center.
Its about the  
XBRONX : 6/18/2017 12:42 pm : link
future for a new franchise. Jagr would be a stupid get at his age.
Jagr's a UFA anyway.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/18/2017 12:48 pm : link
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RE: Jagr's a UFA anyway.  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13503253 BrettNYG10 said:
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Right but if the Knights sign Jagr, they wouldn't be able to take Marchessault
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/18/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13502988 Anakim said:
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Joking aside, I actually don't see a logical fit in that deal. I seriously can't imagine OEL coming back and not much else intrigues me from Arizona that would make the Rangers better.



I don't agree. The Coyotes have many young promising players. I would love to have one or more of Dvorak, Domi, Chychrun, Rieder, Perlini, DeAngelo, Keller.

They also have the 7th overall pick. If they want Stepan, a deal can be worked out.


I don't think a lot of those guys are appealing for the Rangers in a Stepan deal. I'd be fine with trading for another younger center who has already proven he can put up points at (at least) a second line rate with more upside or a top pair D. I think trading Stepan for a guy who is mostly potential would be a bit asinine given where the Rangers are. The 7th overall pick isn't interesting to me in a deal for Stepan.
RE: RE: Jagr's a UFA anyway.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/18/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13503258 Anakim said:
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Right but if the Knights sign Jagr, they wouldn't be able to take Marchessault


If they wanted Jagr, why not just wait until January 1st?
Dumba  
Deej : 6/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
I would have traded for him. Easier said than done.
July 1st, obviously.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Jagr's a UFA anyway.  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13503262 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13503258 Anakim said:


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Right but if the Knights sign Jagr, they wouldn't be able to take Marchessault



If they wanted Jagr, why not just wait until January 1st?


Because other teams would be able to bid for him and bid at a somewhat high price too. Vegas, if they so choose, could sign Jagr in the coming days without any competition, but then they would give up the opportunity to draft Marchessault.
RE: Dumba  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13503266 Deej said:
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I would have traded for him. Easier said than done.


We could still
They could wait  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2017 1:25 pm : link
until 7/1 for Jagr, but anyone could sign him then.

Some interesting names by team.

After looking through the names though, holy shit I think LV is going to be historically bad this year no matter what they do.

I'm still not clear  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2017 1:30 pm : link
what happens to the other 7 players they pick that can't go on their roster.

they have to take 30, NHL roster is 23 I believe.

what happens to the other 7?
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Kyle in NY : 6/18/2017 1:33 pm : link
I think Vegas can put together a pretty good defense and there's some solid goalies available.
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Anakim : 6/18/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13503274 Kyle in NY said:
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I think Vegas can put together a pretty good defense and there's some solid goalies available.



That's my thinking. As it stands now, their defense will be very good (and young) and their Goalies should be set as well. MAF, Raanta, Mrazek...
Add 2 million extra space for the Rangers  
Anakim : 6/18/2017 1:40 pm : link
Craig Morgan‏Verified account @craigsmorgan
Have heard the NHL salary cap ceiling will be set at $75M; floor at $55.4M.
RE: I'm still not clear  
Deej : 6/18/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13503271 pjcas18 said:
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what happens to the other 7 players they pick that can't go on their roster.

they have to take 30, NHL roster is 23 I believe.

what happens to the other 7?


Trades, AHL, or take UFA
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