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Francesa and Kim Jones discussing OBJ earlier...

DennyInDenville : 6/13/2017 10:37 pm
Anyone hear it???

Mike was SCREAMING at Kim

Kim was defending OBJ, and stood her ground hard. Told Mike he's the only only who still cares etc..

Mike kept bringing up the breakfast OBJ skipped etc etc

It was INSANELY AWKWARD. Kim WOULD NOT BOW TO THE POPE AT ALL!!! IT WAS INSANE!!!!
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i listenred to it live  
DaddyM89 : 6/13/2017 10:40 pm : link
very entertaining lol
RE: i listenred to it live  
DennyInDenville : 6/13/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13499119 DaddyM89 said:
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very entertaining lol

Same here I almost had to stop the car
She told Mike he was wrong like 6 consecutive times about the breakfas  
DennyInDenville : 6/13/2017 10:43 pm : link
Breakfast being team related

And Mike kept saying no I'm right youwa wrong!!! Snacks came!!! COLLINS CAME, WE PAID OBJ HE DIDNT SHOW etc

Then Mike even ripped OV a little too

Mike was mad lol
Yeah we discussed it a bit  
bceagle05 : 6/13/2017 10:44 pm : link
on the pinned mini-camp thread. Kim handled it well. Mike tried to wax poetic about the Parcells era, and Kim shot right back with LT and his antics. She also brought up Strahan blowing off training camp and the Giants welcoming him back with open arms. She didn't take any crap and I don't blame her - she covers the Giants for the NFL Network and is more plugged in than Mike is in his WFAN cave.
Why is Mike still mad about the breakfast??  
Vin R : 6/13/2017 10:49 pm : link
More food & Diet Coke for him :)
Is it online?  
Anakim : 6/13/2017 11:06 pm : link
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RE: Is it online?  
DennyInDenville : 6/13/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13499136 Anakim said:
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I don't see anything on wfan website hmm maybe YouTube maybe

I miss Mike on yes
He hates the modern pro athletic landscape  
djm : 6/13/2017 11:15 pm : link
Kept going on and on about how today's athlete gets too much praise too soon before the player truly earns his stripes. This is of course bullshit but Mike is just going through that phase where everything new needs to get off his lawn. He actually said Beckham wasn't a great player merely just explosive. Ok there Mike.

There's some truth in mike's ridiculous take on Beckham but he's way over the top. And he's backing himself in to a corner with all this nostalgic crap about players of yesterday never missing OTAs. Then he said the OTAs weren't even optional back then. This is irrelevant since virtually every single high profile player going back then missed actual training camp time over money or other "selfish" reasons. The whole rant sounds like a misinformed looney fan. He also fails to even acknowledge that other stat players from all over the NFL miss these things. He literally ignored Kim when she mentioned this.
Franceser needs to retire tomorrow  
B in ALB : 6/13/2017 11:20 pm : link
Enough already.
RE: Is it online?  
GiantGolfer : 6/13/2017 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13499136 Anakim said:
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It's on WFAN website.
Link - ( New Window )
Kim Jones  
Joey in VA : 6/14/2017 12:36 am : link
Is backing Odell? That's it, i'm switching my vote. What Kim says goes for all matters.
If Big Mike,  
Spike13 : 6/14/2017 1:28 am : link
we're tendered a contract the likes of which Howard Stern, received when he moved to satellite, he wouldn't be around long enough to say goodbye.

It's unfortunate, but he has been a caricature of himself since his incessant rants about O.J. After about a year of it I changed the channel, and never looked back.

Today's baller has to follow the Darwinian curve. Accrue as much money as possible, as quickly as you can. Today's player is not only subjected to CTE, and its associated ailments, they also play on a surface designed to expedite movement, and accommodate the next "event."

Few owners are still in it for "Love of the Game.. Jerry Jones, changed the game when he purchased the Cowboys, and licensed everything including the teams vending machines. Players are a commodity, and to paraphrase our DB coach: rarely does one come along that changes the game.

