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nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 9:37 am
Knicks to workout and interview donovan mitchell today and tomorrow..

lakers are reportedly looking to acquire a 2nd lottery pick, my guess to send to the pacers for george...

pacers called the cavs on a trade for george not the other way around..

The Lakers need to trade for Paul.  
superspynyg : 6/19/2017 9:41 am : link
If they take that punk Ball and his shit bag father I will be pissed.

I would trade the #2 overall, Randall and a future pick for Paul.
Lakers need to just risk it and wait for 2018.  
GiantFilthy : 6/19/2017 9:43 am : link
Screw trading the young future for someone who might be coming to you for free anyways.
The Pacers calling the Cavs  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 9:51 am : link
sounds like a ploy to get the Lakers to move real assets for George so they don't risk the Cavs getting him and Lebron convincing him to stay. What would Indiana want with Love? Has to be a third team involved for that to work.

I also don't really get the George LA thing. How is George, Ball and a bunch of unproven young guys that haven't flashed very much potential at all going to compete in the west? They're a 7-8 seed at best, maybe 5-6 if Ball turns into a star. There are a lot of other teams that would give him a better shot at winning if that's what he wants.
I also wouldn't be surprised  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 9:53 am : link
if the Knicks fell in love with Mitchell. He's supposed to be a great kid with leadership qualities, brings more on offense than Frank and more on defense than Monk or Smith. Just seems like the kind of player Phil is looking for.
Strahan91,  
GiantFilthy : 6/19/2017 9:57 am : link
I believe it is about fulfilling a dream of his to play for the Lakers more than anything. Possibly also the challenge of being the man to bring the team back from the basement.
Pacers probably called...  
Italianju : 6/19/2017 9:58 am : link
and asked for irving for George if i had to guess.

As for LA they would probably combine the George move with another move. Whether its another FA signing or trading assets for another star type. None of their kids look like stars, but with Russell, Randle, Ingram, Ball, clarkson, nance, zubac they could get in the convo for some good players.

Im not saying it will work, but i can see the appeal for George when you combine the assets on the team with LA.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 9:59 am : link
don't understand how one could advocate for Frenchy but not be high on Mitchell. If anything if you are being realistic Frenchy's ceiling is likely only moderately higher than Mitchell's (better chance at being an above average 3 point weapon) but his floor is also significantly lower (run/jump athlete, less mature body etc).
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13503642 DanMetroMan said:
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don't understand how one could advocate for Frenchy but not be high on Mitchell. If anything if you are being realistic Frenchy's ceiling is likely only moderately higher than Mitchell's (better chance at being an above average 3 point weapon) but his floor is also significantly lower (run/jump athlete, less mature body etc).


i like both, but i like monk and smith better...

if monk and smith are gpne and they take mitchell or frank i am good with it...

now if they take kennard or jackson i am on the go fuck yourself phil bandwagon
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:05 am : link
would take Smith and Monk over both pretty easily. As I've noted I have 8 guys I "want most" and then a next tier where I like the prospects a decent amount less for various reasons.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:06 am : link
actually like Kennard but Kennard or Jackson would have me close to giving up on the Knicks unless/until they were sold. They would be LOLKNICKS picks at 8 (though Kennard has some real helium right now).
RE: Lakers need to just risk it and wait for 2018.  
Section331 : 6/19/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13503624 GiantFilthy said:
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Screw trading the young future for someone who might be coming to you for free anyways.


Exactly. Don't make the same mistake the Knicks made - trading half their team for Melo when he was coming to NY anyway. Indy is in a bind because everyone knows PG wants to go to LA. Maybe the Cavs make the move and hope to convince him and LeBron to stay, but no one else is giving up assets for one year of George.
for the NYK, I'd rank the top 10  
Pep22 : 6/19/2017 10:14 am : link
as:

1 Fullz
2 Ball
3 Fox
4 Jackson
5 Tatum
6 Isaac
7 Monk
8 Mitchell
9 Ntilikina
10 DSJ

Obviously, the top few aren't happening.

Others: I'd be disappointed with Kennard, irate if Justin Jackson or any body else.

Kennard's best case scenario is Kyle Korver  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 10:17 am : link
And he'll be lucky to be that. Just an awful pick at 8.
if knicks get another pick  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 10:23 am : link
i am good with kennard or jackson, not ar 8 though..

kennard has supposedly killed hos workouts though
I agree not at 8  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 10:28 am : link
But I think Kennard is more skilled than Korver (or even Reddick for that matter). I think he's closer to D-Lo than either of those 2. Late lottery/late first seems about right for him.
100%  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:33 am : link
not advocating for Kennard at 8 but I think Kennard is a going to be a better overall offensive player than Korver. He plays the angles well (like many lefties do), he's shifty. He apparently put a whooping on Ferguson (supposedly a big time athlete) and a second unnamed "lock 1st" he worked out with. If we had another pick I wouldn't mind him at all. At 8? Yuckarooni.
RE: Lakers need to just risk it and wait for 2018.  
Rflairr : 6/19/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13503624 GiantFilthy said:
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Screw trading the young future for someone who might be coming to you for free anyways.


I just don't trust that he won't sign with the team that will hold his bird rights. The 28th pick, Clarkson, and Deng for George. Although I'm sure they,won't trade him to LA unless they get either Ingram or the number 2 pick
Celtics  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:42 am : link
and OKC both expected to offer Griffin max deals. LAC can offer him 5 for 175, the other teams 4 for 130
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:44 am : link
Griffin bolts we may really have no other choice than to either keep Melo or buy him out.
Four year deal for Griffin  
Ash_3 : 6/19/2017 10:44 am : link
might just be the right amount of time to be saddled only with 1 year of serious decline.
RE: 100%  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13503677 DanMetroMan said:
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not advocating for Kennard at 8 but I think Kennard is a going to be a better overall offensive player than Korver. He plays the angles well (like many lefties do), he's shifty. He apparently put a whooping on Ferguson (supposedly a big time athlete) and a second unnamed "lock 1st" he worked out with. If we had another pick I wouldn't mind him at all. At 8? Yuckarooni.


I'm with you here. Kennard is better at creating his own shot than Korver or JJ Redick for that matter were/are at his age. He reminds me more of Gordon Hayward but at the 2 guard. He's not nearly as athletic but is more so than the prototypical white guy 3 point specialist he gets compared to often. Taking Monk at 8 and trading for a second first rounder to get Kennard would've been my dream scenario but with the way Kennard is climbing up boards, that's a pipe dream.

To your other point on Frank vs Mitchell, the floor is clearly much lower for Frank but having watched him play a few full games, you can see the ceiling is there. Part of the reason he doesn't have a quick first step can be attributed to his lower body strength. His legs are like toothpicks today so if he builds some muscle down there, I could see the narrative on his athleticism and first step changing. Will he get there? Who knows, but it certainly will take time. Personally I'd take Mitchell over Frank though.

Anyone else think all the Frank love is a bit too calculated for Phil's Knicks? Since Phil came here, they've kept everything very close to the vest. Nobody mentioned any interest in KP until DraftExpress the day of the draft but before that we heard repeatedly that they liked Winslow, WCS, some said Mudiay, then Lyles and Kaminsky (and one reporter even said that they loved Hezonja and had video conferenced with him the night before the draft). The Frank noise has been loud since April. That's old Jerry Reese behavior, not Phil Jackson. The tweet below was just a few hours before they took KP.

Chris Broussard‏Verified account
@Chris_Broussard
Sources: Knicks currently leaning toward Mudiay if they stay at No. 4, Kaminsky if they move down
Jonathan Wasserman's prospects "by skill"  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:49 am : link
(just the guys the Knicks could land

3. Scorer- Monk, #4 DSJ, #5 Mitchell (Tatum was #2 but I suspect he's a pipedream)

Shooting

Kennard #1, Monk 3, Justin Jackson 4

Passing DSJ is 4, Monk 5

Ball handling

DSJ is 3, Fox 4

Defense
Frenchy is #1, Isaac #2
Kennard  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:52 am : link
said he studied Manu tapes during the last off-season and while he's not Manu (a future HOFer) he has some of the quirky/awkward moves that really seem to work for him. I agree at least in terms of game speed is a better athlete than he's given credit for. I think he may have major problems defensively however. Doesn't have especially quick feet and has short arms/wingspan
Chad  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 10:54 am : link
Ford says the buzz is the Lakers are locking on to Lonzo at 2.
eh  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 10:57 am : link
He might be a better athlete than he's given credit for, but he's still a below-average athlete for the NBA, easily.

For example, much as I can't stand Trippy Allen, if you watch a lot of Duke games the gulf in athleticism between him and Kennard is pretty stark.
I'd only want Kennard  
Pep22 : 6/19/2017 11:02 am : link
(at 8 or otherwise) if paired with a more athletic lead guard.
Ford  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:05 am : link
says the Suns board

1. Lonzo
2. Jackson

followed by Tatum/Fox/Isaac in some order
RE: Ford  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13503727 DanMetroMan said:
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says the Suns board

1. Lonzo
2. Jackson

followed by Tatum/Fox/Isaac in some order


No Fultz?
RE: eh  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13503711 Greg from LI said:
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He might be a better athlete than he's given credit for, but he's still a below-average athlete for the NBA, easily.

For example, much as I can't stand Trippy Allen, if you watch a lot of Duke games the gulf in athleticism between him and Kennard is pretty stark.


Allen is pretty explosive in general, just not skilled.
He  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:10 am : link
has Fultz off the board already (for obvious reasons). He said the Suns are trying to move up to 2 thus the list.
Man  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:11 am : link
Griffin to Boston really would be terrible for us.
RE: Man  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13503737 DanMetroMan said:
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Griffin to Boston really would be terrible for us.


Bostons not gonna trade for Melo anyways.
RE: Man  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13503737 DanMetroMan said:
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Griffin to Boston really would be terrible for us.


Especially if they use all those assets to trade for another big name.
Yeah I'm getting that sick feeling  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 11:14 am : link
like we have another year of Melodrama. If the Clips are off the board, and the Cavs aren't interested, where are we turning. Washington could still work I guess, if he's receptive.
RE: RE: Man  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13503739 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13503737 DanMetroMan said:


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Griffin to Boston really would be terrible for us.



Bostons not gonna trade for Melo anyways.


The Clips probably won't either, which I think was his point.
RE: RE: Man  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13503739 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13503737 DanMetroMan said:


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Griffin to Boston really would be terrible for us.



Bostons not gonna trade for Melo anyways.


Boston reportedly is considering offering him a max deal (Griffin).
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:25 am : link
Griffin lands in Boston, then Paul likely is bolting for Denver/SA/Houston which would close the door on both Boston and LAC.
RE: Yeah I'm getting that sick feeling  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13503741 bceagle05 said:
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like we have another year of Melodrama. If the Clips are off the board, and the Cavs aren't interested, where are we turning. Washington could still work I guess, if he's receptive.


At this point, I wish we could ditch Phil instead of Melo.
Melo  
MookGiants : 6/19/2017 11:34 am : link
has to be off the team at all costs. If it's a buyout thats fine too.

Keeping him doesn't make sense under any circumstance. The knicks need to completely move on
RE: Yeah I'm getting that sick feeling  
Section331 : 6/19/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13503741 bceagle05 said:
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like we have another year of Melodrama. If the Clips are off the board, and the Cavs aren't interested, where are we turning. Washington could still work I guess, if he's receptive.


