Colin Kaepernick's job prospects

I hope he blew all his money and doesn't see another dime from the NFL.

Heez so much bettah then deez udder backup korterbaks hoo ar getting sined

Colin is just being blacklisted by the big bad stoogy NFL establishment.

He's an idiot. That's why he's unemployed. If you can play qb at a relatively respectable level you will get a job unless you act like an idiot. Colin isn't a victim he's making his own bed here.

1. Whether or not Kaepernick has the right to voice these opinions and whether these opinions have some justification are separate questions from the following question: Is he being prudent?

Clear answer is no.

2. There are many folks on this board who are likely enjoying Kaepernick's continued unemployment.

3. There are many here, who likely have family or friends in law enforcement, who see Kaepernick's comments as incredibly offensive personal attacks.

4. This thread won't add a thing. What is likely to follow is the same sorry rehearsal of arguments past. I thought for a while that the banning of political threads on BBI was a poor idea, but I've come around to agreeing with Eric on this. The threads, in their recent iterations (I'm thinking the last 4-5 years), add more heat than light.

5. There used to be a time when there were a set of posters who would consistently elevate the discussion in these sorts of threads. They have left. When they were here, it was possible to learn something. Now, BBI political threads are most useful as political litmus tests. I'm one of those coastal elites for whom November 2016 was supposed to be a comeuppance. I come around to BBI to get a clearer picture of what people outside the northeastern bubble think and say.

The NFL. Hie is considered a poison pill to any perspective team needing a qb. He will never be signed.

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Even though not everyone would agree, I doubt they would have a problem with that.

Then he goes on to demonize an entire, multiracial group of people, the vast majority of whom have never engaged in the conduct that outraged him. Face palm.

Why?

1) I like police officers
2) I respect and thank our military
3) Could not believe the 49'rs and NFL let him protest at games on national tv

With that said, he exercised his rights and now other NFL teams are exercising there rights.

So in the end it all balances out. He's getting what he asked for.

In comment 13503622 Ash_3 said:

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1. Whether or not Kaepernick has the right to voice these opinions and whether these opinions have some justification are separate questions from the following question: Is he being prudent? Clear answer is no. 2. There are many folks on this board who are likely enjoying Kaepernick's continued unemployment. 3. There are many here, who likely have family or friends in law enforcement, who see Kaepernick's comments as incredibly offensive personal attacks. 4. This thread won't add a thing. What is likely to follow is the same sorry rehearsal of arguments past. I thought for a while that the banning of political threads on BBI was a poor idea, but I've come around to agreeing with Eric on this. The threads, in their recent iterations (I'm thinking the last 4-5 years), add more heat than light. 5. There used to be a time when there were a set of posters who would consistently elevate the discussion in these sorts of threads. They have left. When they were here, it was possible to learn something. Now, BBI political threads are most useful as political litmus tests. I'm one of those coastal elites for whom November 2016 was supposed to be a comeuppance. I come around to BBI to get a clearer picture of what people outside the northeastern bubble think and say.

Ash, with respect, I think that you're coming to the wrong place to sate that particular interest. While there is some diversity here, we are still largely that northeastern bubble even for members where geography might suggest otherwise. On the specific topic, I think that most people here and I would hope outside the bubble, would see tragedy and potential injustice in Minnesota. Where Kaepernick (and many others )err, IMO, is in extrapolating the anger to cover any police officer anywhere. Personally, I think much of him being unemployed currently is due to the tripartite balances between needs of the team, his ability, and potential distractions not being in his favor. I also think that the balance is such that he is one good injury away from being signed.

Who?

In comment 13503664 Bill L said:

