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Deej : 6/14/2017 1:11 pm
Per official team tweet.
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so?  
feelflows : 6/14/2017 1:11 pm : link
why was the last thread deleted.. I GOTSTA know!!!
RE: so?  
JayBinQueens : 6/14/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13499805 feelflows said:
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why was the last thread deleted.. I GOTSTA know!!!

+1
thanks Warrior  
YAJ2112 : 6/14/2017 1:12 pm : link
best of luck
I think I pressed delete by accident  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
Stupid phone

But as I was saying:

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Girardi. That dude was one of the toughest guys to ever put on a Rangers uniform. He was an iron man for a very long time and a few years back, the Staal-Girardi pairing was arguably the best pairing in the Eastern Conference.


Not bad for an undrafted free agent. He's a true warrior and was a great Ranger.


Thank you, Dan!
Wow I really thought he had some trade value  
jv : 6/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
even if the Rangers had to eat a little of that cap hit.

Oh well... Stand up guy and an absolute warrior out there... It's a shame that contract and a coach that misused him caused so much hate to fly at him these past few years.

Sidenote... What does it say about AV that the Rangers are buying out a guy that was part of a top pairing through this season and playoffs? Guy is clueless...
I appreciate DG's contribution  
Deej : 6/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
It's a little sad that his contract and usage issues will end up coloring our view of him.

My condolences to Seth.
Had to happen.  
yatqb : 6/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
Thanks for all those years of top effort, Dan!
RE: I appreciate DG's contribution  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13499815 Deej said:
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It's a little sad that his contract and usage issues will end up coloring our view of him.

My condolences to Seth.


Haha. I'm gonna miss those posts.


It's cool, Seth. For now, we can whip on Staal...for now.
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
Like I said in the other thread...

Staal might have been even worse last year so I'm still hoping we can unload him somehow.

G was a great Ranger. Sucks he broke down like he did, but when you play the game that way, it's going to be inevitable.

Wish him nothing but the best. Had to do this though. It's time to cut the anchors out of the blue line.
Two down  
JoeMoney19 : 6/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
Staal to go.
Always a fan  
mfsd : 6/14/2017 1:15 pm : link
never seemed a fit for Vignaults style. Yeah we overpaid him, but he always gave as much effort as we could ask
Girardi's statement:  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:15 pm : link
‪"I poured my heart and soul into this team for the past 11 seasons and I enjoyed every minute of it." ‬
Thank you Dan Girardi!  
Keith : 6/14/2017 1:16 pm : link
Mind, body and soul. He gave it all to this team, hopefully they take care of him for the rest of his life.
The residual cap hits are going to be annoying  
JonC : 6/14/2017 1:17 pm : link
anyone got the actual savings per year?
so..  
feelflows : 6/14/2017 1:17 pm : link
I don't know any of these answers so:

did he have a No Movement Clause?

does this now open up another player the Rangers can protect?
Interesting that the GM agrees with us  
Deej : 6/14/2017 1:17 pm : link
while AV rode DG so hard. Minutes were down this year but I think that was health related. (also, you plausibly had to do this now so that you have the option to cut Staal next summer).

Gorts also took the Glass toy away from AV, and only gave it back when rosters expanded, at which point AV sat in the corner and played with it again.

Im not a fire AV guy, but there are usage issues that are hard to understand, and it appears that the GM agrees.
If Klein also retires,  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:18 pm : link
We'll have around 15 million or so in cap space. More than enough for Smith, signing Zibanejad to a longterm deal and...yes, your wet dream, Kevin Shattenkirk.
RE: The residual cap hits are going to be annoying  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13499832 JonC said:
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anyone got the actual savings per year?


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arcarsenal : 6/14/2017 1:21 pm : link
I'm torn on Shatty.. it feels very Sather-esque. I feel like it's going to be an investment that we don't get a great return on... but maybe I'm wrong.

