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NFT: Better Call Saul: Season Finale Tonight (6/19)

Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 12:46 pm
Should be some epically good television. The finale will run 16 minutes longer than usual.

Any thoughts? Predictions? With the outside chance the show doesn't get picked up for season 4, do you think this has a chance to include more closure than previous finales?
Before you continue any further  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
There likely will be spoilers in this thread.
Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
jcn56 : 6/19/2017 12:48 pm : link
I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.
RE: Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13503855 jcn56 said:
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I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.


Ive had that feeling too...seems like they've been setting him up for tragedy, as the bad guy trying to do a good thing for his father, but he's gone too far to resurrect himself now

They've really stepped up how much Jimmy is crossing the lines of decency in becoming Saul in recent weeks...I suspect things come to a head with Chuck where Jimmy crosses a point of no return

Should be great TV regardless of what happens
Still don't think Nacho is going anywhere  
BlackLight : 6/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
Thinking that Hector might find his new home in the wheelchair tonight.

If anyone of note dies tonight, I'm betting that it's Chuck.
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Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 1:58 pm : link
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Thinking that Hector might find his new home in the wheelchair tonight.


This I agree with.
Hope the show goes on  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 2:32 pm : link
Great show. No idea what happens tonight, but outside of what's already been mentioned -- maybe Kim loses the client due to missing the deadline, Mesa Verde gets nervous and pulls their business, Kim goes off the deep end and commits suicide.
I think Kim is too strong a character to kill herself.  
BigBlue in Keys : 6/19/2017 2:59 pm : link
I'll take a guess and say while in the hospital the Dr's find cancer by accident. This keeps her around next season, and also makes Jimmy more sympathetic to Walt in the future.
Favorite show going  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:02 pm : link
Can't wait
RE: Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13503855 jcn56 said:
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I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.


Isn't Nacho referenced once during BB as if he's alive? In Saul's first episode, when Walt and Jesse kidnap him and take him out to the desert, Saul references an Ignacio. That could be our Nacho, or it could mean nothing

Either way, I hope he's not gone. His scenes are great, could even say he's been underutilized.
kyle, the quote was  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 3:14 pm : link
“It wasn’t me! It was Ignacio! He’s the one!”

Yea I don't think Kim kills herself at this point, but lung cancer was definitely my thought for awhile with her.

I think Nacho has one more season before he bites it, definitely hope hector finds the wheelchair soon.

All I know is this season has been awesome by every measure. The closer the story gets to intertwining with BB, the more the intensity heats up. Gilligan is doing an awesome job here and I'm guessing he tries to get as much out of these characters as he can.
thanks LTS  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:29 pm : link
yeah, wonder if that's Nacho. But if they wanted to kill him off I'm sure they could easily explain away that line from BB season 2. I wonder if they'll do the same with Saul/Gus. In BB Saul says he didn't know Gus, only Mike did. But it feels like they'll be interacting on this show soon enough.

The patience and attention to the little details shown by Gilligan and his group is just amazing. They give you just enough pieces from the BB universe to keep that intensity going, while also continuing to demonstrate Jimmy's path towards his own breaking bad. It's just been fantastic.
I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 3:37 pm : link
so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool
RE: I think Kim is too strong a character to kill herself.  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13504017 BigBlue in Keys said:
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I'll take a guess and say while in the hospital the Dr's find cancer by accident. This keeps her around next season, and also makes Jimmy more sympathetic to Walt in the future.