I think the Wizards would be a great fit, but it would take some creative accounting to get him under the Wiz's cap. What contracts would NYK be willing to take back? Mahinmi? Yuck.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:39 am : link
like the Wizards "implied" to Gortat that he's the big they are going to move and not Mahinmi
Wally Szczerbiak was extremely defensive of Phil  
Anakim : 6/19/2017 11:40 am : link
He said Phil has done his job
Per post elsewhere,  
GiantFilthy : 6/19/2017 11:42 am : link
not sure of the source.

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Pacers are asking for Clarkson,nance,zubac


No.
RE: Sounds  
Section331 : 6/19/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13503770 DanMetroMan said:
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like the Wizards "implied" to Gortat that he's the big they are going to move and not Mahinmi


Not surprising, given that Gortat has some value. No one will touch Mahinmi with that contract.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:45 am : link
always liked Gortat. Crazy the Magic had both him AND Howard.
RE: Melo  
Deej : 6/19/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13503766 MookGiants said:
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has to be off the team at all costs. If it's a buyout thats fine too.

Keeping him doesn't make sense under any circumstance. The knicks need to completely move on


I dont agree, so Im curious as to why you think this. I think if Melo comes back and is told "you do X and Y and Z or you dont play" then he'll do it. Or he wont play. I still think that physically KP isnt ready to be the #1 option. I think there is fair room for debate whether you just throw the babe to the wolves or you shelter him. I dont think there is a clearly right answer.

Fundamentally, I think Melo is a good guy/teammate. I think he's an inconsistent and unwilling defender, and needs to move the ball more. But for the first time in his career you can fairly say "play my way or dont play at all". I'd rather trade him for assets but it's not an imperative. And if we keep him I believe he will either shape up or opt out after the season.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 11:52 am : link
beyond stunned how many Knicks fans on twitter and reddit are open to Rose coming back. NO NO NO.
Griffin to BOS  
Deej : 6/19/2017 12:06 pm : link
Meh. Im firmly in the camp that Blake is too much of a risk for anyone but LAC, which has no choice. He's injury prone and his style (relying on a massive athletic edge) is a huge red flag.
RE: I'm  
Deej : 6/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13503787 DanMetroMan said:
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beyond stunned how many Knicks fans on twitter and reddit are open to Rose coming back. NO NO NO.


I dont think you're really stunned. I think you're just horrified.
Funny thing about the Clips situation  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 12:13 pm : link
is Griffin and Paul basically locked DeAndre Jordan in his house to prevent him from signing with Dallas, and now those two may bolt and leave him there holding the bag. I'm sure Doc has his exit strategy planned, too.
RE: I'm  
Mike in NJ : 6/19/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13503787 DanMetroMan said:
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beyond stunned how many Knicks fans on twitter and reddit are open to Rose coming back. NO NO NO.


If Rose is back then this will be the first year that I do not watch the Knicks. I usually watch every game and go to a couple a year but that will push me to taking a year off.
RE: RE: Melo  
BigBlueShock : 6/19/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13503784 Deej said:
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has to be off the team at all costs. If it's a buyout thats fine too.

Keeping him doesn't make sense under any circumstance. The knicks need to completely move on



I dont agree, so Im curious as to why you think this. I think if Melo comes back and is told "you do X and Y and Z or you dont play" then he'll do it. Or he wont play. I still think that physically KP isnt ready to be the #1 option. I think there is fair room for debate whether you just throw the babe to the wolves or you shelter him. I dont think there is a clearly right answer.

Fundamentally, I think Melo is a good guy/teammate. I think he's an inconsistent and unwilling defender, and needs to move the ball more. But for the first time in his career you can fairly say "play my way or dont play at all". I'd rather trade him for assets but it's not an imperative. And if we keep him I believe he will either shape up or opt out after the season.

Not speaking for Mook here, but from my angle is that keeping Melo around does absolutely nothing to help this team long term. It would creat a circus all season and stunt the growth of young players that would benefit from the playing time. And Melo would probably also mean that this team wins a few more games than they would without him. They would still not make the playoffs and would cost themselves draft position, and for what?

Nope I will always watch  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2017 12:24 pm : link
And suffer. I can see this site blowing up when we draft Frenchie with a lot of home grown talent still on the board.
** no idea if true**  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 12:30 pm : link
but rumor has it the Wolves will take Isaac with their pick if he's still on the board.
RE: ** no idea if true**  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13503831 DanMetroMan said:
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but rumor has it the Wolves will take Isaac with their pick if he's still on the board.


Dan, any other Knicks rumblings you've heard recently?
RE: ** no idea if true**  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13503831 DanMetroMan said:
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but rumor has it the Wolves will take Isaac with their pick if he's still on the board.


i wonder who they take if isaac is gone..rumors are the suns want to take him at 4 but i am sure they would take jackson over him if jackson drops..

either way that is good news for Knicks
RE: RE: ** no idea if true**  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13503834 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 13503831 DanMetroMan said:


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but rumor has it the Wolves will take Isaac with their pick if he's still on the board.



Dan, any other Knicks rumblings you've heard recently?


I haven't really reached out to the guy I know in a few days. I try not to bother him too much but last we spoke he basically had the same info we are hearing. That Phil likes Monk and Frenchy a whole lot, he said Gaines is very high on DSJ (he didn't say if that meant Phil wasn't etc) and that the Knicks were still snooping around for an additional first but that the prices for extra picks were "extreme" and doubted it would happen. He said the Knicks worked out an "unusual" amount of 2nd rounders (more than past years, which may be due to 2 picks, or (he suggested) guys they may be looking to invite to camp and/or add an additional 2nd (he said the prices for 2nds are also very, very high right now).
There  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 12:37 pm : link
are also rumors (likely related) that Thibs is "Isaac or bust" and might look to deal the pick in a deal for a "veteran" if he's not there.... no not Courtney Lee lol
Thanks.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 12:40 pm : link
Glad to hear its Gaines who's very high on Smith - that's a nice endorsement, and a guy Phil may defer to.
Smith  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 12:44 pm : link
doesn't really get enough credit for being a pretty smart kid. He studies film heavily, he impressed teams with how prepared he was with numbers and comments regarding how their offense is run etc. I say that because he's lumped in with guys like Rose (I have no idea if Rose is a student of the game) but he doesn't exactly come off as one. Smith supposedly was one of the guys who has been "most impressive" in his meetings/workouts.
RE: ** no idea if true**  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13503831 DanMetroMan said:
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but rumor has it the Wolves will take Isaac with their pick if he's still on the board.


Makes a lot of sense. If Isaac is gone which looks likely at the moment, I think Minnesota would take Monk or DSJ, not Markannen as Ford and others have in their mocks. They were dead last in a bunch of outside shooting metrics and I believe dead last or close to dead last in bench scoring. Dunn was terrible and given that he wasn't a euro or came out after 1 year, it's hard to think they have much confidence in his ability to improve fast enough for them to contend for a playoff spot especially if Rubio is dealt.
Clippers  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 12:50 pm : link
are interested in George, how the hell they would get him I don't know?
RE: Wally Szczerbiak was extremely defensive of Phil  
Enzo : 6/19/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13503771 Anakim said:
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He said Phil has done his job

Wally wants to keep his cushy job at MSG.
Yeah, Wally's in line to take over for Clyde someday soon.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 1:04 pm : link
He behaves accordingly.
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 1:07 pm : link
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Frank Ntilikina's coach at Strasbourg, Vincent Collet, will coach with the Mavs Orlando Summer League team - Dallas all in on Ntilikina
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Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13503878 DanMetroMan said:
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I wonder what this means. If they weren't going to get him it would be a bizarre move and it's not like Frank can choose where he plays. Maybe they have a deal worked out with Minnesota to jump us?
RE: Sounds  
Enzo : 6/19/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13503770 DanMetroMan said:
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like the Wizards "implied" to Gortat that he's the big they are going to move and not Mahinmi

random 3-way deal off the top of my head:
Knicks get: Oubre, Teletovic, Markieff Morris + somebody's protected first rounder
Bucks get: Gortat
Wizards get: Melo

RE: /  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13503878 DanMetroMan said:
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wonder if they have a deal in place perhaps with minny to move up..

minny only does it if isaac is gone..

take fwiw a guy on realgm claims to have a source with the kings says they want smith who killed their workout, if that is true does fox drop?
yet another reason  
Enzo : 6/19/2017 1:32 pm : link
why Chad Ford is awful:
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Chad Ford‏Verified account @chadfordinsider
Knicks have strong interest in Ntilikina too. Mavs have done a better job recruiting and building relationships. He wants to be in Dallas

since when do you have to "recruit" a draft pick? What the fuck?
RE: yet another reason  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13503909 Enzo said:
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why Chad Ford is awful:


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Chad Ford‏Verified account @chadfordinsider
Knicks have strong interest in Ntilikina too. Mavs have done a better job recruiting and building relationships. He wants to be in Dallas


since when do you have to "recruit" a draft pick? What the fuck?


Very bizarre unless there's a possibility he sticks around in Europe for a year or two like Rubio did but I haven't heard that mentioned once.
RE: yet another reason  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13503909 Enzo said:
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why Chad Ford is awful:


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Chad Ford‏Verified account @chadfordinsider
Knicks have strong interest in Ntilikina too. Mavs have done a better job recruiting and building relationships. He wants to be in Dallas


since when do you have to "recruit" a draft pick? What the fuck?


That is rather stupid.
RE: yet another reason  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13503909 Enzo said:
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why Chad Ford is awful:


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Chad Ford‏Verified account @chadfordinsider
Knicks have strong interest in Ntilikina too. Mavs have done a better job recruiting and building relationships. He wants to be in Dallas


since when do you have to "recruit" a draft pick? What the fuck?


Probably mean the Mavs had people over there often. Didn't the Knicks have their international scouts hang around KP before the draft?
it's just Chad  
Enzo : 6/19/2017 1:47 pm : link
parroting whatever Dallas (or his current coach) is leaking to him without applying a common sense filter.
Easier for Dallas at 9  
Deej : 6/19/2017 1:48 pm : link
than NY at 8 to seemingly commit to Frank. Much like it's easier for us to commit to Monk than it is for a team at 4/5.

Also worth noting: Best Dallas pick by far in a decade is Crowder. They havent drafted this high in a while, and often trade their #1, but they've squeeze very, very little out of the draft over the last decade (see link, sort for Mavs).
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Iggy  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2017 1:50 pm : link
Igoudola will meet with other teams outside GSW. Expected to get 20mill a year. Jazz, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls and Hawks interested. Lowe said to watch out for Minny but expects him to stay in GS.

I think Thibs offers him big money. 4 years between 90-100 mill. Would the Warriors really match that ?
RE: Iggy  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13503936 TyreeHelmet said:
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Igoudola will meet with other teams outside GSW. Expected to get 20mill a year. Jazz, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls and Hawks interested. Lowe said to watch out for Minny but expects him to stay in GS.

I think Thibs offers him big money. 4 years between 90-100 mill. Would the Warriors really match that ?


