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nygiants16 : 6/19/2017 9:37 am
Knicks to workout and interview donovan mitchell today and tomorrow..

lakers are reportedly looking to acquire a 2nd lottery pick, my guess to send to the pacers for george...

pacers called the cavs on a trade for george not the other way around..

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Deej : 6/20/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?


That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.
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Deej : 6/20/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13504750 arcarsenal said:
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What exactly would the point be of trading Porzingis?

Isn't the idea that the Knicks need MORE players like him to actually be competitive again? The entire point of lottery picks is so that you can get a player like Porzingis and rebuild your team.

I doubt the Knicks will actually trade him, I just don't understand why it would even be a consideration.


Correct. You fire Phil before you trade KP, unless you get a total come to Jesus offer
Ugh, just what we need to fucking hear  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:38 am : link
Whatever. IDK: KP and Courtney Lee for KAT and Ricky Rubio
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:
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not even sure it's worth "exploring". He's 22. What are teams giving up that makes it worth your while? 3 1sts? You pray firsts are even NBA players let alone potential superstars. Sure, if someone does something ridiculous you don't hang up the phone but I'd have to be truly blown away. I would't take say the T wolves next 3 1sts for him.



I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?

It would have to be an obviously lopsided deal and I'd want a guy with star upside in return (obviously Lavine's upside is in the he of the beholder, but given his athleticism and elite shooting ability I'd throw him as a very high upside option).

Boston would have to unload a bevy of picks as I don't see what their high upside option would be. I'm not sure I even take #3 and brown for him.


Yeah. The deal would have to be lopsided in our favor with the team trading for him believing he's going to help them quicker than the picks and/or absolutely loving him. I wouldn't do an "even value" trade, the downside is too great. If he's a future top 10 player (which I believe he can be) and the return are 2-3 "starters" it's a bad trade. Stars league. Dunn was so bad I basically assign him "throw in" value so LaVine, + #3 + a 1st from a team that figures to be quite good with KP/KAT/Wiggins.... in fact a team like that suddenly becomes really, really intriguing/exciting while we pray for the future. yuck.
RE: RE: RE: I'm  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13504751 Deej said:
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In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:


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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?




That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.


Obviously injury needs to be factored in but to me Lavine is More of a sure thing than any potential pick. If the nets pick next year is in consideration that certainly changes things the top of next years class is incredibly intriguing. But my guess is ainge would try to make a deal with giving up more of lesser 1sts rather than a home run pick like the nets.
now begely is reporting it  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
umm yeah consider me nervous
That we're even  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
discussing trading KP makes me sick to my stomach.

When do you ever find a guy with his physical tools, skillset, and makeup?
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:43 am : link
Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley 15m15 minutes ago
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No one from the Knicks organization has been in touch with Kristaps Porzingis since he skipped exit meetings, per league sources.
Phil  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:44 am : link
is 71, he's trading for 3-4 future picks? Does that really make sense? Enjoy some 28 year old veterans.
Phil giveth and Phil taketh away  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:46 am : link
Just what we need.

IDK, spitballing again here: Paul George and Myles Turner for KP

KP and Courtney Lee for KAT and Ricky Rubio
KP  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 11:48 am : link
I can't believe some of you advocating for a KP trade. Truly unbelievable. I hate this team and I can't believe they gave this clown Phil Jackson another offseason.

And for everyone saying Woj hates the Knicks. He heaped praised on Phil for picking KP.

I'm speechless. I can't believe people would want Jaylen Brown and draft picks for him. You pray a draft pick ends up like KP and one you find him you don't trade him. I'm 100% done with this team if this goes down.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13504759 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13504747 giantsfan44ab said:


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I'm with this but i also agree with the "kings" ransom concert BC suggested. Like what if the wolves did this years first, Dunn and Lavine plus another first next year?




That's a Duke's ransom. That's a mid lottery pick this year, a mid lottery pick or worse next year, Dunn (was dreadful and isnt young), and Lavine who is good but you have to max him out soon.

Kings ransom is BOS's best pick each of the next 3 seasons.



Obviously injury needs to be factored in but to me Lavine is More of a sure thing than any potential pick. If the nets pick next year is in consideration that certainly changes things the top of next years class is incredibly intriguing. But my guess is ainge would try to make a deal with giving up more of lesser 1sts rather than a home run pick like the nets.


Sure thing to what end? What the fuck is a Lavine led team going to get you to? Ever.
We shouldn't trade him  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 11:53 am : link
But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.
Dump  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:54 am : link
on Woj all you want but once Begley chimes in it';s bad, bad news.
RE: KP  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13504775 TyreeHelmet said:
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I can't believe some of you advocating for a KP trade. Truly unbelievable. I hate this team and I can't believe they gave this clown Phil Jackson another offseason.

And for everyone saying Woj hates the Knicks. He heaped praised on Phil for picking KP.