I can see that.
I  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/19/2017 3:47 pm : link
would have a hard time believing that this is the end of the line for the show. I just looked back at the Breaking Bad ratings from a few years back and Better Call Saul has drawn more viewers Seasons 1 through 3 than Breaking Bad, with Season 3 of BCS still doing better numbers than season 3 of Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad's viewership never really hit until the split final season once word of mouth got so loud as to how good the show was and an end to all story-lines was in site. Breaking Bad went out of its way to close the loop on everything, every facet of the story line, that I have a hard time believing they will end the show tonight without addressing Jimmy in current day passing out at the Cinnabon, how Jimmy gets connected to Gus, Hectors disability, where Kim, Chuck, the entire firm of HHM, Sandpiper etc. I just don't see how all of that gets wrapped up in an hour of programming tonight.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least bit if after the episode you hear there will be one more 16 episode season similar to season 5 of Breaking Bad and that they are shifting the show to the fall season for added viewership. Breaking Bad each season started later and later into the year starting in January, then March, then July with the final season starting in August. Better Call Saul has already gone from a February start to April start this year, my guess is next year its moved to the fall Season to get more viewers.
RE: I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13504078 mfsd said:
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so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool


I can definitely see it happening at some point.

Remember Ken the shlub stock trader Kim and Jimmy scammed? WW blew up his car in BB after Ken stole his parking spot.

I'm kind of expecting more and more cameos in passing like that at this point.


And no chance in hell do they wrap Kim, Chuck, Nacho, Hector, all in this finale. Some of these storylines should definitely make it to next season. I hope Chuck is done though, he just annoys me.
I don't think Nacho dies  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
he would be next in line to run the business. If you look at breaking bad, Tuco is running the business, but we know he is in jail at this point and has a while before he gets out.

Nacho would be the natural person to take over if Hector were to have his stroke.

Next season would then show how Nacho runs the show, and Tuco taking over and eventually killing him before we get to BB.
RE: RE: I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13504108 GMenLTS said:
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so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool



I can definitely see it happening at some point.

Remember Ken the shlub stock trader Kim and Jimmy scammed? WW blew up his car in BB after Ken stole his parking spot.

I'm kind of expecting more and more cameos in passing like that at this point.


And no chance in hell do they wrap Kim, Chuck, Nacho, Hector, all in this finale. Some of these storylines should definitely make it to next season. I hope Chuck is done though, he just annoys me.


Agree about Chuck - Michael McKean has delivered a great acting performance...but he's gotten so much air time that at this point I think many of us are kinda over that storyline
I think it's pretty clear from the BB episode  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 6:38 pm : link
where Mike brought Jessie on all his "pickups" to ween him away from Walt that he basically took over for Nacho (the episode where Jessie smashed Mike's car into the Cadillac, then picked him up outside the diner). So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by.........












Tuco.
RE: I think it's pretty clear from the BB episode  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13504286 B in ALB said:
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where Mike brought Jessie on all his "pickups" to ween him away from Walt that he basically took over for Nacho (the episode where Jessie smashed Mike's car into the Cadillac, then picked him up outside the diner). So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by.........












Tuco.


Interesting theory - considering we know Tuco ends up re-establishing himself as a dealer, and taking care of an invalid Hector. It's possible he ends up seeking revenge on Nacho for whatever role he plays in what happens to Hector
exactly mfsd  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 6:53 pm : link
I could totally see Tuco entering the episode 3/4ths of the way in and being a hook for next season. He's a great character.
Tuco was amazing in training day  
DennyInDenville : 6/19/2017 7:19 pm : link
He was such a sick looking fuck in that scene where Jakes in the bathtub with a shotgun to his mouth from 3 ms13 gangbangers
Wow chuck is just ridiculous  
DennyInDenville : 6/19/2017 10:57 pm : link
That was pure insanity

What a guy. Hope this is the end for him..
That's it?  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 11:17 pm : link
Followed by a National Suicide Prevention Hotline number? Lame.
and down goes chuck  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 11:18 pm : link
kim gets lung cancer next season

hector gets knocked down a peg

lame to have absolutely no mike
Well, I think it's safe to say....  
Crispino : 6/19/2017 11:20 pm : link
we won't be seeing Chuck again. Wow. That was some serious drama. The scene with Chuck going completely over the edge was incredible. Some great acting and writing. Emmy Award worthy stuff.
Well Jimmy  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 11:29 pm : link
Redeemed himself regarding the issue a lot of posters took issue with in the last episode -- to his own detriment.