That would could be worse than the contracts given out last offseason. Jesus what a mistake
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 2:02 pm : link
working out Josh Hart
RE: Knicks  
Ash_3 : 6/19/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13503956 DanMetroMan said:
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working out Josh Hart


I really like Hart in the second round. He's going to be a good rotation player for somebody.
Bilas  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 2:34 pm : link
has Tatum #1 on his board
Duke Grad  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
Enough said.
NO WAY  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 2:42 pm : link
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 2:56 pm : link
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Canyon Barry works out for the Warriors on Tuesday. He previously worked out for the Knicks, Spurs, Kings, Nuggets.
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Hearing that Ntilikina is passing Monk on many draft boards. Mavs likely to grab him at 9 if the Knicks don't take him first...
ira winderman on francesa  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 3:13 pm : link
says heat interested in melo, could dangle tyler johnson, winslow and 14..

where do i sign?
SAS  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 3:13 pm : link
claims George would go to LAC... uh what the hell kind of package could they offer?
RE: SAS  
Deej : 6/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13504036 DanMetroMan said:
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claims George would go to LAC... uh what the hell kind of package could they offer?


"Austin Rivers and, wait dont hang up... fuck."
RE: SAS  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13504036 DanMetroMan said:
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claims George would go to LAC... uh what the hell kind of package could they offer?


maybe sign and trade with griffin?
RE: ira winderman on francesa  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13504035 nygiants16 said:
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says heat interested in melo, could dangle tyler johnson, winslow and 14..

where do i sign?


lol @ winslow. That guy's shot reminds me of Chris Duhon.
says heat interested in melo  
Pep22 : 6/19/2017 3:22 pm : link
could dangle tyler johnson, winslow and 14..

I don't see how we could get all that given the NTC, given the slim amount of teams interested in him and that he'd be interested in.

If we got one those young assets, I'd be psyched.
I was listening to Winderman...  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 3:23 pm : link
He didn't really say the Heat were interested, he just said the Knicks should call them if the Heat don't land Paul George or Jimmy Butler.

He also mentioned the thing about Frenchy's coach overseas being brought on board by the Mavs for Summer League, so maybe they know something we don't about him dropping past NY (or the Mavs moving up).
RE: RE: ira winderman on francesa  
Ash_3 : 6/19/2017 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13504045 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13504035 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


says heat interested in melo, could dangle tyler johnson, winslow and 14..

where do i sign?



lol @ winslow. That guy's shot reminds me of Chris Duhon.


A jumpshot that evokes a drunken stupor?
Strasbourg  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 3:26 pm : link
up 12 at the half. Frenchy 0-1 from the field, 1 assist, 2 rebounds in 9 minutes
RE: ira winderman on francesa  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13504035 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
says heat interested in melo, could dangle tyler johnson, winslow and 14.


Make the Heat keep Winslow and you've got yourselves a deal!
I'd take tyler johnson  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 3:32 pm : link
straight up for Melo. Big time fan.
I guess that's an anti Duke  
Pep22 : 6/19/2017 3:32 pm : link
thing. He looks like a very good role player prospect to me.
I feel like that's probably as good a return as any you're going to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2017 3:33 pm : link
get for him. A bottom-third first round pick likely doesn't get you better than Bumpy Johnson.
That would be an A+++ trade at this point....  
Italianju : 6/19/2017 3:39 pm : link
considering where we think Melo's value is. Johnson at worst looks like a great 6th man who could possibly be more. I could care less about winslow, but considering he would be a throw in to me ill take it. I mean johnson and 14 would be great. Adding Johnson and 8 and 14 would have me fairly excited for a young core.
Playing in a shit league  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
And not dominating has me concerned. Hell not even playing much (yes I know vets get priority over there). I'm looking for a big time impact player (maybe All Star here). Frank isn't that type of guy. Time to roll the bones!
The Knicks would do that trade in 2 seconds  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2017 3:54 pm : link
...
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 3:56 pm : link
Ntilikina in pure Knicks fashion, 12 minutes 0-1 from the field, 2 rebounds, 1 assist #Ballin #Knicks
Noted  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 4:01 pm : link
Superstar Erving Walker, all 5'8 of him absolutely CARRYING Strasbourg. A heroic performance. 24 minutes 7-11 from the field, 6-9 from 3
Heat  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
I really can't see the Heat making that trade. Ira Winderman isn't exactly Woj.

I hope I'm wrong but there seems to be zero momentum towards a Carmelo trade.
Winderman was purely speculating.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 4:11 pm : link
He covers the Heat - if he knew they were pursuing Melo he would've been far more definitive. He was simply saying the Knicks should be on the phone with the teams that miss out on George and Butler.
Strasbourg  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 4:16 pm : link
up 2, Frenchy not in the game for defense. Slaughter with a beautiful finish, Clark (no idea the first name) absolutely screwed with an offensive foul call.
Strasbourg  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 4:23 pm : link
wins. Frenchy finishes 0-1 from the field, 2 rebounds, 1 assist over 14 minutes
RE: Winderman was purely speculating.  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13504129 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
He covers the Heat - if he knew they were pursuing Melo he would've been far more definitive. He was simply saying the Knicks should be on the phone with the teams that miss out on George and Butler.


its my fault got it told me second hand
Dan  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
We can't take that kid at 8. A trade down maybe. At #8 is too much potential. And for all you who want Melo & Rose gone, we need someone to put the ball in the hoop.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13504160 Carl in CT said:
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We can't take that kid at 8. A trade down maybe. At #8 is too much potential. And for all you who want Melo & Rose gone, we need someone to put the ball in the hoop.


Unless it's truly all smoke they seemingly love him so I guess we have to hope for the best. A bit of a red flag he wasn't even in there late for his defense so while he may end up a good defender his coach didn't think he was "so good" right now he had to be in there. The Knicks are still running some workouts (which may mean nothing, or maybe they are considering trading back or they aren't sold on who they want?).
RE: Strasbourg  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13504143 DanMetroMan said:
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wins. Frenchy finishes 0-1 from the field, 2 rebounds, 1 assist over 14 minutes


Sounds like he was born to be a Knick!
RE: Winderman was purely speculating.  
Enzo : 6/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13504129 bceagle05 said:
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He covers the Heat - if he knew they were pursuing Melo he would've been far more definitive. He was simply saying the Knicks should be on the phone with the teams that miss out on George and Butler.

that would be sort of ironic if Melo ends up in Miami after all of his buddies are gone. But yeah, a patient approach like that is what Phil needs to do. There are a ton of big names that might switch teams this summer (Paul George, Blake, LMA, Love)...there may be opportunities to insert Melo into 3 and 4 team deals involving these guys. He doesn't need to jump on whatever crap trade is available on draft night.
Oh snap  
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RE: Oh snap  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13504207 DanMetroMan said:
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The Cavaliers, per league sources, have been working today on assembling multi-team trade scenarios to try to acquire Chicago's Jimmy Butler


Hard to imagine Kyrie not being involved. And if it's the cavs that are the ones working on this I'm not sure how much to believe if Irving isn't involved.
Why would the Cavs  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2017 5:45 pm : link
trade Kyrie for Jimmy Butler?
RE: I'd take tyler johnson  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13504066 giantsfan44ab said:
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straight up for Melo. Big time fan.


Remember when I suggested this trade and you said the Heat would never consider it?

Lulz.
I'd rather have  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2017 5:57 pm : link
Kyrie.
If this is true, Tommy Dee really is the worst  
Anakim : 6/19/2017 6:05 pm : link
Will‏
@tee149

@JSports_ent any truth to the Paul gasol for Noah rumor that @ThomasCDee is pushing?
So not only may the Mavericks trade up in front of us to take Frank  
Anakim : 6/19/2017 6:08 pm : link
but they may also trade for Rubio
Butler is a better player than Kyrie  
Deej : 6/19/2017 6:11 pm : link
Kyrie is a bad defender. I'd have to look at how the Cavs would staff the 1 though. They lacked PG depth event with Kyrie.

If Butler put up that season last year on a better team he'd be talked about more as just outside the top 5 or so players. Though he's less naturally talented, so I feel like he could come back to the pack a little.
Supposedly DSJ won't let any teams examine his knees  
Anakim : 6/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
That's gotta bring up a few red flags
RE: So not only may the Mavericks trade up in front of us to take Frank  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13504263 Anakim said:
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but they may also trade for Rubio


Fucking coin flip. Fucking win against Philly in game 82.

Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Isaac and Frank in the top seven would leave us a nice choice between Monk and Smith.
I remember reading a piece on DraftExpress  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 6:31 pm : link
a few months back on Smith. The premise was that he plays above the rim just like Derrick Rose, and lands like Rose - with his legs straight instead of bent, with maximum impact on his knees. A similar injury fate was predicted. Needless to say it scared the hell outta me.
RE: Why would the Cavs  
hitdog42 : 6/19/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13504228 Jon in NYC said:
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trade Kyrie for Jimmy Butler?


Cavs would never trade Kyrie if still trying to compete -
RE: RE: I'd take tyler johnson  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13504231 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13504066 giantsfan44ab said:


Quote:


straight up for Melo. Big time fan.



Remember when I suggested this trade and you said the Heat would never consider it?

Lulz.


Very clearly and vividly. 100% the reason I would do it. I don't see it happening.
I can't imagine how Kevin love  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 7:38 pm : link
Would get them jimmy butler. So that really only leaves Kyrie and Tristan Thompson.
Cavs and GM Griffin done  
Earl the goat : 6/19/2017 7:40 pm : link
Chauncey Billups up next

Interesting ?
RE: Cavs and GM Griffin done  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13504332 Earl the goat said:
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Chauncey Billups up next

Interesting ?


I wish I could remember which TV reporter/analyst said Griffin was going to be the "fall guy" despite LeBron's fingerprints being on most (if not all) of the team's moves.
RE: Supposedly DSJ won't let any teams examine his knees  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13504270 Anakim said:
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That's gotta bring up a few red flags


If that's true, then I'm out the door.


Regarding Frenchy, worth recalling that Porzingis didn't have any kind of standout numbers in Spain. Better league, yes, but he had no resume either.
RE: RE: Cavs and GM Griffin done  
Deej : 6/19/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13504335 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13504332 Earl the goat said:


Quote:


Chauncey Billups up next

Interesting ?



I wish I could remember which TV reporter/analyst said Griffin was going to be the "fall guy" despite LeBron's fingerprints being on most (if not all) of the team's moves.


The sentiment is true, but Griffin wasnt fired. His contract and I think this was just a money issue -- he wanted more than the team would give.
RE: RE: Supposedly DSJ won't let any teams examine his knees  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13504336 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 13504270 Anakim said:


Quote:


That's gotta bring up a few red flags



If that's true, then I'm out the door.


Regarding Frenchy, worth recalling that Porzingis didn't have any kind of standout numbers in Spain. Better league, yes, but he had no resume either.


willy was a backup his last year playimg 5 minutes a game
My good friend  
hitdog42 : 6/19/2017 8:19 pm : link
Per ESPN article mentioned as group heading cavs front office with Gilbert leaving. Must be crazy there right now
RE: My good friend  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13504365 hitdog42 said:
Quote:
Per ESPN article mentioned as group heading cavs front office with Gilbert leaving. Must be crazy there right now


the craziest part was he was workijg the phones up until 2 hours ago trying to get a deal for butler then all of a sudden it was ok you are leaving...

rumors are it was a difference in direction, maybe lebron convinced gilbert to go after melo instead?

just weird they were trying so hard for george or butler then all of sudden nope i am leaving..
Butler or George to the LeBrons  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2017 8:31 pm : link
would be pure gold, haha.
RE: RE: My good friend  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2017 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13504370 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13504365 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


Per ESPN article mentioned as group heading cavs front office with Gilbert leaving. Must be crazy there right now



the craziest part was he was workijg the phones up until 2 hours ago trying to get a deal for butler then all of a sudden it was ok you are leaving...

rumors are it was a difference in direction, maybe lebron convinced gilbert to go after melo instead?

just weird they were trying so hard for george or butler then all of sudden nope i am leaving..


