Anyone hear it???
Mike was SCREAMING at Kim
Kim was defending OBJ, and stood her ground hard. Told Mike he's the only only who still cares etc..
Mike kept bringing up the breakfast OBJ skipped etc etc
It was INSANELY AWKWARD. Kim WOULD NOT BOW TO THE POPE AT ALL!!! IT WAS INSANE!!!!
Owens was part of the best Eagles team in both the Reid-era and recent memory, largely by his own doing. Owens scored 14 times in 14 games that year.
He was likely going to be SB MVP if their defense could have held against NE. He was fantastic in a game where he returned from a broken leg way ahead of schedule.
Moss was a helmet catch away from a perfect season.
If things beyond each players control happened differently, they'd both have Super Bowl rings and would have been major parts of those accomplishments.
Moss also scored in that SB. Just like Burress. Just like Shockey. Guys you keep referring to as losing players seem to show up in February quite a bit over the course of time. I think it's a bullshit narrative and don't buy it one bit.
So, the idea that players like them hold teams back? Yeah, I think it's 100% bullshit.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Medical science might need to do a case study on Terrell Owens. He might have made the greatest recovery from an injury in 39 years of the Super Bowl.
Just seven weeks ago, Owens broke his leg and tore a critical ligament in his right ankle. He needed surgery and his surgeon wouldn't clear him to play against the Patriots. The medical world thought he was crazy. Owens fooled them all by playing 62 of 72 offensive snaps and catching nine passes for 122 yards.
It might have been the most courageous performance in Super Bowl history. To no one's surprise, T.O. was the first off the field and the first to the podium in the postgame interview room. Even though the Eagles were the losers, 24-21, in Super Bowl XXXIX, Owens was a big winner.
He did what was considered impossible.
Cornerbacks Randall Gay and Asante Samuel played man-to-man defense about 95 percent of the snaps.
That meant either Gay, an undrafted rookie, or Samuel, a second-year cornerback, would be man-to-man against T.O. Quarterback Donovan McNabb wasted no time by throwing his first completion to Owens for seven yards. Throughout the crowd, you could hear the mutterings, "He's back."
"What that man did was incredible," Samuel said. "To come back the way he did from a broken ankle and play at the level he played. Well, what can you say? Some may [have] thought Owens was selfish, but he didn't want to miss the stage of the Super Bowl for himself and his teammates. Sure, he wasn't the same Owens. He didn't have great explosiveness in his run. There were times that he appeared to be limping."
But McNabb kept sending Owens downfield and kept hitting him with passes. He was making a statement.
"Before we came down here, I knew I was going to play all along," Owens said. "The media made it a situation to where they thought I was grandstanding. But like I told a lot of people. If [that was] Brett Favre, they would have called him a warrior."
http://archive.boston.com/sports/articles/2005/02/03/specialists_say_owens_risking_career/
Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens could suffer a career-ending injury should he play in Sunday's Super Bowl, and the team is ethically obligated to prevent him from taking such a risk, according to local medical specialists.
Boston area orthopedic experts said Owens's injury, a fractured right fibula and torn lower leg ligament, could easily be aggravated by a hard hit, an uneven landing, or a sudden pivot -- all in a day's work for an NFL receiver.
Moreover, despite Owens's claims of fitness, his physical skills are likely impaired by his injury, according to the specialists. They said it would be unwise -- and unethical -- for the Eagles to ignore the advice of Owens's surgeon, Dr. Mark Myerson. The president of the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society, Myerson has said Owens should not play.
"Can't win with that guy!"
I fully expect other fans to call Beckham a gaping asshole. We can even call him that.
But again - having the perception of being a gaping asshole doesn't mean he is a detriment to the team or can't win. Ray Lewis seemed to be a gaping asshole. Brett Favre seemed like a gaping asshole. The entire squads of the Cowboys and Raiders in the 70's were roided up, drugged out gaping assholes. Assholes still win rings.
We get that you don't like his antics. But to say they spill over into production or the ability to win is pure speculation, just like making a comment that there is no chance the giants would've won that SB with Shockey.
It's irrelevant. You don't win Championships by having the highest concentration of nice guys or good samaritans.
