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| (CNN) In a case that hinged largely on a teenage couple's intimate text messages, Michelle Carter was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter Friday in the 2014 death of her boyfriend, who poisoned himself by inhaling carbon monoxide in his pickup truck, a Massachusetts judge ruled. |
What she did was disgusting
She wanted the attention of being the grieving GF
Seriously.
I think she was suffering from depression or mental illness as well. Not trying to justify anything she did but that's where she was coming from.
Unless he had some disability etc., I agree.
I'm kind of leaning towards this myself. Why couldn't he hang up on her? Why couldn't he just not kill himself? I think in a civil case she should get crushed. Criminal, not so sure. But heck, im happy she did get locked up. Screw that vile human piece of filth.
Yup. Whole lot of cans of worms being opened here.
She might be the person most responsible for his suicide, but ultimately one person rigged his truck to fill up with carbon monoxide, and that was Conrad Roy.
There's a kid who graduated from my HS a year above me who filmed his roommate having sex with another guy and posted it. Was at Rutgers like 5-6 years ago. Was at risk of getting deported but IIRC he had light sentence or no sentence at all. Dharun Ravi was his name.
That's obviously a light-hearted simplification of the matter, but my point is that as long as he was capable of thinking for himself, she is not responsible for his actions. This is ridiculous.
Having said all of that, at the end of the day, if she does a few months in Juvi it might actually be good for her. Because whether legally responsible or not, no one would dispute her behavior was despicable.
That's obviously a light-hearted simplification of the matter, but my point is that as long as he was capable of thinking for himself, she is not responsible for his actions. This is ridiculous.
Having said all of that, at the end of the day, if she does a few months in Juvi it might actually be good for her. Because whether legally responsible or not, no one would dispute her behavior was despicable.
She's going to prison. Not Juvi
This is a ludicrous thing to say. She didn't text him and say "go kill yourself" and he did. She spent weeks telling him he should do it, chastising him for not going through with it, telling him his family would not get over it quickly, and then ultimately saying nothing to anyone while he was actually doing it.
Say what you want about her level of guilt, but this not some sort of "slippery slope" case because she sent a careless text.
He was also clinically depressed.
So you have to make a determination whether or not there is a criminal liability in the act of encouragement. My thought is no.
That's quite different than "get back in".
Force is not required under the Mass. statute.
This is an awful story--and a really tough one to deliberate. Part of me agrees with Greg and part agrees with frying her.
I think one way of settling this debate is to factor in how much of a threat to society this girl might be. It takes a pretty sick and twisted mind to encourage someone to kill themselves like she did. She had many chances to back up and reverse her delivery--everyone says shit they don't mean, but she kept at it. Sounds like a sociopath to me.
So? Is he not a sentient adult who is responsible for his own actions?
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and didn't contact the authorities. Not only did she talk him into it, but she had the chance to stop it and did nothing.
So? Is he not a sentient adult who is responsible for his own actions?
I think the argument can be made, and was, that he was in a mentally fragile state at the time.
This is the part I think many are missing. If it were just texts, then yes, the verdict would be a joke. Knowing he was taking his last breaths, and not notifying the authorities or family wasn't just despicable it was illegal. Shame on her.
Again, she's a wretched person. Should a relative of the dead guy be tried for beating the living shit out of her, and I were on the jury, I'd vote to acquit in a heartbeat. But, as a matter of law, I think this verdict is a mistake borne of a desire to see someone punished for abominable, yet not criminal, behavior.
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His life was in his own hands, not hers.
His life was in his own hands, not hers.
I agree with the point above like posts 5 and 6 I think that it shouldn't be manslaughter and I retract my statement she should get the chair..
However I don't feel bad at all that she caught this charge..
AP quoted the judge: "The court finds that the instruction to Mr. Roy to 'get back in' constitutes 'wanton and reckless conduct' under the law" It was not a jury trial and that seems to be the Mass. standard.
A judge's statement is not informed legal analysis?
That is where this is different than the "go throw yourself off a bridge" scenario. Technically, you can say that to someone and they can take you up on it, but if you don't know, there's no obligation.
This seems like a crime of omission to me.
Not necessarily. Judges make mistakes.
LOL. But unfortunately, even though you are making a joke, there is some truth in what you say
I think legal realism goes back to the 1920s, but I could be wrong about that.
But in any event, this is obviously a judgment that reflects PC culture. Not surprising it's Massachusetts. Doubt you would get that verdict in Alabama.
It's insane
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this is obviously a judgment that reflects PC culture.
How does PC figure in?
Gay marriage made her do it in a trans bathroom.