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DennyInDenville : 6/18/2017 11:01 pm
6 game slide.

Let's end this and win the next 4 series.

tied for the division lead assuming the sox hang on

Sanchez back healthy it seems
Chapman looked great and is back
No CC for a month
Hicks should be back Tuesday 100% let's hope
Bird looks like a Long ways away, Austin needs to get the call
No updates on Ellsbury

I'm sure a few roster moves are coming. Like Mason Back to aaa

Oh and the kids are all playing amazing at every level of the farm so there's that.


I wanna see Hicks at 100% Tuesday.
If Cessa doesn't impress much next 1-2 starts  
DennyInDenville : 6/18/2017 11:03 pm : link
And German is destined for the pen, then we can see Adams pretty soon maybe.

We need a bounce back performance from Monty as well.
Tough tough west coast swing  
blueblood'11 : 6/19/2017 7:18 am : link
Not sure I put too much blame on the offense. This slump I put directly on the pitching. Starting as a well as relief. All the games were close. A timely hit here or there would have helped but all in all no one appears to be in a slump other then Headley and Carter and Headley has started hitting again.

This is baseball. They still have four guys in the lineup hitting over .300 and and three more hitting .260 or better. Who would have thought going into that trip they would lose six in a row. My only gripe is why does Girardi bat Headley and Carter back to back. Neither of them hit very much at all in the clutch. Other then that I think they will bounce back. They have too much offense to sink into the abyss.

My biggest concern at this point is the starting pitching. With Chapman back it helps to reset the bullpen order and you have to wonder what the record would look like if he hadn't been on the shelf for that past month. It didn't have an impact at first but here of late it sure did.
Long term concern  
Jay in Toronto : 6/19/2017 7:29 am : link
Is Bird the second coming of Nick Johnson?
Here are the list  
13ODB : 6/19/2017 7:46 am : link
Of pitchers we are facing this home stand, Parker Bridwell, Ricky Nolasco, Jesse Chavez, and then Texas comes in, Yu Darvish, Austin Bidens and Nick Martinez, need to go 5-1 on this home stand before the next brutal road trip in Chicago and Houston.
13ODB  
blueblood'11 : 6/19/2017 8:12 am : link
I agree. Having said that the Yankees have past every difficult test put before them other then when they played the Astros the first time arounnd. That's why it was really hard to understand how they could shit the bed like they did against teams that were not that good.

Maybe they had a a sense of all they had to do was step on the field and we wiil win most of these games. I honestly believe it will come down to the starting pitching. Now that the bullpen is back in order they need to get back on the beam and get it to the back end of the bullpen. The offense is still there.
Has any of the Yankee Beat writers  
BIG FRED 1973 : 6/19/2017 8:19 am : link
asked Girardi why Austin is still in Scranton and he continues to play Carter ? I just don't understand it .If Austin is healthy get him up here !!!
6 losses by a total of 9 runs  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 8:20 am : link
It's incredibly frustrating but I don't think it should change that much about how we feel about this team. They had a tough, unlucky week. Now the division is tied, we go from there and hope some of this one run game luck turns

Obviously the loss of Chapman was really felt this week, with three leads lost in the 8th inning. I wish Girardi had been able to find more ways to use Betances. I believe he only threw 11 innings in the 5 weeks Chapman was out. But it is what it is

Only thing that worries me is Tanaka. We got by with him pitching terribly up until this point. But it's hard to see any sustained success moving forward without him at least becoming decent again. The high strikeout totals are nice to see, but the amount of HR allowed is just baffling. If he's healthy, I truly don't know what the answer is.

RE: Here are the list  
Stu11 : 6/19/2017 8:22 am : link
In comment 13503558 13ODB said:
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Of pitchers we are facing this home stand, Parker Bridwell, Ricky Nolasco, Jesse Chavez, and then Texas comes in, Yu Darvish, Austin Bidens and Nick Martinez, need to go 5-1 on this home stand before the next brutal road trip in Chicago and Houston.

How about we get a win and break the shnide before we go 5-1? We just have to stop the bleeding and get a W. we should be ok. When we were hot we were getting great SP. Since Monday it has been mediocre at best, and when we had a chance to win the BP blew it. with Chappy back that should at least settle the 8th and 9th. We should be fine. It was never going to be easy to win the division. Once we piece a win or 2 together this West Coast trip will be a distant memory.
RE: Has any of the Yankee Beat writers  
Victor in CT : 6/19/2017 8:39 am : link
In comment 13503569 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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asked Girardi why Austin is still in Scranton and he continues to play Carter ? I just don't understand it .If Austin is healthy get him up here !!!


that's a question for Cashman. Girardi plays who they give him. And Austin is not quite Lou Gehrig, so lets not make him out to be a savior.