We do know Lebron loves himself some best friends.
Jeff goodman at espn  
hitdog42 : 6/19/2017 8:33 pm : link
Saying my boy is the top remaining guy left- who a gm would call on a deal- maybe they give him a shot!
As deej said I think a money and vision thing
RE: Jeff goodman at espn  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13504379 hitdog42 said:
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Saying my boy is the top remaining guy left- who a gm would call on a deal- maybe they give him a shot!
As deej said I think a money and vision thing


it is just so weird, this is something the knicks would do
RE: Jeff goodman at espn  
Mike in NJ : 6/19/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13504379 hitdog42 said:
Quote:
Saying my boy is the top remaining guy left- who a gm would call on a deal- maybe they give him a shot!
As deej said I think a money and vision thing


Even though you are a Nets fan, do us all a solid and try and talk him into Melo for Love....
I was reminded over on the RealGM boards  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2017 9:35 pm : link
that Chauncey was a big proponent of trading Love for Melo while dishing those hot takes on ESPN. Not saying GM Chauncey would do that, but it's one reason to root for him to get the job.
RE: I was reminded over on the RealGM boards  
Mike in NJ : 6/19/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13504409 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
that Chauncey was a big proponent of trading Love for Melo while dishing those hot takes on ESPN. Not saying GM Chauncey would do that, but it's one reason to root for him to get the job.


He has also made comments about thinking that the best situation for Melo would be with another star, a guy that he respects and can be the leader so Carmelo doesn't have to be that guy. Sounds a lot like Lebron.
there are also reports  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 9:52 pm : link
that griffin was getting calls on irving but was working on deals for love...

if it does happen have to semd love to a 3rd team
Love for  
giantsfan44ab : 6/19/2017 9:56 pm : link
Crowder smart and Rozier is still the most realistic trade I've heard. Fail to see how love gets you Butler. George makes sense if Bird is just trying to find a valuable return for PG.
sam amick says  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 10:09 pm : link
griffin had no interest in trading for carmelo, and now they are trying to bring in a guy who said on national tv that he woukd trade melo for love...

sam amick made a good point though, if lebron is leaving shouldnt you try to stay compwtitive but not kill your future?
RE: sam amick says  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13504427 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
griffin had no interest in trading for carmelo, and now they are trying to bring in a guy who said on national tv that he woukd trade melo for love...

sam amick made a good point though, if lebron is leaving shouldnt you try to stay compwtitive but not kill your future?


Mm ales me think that the disagreement was around trading Kyrie for a potential one year George rental. It's not like they have picks to deal for a long time so it has to be one side wanting to mortgage the young guy under contract for being left with nothing in the future I would think.
.  
Anakim : 6/19/2017 11:37 pm : link
Chad Ford‏Verified account
@chadfordinsider

Sounds like Lakers are dangling DAngelo Russell in effort to get another Top 12 pick. Luke Kennard & Zach Collins appear to be targets


Russell+ for #8?
RE: .  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 1:37 am : link
In comment 13504462 Anakim said:
Quote:
Chad Ford‏Verified account
@chadfordinsider

Sounds like Lakers are dangling DAngelo Russell in effort to get another Top 12 pick. Luke Kennard & Zach Collins appear to be targets


Russell+ for #8?


No. only way I consider 8 is with Ingram involved. I like randle but not sure if I'd even do randle + dlo for 8.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 2:38 am : link
In comment 13504462 Anakim said:
Quote:
Chad Ford‏Verified account
@chadfordinsider

Sounds like Lakers are dangling DAngelo Russell in effort to get another Top 12 pick. Luke Kennard & Zach Collins appear to be targets


Russell+ for #8?


Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@WojVerticalNBA

For now, LA resisting salary dumps on Mozgov or Deng needed to clear future space. Teams trying to snag pick/young player to absorb deals.
RE: RE: I was reminded over on the RealGM boards  
Deej : 6/20/2017 6:36 am : link
In comment 13504416 Mike in NJ said:
Quote:
In comment 13504409 bceagle05 said:


Quote:


that Chauncey was a big proponent of trading Love for Melo while dishing those hot takes on ESPN. Not saying GM Chauncey would do that, but it's one reason to root for him to get the job.



He has also made comments about thinking that the best situation for Melo would be with another star, a guy that he respects and can be the leader so Carmelo doesn't have to be that guy. Sounds a lot like Lebron.


That's how I've always felt about Melo. He shouldnt be your best player/leader.
RE: RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 6:37 am : link
In comment 13504492 Anakim said:
Quote:


Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@WojVerticalNBA

For now, LA resisting salary dumps on Mozgov or Deng needed to clear future space. Teams trying to snag pick/young player to absorb deals.


Unlike the Knicks, the Lakers get that you dont burn assets to make cap space unless and until you have a deal lined up to get a star with the new $$.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13504503 Deej said:
Quote:
In comment 13504492 Anakim said:


Quote:




Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@WojVerticalNBA

For now, LA resisting salary dumps on Mozgov or Deng needed to clear future space. Teams trying to snag pick/young player to absorb deals.



Unlike the Knicks, the Lakers get that you dont burn assets to make cap space unless and until you have a deal lined up to get a star with the new $$.


Woj is being kind here though. Those contracts are burdens that nobody wants.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13504560 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13504503 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 13504492 Anakim said:


Quote:




Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@WojVerticalNBA

For now, LA resisting salary dumps on Mozgov or Deng needed to clear future space. Teams trying to snag pick/young player to absorb deals.



Unlike the Knicks, the Lakers get that you dont burn assets to make cap space unless and until you have a deal lined up to get a star with the new $$.



Woj is being kind here though. Those contracts are burdens that nobody wants.


No, I think he tweet admits that, with the last clause about teams wanting pick/young player to "absorb" deals.

My point is that the Lakers seem smart about this. Yes, maybe give an asset to move Mozgov, but hold off on it. It may never be necessary b/c they may never need the cap space. Knicks for years have been trading assets in advance of having deals lined up to fill the cap space. E.g. Summer of LeBron, TC trade. So we burn an asset, and then miss our Plan As and use the space on plan Bs, Cs, and Ds (Amare instead of LeBron, Rolo instead of Deandre or Aldridge).
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 9:23 am : link
says if not for Melo vs. Phil, Chris Paul to the Knicks would have been feasible.
RE: Woj  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13504572 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
says if not for Melo vs. Phil, Chris Paul to the Knicks would have been feasible.


of course he does, woj is good at breaking news but his opinion and wrotimg is biased...

he hates the knicks and thats been proven...

of course the knicks give him.plenty of ammo
Aron Baynes  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 9:30 am : link
opts out of his deal. Very underrated player (no interest for the Knicks, he's 30 and looking to get paid).
Meh  
Deej : 6/20/2017 9:32 am : link
CP3 would be the wrong direction for this franchise.
RE: Meh  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 9:34 am : link
In comment 13504581 Deej said:
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CP3 would be the wrong direction for this franchise.


No more so then the direction I expect them to take. Jeff Teague, George Hill etc. At least with Paul you could "dream" on a Paul/Melo/KP/Willy + say Monk core doing something. I'm pro total rebuild. I just expect a lesser version of chasing Chris Paul.
Melo  
brunswick : 6/20/2017 9:57 am : link
Just don't think anyone wants this guy. Three are rumors on everyone except him. If Phil wants him bye bye then he is going to have to release him.
Take it with a grain ...  
JonC : 6/20/2017 9:58 am : link
Lakers reportedly want Luke Kennard and Zack Collins from this draft, that's what the attempts to get picks now are for.

They've reportedly been told PG13 is coming next year, and to hold onto assets now rather than trade for him.
Wade  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:00 am : link
expected to remain with the Bulls (duh 24 million)
Fook  
JonC : 6/20/2017 10:01 am : link
... just saw Anak posted the info way back.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:01 am : link
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Donovan Mitchell will now work out for the #knicks tomorrow, per source.
Woj on Chris Mannix Show  
GiantFilthy : 6/20/2017 10:12 am : link
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Teams are trying to decide whats the appropriate cost for a player who theyre being told, pretty adamantly by Paul Georges camp, will be a rental."

"No matter who you are, no matter who has checked in or who potentially will check in, theyre going to be told that Paul George is gonna play the season out and then hes gonna go to the Lakers, that thats his plan.
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13504617 DanMetroMan said:
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Adam Zagoria‏Verified account @AdamZagoria 7s7 seconds ago
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Donovan Mitchell will now work out for the #knicks tomorrow, per source.


wonder why it got pushed back anpther day
Hope this is true.  
GiantFilthy : 6/20/2017 10:13 am : link
No need to trade Dlo.

Quote:
@LakerFilmRoom
Chad Ford trying to put 2 + 2 together after reading a Ramona Shelburne report does not constitute a rumor, much less news. C'mon, guys.
RE: Hope this is true.  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13504636 GiantFilthy said:
Quote:
No need to trade Dlo.



Quote:


@LakerFilmRoom
Chad Ford trying to put 2 + 2 together after reading a Ramona Shelburne report does not constitute a rumor, much less news. C'mon, guys.



chad ford is garbage i dont know why anyone believes anything he says..

he has been caugh editing his mocj drafts durong the draft to make it look like he got more than wrong right
Gasol  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:27 am : link
is opting out of 16.2 and will get a "longer" deal at a lower number.
my opinion of the draft eligible guys  
Pep22 : 6/20/2017 10:29 am : link
Rank Player "Glass is half full" Comp
1 Lonzo Ball Jason Kidd
2 Markelle Fullz Andrew Wiggins
3 Jayson Tatum Carmelo Anthony
4 Dearron Fox John Wall
5 Josh Jackson Jimmy Butler
6 Jonathan Isaac Brandon Ingram
7 Malik Monk Lou Williams
8 Donovan Mitchell Avery Bradley
9 Dennis Smith Jr. Baron Davis
10 Lauri Markannen Ryan Anderson
11 Frank Mason Kyle Lowry
12 Frank Ntilikina Khris Middleton
13 TJ Leaf Taj Gibson
14 Zach Collins Greg Monroe
15 Justin Patton Clint Capela
16 Jarret Allen Marcus Camby
17 Luke Kennard Joe Ingles
18 Derrick White Grevis Vasquez
19 Jonah Bolden Marquess Chris
20 Semi Ojeleye Jae Crowder
21 Justin Jackson Tayshaun Prince
22 Jordan Bell Amir Johnson
23 DJ Wilson Sam Dekker
24 Cam Oliver Kenneth Faried
25 Bam Adebayo Derrick Favors
26 OG Anunoby MKG
27 Josh Hart Courtney Lee
28 John Collins Brice Johnson
29 Kyle Kuzma Jared Dudley
30 Frank Jackson Monte Ellis
31 Sindarious Thornwell Wesley Matthews
32 Dillon Brooks Aaron Afflalo
33 Damyean Dotson Michael Finley
34 Ike Aninqbogu Bismack Biyumbo
35 Jonathan Motley Dewayne Dedmon
36 Caleb Swanigan Kyle O'Quinn
37 Tony Bradley John Henson
38 Tyler Lydon Channing Frye
39 Terrance Ferguson Corey Brewer
40 Juwun Evans Patty Mills
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Pep22 : 6/20/2017 10:29 am : link
I like
Pep22 : 10:18 am : link : reply
Mason far more than most.