Me thinks we have two of those players in OBJ, and Collins. I believe they'll both end their career in NY, although I honestly believe Collins has more upside. Collins played more instinctively last year, as was evidenced by the ferocity of his tackles. I think we witness greatness this year.
it is simple  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2017 4:46 am : link
beckham refuses to go on his show or let francesa interview him so in turn francesa hates him...

the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin
Fireworks? Decent interview  
George from PA : 6/14/2017 6:34 am : link
Both have different opinion on how to handle OBJ.....

But for those that think this was an argument.... Please.

There was nothing wrong with it.....I expected a drag out fight......the way people were describing it.
RE: it is simple  
KWhite2250 : 6/14/2017 7:36 am : link
In comment 13499293 nygiants16 said:
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beckham refuses to go on his show or let francesa interview him so in turn francesa hates him...

the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin


BINGO! Whenever Mike has some weird hatred towards an athlete, this is it. Mike hates Curry chewing on his mouthpiece(sure) curry just wont go on his show. Hates JJ Watt for being in on offense in a playoff game and calls him overrated? Please, Watt just dont know who Mike is and wont go on his show.
Nothing new here. Mike's a blowhard, and  
CT Charlie : 6/14/2017 7:38 am : link
Kim's a professional.
Yeah, I actually thought is was a decent discussion (for fat ass)  
ZogZerg : 6/14/2017 7:49 am : link
They disagreed with each other and each held their ground.

He thinks OBJ should be at OTAs. He made some valid points along with his BS.
RE: Kim Jones  
djm : 6/14/2017 8:00 am : link
In comment 13499222 Joey in VA said:
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Is backing Odell? That's it, i'm switching my vote. What Kim says goes for all matters.


She wasn't even backing odell as much as she wasn't crucifying him and she was getting on Mike. Everyone wants Odell to be as close to perfect as possible. People are just out of control with this crap.
I think players are what they are personality wise.  
Stu11 : 6/14/2017 8:50 am : link
old farts like Mike, and some here have this view of how everyone should be. The fact is we are all unique and have different personalities. Some guys just march to a different beat. The Giants and other teams fined/suspended Plaxico Burress 400 times and it never changed him. I think the organization is figuring out OBJ. The fact is his first 3 years in the league have been historic so like LT you simply are going to put up with more than you would out of the 3rd string RT. To fight over is like the old man screaming at the TV.
oh and yea it was a healthy exchange  
Stu11 : 6/14/2017 8:57 am : link
I would hardly call it a screaming match. The only kind of awkward moment was the breakfast thing because Mike was insisting it was a team event and she was doubting that but finally conceded she was wrong. At the end she even offered to buy him a Diet Coke(no word on whether it would be a 60 ouncer)
RE: it is simple  
Keith : 6/14/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13499293 nygiants16 said:
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beckham refuses to go on his show or let francesa interview him so in turn francesa hates him...

the reason he continues to bitch about the breakfast is because he finally thought he was going to get a chancd to interview hin


100%. This is his MO. Strahan and Shockey are a few guys that come to mind. When they don't do his show, he attacks them at any opportunity. He's a POS.
Francessa is a blowhard  
David B. : 6/14/2017 10:02 am : link
And I very much respect Kim Jones.

But the point I think MF was trying to make -- VERY INARTICULATELY -- has some validity.

Throw out his nonsense about showing up for the sake of "team unity" -- no one in the locker thinks that's an issue. I understand that old-school thinking, but for OTAs, in this era, with this player who's well liked in the locker room, it's a non-issue.

Throw out that he missed OTAs as a protest for a new contract. That's a story trumped up by the media.

What MF eventually got around to, and seemed to be saying -- to my ears anyway was that:

No, missing OTA's isn't going to hurt OBJ on the field or set him back. But his not being there and/or missing other team events like that breakfast, DOES indicate that he hasn't grown up much since last year.

I also begrudgingly thought that MF was sort of right about OBJ being more explosive (and productive) than "great" -- a term that is thrown around rather too easily. Aside from being super talented, great players have other characteristics that OBJ hasn't shown yet.

Yes, he's a great talent. And yes, he can lead by example on the field, but he doesn't conduct himself publicly like a team leader yet. He doesn't get the optics of his actions yet. He doesn't exude much maturity at all (he's still very young).

