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NFT: Mets-Nats Round 1

spike : 6/15/2017 3:17 pm
Gsellman vs Gio Gonzalez

Lagares
Flores 3B
Cespedes
Bruce
TJ 2B
Duda
Rene R
Reyes
Gsellman

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Huge series.  
allstarjim : 6/15/2017 3:31 pm : link
Would've liked to see TdA in there tonight vs Gonzalez. But otherwise, I like the top of this order, especially Flo in front of Cespedes. This will be a tough one, hope Gsellman is on his A+ game tonight.
as a Nats fan  
ray in arlington : 6/15/2017 3:34 pm : link
I'm pretty nervous about this series. Gio, even if he is effective, is unlikely to make it into the 7th and the Nats pen is dreadful.

Can someone list the pitching matchups for the series?
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26.2 : 6/15/2017 3:43 pm : link
Gio vs. Gslleman tonight
Scherzer vs. ? Tomorrow
Strasburg vs. ? Sat
Ross vs. Degrom Sunday

Nats have the upper hand here until Sunday, but I have to think that the players are frustrated that they can score 10 runs and still lose. Nats Pen is terrible and no lead is safe.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 3:46 pm : link
Big, big series.

The Mets can make their season very interesting again if they can find a way to take 3 of 4 here. Absolutely cannot do any worse than a split - but even that would be disappointing.

Really huge opportunity to get right back into the NLE race with a decisive series here.
RE: ...  
gmen9892 : 6/15/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13501180 26.2 said:
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Gio vs. Gslleman tonight
Scherzer vs. ? Tomorrow
Strasburg vs. ? Sat
Ross vs. Degrom Sunday

Nats have the upper hand here until Sunday, but I have to think that the players are frustrated that they can score 10 runs and still lose. Nats Pen is terrible and no lead is safe.


Why are they question marks and not Matz or Lugo. Both not as good as Scherzer and Stras, but both also have the ability to go pitch for pitch with them when on their A game.
Starting to get to that point again  
gmen9892 : 6/15/2017 3:48 pm : link
Where Mets are appointment TV for me. Hoping they can start it off with a W tonight. Conforto most likely back tomorrow. Dont hate TC giving Lagares another day vs the lefty while also improving the defense.


As was said by arc, nothing less than a split will be satisfactory. Kinda need 3 though.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 3:49 pm : link
He's a Nats fan, IIRC.. probably just didn't know who the Mets had going in those games.
Mets Announce Harvey & Walker missing several weeks  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2017 3:49 pm : link
Walker (hamstring tear) & Harvey (scapula bone stress injury) will miss "several weeks" according to Lennon on twitter.

As far as injuries go, neither of these should have the impact of the earlier injuries. Hopefully Harvey can just get himself pitching better for the stretch run. Flores/TJ/Cecchini should be fine manning 2nd until Cabrera is back (and hopefully Rosario is up).
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26.2 : 6/15/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13501190 arcarsenal said:
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He's a Nats fan, IIRC.. probably just didn't know who the Mets had going in those games.


Thank you. Yes, I just didn't know who the Mets had pitching other than tonight and Sunday.
Thor  
DanMetroMan : 6/15/2017 3:52 pm : link
not expected to begin throwing until mid-late July.
RE: Thor  
Metnut : 6/15/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13501197 DanMetroMan said:
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not expected to begin throwing until mid-late July.


This is what we thought initially. Puts him on track to return mid-late August is no setbacks. With Harvey gone Mets have no room for another rotation injury.

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gmen9892 : 6/15/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13501190 arcarsenal said:
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He's a Nats fan, IIRC.. probably just didn't know who the Mets had going in those games.


Noted. Sorry if that sounded snippy then. Regardless, I like the Mets chances in every game. Huge series indeed.
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26.2 : 6/15/2017 3:56 pm : link
To the Mets credit, the fact that a series sweep (not out of the question after watching the Nats latest home stand) could put them back in the race with all the injuries they've sustained is remarkable.
I really like the  
Metnut : 6/15/2017 4:00 pm : link
pitching matchup tonight from a Mets pov. Gsellmen has looked really good his last few starts and Gio has had some nice babip luck to start the season and still walks a ton of guys. Even if Gio is on, he throws a ton of pitches and Mets will have a shot at the Nats pen. Gsellmen actually has a lower FIP than Gio.

Told my son, AFTER the WS performance,  
Beezer : 6/15/2017 4:06 pm : link
that I thought the Mets should deal Harvey right then and there. He thought I was crazy.

