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Pep22 : 6/15/2017 9:27 am
I can't take credit for this. Saw this on a NYK fan site and then looked him up. Player's name is Deonte Burton. Very unusual size at 6'5" (in shoes as NBA players are measured), 260 lb and a 7' wingspan.

Pluses:

1 very mentally and physically tough (a trait NYK has desperately lacked)

2 multi-skilled (shooting, handle, passing, defending)

3 uses lefty-ness in Zach Randolph kind of way (you know he's going left, but he gets there any way with varied release points and funky interior moves)

Minus:

1 height/weight

2 not a great athlete by any stretch but not bad either

He will likely be there at 58.
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Kennard is a spot up shooter in the NBA, nothing more  
Greg from LI : 6/16/2017 2:24 pm : link
He's a guy who comes off the bench to shoot 5-8 3s in 10-15 minutes. That's it.
We're gonna hear a lot of bullshit these next few days.  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2017 2:28 pm : link
The Knicks aren't doing all this scouting of Monk, Smith and Frank so they can turn around and reach for Kennard at eight. Either they have a trade down in mind or think they have another first coming their way. Or Kennard is this year's Trey Lyles.
Any confirmed names for our SL team?  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 2:35 pm : link
I assume our three picks will play but who else?
RE: We're gonna hear a lot of bullshit these next few days.  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13502114 bceagle05 said:
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The Knicks aren't doing all this scouting of Monk, Smith and Frank so they can turn around and reach for Kennard at eight. Either they have a trade down in mind or think they have another first coming their way. Or Kennard is this year's Trey Lyles.


In fairness they just had Kennard in for a private workout and it's been noted he outplayed 2 other "first round locks" in other workouts (one apparently was Turd Ferguson).
RE: RE: We're gonna hear a lot of bullshit these next few days.  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13502123 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13502114 bceagle05 said:

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The Knicks aren't doing all this scouting of Monk, Smith and Frank so they can turn around and reach for Kennard at eight. Either they have a trade down in mind or think they have another first coming their way. Or Kennard is this year's Trey Lyles.


In fairness they just had Kennard in for a private workout and it's been noted he outplayed 2 other "first round locks" in other workouts (one apparently was Turd Ferguson).


Oh shit....haha
are we seriously believing chad ford?  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 2:42 pm : link
jackson and kennard sounds like lyles and kaminsky all over again...

2 years night before draft chad ford said knicks do not like anyone and are looking to trade back to take lyles or kaminsky...

chad ford is a hack
DSJ  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 3:14 pm : link
to meet with the Celtics wow.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 3:15 pm : link
guessing the Celtics are meeting with DSJ in case they pull the trigger on the 5 and 10 rumor.
RE: I'm  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13502182 DanMetroMan said:
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guessing the Celtics are meeting with DSJ in case they pull the trigger on the 5 and 10 rumor.


i have a feeling there is a lot of movement thursday...

supposedly portland has not worked anyonr out since monday
Off  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 3:19 pm : link
topic but funny that everyone insists nobody wants to go to Utah and Lillard (oddly) noted if he left Portland he'd go to LAL or Utah.
Bogdanovic  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 3:37 pm : link
just won finals MVP of whatever league he's in. Kings baby!
SI  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 3:48 pm : link
8. New York Knicks: Dennis Smith, PG, NC State | Freshman

The Knicks should use this summer to hit the reset button, forgoing win-now trades and signings in favor of forward-thinking moves to surround center Kristaps Porzingis with young talent. That means moving on from Derrick Rose and refraining from acquiring another veteran point guard, like Jrue Holiday or Ricky Rubio. Instead, they can nab their PG of the future in Smith, whose ability to manufacture offense off the dribble and top-tier athleticism have gone under-appreciated amid the tidal wave of hype generated by other prospects at his position, like Fultz, Fox and Ball.


Knicks pass on Tatum, Frenchy and Monk... who falls to 14
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if portland offered  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 3:53 pm : link
crabbe harkless 15 20 26 for lee, oquin. amd 8 would you do it?
RE: if portland offered  
Heisenberg : 6/16/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13502230 nygiants16 said:
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crabbe harkless 15 20 26 for lee, oquin. amd 8 would you do it?


Nope, not me. Odds are the player at 8 would be the best one in that deal.
RE: RE: if portland offered  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13502245 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 13502230 nygiants16 said:


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crabbe harkless 15 20 26 for lee, oquin. amd 8 would you do it?



Nope, not me. Odds are the player at 8 would be the best one in that deal.


yeah i am not sure either, i know if smith, tatum or mpnk is sittinf there i am not doing it...

if all 3 were gone i would probably think about it
I'd be fine taking DSJ  
Ash_3 : 6/16/2017 4:08 pm : link
over Tatum. Other than wingspan (which now has become our equivalent of the three-cone drill), he has the sort of physical ability and ball-handling that might well be unplayable with NBA spacing.
Smith, Monk and Tatum on the board when we pick  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2017 4:09 pm : link
would be incredible. I wonder who we'd take? I'd say Tatum.
My concern  
Jon in NYC : 6/16/2017 4:48 pm : link
with DSJ is his attitude. We need two way players who will buy into a team system.