So when MF says: "I don't see that he's grown up much from last season -- when his GM told him to grow-up." It's hard to argue with that point.
And I think it was the only valid point he was making.

I have no doubt OBJ will get better in these respects, but in many ways he isn't there yet. And nothing in OBJ's offseason points to progress in this regard.



How does missing OTA's or the breakfast  
Keith : 6/14/2017 10:11 am : link
indicate that he hasn't grown up?? Regarding OTA's, there are a ton of veterans that don't go to OTA's, does that mean they are immature? OBJ is not going to let the media dictate his decisions. Optics mean nothing in this situation. Until we see how OBJ acts when the pressure is on(during games!!) we will have no idea how he has matured because thats the only place he needs to mature. He's a perfect citizen off the field.

The breakfast? Other guys can respond better than I can, but I believe he gave notice and Francessa was ripping him for selfish reasons.
I know it is a ...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2017 10:27 am : link
subjective term, but if a player who is among the all-time leaders for TD's and receptions in his first few years isn't considered "great", then I'm not sure when it would apply.

Randy Moss was bashing a police officer's head on the hood of a car a couple years into his career, but there was no denying he was great.

Aaron Hernandez was murdering people and into all sorts of shady shit, but if you didn't think he was great, I don't know what metrics people use.

With Beckham I get that people don't like the antics, but antics don't define if a player is great or not - talent and production determines that.

Don't confuse the two.
He's a perfect citizen off the field  
David B. : 6/14/2017 10:30 am : link
But not a perfect NFL player off the field. He's paparazzi bait at this point. Everything he does is under a TMZ microscope. Celebrity women he's seen with, working out with Manziel instead of teammates -- the poster boy for flunking out of football. Being at a basketball game when his teammates are at OTAs. Being on the boat before the playoff game, and then coming up small in the game.

Nothing illegal or bad going on here, but until he's either played great in playoff games or won a title, this stuff IS going to dog him. And his coaches and teammates are going to be asked about it and forced to waste time talking about it.

No, it's not the end of the world. Let's just say it's a less than ideal distraction that the team doesn't need. And he seems either oblivious about it, or ambivalent about it.

I glanced over that gem, lol.  
Keith : 6/14/2017 10:31 am : link
If you don't think OBJ is great, then I don't know what the hell to tell you. Great route runner, great hands, extremely explosive, elusive, upper echelon speed, quickness. How in the world is OBJ not great???
Didn't Francesa have beefs  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2017 10:35 am : link
with Stray & Shockey? Once he has an opinion of you, it's pretty hard for Big Mike to admit he was wrong.
mike  
annexOPR : 6/14/2017 10:38 am : link
said Odell isn't yet a great player.

He's early 20s and already an established all-pro talent well on pace for a record breaking hall of fame career.

but he wasn't catching passes @ voluntary OTAs ...
Here's the audio  
LCtheINTMachine : 6/14/2017 10:38 am : link
Mike hates OBJ, he hates him. Great radio.
Fatcesa rips OBJ in Jones interview - ( New Window )
I love how he always uses Shockey as some cautionary tale.  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2017 10:39 am : link
I'm no big fan of Shockey, but the guy played 10 years in the NFL, has two Super Bowl rings, caught the game-winning TD from Brees in the NO/Indy Super Bowl, made multiple Pro Bowls, and was All-Pro at least once or twice. Made a fortune doing it, too. Injuries are the only reason Shockey's not on his way to the Hall of Fame, yet Mike acts like it was the Giants not reigning him in a little.
RE: Didn't Francesa have beefs  
LCtheINTMachine : 6/14/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13499501 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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with Stray & Shockey? Once he has an opinion of you, it's pretty hard for Big Mike to admit he was wrong.


Fatcesa hated Strahan, 100 percent. He loved Tiki.
RE: I love how he always uses Shockey as some cautionary tale.  
LCtheINTMachine : 6/14/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13499509 bceagle05 said:
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I'm no big fan of Shockey, but the guy played 10 years in the NFL, has two Super Bowl rings, caught the game-winning TD from Brees in the NO/Indy Super Bowl, made multiple Pro Bowls, and was All-Pro at least once or twice. Made a fortune doing it, too. Injuries are the only reason Shockey's not on his way to the Hall of Fame, yet Mike acts like it was the Giants not reigning him in a little.