Honestly to this point Jimmy is more sympathetic than anything despite the fact that Talking Dead and the like refer to his dark nature.
well  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/20/2017 12:18 am : link
someone nailed this ending over a month ago;
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So, does Chuck die in a fire?
Beezer : 5/11/2017 10:22 am : link

Lantern.

Foreshadowing with the photo at the hearing, lantern on top of papers ... a bg deal is made, in retrospect, about how beautiful Chuck's VERY wooden home interior is.

So is "Saul Goodman" a reaction to Jimmy trashing his own name  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 12:26 am : link
and reputation with his regular clientele?
The opening scene suggests  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 12:47 am : link
that it might not be curtains for Chuck just yet. "Just wait and see."
Surprised  
mitch300 : 6/20/2017 12:59 am : link
No Mike.
RE: So is  
mfsd : 6/20/2017 8:03 am : link
In comment 13504471 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and reputation with his regular clientele?


That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet
RE: RE: So is  
WillVAB : 6/20/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13504521 mfsd said:
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and reputation with his regular clientele?



That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet


Jimmy didn't lose his share of the settlement. His actions simply induced the class to pull their agreement to settle.
RE: RE: RE: So is  
mfsd : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13504685 WillVAB said:
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and reputation with his regular clientele?



That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet



Jimmy didn't lose his share of the settlement. His actions simply induced the class to pull their agreement to settle.


Yup you are right. Point being, he took action that cost him his money, to fix the mess he made
I didn't think this episode was as enthralling as I had hoped  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 11:51 am : link
Still solid (they all are) but nothing groundbreaking other than the last minute. Going back to my debate with pjcas last week... with respect friend, I think this episode confirms that what he did was a selfish act and any good that came out of it was collateral upside. His conscious weighed so heavy that he went back and undid it all (granted, there was new info... the girls not accepting Irene again, though he had to know that was a risk).

Jimmy isn't a bad guy and he proved it last night, but he's capable of some pretty bad decisions and hurtful maneuvers.
Also, I gotta admit  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 11:53 am : link
I dind't understand Kim's 180 when she went from breaking down the cases again to doing a Blockbuster movie marathon. What was going on there? Did she just make a decision to chill the F out for a while?
Question on Gus  
5BowlsSoon : 6/20/2017 12:16 pm : link
Why do you think Gus was so determined to save his enemy, Hector?

I'm glad Kim turned it around. Don't know what to make of Jimmy's turn around except his guilty conscience won out at his expense.
Gus  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/20/2017 12:38 pm : link
already told Mike that quick death or revenge is too nice of a way for Hector to go (why he stopped Mike from killing him at the end of last season). Gus wants his own revenge due to the scene we see in Breaking Bad when Hector killed Gus' partner long ago. He didn't want Hector going out on a sudden heart attack, he wants to make it as painful and drawn out as possible and on his own terms.
RE: Gus  
5BowlsSoon : 6/20/2017 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13504882 Steve in Greenwich said:
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already told Mike that quick death or revenge is too nice of a way for Hector to go (why he stopped Mike from killing him at the end of last season). Gus wants his own revenge due to the scene we see in Breaking Bad when Hector killed Gus' partner long ago. He didn't want Hector going out on a sudden heart attack, he wants to make it as painful and drawn out as possible and on his own terms.


Thanks. I remember Gus saying he did not want a quick death, so I guess a heart attack is too quick for him. I'm sure Gus will be pleased though with the results of the heart attack.

One point about Jimmy....... doesn't Jimmy get it? Chuck doesn't like Jimmy. Just because they share the same blood doesn't mean they are brothers.
Chuck might be finished,  
Mr. Bungle : 6/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
but I don't think it's a sure thing. All we saw were flames in the window. Could just be a cliffhanger.
Re: Gus  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 2:14 pm : link
I think him wanting to save Hector had more to do with whatever "interests" he was implying when he first met with Mike on the highway - It wasn't in his "interest" for Hector to die, "at this time."

