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Flowers is going to turn heads...

Slade : 6/12/2017 6:23 pm
Not only does he look like he put in the time in the gym... Watched a ton of tape... Worked on mechanics... Hands, feet... Different aura about him...
Well, this is an awful omen.  
Devon : 6/12/2017 6:25 pm : link
Flowers is 95% sure to keep sucking now.
I hope you are right  
ZogZerg : 6/12/2017 6:25 pm : link
We will see.
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adamg : 6/12/2017 6:26 pm : link
It's official  
widmerseyebrow : 6/12/2017 6:29 pm : link
Flowers is a bust.
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Klaatu : 6/12/2017 6:30 pm : link
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River : 6/12/2017 6:32 pm : link
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adamg : 6/12/2017 6:32 pm : link
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chopperhatch : 6/12/2017 6:36 pm : link
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Bahahahaaha....New Edition!

Oh great...Slade is back. Whatcha got for us now?

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Klaatu : 6/12/2017 6:37 pm : link
More likely  
XBRONX : 6/12/2017 6:38 pm : link
to turn stomachs.
That New Edition gif is fantastic!  
Motley Two : 6/12/2017 6:48 pm : link
Going in the archives.
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charlito : 6/12/2017 7:10 pm : link
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Lol. That new edition meme is perfect!




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chopperhatch : 6/12/2017 7:10 pm : link
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Taggart : 6/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
Adamg's gif  
djm : 6/12/2017 7:26 pm : link
Is 100 times scarier than anything else including exorcist.
I don't what I hate more - rumors based on false assumptions  
Ivan15 : 6/12/2017 7:28 pm : link
or rumors that are just made up.
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T-Bone : 6/12/2017 7:29 pm : link
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LMAO!
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2017 7:58 pm : link
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/12/2017 8:00 pm : link
what was the 'eraser' insider information, anyway
RE: lmao  
chopperhatch : 6/12/2017 8:08 pm : link
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what was the 'eraser' insider information, anyway


That he figured out how to post an image on BBI.
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crick n NC : 6/12/2017 8:17 pm : link
RE: Adamg's gif  
Giantology : 6/12/2017 8:27 pm : link
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Is 100 times scarier than anything else including exorcist.


Which part is scaring you exactly?
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River : 6/12/2017 8:29 pm : link
RE: lmao  
arcarsenal : 6/12/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13497570 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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what was the 'eraser' insider information, anyway


We were supposedly signing Reggie Nelson... until we didn't.
Don't buy it  
RetroJint : 6/12/2017 9:30 pm : link
As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.

At best Flowers is going to be very average at his position . I am going to give Solari the benefit of the doubt here and not make him contributory to what was an awful performance for most of the season by Flowers. He played better the previous season on a bad ankle against a tougher schedule .

Look, I'm glad he is in shape . I want their offensive linemen looking like athletes instead of slobs. But I can't see this guy ever being good . Hope I'm wrong . Hope he makes All Pro.
RJ...  
arcarsenal : 6/12/2017 9:32 pm : link
Well, I think Landon Collins raised his game more than 1 octave between years 1 and 2.

Not expecting a jump like that from Flowers, but.. it has happened here as recently as last season.
As long as he doesn't leave us shaking our heads  
est1986 : 6/12/2017 9:57 pm : link
RE: Don't buy it  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/13/2017 2:18 am : link
RetroJint said:
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As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.
Fair point, but one with many exceptions. Corey Webster and Amani Toomer come to mind as recent Giants who were widely written off by Year 3, then blossomed. Jason Sehorn was a non-factor for two years. Rich Seubert went from the end of the bench to the best lineman on the team in a little over a year, before his leg exploded. Even Flowers's predecessor, Will Beatty, made big strides in Years 3 and 4.
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chopperhatch : 6/13/2017 2:43 am : link
In comment 13498037 Big Blue Blogger said:
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As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.

Fair point, but one with many exceptions. Corey Webster and Amani Toomer come to mind as recent Giants who were widely written off by Year 3, then blossomed. Jason Sehorn was a non-factor for two years. Rich Seubert went from the end of the bench to the best lineman on the team in a little over a year, before his leg exploded. Even Flowers's predecessor, Will Beatty, made big strides in Years 3 and 4.


Jumbo Elliot
Tiki Barber
Derrick Ward
Jake Ballard
RE: Don't buy it  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/13/2017 6:28 am : link
In comment 13497710 RetroJint said:
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As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.

