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nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 9:37 am
Knicks to workout and interview donovan mitchell today and tomorrow..

lakers are reportedly looking to acquire a 2nd lottery pick, my guess to send to the pacers for george...

pacers called the cavs on a trade for george not the other way around..

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RE: What does this even mean?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13505014 bceagle05 said:
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Jeff Zillgitt

@JeffZillgitt

One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.



Does this help their job security to trade the first young stud we've had in 30 years?


it sounds like try to make the playoffs, i have been a defender of phil but if he trades kp for a bunch of old vets i am done...

if he gets a shit ton of lotto picks that is one thing
NY Giants  
Earl the goat : 6/20/2017 1:33 pm : link
Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018
Or, KP is hoping to create enough chaos  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:33 pm : link
for Dolan to step in and fire Phil, and Phil knows it. Trade KP first, problem solved. I believe that's Stephen A's cynical take on it.
RE: NY Giants  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13505025 Earl the goat said:
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Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018


no need more
RE: NY Giants  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13505025 Earl the goat said:
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Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018


No. Dumping Lance Thomas contract does nothing for the Knicks. He has 3 years 20 million left. What are they doing with that cap room minus KP and Melo? That's close to zero added value to the trade.
RE: Or, KP is hoping to create enough chaos  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13505026 bceagle05 said:
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for Dolan to step in and fire Phil, and Phil knows it. Trade KP first, problem solved. I believe that's Stephen A's cynical take on it.


my take, teams are leaking this to get even more chaos in new york that kp demands a trade...
Doug Gottlieb:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."
Why is Porzingis  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him
Honestly, how the hell does a schmuck like Gottlieb  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 1:36 pm : link
have any idea what Phil thinks?

So much of this is just Twitter-fueled bullshit.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:36 pm : link
RE: Why is Porzingis  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13505032 MookGiants said:
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untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him


Yep same here, I just have no faith in Phil getting what he needs to get.
RE: Doug Gottlieb:  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13505031 Anakim said:
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"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."


That feels so beyond unlikely i don't know where to start.
if boston calls offers  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
smart, crowder brown number 3, bkn next year, 2018 lakers pick, 2019 pick for melo and kp

i would think long and hard about it..

you then have 2 lotto picks this year, 3 lotto picks next year, and then 2 firat the following year...

you could rebuild rather quickly BUT seeing kp in boston would hurt a little bit
RE: Why is Porzingis  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13505032 MookGiants said:
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untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him


It's not that he's untouchable. It's that a lot of these people HATE Phil Jackson with every fiber of their being. The original story says Phil hasn't called anyone, but he's willing to listen if the offer is big enough. The people who HATE Phil didn't read that part of the story.
Reality setting in....  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
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Chris Mannix

@ChrisMannixYS

Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.
It  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
would be so perfectly Knicks to somehow land the top pick for KP and then take Tatum lol
Without ever having seen them play and just relying on word of mouth,  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
I do find it intriguing to be able to get two of Doncic, Ayton, Porter Jr. and Bamba next year.
I could give a shit  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
about seeing KP in Boston.

Why are people so attached to him? Seriously, what have I missed here?

I like his potential, like him as a player, but some of you are seriously acting like he's 1 level below LeBron. He's not.

If the celtics want him, then they better come up with a huge package, and I'm sure the knicks are taking that attitude as well.

Dan saying if the knicks trade him he hopes he goes for 45 and 12 is just absurd. What has he done for the Knicks that people are so attached to him like that?
I would only do the KP  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 1:42 pm : link
trade if we got Deej's offer from Boston earlier in the thread.
RE: RE: Doug Gottlieb:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13505040 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13505031 Anakim said:


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"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."



That feels so beyond unlikely i don't know where to start.


It's weird. Since the beginning of draft season, we've also heard that Phil would take Josh Jackson over both Fultz and Ball...and then we heard that Phil really loves Fultz as well.