The later meeting where Gus talks about wanting Hector to suffer before he died was probably secondary. Ultimately, Gus is a pragmatist.
RE: Also, I gotta admit  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13504784 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I dind't understand Kim's 180 when she went from breaking down the cases again to doing a Blockbuster movie marathon. What was going on there? Did she just make a decision to chill the F out for a while?


Yeah, I think so. The scene before she talks about how she was working on basically zero sleep and burning the candle at both ends. The next scene, Francesca is talking about how the meetings can still be scheduled, and for a second, Kim's lawyer brain switched back on and she almost picked it back up again. But then she caught herself - realized that redlining her system nearly got herself killed in the first place. So she was kinda like, "Screw this."

One thing I actually really like about this episode is how Jimmy really took to being a caring, compassionate boyfriend and Kim didn't didn't blame him for the accident at all.
Based on much of what Gilligan's said  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 2:25 pm : link
I think Chuck is dead, but will still have a presence on the show via flashbacks.
if chuck dies  
Dankbeerman : 6/20/2017 8:04 pm : link
does jimmy get the 8 million buy out? that could cause him to make some very bad decisions. He is cursed, every angle he plays comes back 10 fold in him. He could ruin his relationship with kim and piss off the wrong people while trying to ope a fancy practice
RE: if chuck dies  
DennyInDenville : 6/20/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13505559 Dankbeerman said:
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does jimmy get the 8 million buy out? that could cause him to make some very bad decisions. He is cursed, every angle he plays comes back 10 fold in him. He could ruin his relationship with kim and piss off the wrong people while trying to ope a fancy practice

I would bet chuck made sure his will says Jimmy gets nothing, but extremely good observation indeed that you made.
Chuck had nothing left  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/20/2017 10:03 pm : link
No marriage, he abolished his brother, lost his firm, and the law can be wielded by his brother Jimmy. Chuck is such an asshole that no one really cares and he won't change. He is dead for sure.
I think the only way  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 11:25 pm : link
Jimmy gets any of Chuck's payout is if Chuck willed it to him. Very unlikely he did that.
RE: well  
Beezer : 6/21/2017 7:59 am : link
In comment 13504470 Steve in Greenwich said:
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someone nailed this ending over a month ago;


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So, does Chuck die in a fire?
Beezer : 5/11/2017 10:22 am : link

Lantern.

Foreshadowing with the photo at the hearing, lantern on top of papers ... a bg deal is made, in retrospect, about how beautiful Chuck's VERY wooden home interior is.



Boom, Bitches!
I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/21/2017 9:04 am : link
Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.

Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.

It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?
B  
fkap : 6/21/2017 9:07 am : link
"So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by........."

Nacho is Hector's right hand man. Hector and Gus, while working for the same boss, are rivals.

It's obvious, having seen BB, that Mike becomes a right hand man for Gus, but he doesn't replace Nacho, because Nacho is in the Hector faction.
RE: Re: Gus  
mfsd : 6/21/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13505120 BlackLight said:
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I think him wanting to save Hector had more to do with whatever "interests" he was implying when he first met with Mike on the highway - It wasn't in his "interest" for Hector to die, "at this time."

The later meeting where Gus talks about wanting Hector to suffer before he died was probably secondary. Ultimately, Gus is a pragmatist.


Agree with this - as we know from BB, Gus ultimately plans to knock the cartel out of the box. They hinted as much showing the scene this season where he's looking at the laundry as a possible site for his own meth lab.

Taking out Hector now would be foolish, as it would bring greater attention from the cartel, and put at risk the long game he's playing to eventually kill them all.

That, and we also know the deep hatred he has for Hector...and wants to cause him suffering, not a quick death
RE: I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Beezer : 6/21/2017 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13505849 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.

Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.

It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?


Pete, imo you're over-thinking it.