I'm speechless. I can't believe people would want Jaylen Brown and draft picks for him. You pray a draft pick ends up like KP and one you find him you don't trade him. I'm 100% done with this team if this goes down.


woj does hate the knicks and that has been proven...

he said in an article knicks were not signing anyonr because walsh was in a wheelchair...

he also when knicks hired phil said phil would never go there and he was going back to the lakers and it was a great move...

next day phil signs with knicks and he calls it a horrible move...

he has admitted in an article he trashes teams and players who dont give him info and praises teams that do
RE: Dump  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13504787 DanMetroMan said:
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on Woj all you want but once Begley chimes in it';s bad, bad news.


this, once begely started chiming in it became real to me...

i am hoping it is as simple has phil answering the phone and talking to a team and phil saying no but the team leaked knicks didnt completely dismiss tradd
Working  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 11:57 am : link
out Markkanen is what worries me. I mean due diligence sure, but does anyone think Markkanen + KP would be a good fit? It's scary.
RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13504783 Anakim said:
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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.


Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.
RE: Working  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13504793 DanMetroMan said:
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out Markkanen is what worries me. I mean due diligence sure, but does anyone think Markkanen + KP would be a good fit? It's scary.


Exactly. That's what gives the story some legs.
If the Knicks dump KP  
Deej : 6/20/2017 11:59 am : link
because of this snit over the exit meeting, I'm probably done with the NBA for a while. The league would have to take the team away, which it will never do barring something worse than the Donald Sterling tape.
Interesting article about Ntilikina  
Heisenberg : 6/20/2017 11:59 am : link
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In a league currently obsessed with both point-guard play and youth, it should be no surprise that Frank Ntilikina has found his name near the top of most NBA draft boards. The 6-foot-5 native of France is one of the youngest players in this draft at age 18, and comes off a season in which he was the youngest player to get rotation-level minutes in both the French LNB Pro A league and the Basketball Champions League.


It goes on to examine percentile-wise how his metrics stack up in the league he played, noting that his Net Rating, O Rating and D Rating were all exceptional, despite the fact that he was by far the youngest player in the league.
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RE: RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13504794 Deej said:
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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.



Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:02 pm : link
watched most of the Strasbourg game yesterday and came away thoroughly unimpressed. If he's the pick I will root for him (if KP is gone I won't even care who we pick). But he didn't stand out in any way. His arms look long (as expected), he gives good effort defensively but didn't stand out as an athlete and didn't look for his shot or create shots for others.
RE: If the Knicks dump KP  
Mad Mike : 6/20/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13504797 Deej said:
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because of this snit over the exit meeting, I'm probably done with the NBA for a while. The league would have to take the team away, which it will never do barring something worse than the Donald Sterling tape.

Between all of us, we could probably come up with a pretty good frame job on Dolan. Sure, we might face jail time if we got caught, but it's probably worth the risk.
RE: RE: RE: We shouldn't trade him  
Deej : 6/20/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13504802 Anakim said:
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In comment 13504783 Anakim said:


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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.




Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have


Which words in there say that KP cut off communications?

I havent talked to my friend Matt in 2 months. Would any sentient human jump to the conclusion that I cut off communications with him based on that fact alone?
Deej  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:04 pm : link
If Booker is under consideration for being able to be a PG why exactly couldn't Lavine be that? To me Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker. All the advanced metrics bear that Lavine is a more efficient player than Booker and doesn't lag far behind KP (he's like 3 months younger than KP too).

So besides injury I don't know why Lavine is considered some average bum but Booker and KP are automatically guys you can center a franchise around.
I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
Deej : 6/20/2017 12:05 pm : link
but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.
It  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:06 pm : link
should also be noted that the talent level in the league Frenchy plays in is WELL below NBA levels. I've watched FIBA, I've watched ACB, I've even seen CBA games. French LNB Pro A league doesn't even have the random ex-NBA players you see in other leagues. The D (now G league) has more NBA talent.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13504808 Deej said:
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In comment 13504794 Deej said:


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In comment 13504783 Anakim said:


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But KP hasn't exactly been the consummate professional. I know he's 22 and all, but he's acting like an petulant little child. How much is he getting paid? And he's going to cut off all communications with his employer? I don't care how incompetent they are.

Come on, KP. We praised you for your maturity at such a young age, but this is not a good look.



Who says he cut off all communictions? That is not what the Begley post says.




Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
To clarify: NYK management, coaches have not been in touch with Porzingis since the skipped exit meeting. Teammates (Kuzminskas, Willy) have



Which words in there say that KP cut off communications?

I havent talked to my friend Matt in 2 months. Would any sentient human jump to the conclusion that I cut off communications with him based on that fact alone?


Deej, c'mon. Your example is totally different.

The implication from the Knicks/KP situation is that KP skipped the exit meetings (while staying in New York) and then subsequently fled to Latvia in order to avoid all communications with the Knicks and that seems to have rung true.
They haven't spoken. There's no communication between the two parties. It's extremely alarming.
RE: I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13504815 Deej said:
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but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.