Regardless, it sounds like he'll be gone.
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:04 pm : link
Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress 6m6 minutes ago
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Word out of LA is Markelle Fultz "murdered" his Lakers workout yesterday. May be "the best one" they've seen. Sadly, likely all for naught.
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I'm told Fultz played competitively 2 on 2, even though that wasn't agreed to in advance. Apparently shot ball very well.Tested 40 inch vert
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Multiple sources have told me that Magic "is in love" with Fultz. May try to move up to #1, possibly with a Julius Randle + #2 pick offer.
Fultz  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:08 pm : link
to the 76ers?

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Sources: Philadelphia is waiting on medical information on Markelle Fultz, but deep into talks on acquiring Boston's No. 1 overall pick.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:10 pm : link
It's the Lakers pick next year and the Sixers pick this year as the core of the deal.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:12 pm : link
Celtics are believed to want Tatum at 3.
That's an interesting trade  
Deej : 6/16/2017 5:13 pm : link
makes sense for both teams if BOS isnt sold on Fultz as a cut above. BOS may even need to give back something.

OTOH, Randle had a really good season. The assist #s were eye popping. Also, he's now JACKED. See link. It all depends on what you think of JR and whether you're ready to pay him next summer.
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DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:16 pm : link
deal does NOT include Randle per sources. Expected to be Sixers 1st and a future #1 (likely the LAL unprotected pick)

1. Fultz
2. ??
3. Tatum
4. Suns
5. SacTown... Ball to Sacramento would be too funny for Lavar
Hmm  
Deej : 6/16/2017 5:16 pm : link
#2 and Randle vs. #3 and Lakers #1 next season (call it top 5). I'd probably lean with Philly's package, although Randle would address the PF/reb issue in Boston ASAP.

I think Ainge is punting. Keep this team together, fine, but the window is post GSW for anyone who can wait.
SAC makes sense for Lavar and his child  
Deej : 6/16/2017 5:18 pm : link
There or LA. If Im PHX, I dont subject Booker to constant public callouts from Lavar every time Booker has an off night or misses the tying/winning shot. In LA or SAC, it can be the Lonzo show.
Phoenix  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:19 pm : link
should take Isaac. Isaac+Chriss doing some of the dirty work and Booker the Harden. Deal Bledsoe (who should bring back a decent return), Bender was horrendous but he still has a "shot" to be something.
RE: Phoenix  
Deej : 6/16/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13502319 DanMetroMan said:
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should take Isaac. Isaac+Chriss doing some of the dirty work and Booker the Harden. Deal Bledsoe (who should bring back a decent return), Bender was horrendous but he still has a "shot" to be something.


How about Toby Harris and #12?
RE: RE: Phoenix  
DanMetroMan : 6/16/2017 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13502320 Deej said:
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In comment 13502319 DanMetroMan said:


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should take Isaac. Isaac+Chriss doing some of the dirty work and Booker the Harden. Deal Bledsoe (who should bring back a decent return), Bender was horrendous but he still has a "shot" to be something.



How about Toby Harris and #12?


That's actually a pretty solid deal. That makes sense to me. The Suns are in a pretty prime position with Bledsoe being a good player with a solid contract that likely has value + Booker/Chriss to build on. Bender was REALLY bad but I'm willing to give a guy a second year before 100% calling him a bust. If you added in Harris and whomever you want at 12... that could be something pretty nice.
Ooo  
Deej : 6/16/2017 5:33 pm : link
how about Bledsoe for Thon?
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Anakim : 6/16/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13502313 DanMetroMan said:
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deal does NOT include Randle per sources. Expected to be Sixers 1st and a future #1 (likely the LAL unprotected pick)

1. Fultz
2. ??
3. Tatum
4. Suns
5. SacTown... Ball to Sacramento would be too funny for Lavar



And remember that Jackson supposedly got a top-3 guarantee. So Jackson could go #2 and Ball could drop a bit.


Exciting times
i also think isaac got a promise from phoenix  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 5:43 pm : link
so fulz, jackson tatum isaac, does sac go fox who they supposedly love or take ball?

you would assume ball would not get passed orlando
Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, Saric  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 5:43 pm : link
That's an absolutely sick team
Hmmm.  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 5:47 pm : link
Jonathan Givony ✔@DraftExpress
Also was told that Josh Jackson's workout in LA "did not go well at all." Brought high energy but struggled with his shooting and handle.


So what would the Lakers do then if no Jackson or Ball?
I can see it now  
Anakim : 6/16/2017 5:51 pm : link
Timberwolves screw the Knicks YET AGAIN by taking either Ball, Jackson or Tatum
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Anakim : 6/16/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13502306 DanMetroMan said:
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Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress 6m6 minutes ago
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Word out of LA is Markelle Fultz "murdered" his Lakers workout yesterday. May be "the best one" they've seen. Sadly, likely all for naught.
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Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress 5m5 minutes ago
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I'm told Fultz played competitively 2 on 2, even though that wasn't agreed to in advance. Apparently shot ball very well.Tested 40 inch vert
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Multiple sources have told me that Magic "is in love" with Fultz. May try to move up to #1, possibly with a Julius Randle + #2 pick offer.