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In comment 13503622 Ash_3 said: Quote: 1. Whether or not Kaepernick has the right to voice these opinions and whether these opinions have some justification are separate questions from the following question: Is he being prudent? Clear answer is no. 2. There are many folks on this board who are likely enjoying Kaepernick's continued unemployment. 3. There are many here, who likely have family or friends in law enforcement, who see Kaepernick's comments as incredibly offensive personal attacks. 4. This thread won't add a thing. What is likely to follow is the same sorry rehearsal of arguments past. I thought for a while that the banning of political threads on BBI was a poor idea, but I've come around to agreeing with Eric on this. The threads, in their recent iterations (I'm thinking the last 4-5 years), add more heat than light. 5. There used to be a time when there were a set of posters who would consistently elevate the discussion in these sorts of threads. They have left. When they were here, it was possible to learn something. Now, BBI political threads are most useful as political litmus tests. I'm one of those coastal elites for whom November 2016 was supposed to be a comeuppance. I come around to BBI to get a clearer picture of what people outside the northeastern bubble think and say. Ash, with respect, I think that you're coming to the wrong place to sate that particular interest. While there is some diversity here, we are still largely that northeastern bubble even for members where geography might suggest otherwise. On the specific topic, I think that most people here and I would hope outside the bubble, would see tragedy and potential injustice in Minnesota. Where Kaepernick (and many others )err, IMO, is in extrapolating the anger to cover any police officer anywhere. Personally, I think much of him being unemployed currently is due to the tripartite balances between needs of the team, his ability, and potential distractions not being in his favor. I also think that the balance is such that he is one good injury away from being signed.

Unless he comes out with a huge apology to this, I can't see any team wanting the heat that would come with his signing. I would imagine every police union and police supporters would call for a boycott of the NFL and the team that signs him and with good cause. From pig socks, to kneeling for the anthem, to Fidel Castro supporting tee shirts and Black Panther/Nation of Islam worshiping this guy is bad news.

In comment 13503675 HoustonGiant said:

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Who?

Colin Kaepernicus.

He postulated the theory that the Earth revolves around his afro.

Shaun King wrote last week how if Kaepernick isn't on an NFL roster because the powerful white NFL owners don't want him, he's boycotting the 2017 season....what a cock.

As most of you know, I was a big Kap supporter coming out of college. He actually ended signing with an agency that represented me at the time. Things were going good for the youngster, then, off-field distractions. If you look at his girlfriend and current "advisers," you could see where he underwent his radical change. The guy turned into a pariah and his downward tumble has now led to his latest ridiculous "words of wisdom." Sadly, he enters that place in life called the NFL trash heap, wasting a career that saw the likes of Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell forsake their athletic ability for endeavors off the field that soon led to their professional extinction. Kap, look in the mirror buddy, you were the one that created your own monster. You now have to realize, as Jim Morrison said, "this is the end, my friend."

In comment 13503630 njm said:

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Even though not everyone would agree, I doubt they would have a problem with that. Then he goes on to demonize an entire, multiracial group of people, the vast majority of whom have never engaged in the conduct that outraged him. Face palm.

Exactly. His odds of getting an NFL job were long to begin with, they are virtually nonexistent now.

helping those left fortunate. I mean thats his passion. Go with it.

Fuck football and do what you are built to do.

All this talk about being blackballed is stupid. His head isnt in the game. Its in helping people.

No, you're not, No you're not, No you're not

Maybe Dr. Dre can sign him

In comment 13503696 nflscouting said:

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As most of you know, I was a big Kap supporter coming out of college. He actually ended signing with an agency that represented me at the time. Things were going good for the youngster, then, off-field distractions. If you look at his girlfriend and current "advisers," you could see where he underwent his radical change. The guy turned into a pariah and his downward tumble has now led to his latest ridiculous "words of wisdom." Sadly, he enters that place in life called the NFL trash heap, wasting a career that saw the likes of Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell forsake their athletic ability for endeavors off the field that soon led to their professional extinction. Kap, look in the mirror buddy, you were the one that created your own monster. You now have to realize, as Jim Morrison said, "this is the end, my friend."

Hope it's not a Tank Black situation. Ike Hilliard did enough suffering for the world on that one.

LOL

In comment 13503729 RobCrossRiver56 said:

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No, you're not, No you're not, No you're not Maybe Dr. Dre can sign him

I hated that ad. Thanks a lot for reminding me of it lol

a CFL team will sign him...

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He hurt himself while the plus side is that no black player will ever speak up again - and nor should they. They are being paid millions of dollars to damage their brains so they aren't the smartest tools in the shed anyway.

I doubt that they want a player use the NFL as as platform for his own personal political agenda.

prospects, I truly believe that if he didn't suck he'd be on a roster right now.

He's just not good enough to get away with this kind of shit. Mike Vick electrocuted dogs for fun and profit and found another job again, but this guy will rot on a sideline because his performance doesn't merit taking on the giant PR shitstorm that his signing would accompany.

was BS and person being real knows that .... but people are what he should have done was bow down ignore etc

How about the system does the right thing for a change?

