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johnnyb : 6/15/2017 9:41 am
The "Midnight Massacre", the Mets trading "The Franchise", Tom Seaver, to the Cincinnati Reds, recounted by The Daily News.

Hard to believe it was 40 years ago, and some on this board may remember waking up the next morning to find out the Mets traded their best- ever player. I was 12, and crushed by the news. I remember my father telling me of the trade early the next morning.


Metsí Midnight Massacre trade of Tom Seaver still painfully unforgettable 40 years later Peter Botte - ( New Window )
NY Post version  
Post Time : 6/15/2017 9:45 am : link
Calling out Dick Young of the Daily News for running Seaver out of town. As a Yankee fan, I couldn't believe that it actually happened.
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As a Met fan, neither could I!!  
johnnyb : 6/15/2017 9:48 am : link
Dick Young was instrumental in forcing Seaver to ask to be traded. Once Dick Young brought Seaver's family into the argument, Tom decided it was time to go.
as a Yankee fan  
JonC : 6/15/2017 9:49 am : link
I felt horrible for Mets friends, he was Mr Met.
dear New York Islanders  
feelflows : 6/15/2017 10:01 am : link
please read these articles and pay John Tavares on 7/1.

Thanks!

RE: as a Yankee fan  
PatersonPlank : 6/15/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13500720 JonC said:
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I felt horrible for Mets friends, he was Mr Met.


As a Yankee fan I laughed my ass off.
And Tom finally gets his no hitter...  
Post Time : 6/15/2017 10:17 am : link
with the Reds...
I was too young  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 10:35 am : link
to even know who Tom Seaver was, but June 15th was also a day for good trades in Mets lore.

34 years ago today the Mets sent Neil Allen and Rick Ownby to the Cardinals for Keith Hernandez.

I was a kid and huge Seaver fan  
Dr. D : 6/15/2017 10:40 am : link
I remember being in the car with my Mom when I heard it on the radio. I almost cried.

Sometimes I look back and think I should've left the Mets then. But I was just a kid.

40 years later, the Yankees have won how many f*ing WS? While the Mets sign guys like Bobby Bonilla instead of Bonds, to save a few bucks, etc. etc.

Maybe Sandy will get us over the top, but the ownership/management has sucked for a majority of my life.

RE: I was a kid and huge Seaver fan  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13500821 Dr. D said:
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I remember being in the car with my Mom when I heard it on the radio. I almost cried.

Sometimes I look back and think I should've left the Mets then. But I was just a kid.

40 years later, the Yankees have won how many f*ing WS? While the Mets sign guys like Bobby Bonilla instead of Bonds, to save a few bucks, etc. etc.

Maybe Sandy will get us over the top, but the ownership/management has sucked for a majority of my life.


The Mets made Bonilla the highest paid player in the league when they signed him in 1991 as a FA.

Bonds wasn't a free agent for another year. If you think the Mets signed Bonilla to a massive deal so they could avoid signing Bonds to a bigger one the next year, that's some serious dot connecting.
johnny, same ...  
Beezer : 6/15/2017 10:56 am : link
I was 13 and devastated. It was Seaver, Grote and Kingman for me. But Seaver at the top.

It still makes me irritated. Don't have a chance to read the article right now, but I remember Joel Fucking Youngblood and Doug Fucking Flynn. Maybe Pat Fucking Zachry?

Seaver went 14-3 for the Reds the rest of the way and was 21-6. So pissed!

Then in 83 they bring him back to finish his career, but WAIT! NO! Let's ship him to the south side of Chicago so he can win 33 games in 2-plus years (15 and 16 the first two!).

Bahhhhhh!!!!!
Ehhhh.  
Beezer : 6/15/2017 10:58 am : link
Bonilla was just a huge mistake. Huge.
the Bonilla signing turned into a punchline  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2017 10:58 am : link
But people forget that he was actually a really damned good player for the Pirates - finished second and third in the MVP voting his last two seasons in Pittsburgh. It wasn't a ridiculous signing at the time.
Not shipped to Chicago:  
Post Time : 6/15/2017 11:04 am : link
"The organization left the future Hall of Famer exposed to the free-agent compensation pool, thinking he wouldn't be taken due to his high salary and age. But he was grabbed by the Chicago White Sox, with whom he'd post his 300th career win in 1985 at Yankee Stadium."
and the punchline  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 11:06 am : link
is really misunderstood, the Mets will pay Bonilla for a long time, but financially it wasn't a bad deal at all, in fact it can be argued it was a good deal for the Mets and even for both parties since it also rid the Mets of Bonilla and they used that money (present value) elsewhere and won the NL pennant at least partly because of it.

In terms of bad Mets transactions, and there is no shortage, Bonilla doesn't make my list.
RE: johnny, same ...  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/15/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13500846 Beezer said:
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Then in 83 they bring him back to finish his career, but WAIT! NO! Let's ship him to the south side of Chicago so he can win 33 games in 2-plus years (15 and 16 the first two!).


They didn't ship him. There was a compensation system at the time where you could protect a certain number of players and the rest were exposed to be taken by another team in compensation for losing a player in free agency. The Mets elected not to protect Seaver, figuring no one would select a 39 year old pitcher with a big contract.
40 years ago today  
fireitup77 : 6/15/2017 11:22 am : link
I became an ex-met fan.
Or what Post Time said  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/15/2017 11:23 am : link
:-)
Seaver was far and away my favorite player....ever.  
johnnyb : 6/15/2017 12:26 pm : link
And I think he still is. He was simply the best and those that are old enough are therefore lucky enough to have seen him pitch. I was at opening day at Shea in 1983 when the team brought him back. as he walked from the bullpen to the mound, "Welcome Back" was played for the long walk to the mound. Great moment that was ruined five months later when they left him unprotected.
re. Bonilla vs. Bonds  
Dr. D : 6/15/2017 1:04 pm : link
I admit I might not remember the details. I wasn't living in the NY area at the time and it was before I had satellite TV, internet news, etc. I remember them being available around the same time and there were trade rumors before they hit free agency.

I do remember that I felt much more strongly about Bonds than Bonilla. Felt like Bonilla benefited from having Bonds behind him in the BO most of the time. Bonds didn't need Bonilla to be great. Bonilla OTOH...

Yes, the list of bad decisions is LONG and this isn't the top of the list. Trading Seaver is by far #1.

A dark day for Met franchise  
averagejoe : 6/15/2017 1:19 pm : link
For old timers that can remember it NY really was a Met town from 1969-1973 because Seaver was one of the dominant pitchers in baseball.

Mr. Met given away for 4 nobodies.

Years later Yanks traded Ricky Henderson for nobodies under very different circumstances.
Bonilla vs. Bonds part 2  
Dr. D : 6/15/2017 1:40 pm : link
I guess I was at the time willing to wait a year for Bonds. The Mets weren't going anywhere in '92 with or without Bonilla. Bonds ended up getting quite a lot more the next year.
as a kid I made the decision to be a Met fan in '73  
Dr. D : 6/15/2017 1:43 pm : link
thinking they were the team of the future and Yankees the past. DOH!
RE: as a kid I made the decision to be a Met fan in '73  
averagejoe : 6/15/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13501039 Dr. D said:
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thinking they were the team of the future and Yankees the past. DOH!


LOL...timing is everything. I started following Yanks in 1968 just in time to watch Horace Clarke's entire career.
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