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LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/17/2017 10:24 pm
Breaking news now.

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Sixers needed Fultz workout/meeting to complete deal w/ Celtics and, as expected, sides have deal for No. 1 pick. Trade call planned Monday.


Lakers are on the clock.
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Sobering outlook, no doubt.  
bceagle05 : 6/17/2017 11:26 pm : link
The Nets handed the Celtics this golden opportunity. Nothing the Knicks could have done to keep up. Sixers have a great young core, but Embiid's health is a dark, dark cloud. We just have to commit to rebuilding and see where we are after next year's draft.
Just glanced at the Celtics board on RealGM.  
bceagle05 : 6/17/2017 11:31 pm : link
They're furious about this move.
Celtics don't like Fultz  
dpinzow : 6/17/2017 11:32 pm : link
or think that Isaiah Thomas > Fultz over the long run
RE: Just glanced at the Celtics board on RealGM.  
Anakim : 6/17/2017 11:32 pm : link
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They're furious about this move.


Well they have generally drafted terribly, but 3 first-round picks in 2018 (own, Nets, Lakers) and 4 first-round picks in 2019 (own, Kings, Grizzlies, Clippers).


Plus, they're probably going to go after Butler or maybe they try a sign and trade for Hayward.
Article about Zizic  
Koldegaard : 6/17/2017 11:36 pm : link
one day old. Small video clip. He can move for a big man.


Zizic - ( New Window )
RE: Celtics don't like Fultz  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2017 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13503045 dpinzow said:
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or think that Isaiah Thomas > Fultz over the long run


which is stupid because isiah is going to be 30 and about to get a max contract..
I hope the Celtics blow their load now on a vet like Butler.  
bceagle05 : 6/17/2017 11:37 pm : link
They still have to deal with Lebron and Golden State, and it shortens their window a bit.

Now a guy like Anthony Davis is another story...
RE: RE: Just glanced at the Celtics board on RealGM.  
Koldegaard : 6/17/2017 11:41 pm : link
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They're furious about this move.



Well they have generally drafted terribly, but 3 first-round picks in 2018 (own, Nets, Lakers) and 4 first-round picks in 2019 (own, Kings, Grizzlies, Clippers).


Plus, they're probably going to go after Butler or maybe they try a sign and trade for Hayward.


Won't thy also have whatever picks the 76ers throw in?
if ainge was smart  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2017 11:49 pm : link
he would sell off isiah and horford and completely embrace a young core...
RE: RE: RE: Just glanced at the Celtics board on RealGM.  
Koldegaard : 6/17/2017 11:57 pm : link
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They're furious about this move.



Well they have generally drafted terribly, but 3 first-round picks in 2018 (own, Nets, Lakers) and 4 first-round picks in 2019 (own, Kings, Grizzlies, Clippers).


Plus, they're probably going to go after Butler or maybe they try a sign and trade for Hayward.



Won't thy also have whatever picks the 76ers throw in?


Aaahhhh nevermind. Just saw which picks were involved.
I don't know how anyone can suggest trading KP  
Keith : 6/18/2017 7:52 am : link
for draft picks. You draft guys hoping they will be KP. The dude is a blue chip prospect still. 7'6" with unlimited range and a desire to be great. It's crazy to even suggest. It's also typical of NY fans. The suggestion that we should trade him because the Knicks are so far away from a championship caliber team makes no sense at all. This is the NBA, not MLB. One guy makes a massive difference for a team. KP is the guy you can build around long term and he's cost controlled. Makes no sense.
RE: I don't know how anyone can suggest trading KP  
Earl the goat : 6/18/2017 7:58 am : link
In comment 13503090 Keith said:
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for draft picks. You draft guys hoping they will be KP. The dude is a blue chip prospect still. 7'6" with unlimited range and a desire to be great. It's crazy to even suggest. It's also typical of NY fans. The suggestion that we should trade him because the Knicks are so far away from a championship caliber team makes no sense at all. This is the NBA, not MLB. One guy makes a massive difference for a team. KP is the guy you can build around long term and he's cost controlled. Makes no sense.