In comment 13503839 LCtheINTMachine said:

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He hurt himself while the plus side is that no black player will ever speak up again - and nor should they. They are being paid millions of dollars to damage their brains so they aren't the smartest tools in the shed anyway.

I was with you the first 6 words of your post... then you went full on dumbass on me.

In comment 13503854 jcn56 said:

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prospects, I truly believe that if he didn't suck he'd be on a roster right now. He's just not good enough to get away with this kind of shit. Mike Vick electrocuted dogs for fun and profit and found another job again, but this guy will rot on a sideline because his performance doesn't merit taking on the giant PR shitstorm that his signing would accompany.

I have to agree. Jerry Jones would hire him in a heartbeat if he was any good. His comments are so ridiculous and hypocritical because a large part of his argument is against profiling and stereotyping yet that is exactly what he is doing when he puts all the police in the same basket.

He's an idiot!

In comment 13503881 nicky43 said:

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In comment 13503854 jcn56 said: Quote: prospects, I truly believe that if he didn't suck he'd be on a roster right now. He's just not good enough to get away with this kind of shit. Mike Vick electrocuted dogs for fun and profit and found another job again, but this guy will rot on a sideline because his performance doesn't merit taking on the giant PR shitstorm that his signing would accompany. I have to agree. Jerry Jones would hire him in a heartbeat if he was any good. His comments are so ridiculous and hypocritical because a large part of his argument is against profiling and stereotyping yet that is exactly what he is doing when he puts all the police in the same basket. He's an idiot!

Agree 100%.

In comment 13503839 LCtheINTMachine said:

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He hurt himself while the plus side is that no black player will ever speak up again - and nor should they. They are being paid millions of dollars to damage their brains so they aren't the smartest tools in the shed anyway.

Yeesh, where to start on this post...

he's in an entertainment/consumer facing industry, and you live with what you do to your image when that is your line of work.

I'd just remind all the people reveling in his unemployment not to complain when people get fired or shamed for saying things that you agree with or at least dont think are a big deal. It's tough to bemoan the big bad PC thought police and then feel like CK is rightly cast out of the NFL. No selective snow flaking.

In comment 13503854 jcn56 said:

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prospects, I truly believe that if he didn't suck he'd be on a roster right now. He's just not good enough to get away with this kind of shit. Mike Vick electrocuted dogs for fun and profit and found another job again, but this guy will rot on a sideline because his performance doesn't merit taking on the giant PR shitstorm that his signing would accompany.

this 10000000%

In comment 13503863 MotownGIANTS said:

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was BS and person being real knows that .... but people are what he should have done was bow down ignore etc How about the system does the right thing for a change?

You're making the same mistake he did. See my 9:53. If he had just talked about the verdict this thread wouldn't exist.

In comment 13503903 njm said:

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In comment 13503863 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: was BS and person being real knows that .... but people are what he should have done was bow down ignore etc How about the system does the right thing for a change? You're making the same mistake he did. See my 9:53. If he had just talked about the verdict this thread wouldn't exist.

Slightly disagree with this njm as his point is that this particular verdict has become all too commonplace. But where I agree is that he needs to stop painting ALL law enforcement officers with the same broad stroke. That's where his message is fucked up and coming out a day or two (or never at all) later and saying 'I of course didn't mean all law enforcement' is too late.

In comment 13503889 Deej said:

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he's in an entertainment/consumer facing industry, and you live with what you do to your image when that is your line of work. I'd just remind all the people reveling in his unemployment not to complain when people get fired or shamed for saying things that you agree with or at least dont think are a big deal. It's tough to bemoan the big bad PC thought police and then feel like CK is rightly cast out of the NFL. No selective snow flaking.

I certainly don't revel in it. I'm trying to be as dispassionate as possible. I have a very strict rule about not supporting someone being fired for things they say. I think you should be say anything that you want and not be fired. However, I do also recognize the right of companies to do so, but I still side with the employee. At the same time, I think it's perfectly fine to not hire someone (as opposed to firing) which is more the case here, and I vigorously support, as consumers, using purchasing power to demonstrate your views on acceptability of what was said.

Seriously

he was the one who opted out of his contract. I never want to see a man suffer, in his case I hope it is just a little. My daughter is looking to go into law enforcement. I too love our men and women in the military. He was adopted by a loving white family, who afforded him a quality up bringing he has said as much many times. Instead of trying to figure out ways to bring people together he has and is continuing to do nothing but to create further divides. I am sick of him and sick of people just like him in society. The fact he is still out of work as a sub-par QB does not surprise me in the least. People trying to use his protesting as an excuse for his lack of a job surprises me even less. He stinks, Arena football, flag football here he comes.