Bird is very disconcerting. As Jay in Toronto said, you have to wonder if Bird is the new Nick Johnson. This is lining up to be a second wasted year in a row.
as a couple of you guys have pointed out  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 8:53 am : link
the bullpen finally failed this week. Whether by overuse, or just not being good enough, or some combo thereof, we blew multiple games we could have one had we been able to shut down a couple AAAA lineups in Anaheim and Oakland.

Plus, Hicks and Sanchez being dinged a little probably limited the offense.

Chapman's return should help, obviously. But the Yanks will have to declare who they're going to be before long - meaning if they want to seriously contend, they likely need to look for a trade for a top end short reliever and/or starter.

Using last year as an example, the prospect cost could be extreme. I vote to stand pat and let the rebuild continue. Yeah, the Bird situation sucks...Tanaka has been an enigma...Chris Carter continuing to get meaningful playing time is just not good...but a lot more is going right than going wrong so far.

To use a hockey analogy - let's not do what the 94 Rangers did - sacrifice a chance at multiple championships in order to try and guarantee winning one.
Trying to go to the game  
BIG FRED 1973 : 6/19/2017 9:07 am : link
Saturday and I have to download a stub hub app to my phone .Has anyone had to do this when they have bought tickets spur of the moment ? I know they do not accepted printed tickets but I thought since the game was Saturday I could at least get them mailed since the game is a few days away .
RE: Trying to go to the game  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13503592 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Saturday and I have to download a stub hub app to my phone .Has anyone had to do this when they have bought tickets spur of the moment ? I know they do not accepted printed tickets but I thought since the game was Saturday I could at least get them mailed since the game is a few days away .


Yes, I've done it, actually got tickets for Saturdays game via stubhub myself. The tickets I got are "electronic only", which means they'll just scan the e-ticket off your smartphone

In the past, I've gotten tix of stubhub that were printable, not sure if they've gone away with that, but the electronic version is easy enough too
Kyle  
blueblood'11 : 6/19/2017 9:18 am : link
I'm with you. Tanaka is worrisome big time at this point in time. He's most effective when he's pitched on an extra days rest. And you know the Yankees don't want to go to a six man rotation.

What puzzles me is his use or non use of his fast ball. It appears he is capable of locating it. He gets hurt more on his split. Teams appear to be looking for it and when they get it and it is a less then effective pitch they hammer it. I think he needs to throw the fastball more. They expect the split because he throws it so much.
RE: Trying to go to the game  
BH28 : 6/19/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13503592 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Saturday and I have to download a stub hub app to my phone .Has anyone had to do this when they have bought tickets spur of the moment ? I know they do not accepted printed tickets but I thought since the game was Saturday I could at least get them mailed since the game is a few days away .


Yes. I did this last Wednesday for the angels game. No issues. You can screen shot and text the tickets to other people in your group if you need to split them up
Thanks  
BIG FRED 1973 : 6/19/2017 9:37 am : link
guys
This might have been the most frustrating stretch of Yankee games  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 9:39 am : link
I've ever seen. Six game losing streak against two of the worst teams in the AL, and they had a lead in every single game. Just infuriating.
True Greg, but every team has an inexplicable bad stretch  
Victor in CT : 6/19/2017 9:59 am : link
like this. But with Chapman back, everyone slides down an inning in the pen, and they should get better starts than on this trip. Nobody went more than 6 on the trip, unusual for this rotation Tanaka excepted. I think they will bounce back.
yep Greg it was crazy  
Stu11 : 6/19/2017 10:02 am : link
I mean you'd expect to lose some to lousy teams where your SP doesn't have it and you get bombed, but to play 6 close games in a row vs. lousy teams an lose them all? its almost unfathomable. You'd think those teams would beat themselves at least once.
There are maybe 4 guys in the As lineup I had ever heard of  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 10:04 am : link
before this series.

They didn't play well, and they didn't get many bounces going their way. It would be silly to derive any long-term conclusions about the Yankees over this one stretch of increasingly injury-depleted games. It's just aggravating though.
RE: If Cessa doesn't impress much next 1-2 starts  
Beer Man : 6/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13503528 DennyInDenville said:
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And German is destined for the pen, then we can see Adams pretty soon maybe.

We need a bounce back performance from Monty as well.
I think given CC's injury and Tanaka's issues, you would think that they would want Adams there now.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
I think you guys should blame averagejoe... pretty sure the 6 game slide happened immediately following that post he made. Bad juju.
RE: RE: Has any of the Yankee Beat writers  
mitch300 : 6/19/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13503577 Victor in CT said:
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asked Girardi why Austin is still in Scranton and he continues to play Carter ? I just don't understand it .If Austin is healthy get him up here !!!



that's a question for Cashman. Girardi plays who they give him. And Austin is not quite Lou Gehrig, so lets not make him out to be a savior.

