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NFT: Better Call Saul: Season Finale Tonight (6/19)

Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 12:46 pm
Should be some epically good television. The finale will run 16 minutes longer than usual.

Any thoughts? Predictions? With the outside chance the show doesn't get picked up for season 4, do you think this has a chance to include more closure than previous finales?
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Before you continue any further  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
There likely will be spoilers in this thread.
Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
jcn56 : 6/19/2017 12:48 pm : link
I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.
RE: Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13503855 jcn56 said:
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I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.


Ive had that feeling too...seems like they've been setting him up for tragedy, as the bad guy trying to do a good thing for his father, but he's gone too far to resurrect himself now

They've really stepped up how much Jimmy is crossing the lines of decency in becoming Saul in recent weeks...I suspect things come to a head with Chuck where Jimmy crosses a point of no return

Should be great TV regardless of what happens
Still don't think Nacho is going anywhere  
BlackLight : 6/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
Thinking that Hector might find his new home in the wheelchair tonight.

If anyone of note dies tonight, I'm betting that it's Chuck.
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Mike in Long Beach : 6/19/2017 1:58 pm : link
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Thinking that Hector might find his new home in the wheelchair tonight.


This I agree with.
Hope the show goes on  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 2:32 pm : link
Great show. No idea what happens tonight, but outside of what's already been mentioned -- maybe Kim loses the client due to missing the deadline, Mesa Verde gets nervous and pulls their business, Kim goes off the deep end and commits suicide.
I think Kim is too strong a character to kill herself.  
BigBlue in Keys : 6/19/2017 2:59 pm : link
I'll take a guess and say while in the hospital the Dr's find cancer by accident. This keeps her around next season, and also makes Jimmy more sympathetic to Walt in the future.
Favorite show going  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:02 pm : link
Can't wait
RE: Gut feeling, nothing to base it on  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13503855 jcn56 said:
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I get the impression Nacho is a dead man tonight.


Isn't Nacho referenced once during BB as if he's alive? In Saul's first episode, when Walt and Jesse kidnap him and take him out to the desert, Saul references an Ignacio. That could be our Nacho, or it could mean nothing

Either way, I hope he's not gone. His scenes are great, could even say he's been underutilized.
kyle, the quote was  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 3:14 pm : link
“It wasn’t me! It was Ignacio! He’s the one!”

Yea I don't think Kim kills herself at this point, but lung cancer was definitely my thought for awhile with her.

I think Nacho has one more season before he bites it, definitely hope hector finds the wheelchair soon.

All I know is this season has been awesome by every measure. The closer the story gets to intertwining with BB, the more the intensity heats up. Gilligan is doing an awesome job here and I'm guessing he tries to get as much out of these characters as he can.
thanks LTS  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2017 3:29 pm : link
yeah, wonder if that's Nacho. But if they wanted to kill him off I'm sure they could easily explain away that line from BB season 2. I wonder if they'll do the same with Saul/Gus. In BB Saul says he didn't know Gus, only Mike did. But it feels like they'll be interacting on this show soon enough.

The patience and attention to the little details shown by Gilligan and his group is just amazing. They give you just enough pieces from the BB universe to keep that intensity going, while also continuing to demonstrate Jimmy's path towards his own breaking bad. It's just been fantastic.
I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 3:37 pm : link
so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool
RE: I think Kim is too strong a character to kill herself.  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13504017 BigBlue in Keys said:
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I'll take a guess and say while in the hospital the Dr's find cancer by accident. This keeps her around next season, and also makes Jimmy more sympathetic to Walt in the future.