Are you at least concerned he may not sign with the Knicks in two years when he's up for FA
It seems to me he doesn't like Phil and the direction the franchise has been going
RE: if ainge was smart  
christian : 6/18/2017 8:51 am : link
In comment 13503057 nygiants16 said:
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he would sell off isiah and horford and completely embrace a young core...


Thing is Ainge doesn't have to - they are 50 win team and have limited obligations after this year. Bradley and Thomas are free agents. If he can get a big bite in FA or trade, he can shoot for a title in the next 3 years. If he can't he can ban flush with cap space and have several young pieces and picks.
I just hope this means Ainge  
UConn4523 : 6/18/2017 8:58 am : link
puts out a product that can potentially challenge Cleveland.
I assume the Celts just dont love Fultz  
Deej : 6/18/2017 9:18 am : link
and really like someone they think will make it to 3, eg Tatum. You still need a top 5 player to win a title. Celts still dont have that.

Yeah, it sucks that 2 Atlantic division teams are fucking stacked for the future. Gotta hope for the best.
RE: RE: Just glanced at the Celtics board on RealGM.  
Gmaniac1 : 6/18/2017 9:34 am : link
In comment 13503046 Anakim said:
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Well they (Boston) have generally drafted terribly...

No, they haven't.... they (Boston) have drafted much better than average.
It is great to have draft picks  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2017 9:39 am : link
but you have to hit on those draft picks, yeah we can say hey celtics have so many picks but they have no future building block yet...

i hope ainge trades for george or butler
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nygiants16 : 6/18/2017 9:40 am : link
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Well they (Boston) have generally drafted terribly...


No, they haven't.... they (Boston) have drafted much better than average.


nothing but role players
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Gmaniac1 : 6/18/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13503127 nygiants16 said:
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nothing but role players

As opposed to the rest of the league who are drafting stars?

Go back and reread what I wrote. The Celt's have drafted better than average... Bradley, Smart, Brown, Rozier, Olynyk have all proven to be "good" picks for where they were selected.

An overseas guys like Zizic may also join that list... buzz on him has been good.
RE: I assume the Celts just dont love Fultz  
Chris in Philly : 6/18/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13503113 Deej said:
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and really like someone they think will make it to 3, eg Tatum. You still need a top 5 player to win a title. Celts still dont have that.

Yeah, it sucks that 2 Atlantic division teams are fucking stacked for the future. Gotta hope for the best.


It's been reported that Ainge wants Josh Jackson.
NYK/PHI/BOS  
Sean : 6/18/2017 11:02 am : link
rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.
RE: NYK/PHI/BOS  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2017 11:29 am : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.


you hav3 to hope willy takes another step, kp takes another step they hit on this draft pick and next year, hopefully they had some future picks this offseason with melo deal...

knicks have a lot of work to do but at least now they have a path
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Mike in NJ : 6/18/2017 12:42 pm : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.



you hav3 to hope willy takes another step, kp takes another step they hit on this draft pick and next year, hopefully they had some future picks this offseason with melo deal...

knicks have a lot of work to do but at least now they have a path


I am really hoping that they are able to land Monk on Thursday night. I think he fits the mold of the "modern PG" and gives us a dangerous group of shooters when you run Monk, Lee, and Porzingis (and Melo if he is still here) out on the floor.
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nygiants16 : 6/18/2017 1:00 pm : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.



you hav3 to hope willy takes another step, kp takes another step they hit on this draft pick and next year, hopefully they had some future picks this offseason with melo deal...

knicks have a lot of work to do but at least now they have a path



I am really hoping that they are able to land Monk on Thursday night. I think he fits the mold of the "modern PG" and gives us a dangerous group of shooters when you run Monk, Lee, and Porzingis (and Melo if he is still here) out on the floor.


my hope is they can get another pick and add another guard

i think monk is the perfect triangle point...