At best Flowers is going to be very average at his position . I am going to give Solari the benefit of the doubt here and not make him contributory to what was an awful performance for most of the season by Flowers. He played better the previous season on a bad ankle against a tougher schedule .

Look, I'm glad he is in shape . I want their offensive linemen looking like athletes instead of slobs. But I can't see this guy ever being good . Hope I'm wrong . Hope he makes All Pro.


Coach - Flowers was playing pretty well towards the end of the season last year - and showed real improvement from the beginning of the season to the end of the season. What can you point to that makes you say that he had an awful performance for most of the season - or that he played better the previous season on a bad ankle?
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Klaatu : 6/13/2017 6:53 am : link
In comment 13498048 gidiefor said:
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As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.

At best Flowers is going to be very average at his position . I am going to give Solari the benefit of the doubt here and not make him contributory to what was an awful performance for most of the season by Flowers. He played better the previous season on a bad ankle against a tougher schedule .

Look, I'm glad he is in shape . I want their offensive linemen looking like athletes instead of slobs. But I can't see this guy ever being good . Hope I'm wrong . Hope he makes All Pro.



Coach - Flowers was playing pretty well towards the end of the season last year - and showed real improvement from the beginning of the season to the end of the season. What can you point to that makes you say that he had an awful performance for most of the season - or that he played better the previous season on a bad ankle?


I've said this before - if you buy what PFF is selling, then Flowers played better in his second year than he did in his first. The improvement he showed wasn't monumental, but it was improvement nonetheless. My hope is that he continues to improve.
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gidiefor : Mod : 6/13/2017 7:02 am : link
In comment 13498052 Klaatu said:
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I've said this before - if you buy what PFF is selling, then Flowers played better in his second year than he did in his first. The improvement he showed wasn't monumental, but it was improvement nonetheless. My hope is that he continues to improve.


Klaatu -- I'm not basing my comments on PFF -- I'm basing them on what Eric said in his game reviews and overall assessments based on his film review -- I think Eric has a pretty good eye and trust his observations about players
RE: Don't buy it  
T-Bone : 6/13/2017 7:04 am : link
In comment 13497710 RetroJint said:
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As a coach , I subscribe to the One Octave Theory. Simply stated the most that you can do is bring a player's performance up one octave or level. So you can make a poor player an average player, an average player a good player and so forth.

At best Flowers is going to be very average at his position . I am going to give Solari the benefit of the doubt here and not make him contributory to what was an awful performance for most of the season by Flowers. He played better the previous season on a bad ankle against a tougher schedule .

Look, I'm glad he is in shape . I want their offensive linemen looking like athletes instead of slobs. But I can't see this guy ever being good . Hope I'm wrong . Hope he makes All Pro.


I say this with all due respect Retro, but IMO that's a horrible theory to subscribe to. How can you honestly tell your players to be the best they can be if they're led to believe that they can only marginally improve? What kind of goal is that?

'Hey, if you work hard enough son you can go from being a bad player to just a pretty bad player! Maybe even just average if you REALLY dig in and go to OTAs and shit!'. LOL!
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Klaatu : 6/13/2017 7:05 am : link
In comment 13498058 gidiefor said:
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I've said this before - if you buy what PFF is selling, then Flowers played better in his second year than he did in his first. The improvement he showed wasn't monumental, but it was improvement nonetheless. My hope is that he continues to improve.



Klaatu -- I'm not basing my comments on PFF -- I'm basing them on what Eric said in his game reviews and overall assessments based on his film review -- I think Eric has a pretty good eye and trust his observations about players


I know you weren't. I was just throwing it out there to bolster your argument.
Maybe you can only improve  
section125 : 6/13/2017 7:25 am : link
ability one octave, but Flowers ability is 1st round ability. His technique has been poor, but this is a big strong guy that has good foot speed. He just needs to clean up balance and hand placement.

As for league average, we'd take that this year.
Honeslty  
Motley Two : 6/13/2017 7:33 am : link
Dude probably was the best offensive player (along with Eli) the last time the Giants played a game.
Why is it that many on this site think Flowers had a good game  
Jimmy Googs : 6/13/2017 7:41 am : link
against Green Bay in the playoffs? I recall the guy giving up a few sacks to Mathews and Peppers. One of which caused a turnover.