Same can be said for Leaf White Bolden Ojeleye Oliver
So  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:30 am : link
clearly the theory Pop might do Pau dirty to land Paul wasn't accurate.
RE: Gasol  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13504655 DanMetroMan said:
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is opting out of 16.2 and will get a "longer" deal at a lower number.


Wow this is surprising. I can't see how it's possible, but I'd love to see that the Spurs go all out and try to get CP3 and Paul George. That team could seriously compete with GSW. But this tells me the Spurs have something cooking.
Windhorst  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:32 am : link
said the Suns were going to send #4 to the Cavs for Love and the pick was going to head to Indiana or Chicago for Butler or George (or that was the hope of Griffin).
Fultz comp'd with Wiggins  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 10:34 am : link
What..I can't even process that.
RE: Windhorst  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13504670 DanMetroMan said:
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said the Suns were going to send #4 to the Cavs for Love and the pick was going to head to Indiana or Chicago for Butler or George (or that was the hope of Griffin).


i wouldnt send it for george, i would for butler
let me add to that  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 10:36 am : link
if george was willing to stay long term i would do it, but he is not...

i still dont get why he is so hellbent on getting to lakers, are they really going to be any good in the near future?
In  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:36 am : link
theory I don't dislike it for the Suns though I'd be scared of Booker/Love defensively.

But Bledsoe/Booker/Love/Chriss is an interesting core
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giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13504673 nygiants16 said:
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said the Suns were going to send #4 to the Cavs for Love and the pick was going to head to Indiana or Chicago for Butler or George (or that was the hope of Griffin).



i wouldnt send it for george, i would for butler


Why wouldn't the suns demand Butler for that? Why would any team do all the dirty work for the cavs and give the bulls the requisite return but receive the lesser player? I can't see how Butler to Cleveland works In the slightest.
RE: Fultz comp'd with Wiggins  
Mike in NJ : 6/20/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13504672 giantsfan44ab said:
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What..I can't even process that.


I thought the same thing. I don't see how they are similar in any way.
My  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:42 am : link
guess is #4 AND other picks were part of the offer for Butler. ie #4 + 2021 and 2023. If I'm the Suns I don't do that, if I'm the Cavs I do.
Love  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 10:44 am : link
I'm not the biggest fan of his but people severely underestimate how good the guy is. The only reason for the Cavs to trade him is the matchup with GSW. Any other team it's not an issue. A stretch 4 who can score 25 a game and is an elite rebounder? Not easy to find.

And what the hell is Gilbert thinking? I don't view Griffin as highly as some people but this timing couldn't be any worse. Not to mention possibly angering Lebron. Gilbert is such an asshole- he doesn't deserve that team.
RE: RE: Fultz comp'd with Wiggins  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13504688 Mike in NJ said:
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What..I can't even process that.



I thought the same thing. I don't see how they are similar in any way.


Lots of head scratchers on that list now that I'm going down.
RE: Love  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13504692 TyreeHelmet said:
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I'm not the biggest fan of his but people severely underestimate how good the guy is. The only reason for the Cavs to trade him is the matchup with GSW. Any other team it's not an issue. A stretch 4 who can score 25 a game and is an elite rebounder? Not easy to find.

And what the hell is Gilbert thinking? I don't view Griffin as highly as some people but this timing couldn't be any worse. Not to mention possibly angering Lebron. Gilbert is such an asshole- he doesn't deserve that team.


Gilbert is as if Dolan lucked into Jordan
Wiggins/Fullz  
Pep22 : 6/20/2017 10:49 am : link
isn't the best comp but I was going on:

-similar reach despite the 2" height diff
-expectation that both should be adequate from "3" i.e. 35-37%, and do much of their damage mid range and closer
-anticipation of mid 20s scoring avg in their primes
-defensive indifference

I see some James Harden comps thrown around for Fullz but due to the athletic gap, righty vs lefty etc. I don't see that.

Anyway I think we have a reasonable idea of what Fullz will be even if there isn't an obvious parallel. I wouldn't get carried away with 1 of 40 comps.
It was more like 25 of 40 comps  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 10:54 am : link
But whatever. Fultz and Wiggins are on different planets as a shooter, ball handler, passer, athleticism, etc. size isn't even comparable they're like 3-4 inches apart.
hoping this isnt true  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/20/2017 11:15 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @WojVerticalNBA 44s44 seconds ago
Sources: Phil Jackson met with Lauri Markkanen in New York on Monday, a player whom he's considering at No. 8 should Knicks move Porzingis.Adrian Wojnarowski added,
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: As teams become aware Phil Jackson isn't ruling out possibility of trading Kristaps Porzingis, frenzy of interest is growing today.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:17 am : link
done with the Knicks if that happens.
Somehow  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:18 am : link
he'll land with the Cavs

Ian Begley‏
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Knicks have gotten several calls from teams interested in trading for Kristaps Porzingis, per sources: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0668835824577550669-4
It's worth exploring  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:19 am : link
but I'm only doing it for a king's ransom.
Obviously.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:20 am : link
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I'd love KP  
Earl the goat : 6/20/2017 11:20 am : link
To the Celtics for the 3 this year and Jaylen Brown and one of their first rounders next year
Send them Lance Thomas too in a salary dump
RE: I'm  
Sean : 6/20/2017 11:21 am : link
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done with the Knicks if that happens.


I doubt this. You said you were done if 2010 didn't go well & they've been incompetent for almost a decade since.
Trading KP had better result in them being in position  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 11:22 am : link
to do something a lot better than that.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:23 am : link
not even sure it's worth "exploring". He's 22. What are teams giving up that makes it worth your while? 3 1sts? You pray firsts are even NBA players let alone potential superstars. Sure, if someone does something ridiculous you don't hang up the phone but I'd have to be truly blown away. I would't take say the T wolves next 3 1sts for him.
RE: I'd love KP  
feelflows : 6/20/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13504732 Earl the goat said:
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To the Celtics for the 3 this year and Jaylen Brown and one of their first rounders next year
Send them Lance Thomas too in a salary dump


why not throw in Zizic for good measure!! hell.. a couple more picks, too!
RE: I'm  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13504726 DanMetroMan said:
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done with the Knicks if that happens.


what if you get 3, jaylen brown next years bkn pick, next years la pick and 1 more first?

and in my personal opinion this is woj trying to stir up knicks fans, 2 years ago before the lottery he said it was a 4 player draft, then it became 3 when knicks got 4 then it was knicks do not like anyone and are trading out...

this is the media stirring up drama
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13504733 Sean said:
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done with the Knicks if that happens.



I doubt this. You said you were done if 2010 didn't go well & they've been incompetent for almost a decade since.


I already promised if Derrick Rose returns I will not be posting on any Knicks threads in 2018 and I will 100% stick to that. If they trade KP (obviously the return would matter) but I'd probably be fully finished with the Knicks. They make me sick.
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13504742 nygiants16 said:
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done with the Knicks if that happens.



what if you get 3, jaylen brown next years bkn pick, next years la pick and 1 more first?

and in my personal opinion this is woj trying to stir up knicks fans, 2 years ago before the lottery he said it was a 4 player draft, then it became 3 when knicks got 4 then it was knicks do not like anyone and are trading out...

this is the media stirring up drama


So Ainge is giving up every single chip he added for KP? Lets be realistic here. Ainge if anything is a hoarder and he has his eyes on guys like Anthony Davis. KP isn't bringing back #3 overall, Brown, Nets pick, Lakers pick and 1 more first... that's a deal for a top 5 player in the NBA.
It's a one-in-a-million shot that he's traded  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:29 am : link
but why work out Markkanen? No way he's a fit with KP and Willy, even if he's BPA at #8 in Phil's mind. If that workout actually happened, it does add some intrigue.
KP is more valuable than Fultz  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:29 am : link
Give me #3, and their best pick post-lottery next year, and then add a piece or two.
RE: I'm  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13504739 DanMetroMan said:
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not even sure it's worth "exploring". He's 22. What are teams giving up that makes it worth your while? 3 1sts? You pray firsts are even NBA players let alone potential superstars. Sure, if someone does something ridiculous you don't hang up the phone but I'd have to be truly blown away. I would't take say the T wolves next 3 1sts for him.


I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?

It would have to be an obviously lopsided deal and I'd want a guy with star upside in return (obviously Lavine's upside is in the he of the beholder, but given his athleticism and elite shooting ability I'd throw him as a very high upside option).

Boston would have to unload a bevy of picks as I don't see what their high upside option would be. I'm not sure I even take #3 and brown for him.
I would consider  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:33 am : link
- 2017 #3 overall
- Better of Lakers conditional or Nets unconditional 2018 (determined after the lottery)
- Best of their 2019 picks (Philly, Sacto, Memphis, LAC)
- Marcus Smart

Thing is, I dont think Phil wants to play that long game.
RE: RE: RE: I'm  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13504744 DanMetroMan said:
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done with the Knicks if that happens.



what if you get 3, jaylen brown next years bkn pick, next years la pick and 1 more first?

and in my personal opinion this is woj trying to stir up knicks fans, 2 years ago before the lottery he said it was a 4 player draft, then it became 3 when knicks got 4 then it was knicks do not like anyone and are trading out...

this is the media stirring up drama



So Ainge is giving up every single chip he added for KP? Lets be realistic here. Ainge if anything is a hoarder and he has his eyes on guys like Anthony Davis. KP isn't bringing back #3 overall, Brown, Nets pick, Lakers pick and 1 more first... that's a deal for a top 5 player in the NBA.


then you hang up and say thanks but no thanks...

you only do it if your blown away..

i still dont believe it, i think this woj just riling up knicks fans 2 days before the draft..
.  
arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 11:35 am : link
What exactly would the point be of trading Porzingis?

Isn't the idea that the Knicks need MORE players like him to actually be competitive again? The entire point of lottery picks is so that you can get a player like Porzingis and rebuild your team.

I doubt the Knicks will actually trade him, I just don't understand why it would even be a consideration.
RE: RE: I'm  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?


That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.
RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13504750 arcarsenal said:
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What exactly would the point be of trading Porzingis?

Isn't the idea that the Knicks need MORE players like him to actually be competitive again? The entire point of lottery picks is so that you can get a player like Porzingis and rebuild your team.

I doubt the Knicks will actually trade him, I just don't understand why it would even be a consideration.


Correct. You fire Phil before you trade KP, unless you get a total come to Jesus offer
Ugh, just what we need to fucking hear  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:38 am : link
Whatever. IDK: KP and Courtney Lee for KAT and Ricky Rubio
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:
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not even sure it's worth "exploring". He's 22. What are teams giving up that makes it worth your while? 3 1sts? You pray firsts are even NBA players let alone potential superstars. Sure, if someone does something ridiculous you don't hang up the phone but I'd have to be truly blown away. I would't take say the T wolves next 3 1sts for him.