In comment 13503910 T-Bone said:

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In comment 13503903 njm said: Quote: In comment 13503863 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: was BS and person being real knows that .... but people are what he should have done was bow down ignore etc How about the system does the right thing for a change? You're making the same mistake he did. See my 9:53. If he had just talked about the verdict this thread wouldn't exist. Slightly disagree with this njm as his point is that this particular verdict has become all too commonplace. But where I agree is that he needs to stop painting ALL law enforcement officers with the same broad stroke. That's where his message is fucked up and coming out a day or two (or never at all) later and saying 'I of course didn't mean all law enforcement' is too late.

Exactly. Nothing is absolute.

All I can say is you are not a good cop because you don't directly take place in these murders ... but when you are complicit and mute about CRIMES being committed against the public as standing by your "brothers in blue" then you are a bad cop and ok with profiling due to income levels, racism and murder to say the least.

out of a job, now he is working on insuring that he could never come back. Complete fool and being used as a political tool that could care less about him and the cause he stands for. Young fools never get the meaning of the real game.

Particularly against the elevated level seen against unarmed minorities. So with that, it's a shame that Kaepernick has become one of the main faces of that movement.

What an awful dude.

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He's just not good enough to get away with this kind of shit. Mike Vick electrocuted dogs for fun and profit and found another job again, but this guy will rot on a sideline because his performance doesn't merit taking on the giant PR shitstorm that his signing would accompany.

I disagree with this analogy. What Vick did could be quantified as an awful endeavor that ultimately came to a close. Whether or not NFL decided to forgive him is not the point. Ultimately that choice was presented to them as what Vick did became an event from the past.

With Kaepernick, what he's doing is a perpetual ideology that can rear it's head any time he speaks, and an ideology he makes no apologies about. It's ongoing. That's the key difference in why Vick got a job again and Kaep may never.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"?

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This. But is he qualified?

As a political hot take asshole. He's going for shock and awe, retweets and to get his name out there. He's smarter than everybody is giving him credit for. Still a disingenuous asshole thats angling for a trolling career, but not dumb.

In comment 13503977 giant24 said:

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"?

i have been saying for awhile. You generalize all cops because of the actions of 3 or 10 cops. That isnt right.

In comment 13503977 giant24 said:

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"?

Yes... it does. Because, as some police officers will tell you, the only color they see is blue. The race of the officer doesn't matter one bit... good and bad apples come in all the different races. And most black folks will tell you that it's actually the minority cops who are a lot worse than the white ones.

In comment 13504029 T-Bone said:

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In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? Yes... it does. Because, as some police officers will tell you, the only color they see is blue. The race of the officer doesn't matter one bit... good and bad apples come in all the different races. And most black folks will tell you that it's actually the minority cops who are a lot worse than the white ones.

A lot worse in what way? Racist?

In comment 13504033 giant24 said:

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In comment 13504029 T-Bone said: Quote: In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? Yes... it does. Because, as some police officers will tell you, the only color they see is blue. The race of the officer doesn't matter one bit... good and bad apples come in all the different races. And most black folks will tell you that it's actually the minority cops who are a lot worse than the white ones. A lot worse in what way? Racist?

No, with regards to police brutality.

Not sure whether this has been your experience or not, but the African American LEOs I know say that they get treated much, much worse by black citizens than their white colleagues. All the name-calling in the book, physical resistance, what have you.

In comment 13504057 T-Bone said:

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In comment 13504033 giant24 said: Quote: In comment 13504029 T-Bone said: Quote: In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? Yes... it does. Because, as some police officers will tell you, the only color they see is blue. The race of the officer doesn't matter one bit... good and bad apples come in all the different races. And most black folks will tell you that it's actually the minority cops who are a lot worse than the white ones. A lot worse in what way? Racist? No, with regards to police brutality.

Thats interesting. Why do they say or do you think that is the case?

Naturally... because they're not only the 'enemy' but also a 'traitor' (for lack of a better word) as well.