So in other words, Phil loves everyone but Ball
Mook  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
you go and enjoy Tatum, Jaylen Brown and a future pick and I'll enjoy the rare talent that seemingly has a feeding frenzy from other teams trying to acquire. Phil Jackson gets 0.0 benefit of the doubt. None.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
like Josh Jackson but is there a single person on here who swaps KP for Josh Jackson and the Lakers pick? I mean how much more are you expecting? The whole point is you aren't going to get "Lebron prices" and yet Porzingis would almost certainly be the first pick in this draft. Phil Jackson is 71 years old, he's making a deal that he doesn't even "profit" from? He'll swap KP, deal Melo and add Redick, Rivers and sign PJ Tucker. Book it.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13505054 DanMetroMan said:
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you go and enjoy Tatum, Jaylen Brown and a future pick and I'll enjoy the rare talent that seemingly has a feeding frenzy from other teams trying to acquire. Phil Jackson gets 0.0 benefit of the doubt. None.


You've already decided who they would pick, what they would get, and are saying just absolutely ridiculous things like you already hope he goes for 45 and 12 if he comes back here.

Settle down. He's not getting traded for a junk package like you're expecting. The way you're acting, you would think it's a lock they're going to trade him at all costs.
RE: I  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13505059 DanMetroMan said:
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like Josh Jackson but is there a single person on here who swaps KP for Josh Jackson and the Lakers pick? I mean how much more are you expecting? The whole point is you aren't going to get "Lebron prices" and yet Porzingis would almost certainly be the first pick in this draft. Phil Jackson is 71 years old, he's making a deal that he doesn't even "profit" from? He'll swap KP, deal Melo and add Redick, Rivers and sign PJ Tucker. Book it.


Would not be surprised if this happened. At all.
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:47 pm : link
Bucher says the Pacers called the Warriors about PG13. On it's face it's "oh c'mon" but since they would have to include Green or Klay it's not exactly a great move.
What's the latest on Ball & the Lakers?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2017 1:47 pm : link
I'd love for Lonzo to slip, only to see LaVar blow up.
Hypothetically  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:48 pm : link
would you do Klay or Green for PG13? I don't think I would.
RE: I could give a shit  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13505049 MookGiants said:
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about seeing KP in Boston.

Why are people so attached to him? Seriously, what have I missed here?

I like his potential, like him as a player, but some of you are seriously acting like he's 1 level below LeBron. He's not.

If the celtics want him, then they better come up with a huge package, and I'm sure the knicks are taking that attitude as well.

Dan saying if the knicks trade him he hopes he goes for 45 and 12 is just absurd. What has he done for the Knicks that people are so attached to him like that?



Cowherd echoed these sentiments exactly
Would people really turn this down + a player for Porzingis?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:50 pm : link
3rd pick 2017
Nets pick 2018
Lakers 2018 pick (only if 2 through 5) or Philly/Sacramento (non-top overall pick) in 2019
Celtics 2019
Memphis 2019 (non-top 8 pick)
Clippers 2019 (non-top 14 pick)
Celtics 2021

I'm talking a Hershel Walker-type return.
Cowherd, not that he's some sports guru:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:52 pm : link
He would do Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown and a first rounder next year for KP because you would get three starters, plus Markanen, who Cowherd thinks is basically like 75%/80% Porzingis.
the media is sitting back laughing right now  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:53 pm : link
watching knicks fans freak out, now mannix and lowe are basically saying the kni ks are not looking to trade kp and that the aaking price just to talk is insane...

basically this is nothing but we are going to put it out there that the knicks are trading kp and ph look perfrct timing the knicks worked out markannen
RE: Would people really turn this down + a player for Porzingis?  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13505069 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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3rd pick 2017
Nets pick 2018
Lakers 2018 pick (only if 2 through 5) or Philly/Sacramento (non-top overall pick) in 2019
Celtics 2019
Memphis 2019 (non-top 8 pick)
Clippers 2019 (non-top 14 pick)
Celtics 2021

I'm talking a Hershel Walker-type return.