I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?

It would have to be an obviously lopsided deal and I'd want a guy with star upside in return (obviously Lavine's upside is in the he of the beholder, but given his athleticism and elite shooting ability I'd throw him as a very high upside option).

Boston would have to unload a bevy of picks as I don't see what their high upside option would be. I'm not sure I even take #3 and brown for him.


Yeah. The deal would have to be lopsided in our favor with the team trading for him believing he's going to help them quicker than the picks and/or absolutely loving him. I wouldn't do an "even value" trade, the downside is too great. If he's a future top 10 player (which I believe he can be) and the return are 2-3 "starters" it's a bad trade. Stars league. Dunn was so bad I basically assign him "throw in" value so LaVine, + #3 + a 1st from a team that figures to be quite good with KP/KAT/Wiggins.... in fact a team like that suddenly becomes really, really intriguing/exciting while we pray for the future. yuck.
RE: RE: RE: I'm  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13504751 Deej said:
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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?




That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.


Obviously injury needs to be factored in but to me Lavine is More of a sure thing than any potential pick. If the nets pick next year is in consideration that certainly changes things the top of next years class is incredibly intriguing. But my guess is ainge would try to make a deal with giving up more of lesser 1sts rather than a home run pick like the nets.
now begely is reporting it  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
umm yeah consider me nervous
That we're even  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
discussing trading KP makes me sick to my stomach.

When do you ever find a guy with his physical tools, skillset, and makeup?
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:43 am : link
Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley 15m15 minutes ago
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No one from the Knicks organization has been in touch with Kristaps Porzingis since he skipped exit meetings, per league sources.
Phil  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:44 am : link
is 71, he's trading for 3-4 future picks? Does that really make sense? Enjoy some 28 year old veterans.
Phil giveth and Phil taketh away  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:46 am : link
Just what we need.

IDK, spitballing again here: Paul George and Myles Turner for KP

KP and Courtney Lee for KAT and Ricky Rubio
KP  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 11:48 am : link
I can't believe some of you advocating for a KP trade. Truly unbelievable. I hate this team and I can't believe they gave this clown Phil Jackson another offseason.

And for everyone saying Woj hates the Knicks. He heaped praised on Phil for picking KP.

I'm speechless. I can't believe people would want Jaylen Brown and draft picks for him. You pray a draft pick ends up like KP and one you find him you don't trade him. I'm 100% done with this team if this goes down.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13504759 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?




That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.



Obviously injury needs to be factored in but to me Lavine is More of a sure thing than any potential pick. If the nets pick next year is in consideration that certainly changes things the top of next years class is incredibly intriguing. But my guess is ainge would try to make a deal with giving up more of lesser 1sts rather than a home run pick like the nets.


Sure thing to what end? What the fuck is a Lavine led team going to get you to? Ever.
We shouldn't trade him  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:53 am : link
But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.
Dump  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:54 am : link
on Woj all you want but once Begley chimes in it';s bad, bad news.
RE: KP  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13504775 TyreeHelmet said:
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I can't believe some of you advocating for a KP trade. Truly unbelievable. I hate this team and I can't believe they gave this clown Phil Jackson another offseason.

And for everyone saying Woj hates the Knicks. He heaped praised on Phil for picking KP.

I'm speechless. I can't believe people would want Jaylen Brown and draft picks for him. You pray a draft pick ends up like KP and one you find him you don't trade him. I'm 100% done with this team if this goes down.


woj does hate the knicks and that has been proven...

he said in an article knicks were not signing anyonr because walsh was in a wheelchair...

he also when knicks hired phil said phil would never go there and he was going back to the lakers and it was a great move...

next day phil signs with knicks and he calls it a horrible move...

he has admitted in an article he trashes teams and players who dont give him info and praises teams that do
RE: Dump  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13504787 DanMetroMan said:
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on Woj all you want but once Begley chimes in it';s bad, bad news.


this, once begely started chiming in it became real to me...

i am hoping it is as simple has phil answering the phone and talking to a team and phil saying no but the team leaked knicks didnt completely dismiss tradd
Working  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:57 am : link
out Markkanen is what worries me. I mean due diligence sure, but does anyone think Markkanen + KP would be a good fit? It's scary.
RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13504783 Anakim said:
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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.


Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.
RE: Working  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13504793 DanMetroMan said:
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out Markkanen is what worries me. I mean due diligence sure, but does anyone think Markkanen + KP would be a good fit? It's scary.


Exactly. That's what gives the story some legs.
If the Knicks dump KP  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:59 am : link
because of this snit over the exit meeting, I'm probably done with the NBA for a while. The league would have to take the team away, which it will never do barring something worse than the Donald Sterling tape.
Interesting article about Ntilikina  
Heisenberg : 6/20/2017 11:59 am : link
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In a league currently obsessed with both point-guard play and youth, it should be no surprise that Frank Ntilikina has found his name near the top of most NBA draft boards. The 6-foot-5 native of France is one of the youngest players in this draft at age 18, and comes off a season in which he was the youngest player to get rotation-level minutes in both the French LNB Pro A league and the Basketball Champions League.


It goes on to examine percentile-wise how his metrics stack up in the league he played, noting that his Net Rating, O Rating and D Rating were all exceptional, despite the fact that he was by far the youngest player in the league.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13504794 Deej said:
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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.



Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:02 pm : link
watched most of the Strasbourg game yesterday and came away thoroughly unimpressed. If he's the pick I will root for him (if KP is gone I won't even care who we pick). But he didn't stand out in any way. His arms look long (as expected), he gives good effort defensively but didn't stand out as an athlete and didn't look for his shot or create shots for others.
RE: If the Knicks dump KP  
Mad Mike : 6/20/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13504797 Deej said:
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because of this snit over the exit meeting, I'm probably done with the NBA for a while. The league would have to take the team away, which it will never do barring something worse than the Donald Sterling tape.

Between all of us, we could probably come up with a pretty good frame job on Dolan. Sure, we might face jail time if we got caught, but it's probably worth the risk.
RE: RE: RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Deej : 6/20/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13504802 Anakim said:
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In comment 13504783 Anakim said:


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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.




Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have


Which words in there say that KP cut off communications?

I havent talked to my friend Matt in 2 months. Would any sentient human jump to the conclusion that I cut off communications with him based on that fact alone?
Deej  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:04 pm : link
If Booker is under consideration for being able to be a PG why exactly couldn't Lavine be that? To me Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker. All the advanced metrics bear that Lavine is a more efficient player than Booker and doesn't lag far behind KP (he's like 3 months younger than KP too).

So besides injury I don't know why Lavine is considered some average bum but Booker and KP are automatically guys you can center a franchise around.
I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
Deej : 6/20/2017 12:05 pm : link
but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.
It  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:06 pm : link
should also be noted that the talent level in the league Frenchy plays in is WELL below NBA levels. I've watched FIBA, I've watched ACB, I've even seen CBA games. French LNB Pro A league doesn't even have the random ex-NBA players you see in other leagues. The D (now G league) has more NBA talent.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13504808 Deej said:
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In comment 13504794 Deej said:


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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.




Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have



Which words in there say that KP cut off communications?

I havent talked to my friend Matt in 2 months. Would any sentient human jump to the conclusion that I cut off communications with him based on that fact alone?


Deej, c'mon. Your example is totally different.

The implication from the Knicks/KP situation is that KP skipped the exit meetings (while staying in New York) and then subsequently fled to Latvia in order to avoid all communications with the Knicks and that seems to have rung true.
They haven't spoken. There's no communication between the two parties. It's extremely alarming.
RE: I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13504815 Deej said:
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but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.


Booker also has an insane nose for the hoop, angles, there are certain players that simply have an innate ability to "find a way" to score. Booker has it in spades. He's a future scoring champ.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:08 pm : link
"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
It almost feels like  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:09 pm : link
the Knicks got jealous of all the exciting trade rumors and decided the get in the game a little bit.
Think about this  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.
RE: I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13504815 Deej said:
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but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.


Lavine is more athletic than Booker. To date lavine has 2 seasons as a 38% 3 point shooter, Booker so far is 35% for his career. Booker is better at drawing fouls but Lavine has a higher assist % and lower TO% (albeit lower usage has some impact).

But they are both similar players are they not? Lavine has all the makings of being a top 5 NBA shooter. What's the tremendous difference between Booker and Lavine in that regard? And Im a massive fan of Booker too.
RE: Think about this  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13504824 Ash_3 said:
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.


IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.
I'd obviously take KP  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:12 pm : link
over Booker or Lavine, but I don't think the Suns would part with Booker but I could see the Wolves parting with Lavine a lottery pick, a former top 5 pick than looked bad year 1, and a future pick over a Boston deal if next years Nets pick is not included.
Even if we traded KP  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:12 pm : link
I still wouldn't want Markannen.
RE: RE: Think about this  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13504828 Anakim said:
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.



IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.


There's an argument to be made that he did not improve but stayed stagnant. "Major step back" is absurd.
Lavine was one pace to drain  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:14 pm : link
210 3's at a 39% clip at age 21. Am I missing something that says Lavine is a fluke shooter?
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:15 pm : link
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.



IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.



There's an argument to be made that he did not improve but stayed stagnant. "Major step back" is absurd.


Maybe not a major step back but I do think he didn't have the year we all expected him to have. He sort of hit that sophomore wall.
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 12:15 pm : link
To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.

I don't ever put anything past the Knicks when it comes to doing something stupid - but it seems like a lot of the hysteria might be unwarranted here.

I doubt the Knicks are trading him or even looking to.
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Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13504839 arcarsenal said:
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To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.


I do agree with this. Phil loves to use writers to send messages to players but he rarely gives anyone scoops on what his plans are.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13504839 arcarsenal said:
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To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.

I don't ever put anything past the Knicks when it comes to doing something stupid - but it seems like a lot of the hysteria might be unwarranted here.

I doubt the Knicks are trading him or even looking to.


seems to me it is all centered on phil saying he is not untouchable...

this whole thing is probably based on a team that called and told woj knicks didnt hang up right away...

now its knicks are considering trading kp
I'll play Phil's game:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:18 pm : link
1) Booker, Bender and #4 for KP

2) KAT and Ricky Rubio for KP and Lee

3) Paul George and Myles Turner for KP
.  
Pep22 : 6/20/2017 12:23 pm : link
1. I don't believe this.