Bird is very disconcerting. As Jay in Toronto said, you have to wonder if Bird is the new Nick Johnson. This is lining up to be a second wasted year in a row.

Cashman was asked the question by Kay on his show. He said that Carter is the best option we have right now , and the we continue to evaluate. Looking outside the organization might also be a possibility.

I have a question. What about Mike Ford? Whats his upside( for those who know the minor system Dunedin,Greg etc.
I wonder if they're doing the old "Austin Jackson thing"  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2017 1:53 pm : link
with Tyler Austin and Dustin Fowler? I mean they have guys who should/could be in the Majors helping the team (even if it's on a temporary basis) and they don't call them up because they don't want to risk exposing them and lowering their trade value. LORD knows the excuse for keeping them in the minors can't be their strikeout numbers.
Mike Ford isn't considered to be a legit prospect  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 1:57 pm : link
Mainly because he's a first baseman without a lot of power. If you're only a first baseman, it's awfully tough to get noticed without big power.
Gleyber's arm was in a brace  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 3:29 pm : link
upon reentering the Scranton clubhouse (after meeting with Yankee team docs today). May mean nothing, but we'll see.
Gleyber out for year Torn ulnar collateral ligament  
TheMick7 : 6/19/2017 3:32 pm : link
TJ surgery Hope to be readsy for spring training 2018 according to Yankees PR release
RE: I wonder if they're doing the old  
rich in DC : 6/19/2017 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13503943 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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with Tyler Austin and Dustin Fowler? I mean they have guys who should/could be in the Majors helping the team (even if it's on a temporary basis) and they don't call them up because they don't want to risk exposing them and lowering their trade value. LORD knows the excuse for keeping them in the minors can't be their strikeout numbers.


Teams already know what Austin is- they saw him a lot last year. Fowler is easier- he has no clear route to playing time. He is a CF/LF. The Yanks have Gardner, Ellsbury and Hicks in front of him- even with Ellsbury on the DL, too many players in front of him.

Fowler could also work on taking some walks or laying of near-strikes. Needs to improve that OBP.
RE: Gleyber out for year Torn ulnar collateral ligament  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13504067 TheMick7 said:
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TJ surgery Hope to be readsy for spring training 2018 according to Yankees PR release


GTFO. Even our position players need TJ surgery now? What a kick in the balls.
RE: RE: Gleyber out for year Torn ulnar collateral ligament  
Victor in CT : 6/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13504098 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13504067 TheMick7 said:


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TJ surgery Hope to be readsy for spring training 2018 according to Yankees PR release



GTFO. Even our position players need TJ surgery now? What a kick in the balls.


the head first slide strikes again.
RE: RE: Has any of the Yankee Beat writers  
nygnyy274 : 6/20/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13503577 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13503569 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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asked Girardi why Austin is still in Scranton and he continues to play Carter ? I just don't understand it .If Austin is healthy get him up here !!!



that's a question for Cashman. Girardi plays who they give him. And Austin is not quite Lou Gehrig, so lets not make him out to be a savior.

Bird is very disconcerting. As Jay in Toronto said, you have to wonder if Bird is the new Nick Johnson. This is lining up to be a second wasted year in a row.


Nobody is making him out to be a savior, fans are sick and tired of carter striking out 12 times a series and want a change it's not rocket science since Austin is doing well in the minors
RE: RE: RE: Has any of the Yankee Beat writers  
rich in DC : 6/20/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13504619 nygnyy274 said:
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In comment 13503569 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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asked Girardi why Austin is still in Scranton and he continues to play Carter ? I just don't understand it .If Austin is healthy get him up here !!!



that's a question for Cashman. Girardi plays who they give him. And Austin is not quite Lou Gehrig, so lets not make him out to be a savior.

Bird is very disconcerting. As Jay in Toronto said, you have to wonder if Bird is the new Nick Johnson. This is lining up to be a second wasted year in a row.



Nobody is making him out to be a savior, fans are sick and tired of carter striking out 12 times a series and want a change it's not rocket science since Austin is doing well in the minors


I think that people are making Austin out to be more than he is. One of Austin's biggest issues as he rose through the system was a lack of a defensive position.

He was drafted as a C, moved to 3B, moved to the OF, moved to 1B and then to DH. The big issue is that he does not play any defensive position in the field well enough to be a defensive regular.

It doesn't do much to improve the team if Austin hits somewhat better than Carter- only to be worse defensively and cost the team runs in the field.
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