Everyone likes Jimmy (generally speaking). And no matter how much shit Jimmy slides into, he always seems to find his way out.

I think we need look no further than Jimmy and Chuck's Mom's final word - Jimmy - as she died in the hospital. Jimmy went for a damn sandwich, and dutiful Chuck was right there by her side, but it didn't matter - with her dying breath she called out for Jimmy.

Chuck knew Jimmy was a crook. He hated that Jimmy got what he did - a law degree - with much less toil.

It wasn't enough for Chuck that he built a monstrous law firm over his career. He obsessed about Jimmy getting too much credit ... about exposing Jimmy ... about few appreciating HIM and what HE did. I think that's why they showed the clip of Chuck reading to Jimmy when they were little boys. To let us know that Chuck ONCE DID care very much for his innocent little brother ... before he "broke bad."
You guys aren't even  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/21/2017 2:57 pm : link
mentioning that Chuck lost his law firm. He essentially has nothing to live for. He lost his wife, his sanity, his career, and his brother all very quickly.

He got sick because his wife left him. After telling Jimmy never to come back, he officially has no one in his corner. Not his brother, not his Hamlin. Nothing.

He can't get better and throw that party and its all because he treated everyone like an asshole. He could have retired, or encouraged his brother. But he burned bridges everywhere he went.
RE: RE: I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/21/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13506269 Beezer said:
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Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.

Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.

It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?



Pete, imo you're over-thinking it.

Everyone likes Jimmy (generally speaking). And no matter how much shit Jimmy slides into, he always seems to find his way out.

I think we need look no further than Jimmy and Chuck's Mom's final word - Jimmy - as she died in the hospital. Jimmy went for a damn sandwich, and dutiful Chuck was right there by her side, but it didn't matter - with her dying breath she called out for Jimmy.

Chuck knew Jimmy was a crook. He hated that Jimmy got what he did - a law degree - with much less toil.

It wasn't enough for Chuck that he built a monstrous law firm over his career. He obsessed about Jimmy getting too much credit ... about exposing Jimmy ... about few appreciating HIM and what HE did. I think that's why they showed the clip of Chuck reading to Jimmy when they were little boys. To let us know that Chuck ONCE DID care very much for his innocent little brother ... before he "broke bad."



I don't know Beez. Maybe you're correct and Chuck's illness was based on deep down resentment of Jimmy and not guilt. But they keep coming back to the store, as if there is something there we weren't shown yet.

Last year it was the clip of the vagrant ripping his father off and Chuck telling Kim there was $12,000 missing from their books. This season we saw sadness and remorse on Jimmy's face when he and Marco were collecting the coins he took from the drawer as a kid. Chuck also brought up the money again at Jimmy's hearing.

As bad as slippin Jimmy was, they have to show anything to make you think he would steal THAT kind of money from his parents. He wouldn't even take it from the Kettlemans in season 1. Maybe Chuck didn't take the money himself. I just think there is more to see about Jimmy, his Parents store and the missing $$.
One thing  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 3:55 pm : link
that sort of surprised me is HHM is supposed to be some premier law firm and Chuck is at least a one-third partner I imagine, was $9M a fair buyout price?

the other thing was I thought Jimmy was right and legitimately it was in the plaintiffs best interest to settle sandpiper, yet when he fell on his sword to "save" Irene he made it seem like there was no reason to settle and he only pushed for it for his own benefit.

which is it? I know he wanted to settle for himself, but wasn't it true the class members only stood to gain very little by waiting? Or was it all made up purely for Jimmy?
Yeah, I don't see how Chuck's condition was ever linked to Jimmy  
BlackLight : 6/21/2017 4:14 pm : link
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RE: Yeah, I don't see how Chuck's condition was ever linked to Jimmy  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/21/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13506620 BlackLight said:
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It was linked more to depression and loss.