2. Despite # 1, their utter incompetence has to introduce an element of doubt.

Question: While Dolan has seemingly stayed true to his word and let Jackson pour gasoline on a franchise already engulfed in flames, if Phil agreed to a bad trade i.e. KP for < value, does Dolan have the right of refusal? Or could Phil single handedly destroy what's left of the franchise with no check and balance?
i will say this  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 12:25 pm : link
if phil ever did make the trade for kp he better hit on every single pick he gets...

and if it is markannen at 8 he better be a damn good player
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bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:25 pm : link
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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992
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giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:26 pm : link
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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992



Always the best news. Trade talk makes everyone crazy. Stay the course.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ✔@ramonashelburne
One name of strong interest for Knicks and Bulls is Josh Jackson
RE: I'll play Phil's game:  
Mike in NJ : 6/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13504846 Anakim said:
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1) Booker, Bender and #4 for KP

2) KAT and Ricky Rubio for KP and Lee

3) Paul George and Myles Turner for KP


There is zero chance that Minnesota would trade KAT, especially since he is probably valued higher than Porzingis. KP for Turner would be awful (that's all that trade would amount to because no chance George stays. The Phoenix package you could talk me into.
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13504855 bceagle05 said:
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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992



While it's good news, the qualifier sticks out like a sore thumb.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:30 pm : link
think the Suns pass on that. Booker is becoming one of the "name" young stars in the league (will be 21 in October), at 4 a guy like Jackson, Tatum or Fox would be there and Bender (was awful last year) was still a very high pick/lottery ticket.
well, no one is under the illusion that KP is happy at the moment  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 12:30 pm : link
But I don't think it sounds like we're at the point that anyone is demanding a trade. Yet.
This could be quickly nipped in the bud.  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:33 pm : link
Draft Monk or another quality lead guard prospect; play half a season of decent ball trying to boost Melo's value. Gauge his willingness to leave or stay as a mentor. If he wants to leave, trade him for a good package and trade Lee as well.
My  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:33 pm : link
guess is KP is willing to give the Knicks a chance to make things right/better. Clean up the locker room, clarify the plan and hope for a better season. If 2018 mimics 2017 I suspect he'll leak he's not willing to sign an extension with the Knicks or demands a trade.
Do you think  
Pep22 : 6/20/2017 12:34 pm : link
a) this is "head fake" of trade (i.e. he has no intention of trading KP) in an attempt to push Melo closer to accepting a trade

b) this is "head fake" of trade (i.e. he has no intention of trading KP) in an attempt to push Dolan closer to firing him so he can collect $12mm a year for nothing

c) Dolan would block such a trade
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:35 pm : link
Dolan cared so much about KP he'd have Phil reach out to him. In fact, Dolan could have/should have reached out to KP.
Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Sean : 6/20/2017 12:36 pm : link
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
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Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13504858 Anakim said:
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Ramona Shelburne ✔@ramonashelburne
One name of strong interest for Knicks and Bulls is Josh Jackson


One name of strong interest for Ash is Emily Ratajkowski.
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DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:40 pm : link
Ugh  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:44 pm : link
As Phil Jackson's stated publicly, he's not ruling out dealing anybody including Kristaps Porzingis. And the Celtics, who own the third overall pick in the NBA draft, want him.

Now that trade season is in full swing ahead of the draft, the Knicks have been flooded with interest in their star, sources confirmed. And according to a source, the Celtics are among the teams interested.



I like Josh Jackson but no thanks.
Anyone who makes Carmelo Anthony a victim is someone I cannot  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 12:46 pm : link
take remotely seriously and that includes Kristaps Porzingis.
RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13504875 Sean said:
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him.


That's because he still did a mediocre to bad job.
RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13504875 Sean said:
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).


Walsh executed a plan that a 10 year old could have executed. He did enough dumb shit in his time here and the only good thing he did was a no brainer for everyone to do.

Name one good thing he did that wasn't a no brainer
RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13504875 Sean said:
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).

his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:49 pm : link
going to be sick.

Jeff Zillgitt‏Verified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.
doesn't matter if this is real or BS  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 12:50 pm : link
What is real is the league-wide perception that Phil is clueless and this team is a joke. That actually does matter.
RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 12:52 pm : link
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).


his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...


Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Sean : 6/20/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13504920 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).


his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...



Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.


This.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13504920 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.


I completely disagree. While there are a ton of draft busts, Jordan Hill was a TERRIBLE pick at the time that was compounded by the fact he played the same exact position as the Knicks' best player. He wasn't a terrible pick in hindsight... it was a terrible pick the second it was announced.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13504920 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).


his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...



Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.

um...like I said, I could go on.
I know some other people and draftniks liked Hill,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 12:56 pm : link
but I hated him as a prospect so I thought it was a horrendous pick right away.
RE: I'm  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13504915 DanMetroMan said:
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going to be sick.

Jeff Zillgitt‏Verified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.


What the hell does that even mean? Wouldn't it be the opposite? Wouldn't trading away your best player HURT your cause more than help it?
I remember going off about Jordan Hill  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:57 pm : link
and Bargnani and folks telling me to chill. Good times.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 12:58 pm : link
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).


his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...



Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.


um...like I said, I could go on.


I get it, but I could expand on my point too. The immortal pat riley drafted Justise Winslow 10th overall. You could be a better shooter from your desk chair right now.
Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:00 pm : link
Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.

That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
RE: I remember going off about Jordan Hill  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13504936 Ash_3 said:
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and Bargnani and folks telling me to chill. Good times.

I was told "draft picks don't matter" or some bs like that when I killed the bargs trade before it was even final. Not patting myself on the back...the whole world knew that was a dumb move.
RE: Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the  
Sean : 6/20/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13504945 Anakim said:
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.

That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.


Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.
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Deej : 6/20/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13504821 Anakim said:
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"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."


So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?

The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 1:02 pm : link
As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:03 pm : link
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.

That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.



Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.



That's not saying much though. I mean when you've had Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas, Glen Grunwald and Phil Jackson, anyone would look compared to them.
"I could expand on my point too"  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 1:03 pm : link
but what is your point? If you're saying everyone makes lousy picks, fine. But nobody is arguing otherwise. If you're defending Walsh's overall tenure...well that's just dumb. We have a brand new stupid old fuck in charge making mistakes to complain about.
RE: RE: Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13504949 Sean said:
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.

That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.



Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.

typical nonsense from some of the Knick fans around here. They love to set the bar incredibly low.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:04 pm : link
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"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."



So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?

The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.


I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.
.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:04 pm : link
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Sam Amick

@sam_amick

On the Kristaps Porzingis front, one exec who has been in touch with the Knicks describes their asking price as "very aggressive."
I wonder if this would be the catastrophe  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 1:06 pm : link
that finally forces fans to stay away. Attendance has been Dolan-proof for years. Maybe not any more...
RE: I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13504953 Greg from LI said:
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.


I think that was NYGiants16
RE: I remember going off about Jordan Hill  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13504936 Ash_3 said:
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and Bargnani and folks telling me to chill. Good times.


People might've told you to chill about the player (Bargs)... literally no one thought it was a good idea to trade a 1st round pick for him.
RE: Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13504945 Anakim said:
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.

That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.


maybe if he didnt blab it to the world...

walshs biggest problem, he let everything leak, everyone knew what he was doing
RE: RE: I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:12 pm : link
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.



I think that was NYGiants16


you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...

i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
RE: RE: RE: I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:13 pm : link
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.



I think that was NYGiants16



you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...

i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass



IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
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Deej : 6/20/2017 1:13 pm : link
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"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."



So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?

The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.



I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.


Whatever. Your point about KP being unprofessional because he cut off communications has been totally undermined and you cant let it go.

The Knicks need to manage their relationship with KP, not the other way around. The Knicks are the ones running a foul organization, while KP works his ass off. If you want to put a pox on both houses, so be it. It's crazy IMO.
Ford  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:14 pm : link
confirms the Knicks love Josh Jackson.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:16 pm : link
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.



I think that was NYGiants16



you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...

i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass




IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.


i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...

how is that saying omg great trade..

just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...
RE: Ford  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13504987 DanMetroMan said:
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confirms the Knicks love Josh Jackson.


I think the only thing worse about trading KP is trading KP within the division, especially to the Celtics.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13504991 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13504983 Anakim said:


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In comment 13504980 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13504969 Anakim said:


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In comment 13504953 Greg from LI said:


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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.



I think that was NYGiants16



you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...

i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass




IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.



i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...

how is that saying omg great trade..

just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...



I was one who thought
nygiants16 : 12/15/2014 10:01 am : link
the pick was meaningless and that Bargs could turn it around in New York being the 2nd fiddle behind Melo an dnot having the pressure on him...

Boy was i wrong
RE: I wonder if this would be the catastrophe  
Deej : 6/20/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13504965 Enzo said:
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that finally forces fans to stay away. Attendance has been Dolan-proof for years. Maybe not any more...


I think the ones who buy tickets are the same ones who agree that you should be doing whatever you can to get as good as you can, as quickly as you can. I.e. the ones who agree with the Dolan model.

Shit, Im still having arguments here with people who defend the Rose trade.
so i admitted i was wrong?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:18 pm : link
ehat id the big deal? i even said i HOPED the pick was meaningles, exactly what i just said..
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:19 pm : link
have twice rooted for an opponent against my teams. A returning Patrick, a returning Piazza and now I shall root for KP to embarrass the Knicks. 45 and 12, do it.
RE: so i admitted i was wrong?  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13504997 nygiants16 said:
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ehat id the big deal? i even said i HOPED the pick was meaningles, exactly what i just said..



Not a big deal. I went looking for the thread but couldn't find it.
You don't think  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 1:21 pm : link
Goldman and Cravath and the like won't continue to buy Knicks tickets? Come on bruh.

This franchise sucks.
I'd still be very surprised if they trade KP.  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2017 1:21 pm : link
And if they do, they'd get a ransom in return.

Phil was pretty clear that no one is untouchable. That's why it's been floated on this board a few times already.
Now Melo's gonna outlast  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:21 pm : link
Phil and KP haha.
Mannix  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
says the Spurs will be aggressive on Paul.
RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13504961 bceagle05 said:
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Sam Amick

@sam_amick

On the Kristaps Porzingis front, one exec who has been in touch with the Knicks describes their asking price as "very aggressive."



I'd be happier with "out of their fucking minds aggressive"
Well  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
at least we will have Redick

What does this even mean?  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:24 pm : link
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Jeff Zillgitt

@JeffZillgitt

One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.


Does this help their job security to trade the first young stud we've had in 30 years?
RE: RE: so i admitted i was wrong?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13505003 Anakim said:
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In comment 13504997 nygiants16 said:


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ehat id the big deal? i even said i HOPED the pick was meaningles, exactly what i just said..




Not a big deal. I went looking for the thread but couldn't find it.


ill tell you exactly what i said, i thought bargs could turn it around in new york with melo, chandler and amare he didnt have any of the spotlight or pressure...

i thought he would be a good fit, i thiught the first round pick was a good gamvle coming off a 54 win season and a team built to win now so i thought it wouldnt hurt them...

in the end i was wrong, 1 thing about me i never kill a move untili see how it turns out,

seeing how things turned out what a shitty fucking move
RE: What does this even mean?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13505014 bceagle05 said:
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Jeff Zillgitt

@JeffZillgitt

One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.



Does this help their job security to trade the first young stud we've had in 30 years?


it sounds like try to make the playoffs, i have been a defender of phil but if he trades kp for a bunch of old vets i am done...

if he gets a shit ton of lotto picks that is one thing
NY Giants  
Earl the goat : 6/20/2017 1:33 pm : link
Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018
Or, KP is hoping to create enough chaos  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:33 pm : link
for Dolan to step in and fire Phil, and Phil knows it. Trade KP first, problem solved. I believe that's Stephen A's cynical take on it.
RE: NY Giants  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13505025 Earl the goat said:
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Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018


no need more
RE: NY Giants  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13505025 Earl the goat said:
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Would you do KP and throw in Lance Thomas as a salary dump
For Celtics number 3
Jaylen Brown
Brooklyns number one 2018


No. Dumping Lance Thomas contract does nothing for the Knicks. He has 3 years 20 million left. What are they doing with that cap room minus KP and Melo? That's close to zero added value to the trade.
RE: Or, KP is hoping to create enough chaos  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13505026 bceagle05 said:
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for Dolan to step in and fire Phil, and Phil knows it. Trade KP first, problem solved. I believe that's Stephen A's cynical take on it.


my take, teams are leaking this to get even more chaos in new york that kp demands a trade...
Doug Gottlieb:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."
Why is Porzingis  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him
Honestly, how the hell does a schmuck like Gottlieb  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 1:36 pm : link
have any idea what Phil thinks?