Right Shockey had a great career, no doubt about it. And all the partying he did? Matt Harvey won't have the life and career Shockey did.
RE: Didn't Francesa have beefs  
mfsd : 6/14/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13499501 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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with Stray & Shockey? Once he has an opinion of you, it's pretty hard for Big Mike to admit he was wrong.


Definitely with Shockey, which began with Shockey blowing off his regularly scheduled time on WFAN at least once, and I think a couple times

and on a side note, re: previous thread that was not unexpectedly deleted, you had replied to what I was saying with a very reasonable point, appreciate that. In thinking on it, I had made an assumption based on the early chatter I was reading that wasn't yet verified, which is always dangerous ground. Even when I've disagreed with something your saying, I always respect the measured way in which you post on topics like that
He's a perfect NFL player off the field.  
Keith : 6/14/2017 10:45 am : link
Has a great relationship with his teammates. He works hard at perfecting his craft. He doesn't get in trouble or put the team in a bad situation. HOw exactly is he not a perfect player off the field? Because he doesn't give a crap about stupid made up stories?
I still remember the afternoon  
Enzo : 6/14/2017 10:49 am : link
when Shockey called in late (for like the 5th week in a row) for his weekly spot and Mike told his producer he didn't want him on. Hysterical. FWIW, Odell was on Mike's show in training camp last summer. IIRC, it was a cordial interview. There was some truth to what Mike was saying, but he was way over the top in the majority of his comments with Kim.
You gotta like  
LCtheINTMachine : 6/14/2017 10:49 am : link
the lack of logic by Fatcessa.

He brings up this breakfast. Was Eli at this breakfast? Doesn't sound like it. So maybe the organization should come down on Eli for this breakfast.

Then Fatcessa said OBJ is not a great player. That's insane. He says he's an "explosive player but not a great player."

It is comments like this that make the Odell stuff troubling because people are really taking their personal feelings about him and judging his play. Look I don't like the guy and his haircuts and I wouldn't want to party with him either but I know what he does on the field.

I agree a lot of it is overblown nonsense  
David B. : 6/14/2017 11:11 am : link
He's not doing anything bad or illegal.

It's about having the maturity and awareness to realize that because of who he is and his CELEBRITY stature (he is not JUST a player), EVERYTHING he does WILL BE overblown. And then conducting himself accordingly to minimize any distractions that causes for himself, his coaches, and teammates.

And he isn't doing that. He's just living his life and letting the chips fall where they may.

So he's still doing things that, while they are quite harmless, often look bad given the context of:

1) everything he does is news
2)his past sideline antics
3) his having a lousy playoff game and punching a hole in the wall after the boat trip.
4) His teammates being at OTAs

Now you can say it doesn't matter, and/or forgive it because he's a star -- we've forgiven way worse for other stars. But it HAS been a minor distraction in that his coaches and teammates have had to deal with questions about it.
And all of that aside..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2017 11:14 am : link
still doesn't mean he isn't a great player.

Terrell Owens was a great player. Micheal Irvin was a great player. Jeremy Shockey was a great player.

Beckham is a side-show, mostly fueled by the Media, and he is a great WR.

To say Mike F. isn't completely off base by saying he's explosive and not great is just flat out wrong.
RE: And all of that aside..  
Big Blue '56 : 6/14/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13499568 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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still doesn't mean he isn't a great player.

Terrell Owens was a great player. Micheal Irvin was a great player. Jeremy Shockey was a great player.

Beckham is a side-show, mostly fueled by the Media, and he is a great WR.

To say Mike F. isn't completely off base by saying he's explosive and not great is just flat out wrong.


Thoughts on what the former chris r thinks?
RE: I agree a lot of it is overblown nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/14/2017 11:59 am : link
In comment 13499565 David B. said:
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He's not doing anything bad or illegal.

It's about having the maturity and awareness to realize that because of who he is and his CELEBRITY stature (he is not JUST a player), EVERYTHING he does WILL BE overblown. And then conducting himself accordingly to minimize any distractions that causes for himself, his coaches, and teammates.