Booker also has an insane nose for the hoop, angles, there are certain players that simply have an innate ability to "find a way" to score. Booker has it in spades. He's a future scoring champ.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:08 pm : link
"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
It almost feels like  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:09 pm : link
the Knicks got jealous of all the exciting trade rumors and decided the get in the game a little bit.
Think about this  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.
RE: I wouldnt trade KP for Booker  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13504815 Deej said:
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but the notion that Lavine is a more athletic version of Booker, end of story, is bonkers. Booker's shooting skill is through the roof. Not fully refined yet, but his potential is to be the best shooter not named Steph Curry.


Lavine is more athletic than Booker. To date lavine has 2 seasons as a 38% 3 point shooter, Booker so far is 35% for his career. Booker is better at drawing fouls but Lavine has a higher assist % and lower TO% (albeit lower usage has some impact).

But they are both similar players are they not? Lavine has all the makings of being a top 5 NBA shooter. What's the tremendous difference between Booker and Lavine in that regard? And Im a massive fan of Booker too.
RE: Think about this  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13504824 Ash_3 said:
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.


IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.
I'd obviously take KP  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:12 pm : link
over Booker or Lavine, but I don't think the Suns would part with Booker but I could see the Wolves parting with Lavine a lottery pick, a former top 5 pick than looked bad year 1, and a future pick over a Boston deal if next years Nets pick is not included.
Even if we traded KP  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:12 pm : link
I still wouldn't want Markannen.
RE: RE: Think about this  
Ash_3 : 6/20/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13504828 Anakim said:
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.



IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.


There's an argument to be made that he did not improve but stayed stagnant. "Major step back" is absurd.
Lavine was one pace to drain  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:14 pm : link
210 3's at a 39% clip at age 21. Am I missing something that says Lavine is a fluke shooter?
RE: RE: RE: Think about this  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13504833 Ash_3 said:
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KP managed to improve despite being surrounded by the most toxic cast of players in the NBA and a coach who didn't know what to do with him. Again, very few things would rankle me at this point with this Godforsaken franchise, but trading KP would be the final straw.



IDK. I think KP took a major step back this year. I thought he was phenomenal and promising his rookie year, but last year was a disappointment in my eyes. He still has immense potential though.



There's an argument to be made that he did not improve but stayed stagnant. "Major step back" is absurd.


Maybe not a major step back but I do think he didn't have the year we all expected him to have. He sort of hit that sophomore wall.
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 12:15 pm : link
To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.

I don't ever put anything past the Knicks when it comes to doing something stupid - but it seems like a lot of the hysteria might be unwarranted here.

I doubt the Knicks are trading him or even looking to.
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Greg from LI : 6/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13504839 arcarsenal said:
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To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.


I do agree with this. Phil loves to use writers to send messages to players but he rarely gives anyone scoops on what his plans are.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13504839 arcarsenal said:
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To be fair, it seems like the entire premise of Porzingis being traded is based on him blowing off his meeting. I don't think Phil has said anything that I've seen insinuating that he's looking to trade him. It seems like a ton of speculation.

I don't ever put anything past the Knicks when it comes to doing something stupid - but it seems like a lot of the hysteria might be unwarranted here.

I doubt the Knicks are trading him or even looking to.


seems to me it is all centered on phil saying he is not untouchable...

this whole thing is probably based on a team that called and told woj knicks didnt hang up right away...

now its knicks are considering trading kp
I'll play Phil's game:  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:18 pm : link
1) Booker, Bender and #4 for KP

2) KAT and Ricky Rubio for KP and Lee

3) Paul George and Myles Turner for KP
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Pep22 : 6/20/2017 12:23 pm : link
1. I don't believe this.

2. Despite # 1, their utter incompetence has to introduce an element of doubt.

Question: While Dolan has seemingly stayed true to his word and let Jackson pour gasoline on a franchise already engulfed in flames, if Phil agreed to a bad trade i.e. KP for < value, does Dolan have the right of refusal? Or could Phil single handedly destroy what's left of the franchise with no check and balance?
i will say this  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 12:25 pm : link
if phil ever did make the trade for kp he better hit on every single pick he gets...

and if it is markannen at 8 he better be a damn good player
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bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 12:25 pm : link
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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992
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giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13504855 bceagle05 said:
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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992



Always the best news. Trade talk makes everyone crazy. Stay the course.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ✔@ramonashelburne
One name of strong interest for Knicks and Bulls is Josh Jackson
RE: I'll play Phil's game:  
Mike in NJ : 6/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13504846 Anakim said:
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1) Booker, Bender and #4 for KP

2) KAT and Ricky Rubio for KP and Lee

3) Paul George and Myles Turner for KP


There is zero chance that Minnesota would trade KAT, especially since he is probably valued higher than Porzingis. KP for Turner would be awful (that's all that trade would amount to because no chance George stays. The Phoenix package you could talk me into.
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