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I'll buy into an overcommit on Shatty if I see another big move first. Im not convinced that this roster + Shatty is all that great. It's so hard to tell, but I think we need Shatty AND a superstar forward. Not someone that you get with Stepan+. Someone much better than that. A top 10 center type.
Im not sure what to make of this team. Im not going all in on probably 2 good but not great years of Hank.
that top 4 D is better than PIT top 4 D.
I also don't see the Rangers wanting Shattenkirk and only offering a three year deal. If they think Shattenkirk is the guy they need to turn this into a quality D unit, who cares about what he's like in 2022?
Shanahan is the first one that comes to mind
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I disagree a bit, I think a top four of Skjei, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Smith is good enough to win it all. I wouldn't say a favorite, but a bit behind PIT/WAS.
that top 4 D is better than PIT top 4 D.
Yeah but Pitt has Crosby, Malkin, and friends. And Murray is obviously fantastic (and could be better than Hank over the next 2-3 seasons).
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I disagree a bit, I think a top four of Skjei, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Smith is good enough to win it all. I wouldn't say a favorite, but a bit behind PIT/WAS.
that top 4 D is better than PIT top 4 D.
Yeah but Pitt has Crosby, Malkin, and friends. And Murray is obviously fantastic (and could be better than Hank over the next 2-3 seasons).
I see, you mean overall better, I was just saying top 4 D.
Penguins are favorites to repeat, I heard their name with Galchenyuk too.
Of course, I suppose NJ could really throw a huge offer to him and he'd technically be back in the area. But who wants to play for them?
Plan is for VGK to file all its trades with Central Registry to make them official after the draft window closes at 10 am ET Wednesday
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I disagree a bit, I think a top four of Skjei, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Smith is good enough to win it all. I wouldn't say a favorite, but a bit behind PIT/WAS.
that top 4 D is better than PIT top 4 D.
Yeah but Pitt has Crosby, Malkin, and friends. And Murray is obviously fantastic (and could be better than Hank over the next 2-3 seasons).
I see, you mean overall better, I was just saying top 4 D.
Penguins are favorites to repeat, I heard their name with Galchenyuk too.
My point is that 1-19 this roster doesnt strike me as a Shattenkirk away from contention. I could be wrong on that. But my gut tells me we need an elite forward too. I think it is unlikely we trade for that player, but I feel a lot better about giving Shatty 6 or more years if it is the 2nd move with the 1st being to get a star center.
I get the counter -- 4 lines of NYR forwards rolled the NHL until the D just collapsed. 1 of 2 terrible Ds is gone, and Smith and Shatty for a full season is a big +. Im going on gut here. My bias is a belief that in the playoffs when everyone Ds up and hits that the guys getting by on hustle and smarts (e.g. a Stepan type) become less effective and the guys with god given skill like a Brassard stay effective.
So I said the NYR top 4 on D in the scenario provided was better than PIT top 4 D.
I don't think the gap between these teams is that large. Ottawa was a goal away from a SCF trip and the Rangers (IMV) could have easily beaten the Senators just with better deployment.
I don't think the gap between these teams is that large. Ottawa was a goal away from a SCF trip and the Rangers (IMV) could have easily beaten the Senators just with better deployment.
I concede that there is a lot of merit to this POV. It's just a gut thing. Im also worried that all the blown leads in the playoffs is a demoralizing blow that this group cant overcome. No way to prove it until they lace them up. But that was such a brutal way to go out.
Picks have to be 60-100% of the upper limit of the salary cap, and Vegas cant draft and immediately buyout players. Drafted players cant be bought out by Vegas for until next summer. They can trade for a guy and buy him out, but that wont count towards the 60%.
Im kind of rooting for them to take Fast. I like Fast but I worry we're about to pay him $2+ million to be a 4th liner. After that I'd next rather lose Grabner, if only because I think Raanta can be immediately traded for a late #1 or a #2 plus.
I thought at the time that the 2013/14 and 2014/15 teams were good enough. I thought Hank was better then. I thought the team defense were better though declining (but I get that what we're talking about is an overhauled defense). In retrospect Im not sure they forwards were good enough, and they've gotten better.
Maybe the changes on defense change everything. The better recent Rangers team had an offensive scheme of breakout passes that made sense. The forwards are more talented now but the goals feel a little flukier.
2014-15 Rangers were #3 in GF, #3 in GA. Last year were #4 and #14 respectively. And our bit of a possession problem (fine because of style I think) because a massive possession problem (not fine because we were constantly buried).
AV and luck would be my biggest concerns with that line-up.
Of course, Henrik could just turn into an average goaltender, which would put a hole in those plans.
Dreger: #Isles are "going to do something big in the next week here. And by big, I mean they're going to add an offensive piece." Top-six F
AV and luck would be my biggest concerns with that line-up.
Of course, Henrik could just turn into an average goaltender, which would put a hole in those plans.