the floor spacing would be awesome with him and kp...
Sixers should sign Ian Clark  
giantsfan44ab : 6/18/2017 2:42 pm : link
Much cheaper than reddick or holiday. Can have fultz guard 2s
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Strahan91 : 6/18/2017 2:52 pm : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.



you hav3 to hope willy takes another step, kp takes another step they hit on this draft pick and next year, hopefully they had some future picks this offseason with melo deal...

knicks have a lot of work to do but at least now they have a path



I am really hoping that they are able to land Monk on Thursday night. I think he fits the mold of the "modern PG" and gives us a dangerous group of shooters when you run Monk, Lee, and Porzingis (and Melo if he is still here) out on the floor.



my hope is they can get another pick and add another guard

i think monk is the perfect triangle point...

the floor spacing would be awesome with him and kp...


I hope you're right. Monk would be the perfect triangle point guard if he was a few inches taller but the way he excels in moving without the ball, the threat to shoot from anywhere on the floor, and his passing would be really great to have on the Knicks for the next decade. He works hard on defense but that limits his upside on that side of the ball and since Phil talked about possibly playing a full court press this year, I think Ntilikina is the inevitable pick. With that being said, it would be very anti-Phil's Knicks for them to telegraph their pick to the world months before the draft. It may be wishful thinking but it reminds me of the Winslow noise two years ago.
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Mike in NJ : 6/18/2017 4:11 pm : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.





I hope you're right. Monk would be the perfect triangle point guard if he was a few inches taller but the way he excels in moving without the ball, the threat to shoot from anywhere on the floor, and his passing would be really great to have on the Knicks for the next decade. He works hard on defense but that limits his upside on that side of the ball and since Phil talked about possibly playing a full court press this year, I think Ntilikina is the inevitable pick. With that being said, it would be very anti-Phil's Knicks for them to telegraph their pick to the world months before the draft. It may be wishful thinking but it reminds me of the Winslow noise two years ago.


Why does Monk need to be a few inches taller? As a 2, yeah he is undersized, but not as a Pg. He has plenty of height to defend the 1. The only one of the top PGs that is over 6'3'' is John Wall, and even he is only 6'4''.
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Strahan91 : 6/18/2017 4:37 pm : link
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rivalry will be great for the league. Hopefully the Knicks can have a strong draft and work towards competing in a few years (really competing), because the Sixers & Celtics will be.





I hope you're right. Monk would be the perfect triangle point guard if he was a few inches taller but the way he excels in moving without the ball, the threat to shoot from anywhere on the floor, and his passing would be really great to have on the Knicks for the next decade. He works hard on defense but that limits his upside on that side of the ball and since Phil talked about possibly playing a full court press this year, I think Ntilikina is the inevitable pick. With that being said, it would be very anti-Phil's Knicks for them to telegraph their pick to the world months before the draft. It may be wishful thinking but it reminds me of the Winslow noise two years ago.



Why does Monk need to be a few inches taller? As a 2, yeah he is undersized, but not as a Pg. He has plenty of height to defend the 1. The only one of the top PGs that is over 6'3'' is John Wall, and even he is only 6'4''.


It's widely known that Phil prefers larger point guards because they need to be able to feed to post with ease. On defense, Monk's 6'0 wingspan limits his potential to become a guy that can guard multiple positions and you can stick on the other team's best player like Frank or Mitchell could grow into.

Just to clarify, my point is about Phil and Monk's fit in his eyes and has nothing to do with whether or not I personally believe he's big enough to be a point guard in the NBA.
Other than the second Bulls team with Ron Harper he has pretty much  
Mike in NJ : 6/18/2017 5:45 pm : link
Always had shorter PGs. The first Bulls team had Armstrong and Paxson who are both shorter than 6'3", the PG for most of his Lakers run was Derek Fisher who is under 6'3". There was even a year where Chucky Atkins played over 30 min a night and he's like 6' at best. Even this past season he traded for 6'3" Rose. Maybe they won't take Monk but if they don't I don't think it has anything to do with his height.
From the beginning  
Reeses Pieces : 6/18/2017 6:03 pm : link
I've wanted Monk as the Knicks lead guard. He has the ball handling to be a triangle PG. I'm sure Frank Ntilikina will be a solid pro, but not better than Monk of DSJ. I like Monk more than DSJ because he can shoot the hell out of the ball. "Never sit a shooter"- Hubie Brown
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Strahan91 : 6/18/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13503386 Mike in NJ said:
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Always had shorter PGs. The first Bulls team had Armstrong and Paxson who are both shorter than 6'3", the PG for most of his Lakers run was Derek Fisher who is under 6'3". There was even a year where Chucky Atkins played over 30 min a night and he's like 6' at best. Even this past season he traded for 6'3" Rose. Maybe they won't take Monk but if they don't I don't think it has anything to do with his height.