I'm only right about such things very occasionally. Damn, the guy is a fucking train wreck.
Harvey injury might be a blessing in disguise  
spike : 6/15/2017 4:09 pm : link
it allows him to rest and rehab properly without the stress of pitching in Queens. It also gets the Mets a chance to remove one of their worse starters this season out of the rotation without the embarrassment
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spike : 6/15/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13501196 26.2 said:
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In comment 13501190 arcarsenal said:


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He's a Nats fan, IIRC.. probably just didn't know who the Mets had going in those games.



Thank you. Yes, I just didn't know who the Mets had pitching other than tonight and Sunday.


It's up in the air whether Lugo or Matz go on those two dates
TC is still sticking to a 6 man rotation  
spike : 6/15/2017 4:12 pm : link
but who's the sixth man? Montero or Pill?

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spike : 6/15/2017 4:13 pm : link
Ryan Field‏Verified account @RyanFieldABC 25m25 minutes ago
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Harvey received an injection and will begin a throwing program when he is pain free. Gavin Cecchini recalled from AAA. #Mets

Ryan Field‏Verified account @RyanFieldABC 3m3 minutes ago
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Terry Collins says the #Mets will stay with a 6-man rotation, but they haven't decided who will take Harvey's place just yet.
Mets medical day? lol  
spike : 6/15/2017 4:15 pm : link
Anthony DiComo‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo 18m18 minutes ago
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To clarify on Syndergaard, he was reexamined today. The Mets do not feel his strained lat has healed well enough for him to begin throwing.



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Replying to @ByJamesWagner
Josh Smoker's shoulder is fine but he has loose bodies in his elbow, so anti-inflammatories and some rest, per Sandy.

RE: Harvey injury might be a blessing in disguise  
Metnut : 6/15/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13501226 spike said:
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it allows him to rest and rehab properly without the stress of pitching in Queens. It also gets the Mets a chance to remove one of their worse starters this season out of the rotation without the embarrassment


Good post. I don't think Harvey is a lost cause yet by any means, but he wasn't helping the team that way he was pitching. A chance for him to rest, work on his mechanics and maybe come back better could be a good thing for us.

We really need to cross our fingers that the rest of the starters stay healthy. DeGrom/Matz/Gsellmen/Lugo/Wheeler isn't an elite rotation like we were hoping but it still has the potential to be pretty good and get us back into the race.
We absolutely need Degrom  
spike : 6/15/2017 4:28 pm : link
to be vintage Degrom or our season is really toast.
IS TDA injured?  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2017 4:47 pm : link
He is hitting .400 against LHP. Does not seem like a good spot to rest him.
Walker will hurt because he has been playing well  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2017 4:52 pm : link
The blessing might be that the injury will make Sandy think twice about signing him longterm. I think Sandy really wants to sign him as a comp for losing Murphy.

Might also make Walker amenable to a two-year deal. Given that he will be 32 and will have missed significant time each of the last two seasons, teams will be reluctant to give him a long deal.

Walker has been much more clutch in his second season in NY. Definitely would not mind him on a two-year deal, especially since Cecchini is looking more and more like a bust
RE: IS TDA injured?  
spike : 6/15/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13501270 Vanzetti said:
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He is hitting .400 against LHP. Does not seem like a good spot to rest him.


it seems like Rivera and TDa are alternating games.

Evan Engrom is pitching the first pitch at Citifield tonight.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 6:00 pm : link
This series definitely has a little juice... didn't think there was any chance it would as recently as a few weeks ago.

Actually a little pumped for this. Hopefully the Mets don't kill my buzz.
RE: Told my son, AFTER the WS performance,  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13501222 Beezer said:
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that I thought the Mets should deal Harvey right then and there. He thought I was crazy.

I'm only right about such things very occasionally. Damn, the guy is a fucking train wreck.


At this point he might be a guy they consider non tender this offseason
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 7:15 pm : link
Can we NOT give up a HR in the first inning at some point?
Cespedes and Bruce w back to back  
JayBinQueens : 6/15/2017 8:25 pm : link
Doubles.
2-1 nats

Just keep it close and work gios pitch count now
Thats some bullshit by Duda  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 8:35 pm : link
How the hell can you not make that play. Embarrassing defense.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 8:35 pm : link
Shoulda known this team wouldn't show up tonight.