Bouncing back yes. Being the best goalie again? Unlikely. Which is a difference. The two years I mentioned, I felt like we could legitimately say "well we've got the best goalie so that's a huge edge"
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If it were not fit Ranger Fans an Icelander thread would have 8 posts.
Don't you have some false windmills to chase? I remember vividly the thread last year that I saved where you accused me of being racist and since you're a black man, I somehow offended you. Sorry, but I don't have time for idiocy. Your opinion means literally nothing. Enjoy your season, but don't include me in your thought process.
It is traditional to tilt at windmills. One need not chase them as they are immobile, being buildings an whatnot.
In any event, you'd rather he go after imagined enemies (as the idiom suggests) rather than our geographic rival's fans? Seems like a weird demand.
Let's keep it to hockey; no need to burn mental bandwidth on stupidity.
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Dreger: #Isles are "going to do something big in the next week here. And by big, I mean they're going to add an offensive piece." Top-six F.
Am I the only one who really doesn't want Eberle?
If they're going to make a big move I want someone who at least tries to play some D
Same Newsday article also refers to Tavares being willing to wait on signing an extension (translation: sky isn't falling if the deal isn't done on July 1) and JT feels confident in the direction the team is heading.
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Dreger: #Isles are "going to do something big in the next week here. And by big, I mean they're going to add an offensive piece." Top-six F.
Am I the only one who really doesn't want Eberle?
If they're going to make a big move I want someone who at least tries to play some D
Eberle has been actively available for what seems like 3-4 years. I'd be wary too.
Same Newsday article also refers to Tavares being willing to wait on signing an extension (translation: sky isn't falling if the deal isn't done on July 1) and JT feels confident in the direction the team is heading.
Isnt the translation that he isnt willing to commit? Im not looking to be a dick Rangers fan, but that all seems like good guy spin. If he was confident and comfortable he'd resign.
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Dreger: #Isles are "going to do something big in the next week here. And by big, I mean they're going to add an offensive piece." Top-six F.
Am I the only one who really doesn't want Eberle?
If they're going to make a big move I want someone who at least tries to play some D
Eberle has been actively available for what seems like 3-4 years. I'd be wary too.
Yup - his name's always thrown out there. I'm really hoping it's not him.
I'd imagine Vegas would want more for taking Kulemin & Grabovski but that would be huge if true.
I think I'm most curious to see what teams ask Vegas to select certain players from them (like the Rangers saying to Vegas, take DeHaan and we'll trade you X for him)
I get the counter -- 4 lines of NYR forwards rolled the NHL until the D just collapsed. 1 of 2 terrible Ds is gone, and Smith and Shatty for a full season is a big +. Im going on gut here. My bias is a belief that in the playoffs when everyone Ds up and hits that the guys getting by on hustle and smarts (e.g. a Stepan type) become less effective and the guys with god given skill like a Brassard stay effective.
I think Deej's 1st sentence of the first quoted para and 2nd sentence of the second quoted para (except I'm not convinced that Brassard is a good exemplar) are about where I stand.
The inability to put Ottawa away when we had leads in Games 2-3 (?) didn't seem to turn on defensive failings, though we know that is (hopefully was) a team weakness but the inability to finish. How many times have we lamented that the Rangers transform average keepers into All Stars?
Those "4 lines of NYR forwards roll[ing] the NHL" (we're really referring only to October and November, aren't we?) shriveled and died in SCP. Our erstwhile horses Miller, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes (even Zucc) became all but invisible, replaced on an intermittent basis by Lindberg, Fast, Zib, and that wasn't enough, so the point about defense cranking down hard in SCP has merit.
It turned out that the d, with a somewhat resuscitated Girardi, even with the mediocre and fading Stahl, were no more the deciding factor in the ouster than an impotent offense, never mind the near-invisible PP.
Lastly, does leaving Lindberg and Fast exposed tell us anything about Vigneault and Gorton?
I'd imagine Vegas would want more for taking Kulemin & Grabovski but that would be huge if true.
Well the get for LVK is that the Isles are shipping the #15 pick too.
Bu it wouldn't be an Isles adventure without drama...Staple just tweeted that he's revising his article and to discount what was reported earlier. Good times, good times.
Also some concern he goes to a team like the Oilers and is unstoppable on their 2nd line. How quickly does Matthews mature into a superstar? Soon enough for him and JT to be a slightly lesser Malkin and Crosby?
Until the Islanders get their shit together, they're not my fear.
Update: #Isles likely trading Mikhail Grabovski to Vegas along with first-round pick in expansion deal, sources say:
What would you imagine the trades would be for Duchene or Galchenyuk (trying to imagine what your roster would look like)
Except Shattenkirk wants to go to the Rangers, not the Islanders (and understandably so).
But even if he just wanted to come home, the Devils can outbid the both of us. They can essentially give Shattenkirk a blank check.
27,91,14
12, 9, 66
29, 13, 72
??, 53, 15
55, 2
44, 22
50, 6
Something like that. But I'm not good at shit like this. Pganut can clean it up for me in editing room.
I dont wanna get too excited because I wont believe Garth does anything positive until I see it.