Size because of how it translates on defense is my thinking. Otherwise there's no argument one can make taking Frank over Monk. Phil said this last year:

"I've always liked big guards...6-4, 6-5, around there. That's because having someone that big reduces the disadvantages of having to switch on high screens."

My thinking comes from what Phil spoke about during his one press conference at the end of the year. At some point during his Melo criticism, he spoke about the new direction they want to go in which is an emphasis on defense and possibly installing a full court press because of all the great guards dominating the league today
Great trade idea here  
Sgrcts : 6/18/2017 8:43 pm : link
For Melo- this is a no brainer for the Knicks. Add Monk or DSJ and Kennard or Mitchell. Starting 5 for Knicks all of a sudden has a to. Of energy and youth to get excited about. Embrace the tank, maybe try to trade Lee for another pick, get a topv5 next year. I'm pretty much settled on just seeing both Rose and Melo back in a Knicks uni though.

Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick
NBA trade ideas on ESPN - ( New Window )
Paul George to CLE gaining steam  
DennyInDenville : 6/18/2017 8:45 pm : link
Espn
Melo to Miami is a good fit  
bceagle05 : 6/18/2017 8:47 pm : link
but Miami is supposedly gonna make a run at Gordon Hayward, so I can't imagine they'd pull the trigger on this on draft night. Melo is gonna be Plan B or C for a few teams, so it'll likely take some time.
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Strahan91 : 6/18/2017 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13503474 bceagle05 said:
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but Miami is supposedly gonna make a run at Gordon Hayward, so I can't imagine they'd pull the trigger on this on draft night. Melo is gonna be Plan B or C for a few teams, so it'll likely take some time.


Couldn't they get both guys if Bosh retires? Melo can play PF if Whiteside is backing him up
I'm hesitant  
MookGiants : 6/18/2017 9:10 pm : link
on Monk. I'm not sure he's even a perfect PG for the triangle, and I also believe by the time the knicks have any shot of being a really good team Phil will be gone and the triangle won't be around.
RE: Great trade idea here  
Mike in NJ : 6/18/2017 9:38 pm : link
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For Melo- this is a no brainer for the Knicks. Add Monk or DSJ and Kennard or Mitchell. Starting 5 for Knicks all of a sudden has a to. Of energy and youth to get excited about. Embrace the tank, maybe try to trade Lee for another pick, get a topv5 next year. I'm pretty much settled on just seeing both Rose and Melo back in a Knicks uni though.

Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick NBA trade ideas on ESPN - ( New Window )


I do that trade in a second if I'm the Knicks, but I doubt Miami would give all of that up for Melo.
Why do people think NYK will get a fraction of this haul???  
Pep22 : 6/19/2017 7:28 am : link
Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick
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Deej : 6/19/2017 7:44 am : link
In comment 13503494 Mike in NJ said:
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For Melo- this is a no brainer for the Knicks. Add Monk or DSJ and Kennard or Mitchell. Starting 5 for Knicks all of a sudden has a to. Of energy and youth to get excited about. Embrace the tank, maybe try to trade Lee for another pick, get a topv5 next year. I'm pretty much settled on just seeing both Rose and Melo back in a Knicks uni though.

Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick NBA trade ideas on ESPN - ( New Window )



I do that trade in a second if I'm the Knicks, but I doubt Miami would give all of that up for Melo.