- He lost his wife (He got sick)
- Jimmy practices law (He got worse)
- Loses his company (He started to slip)
- Loses his brother (He started to slip further)
- Has nothing left (Tears up his entire house and burns it down)
Ok got a few Qs  
Rover : 6/21/2017 4:51 pm : link
1). When Chuck said that Jimmy never mattered, did he mean it or it was it self defense from his own sadness?

2). Why did Kim decide to go on break? I assume Mesa Verde is done?

3). Did Nacho switch the pills back? If so, what would he have done if Hector had the heart attack & he wasn't present?

4). I wonder if Victor or Gus know what Nacho did?
RE: Ok got a few Qs  
BlackLight : 6/21/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13506666 Rover said:
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1). When Chuck said that Jimmy never mattered, did he mean it or it was it self defense from his own sadness?


I think he meant it. He had convinced himself that he was better (clean, orderly house). In the moment, he probably thought he had a clean slate and best to sever all ties to his former life. But then he started the death spiral.

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2). Why did Kim decide to go on break? I assume Mesa Verde is done?


I don't think it is. I think she had a realization that burning the candle at both ends had nearly killed her, and she wasn't going to start back down that road again.

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3). Did Nacho switch the pills back? If so, what would he have done if Hector had the heart attack & he wasn't present?


Then he would've run a greater risk of being found out. When we left him, I don't think he had switched the pills back. Nacho's plan had always entailed some risk of being found out.

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4). I wonder if Victor or Gus know what Nacho did?


The way Gus was looking at him, he appears to suspect something. Victor didn't look as though he suspected anything, but he was busy calling 911.
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Mike in Long Beach : 6/21/2017 5:09 pm : link
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The way Gus was looking at him, he appears to suspect something. Victor didn't look as though he suspected anything, but he was busy calling 911.


Definitely.

- Mike knew about Nacho's move
- Gus warned mike not to kill Hector when he was going to (so Mike knows Gus has a strong stake in how Hector goes down).
- Gus and Mike are now working together.

So it's certainly plausible (if not extremely likely) that Mike informed Gus on what was happening.
Also, it's so sad watching all this and knowing  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/21/2017 5:10 pm : link
Hector ultimately gets the last laugh. God damnit, Walt.
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BlackLight : 6/21/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13506691 Mike in Long Beach said:
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The way Gus was looking at him, he appears to suspect something. Victor didn't look as though he suspected anything, but he was busy calling 911.




Definitely.

- Mike knew about Nacho's move
- Gus warned mike not to kill Hector when he was going to (so Mike knows Gus has a strong stake in how Hector goes down).
- Gus and Mike are now working together.

So it's certainly plausible (if not extremely likely) that Mike informed Gus on what was happening.


Yeah, I don't think Mike told Gus anything. Gus's stake in Hector's death seems mostly a function of when, not how or who does it. And I suspect that that moment wasn't the right "When" for Gus's interests.

All we know is that Mike wanted Hector dead, and Gus didn't (as of earlier in the season). Maybe Gus had changed his mind and would've let an attempt on Hector's life go through by season's end, but I don't think Mike could intuit that. So why risk telling Gus about Nacho's plan, as Gus might try to put the kibosh on the whole thing (getting Nacho killed as a result)?

When Hector's heart gives out, Nacho hangs back and watches him go down, and does nothing put pick up scattered pills on the pavement while Gus does CPR. My assumption is that Gus feels something off about Nacho, based on his response to Hector's heart attack.
RE: Also, it's so sad watching all this and knowing  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13506694 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Hector ultimately gets the last laugh. God damnit, Walt.


Sad? I loved the dual demise, thought it was brilliant and applauded both deaths. Heisenberg at his best.
RE: Well Jimmy  
Rover : 6/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13504460 WillVAB said:
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Redeemed himself regarding the issue a lot of posters took issue with in the last episode -- to his own detriment.

Honestly to this point Jimmy is more sympathetic than anything despite the fact that Talking Dead and the like refer to his dark nature.