The majority of the teams Owens played for in his career were very good and he was a big reason why. He was on an Eagles team that won 13 games, he was on a Cowboys team that won 13 games, he was on a 49er team that won 13 games (plus, three 12-win teams on top of that)
People who say things like "Beckham will never win anything in his career" are being ridiculous. There is a long list of guys in this league who had questionable personalities and were on the winning end of a fuck ton of football games.
Does every fan outside of NY think OBJ is a gaping ahole? Doesn't seem that way to me. Seems like he's a pretty well liked guy outside of NY. So why if he was in philly would we all of a sudden hate him? Because he's on a rival maybe?
It's a ridiculous stance to say we need to get rid of a generational talent because of the outside chance that he can get hurt or become a problem child. This guy is looking for reasons to climb out of this hole he's in and he's coming across like a moron. It's really not even worth discussing further at this point. OBJ isn't going anywhere. OBJ is, one of the best, if not the best WR in football. He is one of the only guys who has the ability to take any 5 yard curl to the house. He's electric. He's well liked(are all 9B followers Giants fans??). He's a quality human being off the field that connects with people.
Is he perfect? No. He's definitely immature and needs to learn how to channel is passion. He will. He will also sign a massive contract and hopefully we can all rub it in this guys face every time he dominates, which will probably be 3 out of every 4 games. I look forward to that.
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He's not even in the same universe as TO when it comes to being a distraction or divisive force in the locker room. The only similarities those guys share is being incredibly talented.
He hasn't been yet, but are you honestly telling me you don't see any potential of it happening?
I see zero chance of that hapopening
and yet the best eagles team over the last 55 years featured Owens at WR. hmmmm....
Which carries more weight in the grand scheme of things? Perception or reality?
What we DO know is that Shockey freelanced on his routes, or just plain fucked them up. He was also a pain in the ass on the sideline and in the huddle, and gave Eli shit when he didn't get him the ball. This has been corroborated by multiple sources over the years.
Much of the same (and worse) can be said about Plax...some of it extending off the field and involving guns (the incident shortly after he was signed, linked below) and obviously when he shot himself and ruined what could have been a Super Bowl season. Let's not forget Steve Smith's quote about Plax barely showing up to practice, dozens of team fines, suspensions, as well as the incident the night before the Super Bowl where Plax supposedly "slipped in the shower" and injured himself.
Shockey and Plax are two of the most talented players to ever play for the Giants. But if you think that that shit I listed above (none of which is made up or my own conjecture) doesn't hurt a team then we have a completely different interpretation of what comprises a team and what it means to be a good teammate.
In the case of Shockey, Kevin Boss may have had a fraction of the talent but he could be trusted to do his job...which made him a better football player for the Giants in 2007. The Giants then traded away Shockey even though Boss was a fraction of the physical player.
Look in any group as large as a football team you're going to get some assholes. But there's a point where the guy goes beyond being an asshole and becomes a problem. Both Shockey and Plax passed that point.
djm...the reason these two guys get brought up (and it wasn't by me) in relation to Beckham is that the feeling is Beckham could also pass that point. I don't think he's past that point now...I just think he's an asshole...but it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to see him cross the line from "asshole" to "problem". And anyone that doesn't see that potential is being obtuse, because as I have said about BBI before: if Beckham were on the Philadelphia Eagles EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POSTER would call him a gaping asshole. Every single one. Link - ( New Window )
This has holes all over it too. Jerry Rice was a pain in the ass in the huddle. Numerous players have corroborated this.
Do we really know for certain whether Shockey was a poor route runner? Nope. We have only heard or seen that once in a while he'd run the wrong route. Wow. That never happens.
Shockey and Plax "hurt" the team yet the team did nothing but win when both players were in NY. Maybe they could have gotten more out of their respective careers, I can't dispute that, but they were good players here who helped the team win. They did more good than bad. They were worth any trouble they may have caused and once their talents dropped below the water mark they were jettisoned.
This is fucking stupid.
You're not proving anything.
Does every fan outside of NY think OBJ is a gaping ahole? Doesn't seem that way to me. Seems like he's a pretty well liked guy outside of NY. So why if he was in philly would we all of a sudden hate him? Because he's on a rival maybe?
