Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992
While it's good news, the qualifier sticks out like a sore thumb.
think the Suns pass on that. Booker is becoming one of the "name" young stars in the league (will be 21 in October), at 4 a guy like Jackson, Tatum or Fox would be there and Bender (was awful last year) was still a very high pick/lottery ticket.
well, no one is under the illusion that KP is happy at the moment
Draft Monk or another quality lead guard prospect; play half a season of decent ball trying to boost Melo's value. Gauge his willingness to leave or stay as a mentor. If he wants to leave, trade him for a good package and trade Lee as well.
guess is KP is willing to give the Knicks a chance to make things right/better. Clean up the locker room, clarify the plan and hope for a better season. If 2018 mimics 2017 I suspect he'll leak he's not willing to sign an extension with the Knicks or demands a trade.
a) this is "head fake" of trade (i.e. he has no intention of trading KP) in an attempt to push Melo closer to accepting a trade
b) this is "head fake" of trade (i.e. he has no intention of trading KP) in an attempt to push Dolan closer to firing him so he can collect $12mm a year for nothing
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
As Phil Jackson's stated publicly, he's not ruling out dealing anybody including Kristaps Porzingis. And the Celtics, who own the third overall pick in the NBA draft, want him.
Now that trade season is in full swing ahead of the draft, the Knicks have been flooded with interest in their star, sources confirmed. And according to a source, the Celtics are among the teams interested.
I like Josh Jackson but no thanks.
Anyone who makes Carmelo Anthony a victim is someone I cannot
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
Walsh executed a plan that a 10 year old could have executed. He did enough dumb shit in his time here and the only good thing he did was a no brainer for everyone to do.
Name one good thing he did that wasn't a no brainer
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Jeff ZillgittVerified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
This.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
I completely disagree. While there are a ton of draft busts, Jordan Hill was a TERRIBLE pick at the time that was compounded by the fact he played the same exact position as the Knicks' best player. He wasn't a terrible pick in hindsight... it was a terrible pick the second it was announced.
RE: RE: RE: Donnie Walsh was the most competent...
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
um...like I said, I could go on.
I know some other people and draftniks liked Hill,
Jeff ZillgittVerified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.
What the hell does that even mean? Wouldn't it be the opposite? Wouldn't trading away your best player HURT your cause more than help it?
GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
um...like I said, I could go on.
I get it, but I could expand on my point too. The immortal pat riley drafted Justise Winslow 10th overall. You could be a better shooter from your desk chair right now.
Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the
and Bargnani and folks telling me to chill. Good times.
I was told "draft picks don't matter" or some bs like that when I killed the bargs trade before it was even final. Not patting myself on the back...the whole world knew that was a dumb move.
RE: Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the
"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think most of us here were horrified by the Bargnani trade
but what is your point? If you're saying everyone makes lousy picks, fine. But nobody is arguing otherwise. If you're defending Walsh's overall tenure...well that's just dumb. We have a brand new stupid old fuck in charge making mistakes to complain about.
RE: RE: Even Walsh admitted that he was completely taken off-guard when the
"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.
As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.
Whatever. Your point about KP being unprofessional because he cut off communications has been totally undermined and you cant let it go.
The Knicks need to manage their relationship with KP, not the other way around. The Knicks are the ones running a foul organization, while KP works his ass off. If you want to put a pox on both houses, so be it. It's crazy IMO.
As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...
how is that saying omg great trade..
just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...
As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...
how is that saying omg great trade..
just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...
I was one who thought
nygiants16 : 12/15/2014 10:01 am : link
the pick was meaningless and that Bargs could turn it around in New York being the 2nd fiddle behind Melo an dnot having the pressure on him...
that finally forces fans to stay away. Attendance has been Dolan-proof for years. Maybe not any more...
I think the ones who buy tickets are the same ones who agree that you should be doing whatever you can to get as good as you can, as quickly as you can. I.e. the ones who agree with the Dolan model.
Shit, Im still having arguments here with people who defend the Rose trade.
have twice rooted for an opponent against my teams. A returning Patrick, a returning Piazza and now I shall root for KP to embarrass the Knicks. 45 and 12, do it.
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Janis Porzingis, Kristaps' brother, to ESPN: "Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York." More: https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/877189954509524992
While it's good news, the qualifier sticks out like a sore thumb.
b) this is "head fake" of trade (i.e. he has no intention of trading KP) in an attempt to push Dolan closer to firing him so he can collect $12mm a year for nothing
c) Dolan would block such a trade
One name of strong interest for Knicks and Bulls is Josh Jackson
One name of strong interest for Ash is Emily Ratajkowski.
Now that trade season is in full swing ahead of the draft, the Knicks have been flooded with interest in their star, sources confirmed. And according to a source, the Celtics are among the teams interested.
I like Josh Jackson but no thanks.
That's because he still did a mediocre to bad job.