No. Jimmy DIDNT make it right.
He ruined Irene & that community.
Those wounds will NEVER heel, it will never be the same.
That's why Chuck was right about Jimmy, he sucks everyone down around him.
RE: I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Rover : 6/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13505849 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.

Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.

It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?

The first two paragraphs are spot on. Chuck is clearly repressing his emotions & coping by over focusing on the subtle electrical currents.

Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.
RE: RE: I licked how they seemed to confirm  
BlackLight : 6/21/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13506895 Rover said:
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Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.


If that wasn't a suicide attempt, what do think was the plan there?
Bonus scene from Episode 3.10  
BlackLight : 6/21/2017 11:31 pm : link
Didn't air, but it's on the show website.
B-I-N-G-O - ( New Window )
What a boring episode, lol  
Route 9 : 6/22/2017 12:45 am : link
Chuck is so annoying
Gus knows all  
fkap : 6/22/2017 8:47 am : link
except what it means when Hector rings the bell, until it was too late.

that aspect of him always annoyed the crap out of me in BB. He always knew everything, even when it didn't make sense that he would know (like Mike planning to kill Hector). It's like he's some magical, slow, plodding, guy who can clean tables at his fast food restaurant, yet still has time to think of everything (like Mike's blood type to store up in advance) and keep track of everything, and run his empire. It's a great image, but not realistic.
I'm always entertained by this show and enjoy it  
Metnut : 6/22/2017 9:35 am : link
but always a little disappointed that the big episodes don't deliver more. Random thoughts:

- No Mike?

- Chuck might be one of my most despised characters on TV but seeing him completely break down the past few eps was hard to watch.

- Gus definitely knows something was up with Nacho/Hector. I bet we see a "flashback" with Gus and Mike in the season premier next episode

- Chuck telling Jimmy that he hurts everyone around him makes me think Kim won't make it past season 4

- I actually like Hamlin. He's put up with a lot of shit from the McGill brothers and actually tried to do right with Chuck

- The actor who plays don hector is old as fuck. He was old during breaking bad and he was old when he played the Italian boss for a few seasons on Oz back in the 90s.

So what WAs driving Chuck's meter?  
GiantNatty : 6/22/2017 10:09 am : link
I thought it was going to be something Mike planted when he worked on Chuck's door. Was that it?
RE: So what WAs driving Chuck's meter?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13507376 GiantNatty said:
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I thought it was going to be something Mike planted when he worked on Chuck's door. Was that it?


I'm going to say it was all in his head.
RE: RE: RE: I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Rover : 6/22/2017 11:32 am : link
In comment 13507111 BlackLight said:
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Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.



If that wasn't a suicide attempt, what do think was the plan there?

An accident, lack of awareness.
So If Chuck is gone  
Ron Johnson : 6/22/2017 11:42 am : link
does Jimmy inherit the 9 million?
RE: So If Chuck is gone  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13507529 Ron Johnson said:
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does Jimmy inherit the 9 million?


Great question. Who knows what he put in his will, or if he even updated it.
RE: So If Chuck is gone  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13507529 Ron Johnson said:
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does Jimmy inherit the 9 million?


My guess is Chuck had a will and I'd guess it avoid Jimmy inheriting anything.

Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.

Lastly based on his winding up as Cinnabon Gene doesn't seem like he's got $9M lying around.
RE: RE: So If Chuck is gone  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13507547 pjcas18 said:
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does Jimmy inherit the 9 million?



My guess is Chuck had a will and I'd guess it avoid Jimmy inheriting anything.

Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.

Lastly based on his winding up as Cinnabon Gene doesn't seem like he's got $9M lying around.


Maybe Chuck gives Jimmy a small portion. Jimmy just doesn't have all this money to get a new office and change his name, and film new commercials from just out of thin air. The man is broke. Maybe the lawyers settle and he gets his buy out, but that's a maybe.
what was Saul/Jimmy driving  
fkap : 6/22/2017 12:45 pm : link
when he first appeared on BB? I can't remember. don't think it was the beater he drives now.