I don't know why I get my hopes up.
This team completely screwed  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 8:38 pm : link
Gsellman with their defense today
another day another injury  
spike : 6/15/2017 8:52 pm : link
F Ramirez. What a joke
TJ is a better 3rd baseman  
spike : 6/15/2017 8:54 pm : link
than Wilmer, who should be playing 2nd.
8-2 Nats  
spike : 6/15/2017 8:56 pm : link
Looks like a Montero and Neil Ramirez night
wow  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 8:58 pm : link
cough another one up to the defense
With Harvey out  
spike : 6/15/2017 8:58 pm : link
shouldn't they recall Pill or Robles?

The Mets with a short bench again.
RE: With Harvey out  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13501399 spike said:
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shouldn't they recall Pill or Robles?

The Mets with a short bench again.


Reynolds pulled from Vegas game
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 9:14 pm : link
Welp, that's the end of Lagares for a long time.

So much for getting healthy. Never happens with this team.
Wow unreal  
Rflairr : 6/15/2017 9:18 pm : link
Lagares finally getting his chance. And playing well. And now he breaks his thumb. Everyone injured
We were so close to having a full lineup  
ZGiants98 : 6/15/2017 9:19 pm : link
For one day. Lol
counting th e days  
spike : 6/15/2017 9:28 pm : link
until Amed arrives
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 9:29 pm : link
I get that the Lagares injury probably happens no matter what but how can this org not take a serious look at the trainers and methodology being used on these players?

The fact that this entire fucking team is getting hurt year in and year out cannot possibly be a coincidence at this point. I honestly think there's a problem with this training staff and have said it many times. I wish they'd take a more serious look at this and overhaul the entire thing. It sure as hell can't get any fucking worse.
Kudos to Montero  
spike : 6/15/2017 10:03 pm : link
For three clean mop up innings
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Jay on the Island : 6/15/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13501415 arcarsenal said:
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I get that the Lagares injury probably happens no matter what but how can this org not take a serious look at the trainers and methodology being used on these players?

The fact that this entire fucking team is getting hurt year in and year out cannot possibly be a coincidence at this point. I honestly think there's a problem with this training staff and have said it many times. I wish they'd take a more serious look at this and overhaul the entire thing. It sure as hell can't get any fucking worse.

The Giants proved that a training staff can have a profound impact on injuries. It is no coincidence that the Giants led the league two years in a row, even setting a new NFL record for starters games lost to injury, with Coughlin's staff and then they are among the healthiest in football with McAdoo's new staff.
Was at the game tonight  
Metnut : 6/15/2017 10:51 pm : link
rough. Completely misjudged the pitching matchup. Gio was really good and Gsellmen wasn't good. Lagares injury sucks.

Oh well. Let's steal it tomorrow vs Scherzer and have some fun this weekend. Can we please bring Rosario up? Reyes is sooooooo bad and Reynolds is worse.
When is Nimmo coming up?  
spike : 6/15/2017 10:52 pm : link
Or will it be Pill to replace Harvey?

Or will it be both since all these guys are going on the DL simultaneously?
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13501484 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13501415 arcarsenal said:


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I get that the Lagares injury probably happens no matter what but how can this org not take a serious look at the trainers and methodology being used on these players?

The fact that this entire fucking team is getting hurt year in and year out cannot possibly be a coincidence at this point. I honestly think there's a problem with this training staff and have said it many times. I wish they'd take a more serious look at this and overhaul the entire thing. It sure as hell can't get any fucking worse.


The Giants proved that a training staff can have a profound impact on injuries. It is no coincidence that the Giants led the league two years in a row, even setting a new NFL record for starters games lost to injury, with Coughlin's staff and then they are among the healthiest in football with McAdoo's new staff.


Yup, the Giants are exactly why I am feeling very strongly that this is a training staff issue. The Mets are ravaged by injuries every fucking year. I can't even remember the last season that it felt like barely anyone got hurt. It's ridiculous.
RE: When is Nimmo coming up?  
Jay on the Island : 6/15/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13501493 spike said:
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Or will it be Pill to replace Harvey?

Or will it be both since all these guys are going on the DL simultaneously?

Nimmo has been struggling in Vegas.
RE: RE: When is Nimmo coming up?  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2017 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13501501 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13501493 spike said:


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Or will it be Pill to replace Harvey?

Or will it be both since all these guys are going on the DL simultaneously?


Nimmo has been struggling in Vegas.


He's the only AAA OFer on the 40-man.
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