Anyone hear it???
Mike was SCREAMING at Kim
Kim was defending OBJ, and stood her ground hard. Told Mike he's the only only who still cares etc..
Mike kept bringing up the breakfast OBJ skipped etc etc
It was INSANELY AWKWARD. Kim WOULD NOT BOW TO THE POPE AT ALL!!! IT WAS INSANE!!!!
Same here I almost had to stop the car
And Mike kept saying no I'm right youwa wrong!!! Snacks came!!! COLLINS CAME, WE PAID OBJ HE DIDNT SHOW etc
Then Mike even ripped OV a little too
Mike was mad lol
I don't see anything on wfan website hmm maybe YouTube maybe
I miss Mike on yes
There's some truth in mike's ridiculous take on Beckham but he's way over the top. And he's backing himself in to a corner with all this nostalgic crap about players of yesterday never missing OTAs. Then he said the OTAs weren't even optional back then. This is irrelevant since virtually every single high profile player going back then missed actual training camp time over money or other "selfish" reasons. The whole rant sounds like a misinformed looney fan. He also fails to even acknowledge that other stat players from all over the NFL miss these things. He literally ignored Kim when she mentioned this.
It's on WFAN website.
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It's unfortunate, but he has been a caricature of himself since his incessant rants about O.J. After about a year of it I changed the channel, and never looked back.
Today's baller has to follow the Darwinian curve. Accrue as much money as possible, as quickly as you can. Today's player is not only subjected to CTE, and its associated ailments, they also play on a surface designed to expedite movement, and accommodate the next "event."
Few owners are still in it for "Love of the Game.. Jerry Jones, changed the game when he purchased the Cowboys, and licensed everything including the teams vending machines. Players are a commodity, and to paraphrase our DB coach: rarely does one come along that changes the game.
Me thinks we have two of those players in OBJ, and Collins. I believe they'll both end their career in NY, although I honestly believe Collins has more upside. Collins played more instinctively last year, as was evidenced by the ferocity of his tackles. I think we witness greatness this year.
the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin
But for those that think this was an argument.... Please.
There was nothing wrong with it.....I expected a drag out fight......the way people were describing it.
the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin
BINGO! Whenever Mike has some weird hatred towards an athlete, this is it. Mike hates Curry chewing on his mouthpiece(sure) curry just wont go on his show. Hates JJ Watt for being in on offense in a playoff game and calls him overrated? Please, Watt just dont know who Mike is and wont go on his show.
He thinks OBJ should be at OTAs. He made some valid points along with his BS.
She wasn't even backing odell as much as she wasn't crucifying him and she was getting on Mike. Everyone wants Odell to be as close to perfect as possible. People are just out of control with this crap.
the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin
100%. This is his MO. Strahan and Shockey are a few guys that come to mind. When they don't do his show, he attacks them at any opportunity. He's a POS.
But the point I think MF was trying to make -- VERY INARTICULATELY -- has some validity.
Throw out his nonsense about showing up for the sake of "team unity" -- no one in the locker thinks that's an issue. I understand that old-school thinking, but for OTAs, in this era, with this player who's well liked in the locker room, it's a non-issue.
Throw out that he missed OTAs as a protest for a new contract. That's a story trumped up by the media.
What MF eventually got around to, and seemed to be saying -- to my ears anyway was that:
No, missing OTA's isn't going to hurt OBJ on the field or set him back. But his not being there and/or missing other team events like that breakfast, DOES indicate that he hasn't grown up much since last year.
I also begrudgingly thought that MF was sort of right about OBJ being more explosive (and productive) than "great" -- a term that is thrown around rather too easily. Aside from being super talented, great players have other characteristics that OBJ hasn't shown yet.
Yes, he's a great talent. And yes, he can lead by example on the field, but he doesn't conduct himself publicly like a team leader yet. He doesn't get the optics of his actions yet. He doesn't exude much maturity at all (he's still very young).
So when MF says: "I don't see that he's grown up much from last season -- when his GM told him to grow-up." It's hard to argue with that point.
And I think it was the only valid point he was making.
I have no doubt OBJ will get better in these respects, but in many ways he isn't there yet. And nothing in OBJ's offseason points to progress in this regard.
The breakfast? Other guys can respond better than I can, but I believe he gave notice and Francessa was ripping him for selfish reasons.
Randy Moss was bashing a police officer's head on the hood of a car a couple years into his career, but there was no denying he was great.
Aaron Hernandez was murdering people and into all sorts of shady shit, but if you didn't think he was great, I don't know what metrics people use.
With Beckham I get that people don't like the antics, but antics don't define if a player is great or not - talent and production determines that.
Don't confuse the two.
Nothing illegal or bad going on here, but until he's either played great in playoff games or won a title, this stuff IS going to dog him. And his coaches and teammates are going to be asked about it and forced to waste time talking about it.