The problem with this is that it puts the responsibility on the player to "act accordingly" because the people who consistently overblow trivial nonsense can't or won't control themselves.
OBJ stuff is overblown  
siena16 : 6/14/2017 12:05 pm : link
Nobody really cares what Kim jones thinks or says, If she has half the success that Francesa has had in 30 years then maybe we would listen. All this OBJ stuff is blown way out of proportion.......win games and who cares
RE: OBJ stuff is overblown  
Klaatu : 6/14/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13499667 siena16 said:
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Nobody really cares what Kim jones thinks or says, If she has half the success that Francesa has had in 30 years then maybe we would listen. All this OBJ stuff is blown way out of proportion.......win games and who cares


Except that she was right about OBJ from the get-go, while most every other pundit was very quick to crucify the kid, including Francessa.
RE: OBJ stuff is overblown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/14/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13499667 siena16 said:
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Nobody really cares what Kim jones thinks or says, If she has half the success that Francesa has had in 30 years then maybe we would listen. All this OBJ stuff is blown way out of proportion.......win games and who cares


Speak for yourself. I like hearing from thoughtful people, not some tired hack mailing it in until retirement day.
Kim Jones is one of the best sports reporters in the business.  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2017 12:14 pm : link
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LT made OBJ look like a choir boy  
Vanzetti : 6/14/2017 12:14 pm : link
Just there was no social media back them. So people were not posting photos of Lawrence in the crack house at 5 AM.

And just to clear, as a fan, what LT did was his own business because he showed up on Sunday and raised his teammates to another level, where they would not have been without him.

Odell did not show up in Green Bay.

If you are going to be the big media star, show up on game day in the playoffs. Put the team on your back and will them to victory. Because that is what LT did

Kim Jones covers the Giants for the NFL Network.  
Klaatu : 6/14/2017 12:17 pm : link
Anyone who doesn't care what she "thinks or says" is a fool. Anyone who would elevate Francessa over her when it comes to the Giants is twice a fool.
Mike rode Tuna's coattails to prominence  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/14/2017 12:29 pm : link
He really hasn't had anything really insightful to say about the Giants in years. He likes guys who suck up to him. OBJ doesn't. Oh well....
RE: Mike rode Tuna's coattails to prominence  
LCtheINTMachine : 6/14/2017 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13499723 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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He really hasn't had anything really insightful to say about the Giants in years. He likes guys who suck up to him. OBJ doesn't. Oh well....


Correct. B-Mac also wouldn't do it that's why he ditched the stupid radio spot.
What He Said About Beckham  
Samiam : 6/14/2017 12:47 pm : link
His points about Beckham are pretty accurate. I'm assuming that most of the people here who are criticizing Francesa didn't hear what he said or don't listen to him at all but love to pile it on. This isn't to say that he doesn't make mistakes. Anybody that's on the air 5 plus hours a day every day will make mistakes. I keep coming back to when he's gone from the air, we'll be stuck with a shill like Michael Kay or other inlistenables like Beningo.

But, to his Beckham point, he is saying that the Giants will need to exercise some discipline on him sooner or later and and the longer it goes on, the tougher it will be. I haven't forgotten that Beckham went to Miami the
week of the GB playoff game. If he plays great or even OK, no problem. But, he had a horrible game' how many TD passes did he drop? A great player comes up great in the big games and Beckham did not. He's young and hopefully he'll make the plays this year that he didn't do last year with Engram and Marshall helping but he didn't last year. And that said, he could have, and I think should have, come to OTA and take a leadership role that this year the team is going deep into the playoffs.

The comparison to Shockey is a good one. Shockey ended up having a nice career and injuries for sure derailed him. But, he didn't have that great career with the Gians and part of the reason is that the team did not keep him in check. They got better when he left. It shouldn't have come to that and I think Francesa is saying that Beckham's unchecked sideline tantrums and acting like s diva which includes not going to the OTAs, could have the same outcome that Shockey did. Not saying it will but it could and thatb would really suck for Giants fans.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2017 12:50 pm : link
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But, he had a horrible game' how many TD passes did he drop?


I think he dropped two passes. Wasn't one of them a 6 yard out on 3rd and short?
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