So much of this is just Twitter-fueled bullshit.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:36 pm : link
RE: Why is Porzingis  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13505032 MookGiants said:
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untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him


Yep same here, I just have no faith in Phil getting what he needs to get.
RE: Doug Gottlieb:  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13505031 Anakim said:
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"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."


That feels so beyond unlikely i don't know where to start.
if boston calls offers  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
smart, crowder brown number 3, bkn next year, 2018 lakers pick, 2019 pick for melo and kp

i would think long and hard about it..

you then have 2 lotto picks this year, 3 lotto picks next year, and then 2 firat the following year...

you could rebuild rather quickly BUT seeing kp in boston would hurt a little bit
RE: Why is Porzingis  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13505032 MookGiants said:
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untouchable in many of your eyes?

I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but he's not a LeBron level player where you don't even listen to offers.

If someone blows me away, I would trade him


It's not that he's untouchable. It's that a lot of these people HATE Phil Jackson with every fiber of their being. The original story says Phil hasn't called anyone, but he's willing to listen if the offer is big enough. The people who HATE Phil didn't read that part of the story.
Reality setting in....  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
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Chris Mannix

@ChrisMannixYS

Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.
It  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
would be so perfectly Knicks to somehow land the top pick for KP and then take Tatum lol
Without ever having seen them play and just relying on word of mouth,  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
I do find it intriguing to be able to get two of Doncic, Ayton, Porter Jr. and Bamba next year.
I could give a shit  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
about seeing KP in Boston.

Why are people so attached to him? Seriously, what have I missed here?

I like his potential, like him as a player, but some of you are seriously acting like he's 1 level below LeBron. He's not.

If the celtics want him, then they better come up with a huge package, and I'm sure the knicks are taking that attitude as well.

Dan saying if the knicks trade him he hopes he goes for 45 and 12 is just absurd. What has he done for the Knicks that people are so attached to him like that?
I would only do the KP  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 1:42 pm : link
trade if we got Deej's offer from Boston earlier in the thread.
RE: RE: Doug Gottlieb:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13505040 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13505031 Anakim said:


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"Phil Jackson is in love with Jayson Tatum. He believes he's the best player in the Draft."



That feels so beyond unlikely i don't know where to start.


It's weird. Since the beginning of draft season, we've also heard that Phil would take Josh Jackson over both Fultz and Ball...and then we heard that Phil really loves Fultz as well.



So in other words, Phil loves everyone but Ball
Mook  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
you go and enjoy Tatum, Jaylen Brown and a future pick and I'll enjoy the rare talent that seemingly has a feeding frenzy from other teams trying to acquire. Phil Jackson gets 0.0 benefit of the doubt. None.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
like Josh Jackson but is there a single person on here who swaps KP for Josh Jackson and the Lakers pick? I mean how much more are you expecting? The whole point is you aren't going to get "Lebron prices" and yet Porzingis would almost certainly be the first pick in this draft. Phil Jackson is 71 years old, he's making a deal that he doesn't even "profit" from? He'll swap KP, deal Melo and add Redick, Rivers and sign PJ Tucker. Book it.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13505054 DanMetroMan said:
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you go and enjoy Tatum, Jaylen Brown and a future pick and I'll enjoy the rare talent that seemingly has a feeding frenzy from other teams trying to acquire. Phil Jackson gets 0.0 benefit of the doubt. None.


You've already decided who they would pick, what they would get, and are saying just absolutely ridiculous things like you already hope he goes for 45 and 12 if he comes back here.

Settle down. He's not getting traded for a junk package like you're expecting. The way you're acting, you would think it's a lock they're going to trade him at all costs.
RE: I  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13505059 DanMetroMan said:
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like Josh Jackson but is there a single person on here who swaps KP for Josh Jackson and the Lakers pick? I mean how much more are you expecting? The whole point is you aren't going to get "Lebron prices" and yet Porzingis would almost certainly be the first pick in this draft. Phil Jackson is 71 years old, he's making a deal that he doesn't even "profit" from? He'll swap KP, deal Melo and add Redick, Rivers and sign PJ Tucker. Book it.


Would not be surprised if this happened. At all.
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:47 pm : link
Bucher says the Pacers called the Warriors about PG13. On it's face it's "oh c'mon" but since they would have to include Green or Klay it's not exactly a great move.
What's the latest on Ball & the Lakers?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2017 1:47 pm : link
I'd love for Lonzo to slip, only to see LaVar blow up.
Hypothetically  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 1:48 pm : link
would you do Klay or Green for PG13? I don't think I would.
RE: I could give a shit  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13505049 MookGiants said:
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about seeing KP in Boston.

Why are people so attached to him? Seriously, what have I missed here?

I like his potential, like him as a player, but some of you are seriously acting like he's 1 level below LeBron. He's not.

If the celtics want him, then they better come up with a huge package, and I'm sure the knicks are taking that attitude as well.

Dan saying if the knicks trade him he hopes he goes for 45 and 12 is just absurd. What has he done for the Knicks that people are so attached to him like that?



Cowherd echoed these sentiments exactly
Would people really turn this down + a player for Porzingis?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:50 pm : link
3rd pick 2017
Nets pick 2018
Lakers 2018 pick (only if 2 through 5) or Philly/Sacramento (non-top overall pick) in 2019
Celtics 2019
Memphis 2019 (non-top 8 pick)
Clippers 2019 (non-top 14 pick)
Celtics 2021

I'm talking a Hershel Walker-type return.
Cowherd, not that he's some sports guru:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 1:52 pm : link
He would do Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown and a first rounder next year for KP because you would get three starters, plus Markanen, who Cowherd thinks is basically like 75%/80% Porzingis.
the media is sitting back laughing right now  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 1:53 pm : link
watching knicks fans freak out, now mannix and lowe are basically saying the kni ks are not looking to trade kp and that the aaking price just to talk is insane...

basically this is nothing but we are going to put it out there that the knicks are trading kp and ph look perfrct timing the knicks worked out markannen
RE: Would people really turn this down + a player for Porzingis?  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13505069 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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3rd pick 2017
Nets pick 2018
Lakers 2018 pick (only if 2 through 5) or Philly/Sacramento (non-top overall pick) in 2019
Celtics 2019
Memphis 2019 (non-top 8 pick)
Clippers 2019 (non-top 14 pick)
Celtics 2021

I'm talking a Hershel Walker-type return.


You accept that instantly.
RE: Cowherd, not that he's some sports guru:  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13505073 Anakim said:
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He would do Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown and a first rounder next year for KP because you would get three starters, plus Markanen, who Cowherd thinks is basically like 75%/80% Porzingis.


That's a GIGANTIC hell to the NO.
Dan is great  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 1:57 pm : link
but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 1:59 pm : link
It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


Haha, I forgot what we did before Twitter. Sit around watching ESPNEWS waiting for Breaking News? Haha
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


the problem is not twitter, it is that every writer apins it to help their agenda, rather than just reporting facts, they writw it in a way they know they are going to get a ton of clicks
RE: Dan is great  
Enzo : 6/20/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.

he's been awful as an executive. Anyone that has confidence in his ability to build a roster at this point is delusional or just not paying attention.
RE: Dan is great  
Heisenberg : 6/20/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks
.  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 2:09 pm : link
Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13505092 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:


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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.



the problem is not twitter, it is that every writer apins it to help their agenda, rather than just reporting facts, they writw it in a way they know they are going to get a ton of clicks


Well, Twitter is the mechanism they use to spread mis-information faster than ever before so it sort of is the problem.

It has its uses and benefits, it's just funny how quickly a story can spiral out of control based on barely any factual information whatsoever.
RE: .  
Deej : 6/20/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13505102 Anakim said:
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Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks


Hopefully he's just throwing the kitchen sink out there.

We dont need cap room. We're rebuilding. It would be dumb to waste any assets on making cap space.
RE: Dan is great  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13505083 MookGiants said:
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but his hysteria when it comes to this is just ridiculous. He already decided exactly what package the knicks would get in return and already decided it's going to happen.

He's not getting traded unless the knicks get a kings ransom. Show me ONE thing that Phil Jackson has ever done that would tell you he's going to trade KP for a mediocre package?

Saying he deserves zero benefit of the doubt is just absurd.


I do not trust Phil Jackson.

1. Obsessed with Rambis being here despite it being clear the players don't like him, no evidence he is good at his job. Hornacek asks for a defensive specialist, they try and hire Longabardi (Hornaceks guy), they are unable to... and decide they don't need one.. only to in-season decide Kurt Rambis is the best choice.

2. Yet to see any indication he is willing to actually rebuild. Not his "fault" but so far we have heard interest in PJ Tucker, JJ Redick etc OLD players that will be expensive aka "no rebuild"

3. Doesn't seem to know what he wants to do. Triangle (weird feud with Derek Fisher over it), then modified triangle with a non-triangle coach, now "all-in" triangle

4. Feuds with Melo and KP

5. Trashes the style of play of the most successful teams in the NBA (suggesting he's over the hill)

6. Inarguably one of the greatest coaches in the history of professional sports BUT zero resume for building a roster

7. Noah's contract....

8. Reportedly takes Grant against the wishes of his scouts and then gives up on him after 1 season (I never cared for Grant and I'm not suggesting he's anything special but it does suggest his "plan" is all over the place)

9. Doesn't suspend Derrick Rose (Circus)

10. Reportedly has a deal for Rubio but insists on more for Rose (Admittedly depends on who you believe)

11. Has a personal mouthpiece who "speaks for him"

12. His rings were supposed to be a gamechanger, couldn't even secure a meeting with Durant and told LMA he wanted him to play out of position at C.

Bottom line, I don't trust him and he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me like Pat Riley etc would
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13505084 arcarsenal said:
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It's times like this where I actually miss pre-Twitter sports reporting.


Twitter is at it's worst when it comes to injuries. A dude could down in training camp & people freak out, though we have no idea if it's major or not. Fifteen years we wouldn't even have known unless it was something big.
it's fine not to trust Jackson  
MookGiants : 6/20/2017 2:13 pm : link
but please point to one thing that would lead you to believe he will trade KP for anything but a kings ransom. Nothing in there should make you believe that.
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13505102 Anakim said:
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Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks


no offense anak but this guy is a moron
RE: it's fine not to trust Jackson  
Deej : 6/20/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13505118 MookGiants said:
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but please point to one thing that would lead you to believe he will trade KP for anything but a kings ransom. Nothing in there should make you believe that.


I think Dan's point is that he's been generally incompetent, so he is unreliable. Plus he may view KP as undermining him right now (speculation).
This would be incredible TV  
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I always thought that was the loser's job  
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