It's a ridiculous stance to say we need to get rid of a generational talent because of the outside chance that he can get hurt or become a problem child. This guy is looking for reasons to climb out of this hole he's in and he's coming across like a moron. It's really not even worth discussing further at this point. OBJ isn't going anywhere. OBJ is, one of the best, if not the best WR in football. He is one of the only guys who has the ability to take any 5 yard curl to the house. He's electric. He's well liked(are all 9B followers Giants fans??). He's a quality human being off the field that connects with people.
Is he perfect? No. He's definitely immature and needs to learn how to channel is passion. He will. He will also sign a massive contract and hopefully we can all rub it in this guys face every time he dominates, which will probably be 3 out of every 4 games. I look forward to that.
I def don't think Terps is a dumb guy. He and I have disagreed and argued endlessly in recent years. Especially about Beckham. But I kinda respect his stubbornness. We've gone back and forth on this stuff like 10000 times but it's never personal and always stays within the realm of football. I rarely agree with his takes, but they do interest me.
Much rather this than deal with a fucking putz like radar.
I still love him, though.
I still love him, though.
Yeah I saw that. He's always been cordial with me so....sucks for you?
I most definitely labeled Owens an asshole. And I couldn't wait for the Eagles to get rid of him. Couldn't wait for Dallas to get rid of him.
How many times did the Giants beat those Eagle and Cowboy teams when Owens was playing for them? Wanna take a stab at the won loss record? It aint pretty. Want to speculate on how different life would be for us if Owens isn't playing on a broken leg in super bowl 39 or on a high ankle sprain in the 2007 divisional playoff game?
Would anyone care if Owens was a total fucking asshole if the Giants lose to Dallas in the 07 playoffs?
No one cares. No one. All that matters is how the guy plays on Sunday. Of course there's a fine line between asshole who is worth the trouble and asshole who isn't, I have news for you all, if the guy isn't any good, he's not worth anything, asshole or not.
Hey I think another soccer player just scored a goal. And now he's literally taking off his clothes and taking selfie pics. What a team orientated player.
Terps doesn't want to pay OBJ, therefore he'll use any excuse to avoid having to.
He may say it's not about the money, but as they say...
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The whole "losing player" thing is largely a myth and BS fan narrative that gets made up when people don't like player personalities.
...explain Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Both of those guys were all-time talented (and productive) wide receivers. Then why did each guy play for five different teams? Why is it that when NFL Films shot "A Football Life" for Terrell Owens they could not get any of Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, or Donovan McNabb to participate?
Why did Randy Moss get traded at the age of 27 after a season where he caught 13 TDs? Why was he traded by Bill Belichick a year after putting up 83/1264/13?
Better players than Odell Beckham have screwed up teams and worn out welcomes by being lousy teammates. It's not a made up fan narrative.
Again, more horse shit. Everyone wore out their welcome in Oakland when Moss was there. When he went to NE he was perfect on and off the field. Belichick also ran guys like Welker and Seymore out of town. Were they "problems" too?
Owens is also one of the more unique examples one can bring up here. You're grasping and reaching.
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Joey, on the other hand, will tell me I'm a fucking loser and that I sicken him for taking Beckham's side. He also told me I'll never win a damn thing. :(
I still love him, though.
Yeah I saw that. He's always been cordial with me so....sucks for you?
Obviously. He didn't even invite me to his birthday party. I thought that was pretty rude.
Again, you're coloring many NYG fans as stupid or ignorant or blinded when in reality we just don't give a fuck about hyper analyzed horse shit. We all want Beckham to be flawless and get every ounce out of his career. But at the end of the day most of this shit we hear is noise. Most of the shit we read is is gossip crap. Missing OTAs? Ok fine, not the ideal situation but this shit happens ALL THE TIME. All over the NFL this very minute star players are missing OTAs. AAron Donald. Numerous Pats. Numerous KC defensive stars. Go look.
If OBJ was on the Skins i'd fucking hate him. I'd say he's a diva. A pain in the ass. A baby. And i'd call him the most explosive WR i've seen since Randy Moss. And i'd probably be pissed off that the Giants have gone 2-6 against the Skins in that time frame.