So it's basically the Sixers and Lakers in a bidding war to move up to #1 to Fultz. Celtics should get a king's ransom.


So the Sixers improve; the Celtics improve (now and for the future) and the Knicks...well, we've got Ron Baker.
RE: I can see it now  
bceagle05 : 6/16/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13502345 Anakim said:
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Timberwolves screw the Knicks YET AGAIN by taking either Ball, Jackson or Tatum


I share your frustration, as do all of us I'm sure. Sucks to have to sit back and watch Boston and Philly build great young teams while we.....do whatever it is we're doing. And I fucking hate Minnesota - the only solace I take is that Minny's been picking in the top 10 my entire life and they still suck.
anak take a breathe geez  
nygiants16 : 6/16/2017 7:45 pm : link
sixers have been tanking for how long?

the celtics are set for the future? lets see who they draft first, ainge has not been the best drafter...

relax, breathe
RE: if portland offered  
djm : 6/16/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13502230 nygiants16 said:
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crabbe harkless 15 20 26 for lee, oquin. amd 8 would you do it?


No
RE: anak take a breathe geez  
giantsfan44ab : 6/17/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13502403 nygiants16 said:
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sixers have been tanking for how long?

the celtics are set for the future? lets see who they draft first, ainge has not been the best drafter...

relax, breathe


Sixers for one whole entire year before the Knicks.

When has ainge fucked up a top pick? His job is pretty clear cut this year.
Dont get these  
XBRONX : 6/17/2017 8:50 am : link
individual workouts. Get the interview part. Why the workout on the court? Isnt there enough game video of the players in actual game action.
RE: Dont get these  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13502625 XBRONX said:
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individual workouts. Get the interview part. Why the workout on the court? Isnt there enough game video of the players in actual game action.


i think especially with top picks os to see how they take to coaching also to see what kind of shape they are in
RE: RE: anak take a breathe geez  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13502604 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13502403 nygiants16 said:


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sixers have been tanking for how long?

the celtics are set for the future? lets see who they draft first, ainge has not been the best drafter...

relax, breathe



Sixers for one whole entire year before the Knicks.

When has ainge fucked up a top pick? His job is pretty clear cut this year.


if its true that the deal may be bigger to involvr butler it would be the dumbest movr aingr can make, they are not beating cleveland or gs...

and what high pick has ainge had that he kept and the celtics developed? brown right now is an unknown, he always goes for the quick fix...

and sixers have been tanking only 1 year more than the knicks? seriously? knicks 1 amd only tank is kp, sixers have how many top picks?

sixers should be a playoff team by now with all the picks they have had
2014 was the first "tank" year for Philly  
giantsfan44ab : 6/17/2017 12:29 pm : link
The year before they slightly missed the playoffs and traded holiday for Noel and drafted MCW with their own pick.

So Embiid (2014) is their first actual top pick they got from tanking. Then okafor then Simmons. So the Knicks actually started their slide the same year philly started tanking, only the Knicks didn't have their pick I believe that year. It just seems like philly has been longer since they didn't trade their firsts.
And my point was ainge hasn't really had a high pick  
giantsfan44ab : 6/17/2017 12:31 pm : link
He hit on Bradley. Smarts not amazing but not horrible given his draft year. Brown is gonna make an all rookie team, probably still goes top 5 in a redraft.

Ainge isn't some stellar drafter but I don't think he's a scrub either. He's probably a B- drafter and an A manager.
RE: Dont get these  
Deej : 6/17/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13502625 XBRONX said:
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individual workouts. Get the interview part. Why the workout on the court? Isnt there enough game video of the players in actual game action.


I think basketball men would say that there is no substitute for seeing players live, with their own eyes. See how a guy moves, how he cuts, little things about mechanics etc. See what he has been doing since March re shooting/body work. See how he take coaching, how competitive he is in practice, and how he takes an elbow in the back.
So tell me when have the  
Carl in CT : 6/17/2017 1:00 pm : link
Knicks tanked intentionally? Not as if yet!
RE: So tell me when have the  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13502780 Carl in CT said:
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Knicks tanked intentionally? Not as if yet!


15 they tanked intentionally after melo goy hurt, they traded away smith and shump for nothing, they tanked
Arguably in 2015  
Deej : 6/17/2017 1:54 pm : link
they didnt tank as much as get out from contracts/players they didnt want. It's a question of intent -- was the Cavs trade about getting worse for a better pick/acquiring a future asset, or was it about getting out from JR's contract and getting two guys who Phil thought were losers off the team.
Philly tried not to win  
Carl in CT : 6/17/2017 3:52 pm : link
When we rested players we still played to win.
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