This is the last day a team is able to ask a player with a NMC to waive that clause to allow the team to expose him to the expansion draft.
Teams must protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender; or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender.
Any player with a no-movement clause in his contract at the time of the expansion draft must be protected unless he waives it. All first- and second-year professional players, and unsigned draft choices, are exempt from selection by Vegas and do not have to be protected.
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Even Dumba, while still young, I don't think of as a top pair defenseman. I think I might prefer Scandella to Dumba. Again though, not a top pair D.
and their forwards will be mostly 3rd liners with upside, maybe guys like Hagelin, Neal, Plekanec, Grabner.
And MAF is a legit starting goalie, but Raanta is a 28-year old career backup, no one knows how he'd fare as a starting goalie and Mrazek is coming off a brutal season.
If their team is built based on the players in the expansion draft I see a brutal season.
As for UFA's generally I'd say they'll follow the money, but I don't see a veteran UFA interested in signing in LV while they rebuild unless maybe it's a veteran who has a cup and is content to maximize $$ at this point.
It's not a great group, they'd struggle to score. But I don't think it's historically bad. It's certainly better than any of the past expansions teams. Plus they'll add a top draft pick, and they could flip Mrazek for something substantial.
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Can make all the arguments you like about cost/benefit of losing a player versus a draft pick but we only have two defensemen worth protecting now (one actually, but staal must be too)
It strikes me as lazy and somewhat incompetent. Yes trading for a third D player wouldn't take all 4 of our players off the board, but perhaps it would have enabled us to protect the best 1-2 of that bunch.
Recognize that it takes two teams to agree on a trade. It is possible that no one likes what we have to offer at this time. The other teams may want to wait until after the expansion draft and take their chances. We were buying out Girardi anyway. I don't know if there were restrictions on when a buyout can occur.
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Why we bought out Girardi now when there was no plan in place to trade for a 3rd protected defenseman.
Can make all the arguments you like about cost/benefit of losing a player versus a draft pick but we only have two defensemen worth protecting now (one actually, but staal must be too)
It strikes me as lazy and somewhat incompetent. Yes trading for a third D player wouldn't take all 4 of our players off the board, but perhaps it would have enabled us to protect the best 1-2 of that bunch.
Recognize that it takes two teams to agree on a trade. It is possible that no one likes what we have to offer at this time. The other teams may want to wait until after the expansion draft and take their chances. We were buying out Girardi anyway. I don't know if there were restrictions on when a buyout can occur.
Looks like buyout period this year s June 15 until June 30
And Nelson, Strome, Bailey, etc. Personally I would have swapped CdH for Pelech, but it is possible that Las Vegas would have asked for more in that case. Islanders were never at risk for losing Cizikas because of his contract. If the Islanders had traded Las Vegas a 1st on the condition they select someone like Shane Prince or Nikolai Kulemin, I would have liked it more.
Frankly, we can all spitball - or in some Isles fan circles, carry torches and pitchforks (yawn) - but none of us knows what's transpiring behind closed doors. As far as I'm concerned, all I cared about was protecting Pulock, and we did. So I'm good.
He wouldn't be the first choice, MTL wants a LD to pair with Weber and I think more would (or should) need to come back to MTL, but the names have been floated.
Am I reading the above correctly that MIN left Dumba exposed?
Am I reading the above correctly that MIN left Dumba exposed?
yes
That's pretty ridiculous, IMO.
That's pretty ridiculous, IMO.
this was speculated for months. If no trade was worked out, they'd be only able to protect one of Dumba or Brodin.
I'd keep Dumba in that choice, but if you're a contender, Dumba still not a good defensive defenseman. Brodin is.
If I'm LV, I need a lot more than a first rounder to look the other way.
And if I'm the rangers, I'd have called early on Sat with an offer of Fast + Holden + 2nd round pick. Seems way too cheap, but it's a load better than exposing Dumba.
Makes me think there is a deal I place
Frankly, we can all spitball - or in some Isles fan circles, carry torches and pitchforks (yawn) - but none of us knows what's transpiring behind closed doors. As far as I'm concerned, all I cared about was protecting Pulock, and we did. So I'm good.
From what I've read on Twitter, Snow is sending a first rounder to Vegas to prevent them from taking Cizikis and Bailey. De Haan though is fair game. Hence, the first rounder and De Haan comment.
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I think that pretty much proves my point that NHL GMs are inefficient.
That's pretty ridiculous, IMO.
this was speculated for months. If no trade was worked out, they'd be only able to protect one of Dumba or Brodin.
I'd keep Dumba in that choice, but if you're a contender, Dumba still not a good defensive defenseman. Brodin is.
Also, Scandella might be a better fit for Vegas than Dumba. We'll see
Could be. We'll see
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From what I've read on Twitter, Snow is sending a first rounder to Vegas to prevent them from taking Cizikis and Bailey. De Haan though is fair game. Hence, the first rounder and De Haan comment.
It's also been mentioned that the first rounder was to protect Nelson, Strome and de Haan. Everything is speculation. So, to my earlier point, no one knows what's being negotiated by the respective GMs.
Didn't read that. Just read that the first rounder was used to protect Bailey and Cizikis.
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From what I've read on Twitter, Snow is sending a first rounder to Vegas to prevent them from taking Cizikis and Bailey. De Haan though is fair game. Hence, the first rounder and De Haan comment.
It's also been mentioned that the first rounder was to protect Nelson, Strome and de Haan. Everything is speculation. So, to my earlier point, no one knows what's being negotiated by the respective GMs.
Didn't read that. Just read that the first rounder was used to protect Bailey and Cizikis.
I'm hoping that it's a first rounder and Grabovksi's contract going the other way. Otherwise it makes no sense to throw in a first rounder to protect a high priced fourth liner in Cizikas and a soon to be UFA in Bailey. In what world are either of those guys more valuable than deHaan?