In comment 13504080 giant24 said:

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In comment 13504057 T-Bone said: Quote: In comment 13504033 giant24 said: Quote: In comment 13504029 T-Bone said: Quote: In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? Yes... it does. Because, as some police officers will tell you, the only color they see is blue. The race of the officer doesn't matter one bit... good and bad apples come in all the different races. And most black folks will tell you that it's actually the minority cops who are a lot worse than the white ones. A lot worse in what way? Racist? No, with regards to police brutality. Thats interesting. Why do they say or do you think that is the case?

It's been my personal experience that some seem to feel the need to overcompensate. Not only to show their white counterparts that they 'bleed blue', just like them, but to also show they're not taking it easy on a black, or other minority, people because of their race.

He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place.

In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place.

I think most Americans are more troubled by a guy who openly wears cop "pig" socks, disrespects the National Anthem/Military, praises Fidel Castro and Malcom X, compares police to the slave patrol and follows the tenants of the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers.

In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place.

He's banned because of the free market. The majority of football fans don't like his antics. The government isn't keeping from him from his job, his comments and actions don't sit well with viewers of the NFL. And even some people I know that agree with himsay they don't want his schtick on sundays. Football is a place where many people go to get away from the politics and negative news of the work week. When it starts to encroach people become turned off.

when you need to embellish and exaggerate.

I wish more Americans would appreciate how we live in a great country with free expression and speech. Before you know it people will be criticizing Shakespearean plays without understanding the context and history.

In comment 13504140 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said: Quote: He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place. He's banned because of the free market. The majority of football fans don't like his antics. The government isn't keeping from him from his job, his comments and actions don't sit well with viewers of the NFL. And even some people I know that agree with himsay they don't want his schtick on sundays. Football is a place where many people go to get away from the politics and negative news of the work week. When it starts to encroach people become turned off.

I believe he's banned because of a huge overreaction.

In comment 13504018 GMAN4LIFE said:

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In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? i have been saying for awhile. You generalize all cops because of the actions of 3 or 10 cops. That isnt right.

So you are under the premise the other 7 cops totally unaware of the other 3 cops being bad seeds (to out it mildly)? Or are you saying that the other 7 are doing the right thing and call in the feds, internal affairs, testifying the truth?

Because stand mute and going with the thought process I'll say and do nothing makes them just as guilty.

In comment 13504148 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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In comment 13504140 bradshaw44 said: Quote: In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said: Quote: He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place. He's banned because of the free market. The majority of football fans don't like his antics. The government isn't keeping from him from his job, his comments and actions don't sit well with viewers of the NFL. And even some people I know that agree with himsay they don't want his schtick on sundays. Football is a place where many people go to get away from the politics and negative news of the work week. When it starts to encroach people become turned off. I believe he's banned because of a huge overreaction.

Ok

In comment 13504134 giant24 said:

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I think most Americans are more troubled by a guy who openly wears cop "pig" socks, disrespects the National Anthem/Military, praises Fidel Castro and Malcom X, compares police to the slave patrol and follows the tenants of the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers.

While your comments are hardly a surprise, you should refrain from using the word "most". Speak for yourself... don't pretend you know the opinions of everyone else or more importantly, that they agree with you.

In comment 13504155 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13504134 giant24 said: Quote: I think most Americans are more troubled by a guy who openly wears cop "pig" socks, disrespects the National Anthem/Military, praises Fidel Castro and Malcom X, compares police to the slave patrol and follows the tenants of the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers. While your comments are hardly a surprise, you should refrain from using the word "most". Speak for yourself... don't pretend you know the opinions of everyone else or more importantly, that they agree with you.

These are all facts - you can't dispute them including the majority of Americans.

In two recent polls that were both conducted within the past week, a majority of respondents said that they disagree with Kaepernick's decision to protest racial inequality and police brutality by not standing for the national anthem.
In one poll, which was conducted by Reuters, 72 percent of Americans said that they thought Kaepernick's behavior was unpatriotic. Another 61 percent said that they do not "support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem."
The Reuters poll of 2,903 adults was conducted between Sept. 6-12. Kaepernick's protest went public on Aug. 26.
POLL: Majority of Americans disagree with Colin Kaepernick's protest - ( New Window )

In comment 13504149 MotownGIANTS said:

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In comment 13504018 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? i have been saying for awhile. You generalize all cops because of the actions of 3 or 10 cops. That isnt right. So you are under the premise the other 7 cops totally unaware of the other 3 cops being bad seeds (to out it mildly)? Or are you saying that the other 7 are doing the right thing and call in the feds, internal affairs, testifying the truth? Because stand mute and going with the thought process I'll say and do nothing makes them just as guilty.

oh no. you have me all wrong. Im saying that there are a couple of cops that are part of the issue but not the entire fucking cop culture in the freaking USA. thats generalizing.