Seems inevitable that he'll wind up here.
Proxy is blocking the image  
JonC : 6/14/2017 1:21 pm : link
but thanks.
OK, it was cut off  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:21 pm : link
The buyout cap hit:


2017-2018- 2.7
2018-2019 - 3.7
2019-2020 - 3.7

And then three years of 1.2
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13499843 arcarsenal said:
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I'm torn on Shatty.. it feels very Sather-esque. I feel like it's going to be an investment that we don't get a great return on... but maybe I'm wrong.

Seems inevitable that he'll wind up here.


FullTilt Rangers Guy‏ @NYR_FullTilt
Buyout of Girardi solidifies Shattenkirk will be signed this summer.
I go back to the Brad Park era of the late '60s  
Frank in Silver Spring : 6/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
And very few left it on the ice like Girardi. He aged about as well as he could for his physical style of play. Can't retire #5, of course, but he'd be in my Ring of Honor somewhere in the hallowed halls of MSG.
RE: The residual cap hits are going to be annoying  
Deej : 6/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13499832 JonC said:
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anyone got the actual savings per year?


Was going to be 5.5 * 3 years. Now it is:

2.6, 3.6, 3.6, then 1.1 * 3. So only a 20% savings -- which after paying someone minimum wage for 3 years largely evaporates. But a 40% savings in years 1-3; this is a win-now move.


RE: .  
JayBinQueens : 6/14/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13499843 arcarsenal said:
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I'm torn on Shatty.. it feels very Sather-esque. I feel like it's going to be an investment that we don't get a great return on... but maybe I'm wrong.

Seems inevitable that he'll wind up here.


Let the Devils overpay for him
I hope this means Staal is next  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2017 1:26 pm : link
Because if one of them was going to be back, I would have rather it have been Girardi.
one of those contracts  
Enzo : 6/14/2017 1:27 pm : link
that was bad the day it was signed.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/14/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13499843 arcarsenal said:
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I'm torn on Shatty.. it feels very Sather-esque. I feel like it's going to be an investment that we don't get a great return on... but maybe I'm wrong.

Seems inevitable that he'll wind up here.


Is AV going to play him as a #2 guy or will he get the Yandle treatment? That's a big concern for me.

I don't care about years 4-7 or whatever of his deal if they sign him.

I'm also upset they're letting Clendening go. I don't like the way this franchises analyzes/uses dmen.
Rangers now have an open D spot to protect someone  
Deej : 6/14/2017 1:29 pm : link
Spitballing... Miller/Hayes + Raanta for Trouba, protect Lindberg. Trade Grabner for someone's ELC player, and tell LV that you'll give them a #3 to avoid Fast and if they refuse that you'll trade him to a team that can protect him.
RE: Rangers now have an open D spot to protect someone  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13499876 Deej said:
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Spitballing... Miller/Hayes + Raanta for Trouba, protect Lindberg. Trade Grabner for someone's ELC player, and tell LV that you'll give them a #3 to avoid Fast and if they refuse that you'll trade him to a team that can protect him.



My best guess is they re-sign Smith and protect him
More Rangers news  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/14/2017 1:31 pm : link
This from McKenzie.

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Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
NYR centre Derek Stepan's name is fairly prominent in trade chatter. Stepan's contract has four more years with AAV of $6M.
He modifies and adds to it  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/14/2017 1:32 pm : link
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Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
Make that $6.5M AAV, not $6M. Haste makes waste, as my mother used to tell me.


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Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
Worth noting, Stepan has full NTC (for next two seasons) that kicks in on July 1. No NTC until then. Final 2 yrs of deal is modified NTC.
RE: More Rangers news  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13499884 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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This from McKenzie.



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Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
NYR centre Derek Stepan's name is fairly prominent in trade chatter. Stepan's contract has four more years with AAV of $6M.




As I expected. I mean they must have real faith that Hayes can be a second-pair guy. They'd be banking on Zibanejad taking over 1C duties. Lindberg, if he returns, can definitely be a 3C.