Answer that question, it answers whether Saul gets his settlement or an inheritance.
The fact that Jimmy was running his practice  
BlackLight : 6/22/2017 1:12 pm : link
out of a strip mall in Breaking Bad seems a pretty clear indication he didn't have a ton of cash lying around.

I spent all of 2 minutes researching inheritance law in the state of New Mexico. Basically, if Chuck had a will, the only way Jimmy inherits anything is if Chuck named him in the will. If there was no will (unlikely, IMO), then under intestate succession laws, Jimmy would get all of Chuck's assets.

Hard to imagine a guy like Chuck would not have had a will at some point.

RE: The fact that Jimmy was running his practice  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13507706 BlackLight said:
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out of a strip mall in Breaking Bad seems a pretty clear indication he didn't have a ton of cash lying around.

I spent all of 2 minutes researching inheritance law in the state of New Mexico. Basically, if Chuck had a will, the only way Jimmy inherits anything is if Chuck named him in the will. If there was no will (unlikely, IMO), then under intestate succession laws, Jimmy would get all of Chuck's assets.

Hard to imagine a guy like Chuck would not have had a will at some point.


Totally think he had 1, but do you think he reworked the will before he offed himself. I doubt it.

I guess we will find out next season, just how much he really cared for his brother.
What I guess could be  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2017 1:44 pm : link
feasible is to suggest Jimmy doctored the will.

Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.

Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.

but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.

Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.
RE: B  
B in ALB : 6/22/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13505857 fkap said:
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"So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by........."

Nacho is Hector's right hand man. Hector and Gus, while working for the same boss, are rivals.

It's obvious, having seen BB, that Mike becomes a right hand man for Gus, but he doesn't replace Nacho, because Nacho is in the Hector faction.


Yeah but I see Gus consolidating Hectors operation once he's out of the picture. And that's very soon. Gus is the new single source for Don Aladio.
RE: What I guess could be  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13507762 pjcas18 said:
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feasible is to suggest Jimmy doctored the will.

Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.

Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.

but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.

Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.


I think the strip mall office was on purpose to make himself more accessible to his new clientele - criminals and drug dealers.
RE: RE: What I guess could be  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13507788 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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feasible is to suggest Jimmy doctored the will.

Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.

Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.

but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.

Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.



I think the strip mall office was on purpose to make himself more accessible to his new clientele - criminals and drug dealers.

Right, plus most of his money (in BB) was probably from illegal sources, so he couldn't have some flashy HHM-like digs.

that was my point. He could have money, but for a variety of reasons not flaunt it.
RE: What I guess could be  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13507762 pjcas18 said:
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feasible is to suggest Jimmy doctored the will.

Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.

Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.

but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.

Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.


Well Jimmy plays to his audience. So he could be playing himself down. Are criminals more likely to go to a strip mall or some large corporate office? Are they going to be more receptive to a cheap suit or super expensive one? Do they want someone who is going to flaunt their money or keep it under tight watch?

Hell he started wearing clothes like Matlock just to get some business.
How about that $3 million from Howard?  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2017 2:11 pm : link
It was odd they showed that exchange only for the check to burn up by the end of the episode.

If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?
RE: How about that $3 million from Howard?  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13507831 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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It was odd they showed that exchange only for the check to burn up by the end of the episode.

If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?


Yeah, that's why I said this above:

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Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.
RE: RE: How about that $3 million from Howard?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/22/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13507846 pjcas18 said:
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It was odd they showed that exchange only for the check to burn up by the end of the episode.

If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?



Yeah, that's why I said this above:



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Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.



Wait... No one knows about the personal check from Howard. It burns in the fire, wouldn't they have to pay out Chuck's shares of the company to someone, or someone would inherit that? Is this Chucks way of getting revenge on Howard?

By the way, even though Howard acts real smug. He really isn't half the asshole everyone thought he was in the beginning of the show.
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