Winslow and 14 is all i need.
RE: Why do people think NYK will get a fraction of this haul???  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 7:51 am : link
In comment 13503555 Pep22 said:
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Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick


Because the heat would only give a fraction of that haul.
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Mike in NJ : 6/19/2017 7:57 am : link
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For Melo- this is a no brainer for the Knicks. Add Monk or DSJ and Kennard or Mitchell. Starting 5 for Knicks all of a sudden has a to. Of energy and youth to get excited about. Embrace the tank, maybe try to trade Lee for another pick, get a topv5 next year. I'm pretty much settled on just seeing both Rose and Melo back in a Knicks uni though.

Heat get: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get: Justise Winslow, Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wayne Ellington, Josh McRoberts and the No. 14 pick NBA trade ideas on ESPN - ( New Window )



I do that trade in a second if I'm the Knicks, but I doubt Miami would give all of that up for Melo.



Winslow and 14 is all i need.


Absolutely. If we could get 14 and Winslow for him I would drive him to the airport myself.
Justise Winslow is fucking garbage  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 9:38 am : link
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Fultz shot  
Metnut : 6/19/2017 10:02 am : link
below 65% from the free throw line last year. Is that a legit long term concern? It would terrify me to draft a point guard who can't shoot FTs.
Sadly, we're a terrible team with Melo, and even a worse one w/o him.  
yatqb : 6/19/2017 10:29 am : link
I can't see any team giving up much for him...perhaps a pick in the 20s and a few 2s?
so?  
feelflows : 6/19/2017 10:43 am : link
what's the consensus?

do the C's keep #3? Trade it as part of a bigger deal?

if they keep it, I"m assuming they are taking Jackson. I know they were high on him (wasn't sure if it was smoke and mirrors).

RE: :'(  
santacruzom : 6/19/2017 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13503025 Anakim said:
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Fultz, Embiid, Ben Simmons, Saric. That's a sick, extremely young starting lineup.


Unfortunately, given the 76'ers' luck you should probably emphasize the word sick.
There is a report out that the Celtics and Suns are talking  
Bill L : 6/19/2017 5:03 pm : link
and if Josh Jackson is sitting at #3, then the Celtics might move down again and collect another pick or two. Seems like they're using the Little Bill approach. I'm not sure I like it because you need more a transcendent player as opposed to a bunch of really good guys, but maybe they think that there is minimal difference between a ton of players at the top?
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Deej : 6/19/2017 5:19 pm : link
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and if Josh Jackson is sitting at #3, then the Celtics might move down again and collect another pick or two. Seems like they're using the Little Bill approach. I'm not sure I like it because you need more a transcendent player as opposed to a bunch of really good guys, but maybe they think that there is minimal difference between a ton of players at the top?


Unless they love Tatum per reports, and are just cashing in again and again as the player they covet will still go to them.
The thing to keep in mind is that  
Section331 : 6/20/2017 8:32 am : link
while Fultz is the consensus #1 pick, it is not unanimous. There are also concerns about his knees, which is why the 76ers reportedly asked for medicals on him twice.

If Ainge likes Tatum more than Fultz, than it is smart for him to get a premium pick to get the guy you like anyway, I just wonder if he could have gotten a better offer if he waited.
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feelflows : 6/20/2017 10:48 am : link
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while Fultz is the consensus #1 pick, it is not unanimous. There are also concerns about his knees, which is why the 76ers reportedly asked for medicals on him twice.

If Ainge likes Tatum more than Fultz, than it is smart for him to get a premium pick to get the guy you like anyway, I just wonder if he could have gotten a better offer if he waited.



I like Tatum for this team as well, but.. with SO many picks upcoming (including the Nets pick which will be top 3), why are the Celtics concerned with QUANTITY not QUALITY?

Unless they REALLY think Tatum/Jackson are as good/better than Fultz?

I feel like it's more important, in this stage, to compile the best players, not the MOST players.

Then again, I don't fully understand all of this regarding salary cap and acquiring star players.
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