Despite the stupid talk that Stepan would be exposed, he still has a lot of value. Problem is that he has a NTC kicking in soon.
Stepan+Raanta for Trouba, sign Joe Thornton.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/14/2017 1:35 pm : link
Miss the playoffs anyway.
I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2017 1:36 pm : link
Who would be a reasonable return?
Had to be done  
Kyle in NY : 6/14/2017 1:37 pm : link
But it's still unfortunate.

In a lot of ways this is the end of an era. Longest tenured Ranger skater. Gave this franchise a lot. And he had a nice rejuvenation in the playoffs this season, certainly was better than Staal.

Wish nothing but the best for the guy. From an undrafted FA to this, he gave us a lot.
RE: I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Deej : 6/14/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13499892 Greg from LI said:
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Who would be a reasonable return?


Trouba, probably with NYR kicking in something. If it is Raanta, I think something else could come back from WIN.

Anak: Why would they resign Smith before the XD, just to protect him? It's fine to do if they arent trading for a D and dont want to protect Holden. But otherwise, it's a waste.
congratulations to all  
SethFromAstoria : 6/14/2017 1:48 pm : link
exciting. What are you guys doing next?
RE: RE: I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13499897 Deej said:
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In comment 13499892 Greg from LI said:


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Who would be a reasonable return?



Trouba, probably with NYR kicking in something. If it is Raanta, I think something else could come back from WIN.

Anak: Why would they resign Smith before the XD, just to protect him? It's fine to do if they arent trading for a D and dont want to protect Holden. But otherwise, it's a waste.


I think there's a fear that he would get more from another team, even Vegas
RE: I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13499892 Greg from LI said:
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Who would be a reasonable return?



I would want Dumba to be involved, but more would need to be included
RE: congratulations to all  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13499911 SethFromAstoria said:
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exciting. What are you guys doing next?


Marc Staal...
Buying out Girardi and discussing Stepan trades is a nice start  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/14/2017 1:50 pm : link
to the offseason. If they can dump Staal, that will be a trifecta.
RE: I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Davisian : 6/14/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13499892 Greg from LI said:
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Who would be a reasonable return?



Jordan Greenway is my spirit animal this offseason..

RE: I appreciate DG's contribution  
SethFromAstoria : 6/14/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13499815 Deej said:
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It's a little sad that his contract and usage issues will end up coloring our view of him.

My condolences to Seth.

oh come on everyone here should appreciate the guy way more than the piece of garbage hes been treated as by fans and media alike. the New York Rangers have tons of tradition and that includes scapegoating even when its a player like this one. Today is a joyous day. 2.75 mil to go wild with eh?
RE: RE: I imagine they're talking to Minny about Stepan  
Anakim : 6/14/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13499917 Davisian said:
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In comment 13499892 Greg from LI said:


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Who would be a reasonable return?




Jordan Greenway is my spirit animal this offseason..


Jordan or Chad?
Trading Stepan is  
SethFromAstoria : 6/14/2017 1:55 pm : link
remarkably asinine and typical to hear. Ive been away for personal reasons....this will be a glorious offseason. They should buy out everyone and take down Leetch and Graves numbers. Start fresh.
How can it be asinine to trade someone  
bigbluehoya : 6/14/2017 1:58 pm : link
When you have no idea what's coming back?
Seth makes his usual calm and well-reasoned contributions  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2017 2:00 pm : link
Maybe you should talk to Stepan and his wife about how asinine it is, since they reportedly don't want to stay in NY.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 6/14/2017 2:02 pm : link
I'm concerned about dealing Stepan. I think he's sort of underrated. It's a high-risk move. I get the rationale for dealing him, but I think it can blow up in their faces.
RE: How can it be asinine to trade someone  
Deej : 6/14/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13499934 bigbluehoya said:
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When you have no idea what's coming back?


because Stepan is a WARRIOR.
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