Or maybe its because that is what's considered to be a good game by Flowers...
RE: Why is it that many on this site think Flowers had a good game  
Motley Two : 6/13/2017 8:01 am : link
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against Green Bay in the playoffs? I recall the guy giving up a few sacks to Mathews and Peppers. One of which caused a turnover.

Or maybe its because that is what's considered to be a good game by Flowers...


I didn't say "good game". Just go back & watch everybody else on offense. Geez, can't even throw a guy a bone.
Wasn't picking on you specifically. Just your post  
Jimmy Googs : 6/13/2017 8:13 am : link
reminded me how often I read in other Flowers-related threads that certain BBI optimists point to his Green Bay game as a "success".

I don't recall him shutting down the left side is all...
Chopper: Interesting list.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/13/2017 9:00 am : link
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Jumbo Elliot
Tiki Barber
Derrick Ward
Jake Ballard
That list speaks to the unpredictability of player development.

Jumbo was pressed into service early in his rookie year when an ankle injury effectively ended Nelson's comeback; Elliott had one game so bad that he might never have seen the field again if he hadn't been a second-round pick on a team where linemen were dropping like flies. He was back in the lineup two months later, and already looked much better. By Year Two, he was among the top run-blocking tackles in the League. He continued to struggle at times with speed, but that's just who he was.

Barber showed great promise as a rookie. He missed a month with a knee injury, and wasn't physically suited to the role of primary ball-carrier (Fassel had limited options as Hampton's wheels were coming off); but Tiki flashed when healthy in his intended role. He then struggled terribly in 1998, before blossoming as a third-down back in 1999. His emergence five years later as the second coming of Marshall Faulk makes hist career one of the strangest ever.

Ward was never in danger of being a bust, because expectations were basically zero after he was poached from the Jets at no cost. As long as Barber was on the team, Ward was pure depth. He also had some setbacks with injuries. As soon as he got to play, he played well.

Ballard doesn't really belong in this discussion. Like Ward, he entered the League with dim prospects. Unlike Ward, he thrived as a rookie - though he needed a year on the practice squad to earn his way onto the team. Unfortunately, his improbable 2011 season was interrupted by an MCL sprain and ended with a career-wrecking ACL tear.
Took Toomer til year FOUR to turn it on  
x meadowlander : 6/13/2017 9:18 am : link
Had 5 1,000 yard seasons between 99' and 03'. First 3 seasons? 635 total yards. TOTAL.

Flowers is still very young. I'm convinced he's going to have a great career.
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djm : 6/13/2017 9:58 am : link
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Is 100 times scarier than anything else including exorcist.



Which part is scaring you exactly?


Possums fucking terrible.
Flowers is 2 years younger than  
Dr. D : 6/13/2017 10:01 am : link
the first OT taken in this years draft. To say he can't improve, possibly drastically, between his 2nd and 3rd seasons is silly, imo.

There's a long list of players who took 2-3 years to become really good players.

We don't need him to be Anthony Munoz. I'll take above average.
regarding Flowers  
djm : 6/13/2017 10:01 am : link
watch the games in December other than Dallas. Flowers definitely played better. Doesn't take a football savant to see it either. I am far from an expert on OL play but there weren't many breakdowns on the left side of the OL in games against Detroit, Washington or GreenBay. I don't remember the philly game.

He definitely played better down the stretch.
I'm going to have nightmares  
Dr. D : 6/13/2017 10:03 am : link
about that hair band River posted. Scary shit.
RE: I'm going to have nightmares  
x meadowlander : 6/13/2017 10:16 am : link
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about that hair band River posted. Scary shit.
Yeah - what band is that?
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Dr. D : 6/13/2017 10:46 am : link
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about that hair band River posted. Scary shit.

Yeah - what band is that?


I have hundreds of albums and thousands of songs in my library from Buddy Holly, Howling Wolf, Bob Marley, The Who to Wilco, Death Cab and Arcade Fire, to name a very few... but no Slade; not my thing. No offense to any of their fans.

BBI disappointed me with this thread.......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 6/13/2017 1:31 pm : link
no hot woman in a bikini or something else revealing turning heads?
Great stuff made me me laugh  
TMS : 6/13/2017 6:47 pm : link
thanks guys.
Have you ever run into a possum?  
Doomster : 6/13/2017 9:35 pm : link
They don't play dead.....
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