In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place.

Bad things happen to good people. America is not turning to a dark place. It has some "dark places", as T-Bone has been saying. There is far too much rhetoric and hyperbole being used to describe political problems which is exacerbating all kinds of disagreements.

I do have a problem with abuse of minorities by authorities. They are real and I'd bet most Americans agree. I also cannot argue with a trial by jury. What else can the DAs do? The fact that at least "rogue" cops are being arrested and placed on trial is a positive. Their actions are being reviewed. While the outcome of a trial may not be what is desired, it does start putting individuals on notice that questionable tactics are subject to arrest. It may not change the worst offenders(who hopefully get terminated), but it may deter some reckless behavior in the better cops. It forces PDs to review procedures. Like any change of behavior, it takes time and steady effort. Every new trial causes the ground to shake and raises alarms.

In comment 13504158 giant24 said:

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These are all facts - you can't dispute them including the majority of Americans. In two recent polls that were both conducted within the past week, a majority of respondents said that they disagree with Kaepernick's decision to protest racial inequality and police brutality by not standing for the national anthem. In one poll, which was conducted by Reuters, 72 percent of Americans said that they thought Kaepernick's behavior was unpatriotic. Another 61 percent said that they do not "support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem." The Reuters poll of 2,903 adults was conducted between Sept. 6-12. Kaepernick's protest went public on Aug. 26. POLL: Majority of Americans disagree with Colin Kaepernick's protest - ( New Window )

Your comment that I referred to said a helluva lot more stuff than agreeing or disagreeing with his stance and his decision to stand/not stand during the national anthem.

Nowhere in that Reuters poll does it say anything about Malcolm X, for example. You just took it too far.

First issue, Kap's job prospects, or lack of, are genuinely of his own doing. He had every right to speak his mind on the other issue referenced below,, and even to protest in the way he chose to. Unfortunately for him, he also chose to protest while generalizing and not putting forth logically consistent view points. Some of his choices, were immature means of protest sure to incite rather than spark genuine discourse. (Pig socks, this latest comparison/generalization) And to top it all off, his play has been mediocre for a few years now. The lack of a job at this point is not at all surprising given the above, nor is it the fault of franchise owners. They are running a business and the cost of signing him at this point has not seemed worth it to most folks. All that said, I expect him to get a job after preseason when a starter goes down for the year.

The other issue, the treatment and unnecessary lethal force used on innocent minorities and the general population, by law enforcement, is a problem. And The thread on philando castille would be a better location for that discussion, so as not to confound the two issue she.

The issues certainly intersect at some points but on the whole, they are separate. Kap is no victim here, he is mostly to blame for his current unemployment.

And there are indeed serious issues a small percentage of law enforcement officers out there.

Both can be true at the same time and in my humble opinion they are both very true.

And there are indeed serious issues ***concerning a small percentage of law enforcement officers out there.

the 3 polls mentioned by CBSsports (Reuters, Survey Monkey, & Seton Hall) show "most" white people disagree with Kaepernick's stance on whether to stand/not stand for the national anthem. That's not the case with minorities in any of the 3 polls.

where the authors think Obama is a secret Muslim. I guess that is 'progress', but you continually outdo yourself with dishonest posts.

In comment 13504158 giant24 said:

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In comment 13504155 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: In comment 13504134 giant24 said: Quote: I think most Americans are more troubled by a guy who openly wears cop "pig" socks, disrespects the National Anthem/Military, praises Fidel Castro and Malcom X, compares police to the slave patrol and follows the tenants of the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers. While your comments are hardly a surprise, you should refrain from using the word "most". Speak for yourself... don't pretend you know the opinions of everyone else or more importantly, that they agree with you. These are all facts - you can't dispute them including the majority of Americans. In two recent polls that were both conducted within the past week, a majority of respondents said that they disagree with Kaepernick's decision to protest racial inequality and police brutality by not standing for the national anthem. In one poll, which was conducted by Reuters, 72 percent of Americans said that they thought Kaepernick's behavior was unpatriotic. Another 61 percent said that they do not "support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem." The Reuters poll of 2,903 adults was conducted between Sept. 6-12. Kaepernick's protest went public on Aug. 26. POLL: Majority of Americans disagree with Colin Kaepernick's protest - ( New Window )

That's my concern, people see it as unpatriotic.