Walsh executed a plan that a 10 year old could have executed. He did enough dumb shit in his time here and the only good thing he did was a no brainer for everyone to do.
Name one good thing he did that wasn't a no brainer
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Jeff ZillgittVerified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
This.
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
I completely disagree. While there are a ton of draft busts, Jordan Hill was a TERRIBLE pick at the time that was compounded by the fact he played the same exact position as the Knicks' best player. He wasn't a terrible pick in hindsight... it was a terrible pick the second it was announced.
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
um...like I said, I could go on.
Jeff ZillgittVerified account @JeffZillgitt 54s54 seconds ago
One person with knowledge of Knicks/Porzingis trade possibility characterized situation as job preservation for front office.
What the hell does that even mean? Wouldn't it be the opposite? Wouldn't trading away your best player HURT your cause more than help it?
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GM we've had since the turn of the century, yet many Knick fans bashed him. He executed a legit plan. Generally, the Knick fan is an insecure, arrogant & not very smart fan. And I don't mean to insult, I'm a Knick fan (not as much as I used to be).
his "involved" selling off useful players for pennies on the dollar LONG before he needed to. And then there's the whole Jordan Hill debacle. I could go on...
Things like Jordan Hill happen all the time in the NBA. The cavs blundered the number 1 pick on Anthony Bennett. The Lakers acquired Kwame Brown. In the context of NBA franchise malpractice, swinging and missing on Jordan Hill isn't a fireable offense.
um...like I said, I could go on.
I get it, but I could expand on my point too. The immortal pat riley drafted Justise Winslow 10th overall. You could be a better shooter from your desk chair right now.
That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
I was told "draft picks don't matter" or some bs like that when I killed the bargs trade before it was even final. Not patting myself on the back...the whole world knew that was a dumb move.
That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.
That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.
That's not saying much though. I mean when you've had Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas, Glen Grunwald and Phil Jackson, anyone would look compared to them.
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Warriors took Curry. He had his sights set on Curry and when he was taken, the Knicks were left scrambling.
That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
Still so much better than all the other crap we've had in the FO.
typical nonsense from some of the Knick fans around here. They love to set the bar incredibly low.
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"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.
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On the Kristaps Porzingis front, one exec who has been in touch with the Knicks describes their asking price as "very aggressive."
I think that was NYGiants16
People might've told you to chill about the player (Bargs)... literally no one thought it was a good idea to trade a 1st round pick for him.
That's terrible planning. There always needs to be a Plan B. Always.
maybe if he didnt blab it to the world...
walshs biggest problem, he let everything leak, everyone knew what he was doing
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
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"Around the NBA, the possibility of Jackson trading Porzingis, a uniquely talented and wildly popular 7-foot-3 player, has been met with bewilderment by rival executives eager to make a deal with New York. Since Porzingis frustrated with the level of dysfunction within the franchise skipped his season-ending exit meeting, the Knicks havent made an attempt to reach or visit him in Europe this summer, league sources told The Vertical."
So the Knicks have been the unprofessional ones now, right? Cutting off communications?
The Knicks are utterly failing in talent management, and some people want to turn it on the players. Ridiculous.
I think it's a two-way street, Deej. You think that KP is actively looking to talk to anyone in the Knicks FO? Seems like once the season ended, both parties wanted nothing to do with each other.
Whatever. Your point about KP being unprofessional because he cut off communications has been totally undermined and you cant let it go.
The Knicks need to manage their relationship with KP, not the other way around. The Knicks are the ones running a foul organization, while KP works his ass off. If you want to put a pox on both houses, so be it. It's crazy IMO.
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...
how is that saying omg great trade..
just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...
I think the only thing worse about trading KP is trading KP within the division, especially to the Celtics.
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As I recall, there was just one person defending it very vocally. Can't remember who it was.
I think that was NYGiants16
you sure about that? maybe i wasnt a whiny bitch about it but i didnt defend it...
i think what i said was i like the fit and i hope the 1st round pick doesnt bite us in the ass
IDK, but I seem to recall you saying that you thought that Bargs could turn it around in New York and that the first rounder would be meaningless then.
i said i hoped bargs would turn it around and that the knicks would continue to improve on their 54 win season and i hoped the 1st round pick did not turn into a lotto pick...
how is that saying omg great trade..
just because i dont whine and cry after every move thinking the sky is falling doesnt mean i am defending it...
I was one who thought
nygiants16 : 12/15/2014 10:01 am : link
the pick was meaningless and that Bargs could turn it around in New York being the 2nd fiddle behind Melo an dnot having the pressure on him...
Boy was i wrong
I think the ones who buy tickets are the same ones who agree that you should be doing whatever you can to get as good as you can, as quickly as you can. I.e. the ones who agree with the Dolan model.
Shit, Im still having arguments here with people who defend the Rose trade.
Not a big deal. I went looking for the thread but couldn't find it.