Maybe (probably?) I overrate them (& of course there will be side-deals), but I feel like this roster could be a playoff team. #VegasDraft
Sounds like Vegas is dealing ahead of the expansion draft. Have heard there are at least seven teams with side deals.
What is the sense you're getting?
I can't read this. Why are they protecting Nelson with a pick? I would be fine with him being taken. Preferred? NO, but it won't set them back. Plenty of options to replace his "sometimes" production.
Strome I get. The kid has tremendous skill and just hasn't hit a comfort level yet.
Yeah, I'd like to think Garth has a plan in mind (praying he does?) but if we lose de Haan while protecting Adam Pelech I'll be more at a loss for words than I was during the repeated appearances on the ice from Brian Strait.
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I think de haan is the most underrated Islander. He has been VERY solid, and because he's not flashy he flies under the radar.
Yeah, I'd like to think Garth has a plan in mind (praying he does?) but if we lose de Haan while protecting Adam Pelech I'll be more at a loss for words than I was during the repeated appearances on the ice from Brian Strait.
maybe his old friend told him who he's interested in... maybe he told him he wants Bailey? Or CC? Hey.. when he got canned, the Isles hooked him up with a job, afterall!
My guess is that they know he wont be drafted and didnt want to insult him by leaving him unprotected and not using the 3rd D protection slot (though they could have protected Smith bf UFA).
I can't read this. Why are they protecting Nelson with a pick? I would be fine with him being taken. Preferred? NO, but it won't set them back. Plenty of options to replace his "sometimes" production.
Strome I get. The kid has tremendous skill and just hasn't hit a comfort level yet.
My sense is (and I have no ties to agents, team personnel, etc, so it's nothing more than feelings and reading tea leaves): Bailey, Hickey or Cizikas selected in ED. Hamonic (potentially plus, maybe a MDC) for Galchenyuk. Another move with multiple pieces (say, Strome, Pelech, another player plus a pick) for Duchene (which I now feel Sakic has overplayed and won't get the return he originally hoped for). Could that player be CDH? Possibly. But I can also see the Isles correctly valuing CDH as you have and keeping him, as I can also see them keeping Strome. He was misused, miscast and had any semblance of confidence destroyed under Simple Jack. I think Dougie likes him and knows it'd be very premature to give up on a talented kid just rediscovering why hockey is fun. If the Duchene move doesn't happen, the rumors are the EDM expected return on Eberle has dropped, so maybe that's the move instead of an overpay for Duchene.
Sounds like an awful draft to have a top pick, I read it's being compared to 2012.
"The top 15-20 picks are intrchngeable; might be a case of the beauty is in the eye of beholdr." Joe McDonnell, DAL
gratz
I read it's being compared to 2012.
Can we just call that "The Brady Skjei Draft"? Too soon?
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I read it's being compared to 2012.
Can we just call that "The Brady Skjei Draft"? Too soon?
Pretty sure Filip Forsberg might have something to say about that. Still can't believe the Caps traded him for a water bottle and a bag of pucks.
that move could be the difference between a Caps cup and what you've seen the past two years in WSH.
Not saying Forsberg is a savior per se, but having his skill on that team changes everything.
Plus I'd still rather have Galchenyuk and Trouba than Skjei.
but he is one of the better players taken that in that first round.
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Were Shattenkirk willing to take a higher AAV for a dramatically reduced term of two or three years, then quite possibly, but why on earth would the Capitals rental leave millions on the table to play Broadway?"
George McPhee has told NHL teams that today is the last day they'll complete a trade to protect their players.
"We're going to pick our team tomorrow." --George McPhee
Were Shattenkirk willing to take a higher AAV for a dramatically reduced term of two or three years, then quite possibly, but why on earth would the Capitals rental leave millions on the table to play Broadway?"
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George McPhee has told NHL teams that today is the last day they'll complete a trade to protect their players.
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"We're going to pick our team tomorrow." --George McPhee
Makes sense. Or at least, that they'd switch to the mode where they start putting their draft into place. Because it will take several days to try to sell off the pieces they can acquire. And part of that is figuring out who to draft -- e.g. taking offers for Raanta, Grabner, and Lindberg, and taking the one with the best return. That to me is the hardest part.
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George McPhee has told NHL teams that today is the last day they'll complete a trade to protect their players.
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"We're going to pick our team tomorrow." --George McPhee
pjcas, does this mean the trades will be announced today (if they happen) or that they'll still have to wait to be formally announced after the draft?
I also don't see the Rangers wanting Shattenkirk and only offering a three year deal. If they think Shattenkirk is the guy they need to turn this into a quality D unit, who cares about what he's like in 2022?
I also don't see the Rangers wanting Shattenkirk and only offering a three year deal. If they think Shattenkirk is the guy they need to turn this into a quality D unit, who cares about what he's like in 2022?
Agree 100% players don't care if it's NY, BOS, etc if the money is the same, but the allure of playing with people you know (and like) isn't overstated IMO and no one in the NHL off the top of my head can come close to the group of American players the Rangers can.
Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Hayes, Vecey
McDonagh, Skjei, Clendo, etc.
It's why Vecey signed with the Rangers IMO over places where he'd have been given a much better chance at a top 6 spot from day 1.
I don't have any sense for if Shattenkirk is close with any of those guys (certainly not like Vecey was) to say if playing with them is a difference maker for him. But I'd doubt he takes less money for that privilege.
I also don't see the Rangers wanting Shattenkirk and only offering a three year deal. If they think Shattenkirk is the guy they need to turn this into a quality D unit, who cares about what he's like in 2022?
Someone has got to care about 2022. That's an argument to always give mega-term contracts.