In comment 13504176 David in LA said:

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where the authors think Obama is a secret Muslim. I guess that is 'progress', but you continually outdo yourself with dishonest posts.

Hey what took you so long. So far a civil discussion but now that you are here I give it another 10-15 minutes before it gets deleted by the mods.

...to his own stupidity.

I was waiting to see when the dumbest comment would pop up, and saw that you posted, so I had to chime in. I know you don't like being held accountable for the bullshit that you continually post, too fucking bad. You deserve to be called out when you post tripe. Again, I'm talking to a guy that thinks Muslims gathered around in prayer is some sign that Muslims are plotting to take over the United States, so I'm probably wasting keystrokes on a complete fucking moron.

In comment 13504186 David in LA said:

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I was waiting to see when the dumbest comment would pop up, and saw that you posted, so I had to chime in. I know you don't like being held accountable for the bullshit that you continually post, too fucking bad. You deserve to be called out when you post tripe. Again, I'm talking to a guy that thinks Muslims gathered around in prayer is some sign that Muslims are plotting to take over the United States, so I'm probably wasting keystrokes on a complete fucking moron.

You are unhinged! Decaf dude.

In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. Society has developed to where opinions this hateful and divisive are shunned. It would be a disservice to everyone to do otherwise.

In comment 13504161 GMAN4LIFE said:

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In comment 13504149 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: In comment 13504018 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: In comment 13503977 giant24 said: Quote: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." This latest shooting and the last high profile shooting in Charlotte was a Mexican and an African American cop shooting a black man. Does this even fit into his reason for protesting considering the cops are "people of color"? i have been saying for awhile. You generalize all cops because of the actions of 3 or 10 cops. That isnt right. So you are under the premise the other 7 cops totally unaware of the other 3 cops being bad seeds (to out it mildly)? Or are you saying that the other 7 are doing the right thing and call in the feds, internal affairs, testifying the truth? Because stand mute and going with the thought process I'll say and do nothing makes them just as guilty. oh no. you have me all wrong. Im saying that there are a couple of cops that are part of the issue but not the entire fucking cop culture in the freaking USA. thats generalizing.

I agree that the bad are outnumbered from a overview but we are only looking at those that "actively" commit the crimes ... those that stand and lie for them or do nothing to bring JUSTICE are just as guilty and corrupt.

Look at it like a girl is raped in frat house, football team etc ... or a inner city child by a coach....coaches friend ... is only the rapist guilty or all that knew it was rape stood and did nothing .... and the number of mute hiders of the real truth are larger in number than people really want to admit

In comment 13504205 OntheRoad said:

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In comment 13504115 Ron Johnson 30 said: Quote: He was blackballed prior to this Tweet. Even the president suggested he shouldn't be in the NFL. I don't understand how more Americans aren't troubled by an athlete being banned because he engaged in unpopular political speech. He has done a lot of good work in several communities. America is turning in to a very dark place. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Society has developed to where opinions this hateful and divisive are shunned. It would be a disservice to everyone to do otherwise.

Hold a sec now... this 'house' was divided looooong before Kaepernick decided to do this protest. Let's not act like it started with him. As someone somewhat said earlier, society sure seems to be more than fine with seeing people of all races (but in particular minorities) get brutalized and killed by dirty cops and there's something very wrong with that.

Just on this very thread someone stated that people want to watch football to 'get away from political' stuff... and get that. But for some of us, once the game is over we have to go back to facing a reality that some of those people do not... so I don't feel sorry for anyone who feels inconvenienced seeing someone not stand for the national anthem as a form of protest. Shit... I WISH I could be that 'inconvenienced' as a part of my daily life. But I was just told yesterday a story how a cousin of mine was suddenly pulled over by a cop for no reason... was told to get out of the car... her brother-in-law (who was with her to go to the store to buy some milk for Father's Day breakfast) gets put in handcuffs simply because he 'looks aggressive' (what kind of shit is that? The man's like 60+ years old!)... had to wait an hour and a half to have a K9 come and sniff out her car... and after all of that, after they find absolutely nothing in her car or on her, just gets told 'Sorry' and told to go on about her way.

THAT'S an inconvenience that we have to face when the game is over.