You accept that instantly.
RE: Cowherd, not that he's some sports guru:  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13505073 Anakim said:
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He would do Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown and a first rounder next year for KP because you would get three starters, plus Markanen, who Cowherd thinks is basically like 75%/80% Porzingis.


That's a GIGANTIC hell to the NO.
Dan is great  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:57 pm : link
but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 1:59 pm : link
It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


Haha, I forgot what we did before Twitter. Sit around watching ESPNEWS waiting for Breaking News? Haha
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


the problem is not twitter, it is that every writer apins it to help their agenda, rather than just reporting facts, they writw it in a way they know they are going to get a ton of clicks
RE: Dan is great  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.

he's been awful as an executive. Anyone that has confidence in his ability to build a roster at this point is delusional or just not paying attention.
RE: Dan is great  
Heisenberg : 6/20/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 2:09 pm : link
Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13505092 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:


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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.



the problem is not twitter, it is that every writer apins it to help their agenda, rather than just reporting facts, they writw it in a way they know they are going to get a ton of clicks


Well, Twitter is the mechanism they use to spread mis-information faster than ever before so it sort of is the problem.

It has its uses and benefits, it's just funny how quickly a story can spiral out of control based on barely any factual information whatsoever.
RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13505102 Anakim said:
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Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks


Hopefully he's just throwing the kitchen sink out there.

We dont need cap room. We're rebuilding. It would be dumb to waste any assets on making cap space.
RE: Dan is great  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.


I do not trust Phil Jackson.

1. Obsessed with Rambis being here despite it being clear the players don't like him, no evidence he is good at his job. Hornacek asks for a defensive specialist, they try and hire Longabardi (Hornaceks guy), they are unable to... and decide they don't need one.. only to in-season decide Kurt Rambis is the best choice.

2. Yet to see any indication he is willing to actually rebuild. Not his "fault" but so far we have heard interest in PJ Tucker, JJ Redick etc OLD players that will be expensive aka "no rebuild"

3. Doesn't seem to know what he wants to do. Triangle (weird feud with Derek Fisher over it), then modified triangle with a non-triangle coach, now "all-in" triangle

4. Feuds with Melo and KP

5. Trashes the style of play of the most successful teams in the NBA (suggesting he's over the hill)

6. Inarguably one of the greatest coaches in the history of professional sports BUT zero resume for building a roster

7. Noah's contract....

8. Reportedly takes Grant against the wishes of his scouts and then gives up on him after 1 season (I never cared for Grant and I'm not suggesting he's anything special but it does suggest his "plan" is all over the place)

9. Doesn't suspend Derrick Rose (Circus)

10. Reportedly has a deal for Rubio but insists on more for Rose (Admittedly depends on who you believe)

11. Has a personal mouthpiece who "speaks for him"

12. His rings were supposed to be a gamechanger, couldn't even secure a meeting with Durant and told LMA he wanted him to play out of position at C.

Bottom line, I don't trust him and he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me like Pat Riley etc would
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


Twitter is at it's worst when it comes to injuries. A dude could down in training camp & people freak out, though we have no idea if it's major or not. Fifteen years we wouldn't even have known unless it was something big.
it's fine not to trust Jackson  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 2:13 pm : link
but please point to one thing that would lead you to believe he will trade KP for anything but a kings ransom. Nothing in there should make you believe that.
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13505102 Anakim said:
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Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks


no offense anak but this guy is a moron
RE: it's fine not to trust Jackson  
Deej : 6/20/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13505118 MookGiants said:
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but please point to one thing that would lead you to believe he will trade KP for anything but a kings ransom. Nothing in there should make you believe that.


I think Dan's point is that he's been generally incompetent, so he is unreliable. Plus he may view KP as undermining him right now (speculation).
This would be incredible TV  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 3:21 pm : link
I always thought that was the loser's job  
Deej : 6/20/2017 3:38 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 3:57 pm : link
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