No, it's not the end of the world. Let's just say it's a less than ideal distraction that the team doesn't need. And he seems either oblivious about it, or ambivalent about it.
He's early 20s and already an established all-pro talent well on pace for a record breaking hall of fame career.
but he wasn't catching passes @ voluntary OTAs ...
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Fatcesa hated Strahan, 100 percent. He loved Tiki.
Right Shockey had a great career, no doubt about it. And all the partying he did? Matt Harvey won't have the life and career Shockey did.
Definitely with Shockey, which began with Shockey blowing off his regularly scheduled time on WFAN at least once, and I think a couple times
and on a side note, re: previous thread that was not unexpectedly deleted, you had replied to what I was saying with a very reasonable point, appreciate that. In thinking on it, I had made an assumption based on the early chatter I was reading that wasn't yet verified, which is always dangerous ground. Even when I've disagreed with something your saying, I always respect the measured way in which you post on topics like that
He brings up this breakfast. Was Eli at this breakfast? Doesn't sound like it. So maybe the organization should come down on Eli for this breakfast.
Then Fatcessa said OBJ is not a great player. That's insane. He says he's an "explosive player but not a great player."
It is comments like this that make the Odell stuff troubling because people are really taking their personal feelings about him and judging his play. Look I don't like the guy and his haircuts and I wouldn't want to party with him either but I know what he does on the field.
It's about having the maturity and awareness to realize that because of who he is and his CELEBRITY stature (he is not JUST a player), EVERYTHING he does WILL BE overblown. And then conducting himself accordingly to minimize any distractions that causes for himself, his coaches, and teammates.
And he isn't doing that. He's just living his life and letting the chips fall where they may.
So he's still doing things that, while they are quite harmless, often look bad given the context of:
1) everything he does is news
2)his past sideline antics
3) his having a lousy playoff game and punching a hole in the wall after the boat trip.
4) His teammates being at OTAs
Now you can say it doesn't matter, and/or forgive it because he's a star -- we've forgiven way worse for other stars. But it HAS been a minor distraction in that his coaches and teammates have had to deal with questions about it.
Terrell Owens was a great player. Micheal Irvin was a great player. Jeremy Shockey was a great player.
Beckham is a side-show, mostly fueled by the Media, and he is a great WR.
To say Mike F. isn't completely off base by saying he's explosive and not great is just flat out wrong.
Terrell Owens was a great player. Micheal Irvin was a great player. Jeremy Shockey was a great player.
Beckham is a side-show, mostly fueled by the Media, and he is a great WR.
To say Mike F. isn't completely off base by saying he's explosive and not great is just flat out wrong.
Thoughts on what the former chris r thinks?
It's about having the maturity and awareness to realize that because of who he is and his CELEBRITY stature (he is not JUST a player), EVERYTHING he does WILL BE overblown. And then conducting himself accordingly to minimize any distractions that causes for himself, his coaches, and teammates.
The problem with this is that it puts the responsibility on the player to "act accordingly" because the people who consistently overblow trivial nonsense can't or won't control themselves.
Except that she was right about OBJ from the get-go, while most every other pundit was very quick to crucify the kid, including Francessa.
Speak for yourself. I like hearing from thoughtful people, not some tired hack mailing it in until retirement day.
And just to clear, as a fan, what LT did was his own business because he showed up on Sunday and raised his teammates to another level, where they would not have been without him.
Odell did not show up in Green Bay.
If you are going to be the big media star, show up on game day in the playoffs. Put the team on your back and will them to victory. Because that is what LT did
Correct. B-Mac also wouldn't do it that's why he ditched the stupid radio spot.
But, to his Beckham point, he is saying that the Giants will need to exercise some discipline on him sooner or later and and the longer it goes on, the tougher it will be. I haven't forgotten that Beckham went to Miami the
week of the GB playoff game. If he plays great or even OK, no problem. But, he had a horrible game' how many TD passes did he drop? A great player comes up great in the big games and Beckham did not. He's young and hopefully he'll make the plays this year that he didn't do last year with Engram and Marshall helping but he didn't last year. And that said, he could have, and I think should have, come to OTA and take a leadership role that this year the team is going deep into the playoffs.
The comparison to Shockey is a good one. Shockey ended up having a nice career and injuries for sure derailed him. But, he didn't have that great career with the Gians and part of the reason is that the team did not keep him in check. They got better when he left. It shouldn't have come to that and I think Francesa is saying that Beckham's unchecked sideline tantrums and acting like s diva which includes not going to the OTAs, could have the same outcome that Shockey did. Not saying it will but it could and thatb would really suck for Giants fans.
I think he dropped two passes. Wasn't one of them a 6 yard out on 3rd and short?