In comment 13504211 MotownGIANTS said:

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I agree that the bad are outnumbered from a overview but we are only looking at those that "actively" commit the crimes ... those that stand and lie for them or do nothing to bring JUSTICE are just as guilty and corrupt. Look at it like a girl is raped in frat house, football team etc ... or a inner city child by a coach....coaches friend ... is only the rapist guilty or all that knew it was rape stood and did nothing .... and the number of mute hiders of the real truth are larger in number than people really want to admit

You seem to think that at the station house before a new watch takes over that the police sit around and say "Oh I beat the shit out of this guy (or pejorative term) yesterday because I didn't like the look he gave me" or "you know I planted the pistol on the guy I shot yesterday". There may officers involved in a specific incident that may know of wrongdoing but it's not like the entire Minneapolis or Charlotte or any other large police force are all "in the know". I'm sure their first inclination is to give the officer involved the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean they can provide personal knowledge to Internal Affairs or a DA.

High GPA college student, high wonderlic score.

From all accounts, legitimately a nice kid back then. Even his first two seasons on the Niner roster he was a pretty laid back guy.

All downhill after the Super Bowl.

Many are pissed over Kap for political reasons, and I'm just annoyed for football related ones. Could have been every bit as good or better than Newton or Wilson and didn't put in the work. A lot of it was the team, not all on him, but I still hold him somewhat responsible.

The most insane thing though still.........if that trade with Denver worked out last year, they would have probably made the playoffs with him.

people make a living from this stuff and his old career may be over.

But after visiting a couple of times I finally feel compelled to chime in.

The bottomline with Kaepernick is this: he's not a starting quality QB. The Niners were going to move on from him even before his refusal to stand for the anthem. And it's not because they had a young phenom waiting in the wings.

He had early success but then the league figured him out. Cosell talked about his unwillingness to throw to a receiver unless they were already open. It was in comparison to Eli, who trusted in his own ability and the ability of his receivers to be open when the ball reached them even if they weren't open when Eli let go of the ball.

Had it not been for the controversy, there may have been a couple or three teams willing to give him the kind of one-year deal the Giants gave Geno Smith, but why do that for a QB who brings more baggage than potential to a 53 man roster? If there was a team out there who truly felt he was a QB they could build their team around, the controversy wouldn't've stopped them from offering him a deal.

In comment 13504497 Milton said:

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But after visiting a couple of times I finally feel compelled to chime in. The bottomline with Kaepernick is this: he's not a starting quality QB. The Niners were going to move on from him even before his refusal to stand for the anthem. And it's not because they had a young phenom waiting in the wings. He had early success but then the league figured him out. Cosell talked about his unwillingness to throw to a receiver unless they were already open. It was in comparison to Eli, who trusted in his own ability and the ability of his receivers to be open when the ball reached them even if they weren't open when Eli let go of the ball. Had it not been for the controversy, there may have been a couple or three teams willing to give him the kind of one-year deal the Giants gave Geno Smith, but why do that for a QB who brings more baggage than potential to a 53 man roster? If there was a team out there who truly felt he was a QB they could build their team around, the controversy wouldn't've stopped them from offering him a deal.

Agreed 100%.

He's just not that good to play in the league. If Michael Vick gets a second chance anybody can.

A) Even with lack of talent, he just QB'd a team that won 2 games. How on Earth did Gabbert begin the season as starter?
B) CK's game really went downhill after Harbaugh's departure.
C) Timing is awful, the teams with crappy QB's are seemingly all in on a draft class that is supposed to be one of the most talent rich QB classes in ages.
D) I don't think we know what CK's salary demands actually are.

Personally, I would have taken all the money I could get from the NFL and then in my late 30's (expecting another 40 years to live - plenty of time for activism) got political. But, I understand some people can't keep their mouth shut.

I never cared for Colin he seemed pretty arrogant when they
demoted Smith . I think we can all agree there are a good
amount of bad cops from all races . There are many more good
cops who get the same disrespect from citizens because of
the uniform . There is so much corruption in every walk of life because of the almighty dollar .
I just don't agree that your work place should be your
platform because it will always bring you consequences .
Sadly I doubt that things are gonna change and will probably get worse . The country is clearly divided with too many indoctrinated idiots and Political idiots that are encouraging violence . Hopefully someone wakes up and see's whats really going on because the hour is getting late .

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Seriously

That is not a bad idea ... I think his game could be tailored made for the CFL. That read/option athletic QB style.