I can see that.
I  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/19/2017 3:47 pm : link
would have a hard time believing that this is the end of the line for the show. I just looked back at the Breaking Bad ratings from a few years back and Better Call Saul has drawn more viewers Seasons 1 through 3 than Breaking Bad, with Season 3 of BCS still doing better numbers than season 3 of Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad's viewership never really hit until the split final season once word of mouth got so loud as to how good the show was and an end to all story-lines was in site. Breaking Bad went out of its way to close the loop on everything, every facet of the story line, that I have a hard time believing they will end the show tonight without addressing Jimmy in current day passing out at the Cinnabon, how Jimmy gets connected to Gus, Hectors disability, where Kim, Chuck, the entire firm of HHM, Sandpiper etc. I just don't see how all of that gets wrapped up in an hour of programming tonight.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least bit if after the episode you hear there will be one more 16 episode season similar to season 5 of Breaking Bad and that they are shifting the show to the fall season for added viewership. Breaking Bad each season started later and later into the year starting in January, then March, then July with the final season starting in August. Better Call Saul has already gone from a February start to April start this year, my guess is next year its moved to the fall Season to get more viewers.
RE: I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13504078 mfsd said:
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so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool


I can definitely see it happening at some point.

Remember Ken the shlub stock trader Kim and Jimmy scammed? WW blew up his car in BB after Ken stole his parking spot.

I'm kind of expecting more and more cameos in passing like that at this point.


And no chance in hell do they wrap Kim, Chuck, Nacho, Hector, all in this finale. Some of these storylines should definitely make it to next season. I hope Chuck is done though, he just annoys me.
I don't think Nacho dies  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
he would be next in line to run the business. If you look at breaking bad, Tuco is running the business, but we know he is in jail at this point and has a while before he gets out.

Nacho would be the natural person to take over if Hector were to have his stroke.

Next season would then show how Nacho runs the show, and Tuco taking over and eventually killing him before we get to BB.
RE: RE: I generally avoid public spoilers for shows like these  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13504108 GMenLTS said:
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so don't know if this could have been confirmed or not already (and don't want to know), but I've wondered if we could see an unexpected appearance by Walt or Jessie at some point too. That would be pretty cool



I can definitely see it happening at some point.

Remember Ken the shlub stock trader Kim and Jimmy scammed? WW blew up his car in BB after Ken stole his parking spot.

I'm kind of expecting more and more cameos in passing like that at this point.


And no chance in hell do they wrap Kim, Chuck, Nacho, Hector, all in this finale. Some of these storylines should definitely make it to next season. I hope Chuck is done though, he just annoys me.


Agree about Chuck - Michael McKean has delivered a great acting performance...but he's gotten so much air time that at this point I think many of us are kinda over that storyline
I think it's pretty clear from the BB episode  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 6:38 pm : link
where Mike brought Jessie on all his "pickups" to ween him away from Walt that he basically took over for Nacho (the episode where Jessie smashed Mike's car into the Cadillac, then picked him up outside the diner). So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by.........












Tuco.
RE: I think it's pretty clear from the BB episode  
mfsd : 6/19/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13504286 B in ALB said:
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where Mike brought Jessie on all his "pickups" to ween him away from Walt that he basically took over for Nacho (the episode where Jessie smashed Mike's car into the Cadillac, then picked him up outside the diner). So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by.........












Tuco.


Interesting theory - considering we know Tuco ends up re-establishing himself as a dealer, and taking care of an invalid Hector. It's possible he ends up seeking revenge on Nacho for whatever role he plays in what happens to Hector
exactly mfsd  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 6:53 pm : link
I could totally see Tuco entering the episode 3/4ths of the way in and being a hook for next season. He's a great character.
Tuco was amazing in training day  
DennyInDenville : 6/19/2017 7:19 pm : link
He was such a sick looking fuck in that scene where Jakes in the bathtub with a shotgun to his mouth from 3 ms13 gangbangers
Wow chuck is just ridiculous  
DennyInDenville : 6/19/2017 10:57 pm : link
That was pure insanity

What a guy. Hope this is the end for him..
That's it?  
B in ALB : 6/19/2017 11:17 pm : link
Followed by a National Suicide Prevention Hotline number? Lame.
and down goes chuck  
GMenLTS : 6/19/2017 11:18 pm : link
kim gets lung cancer next season

hector gets knocked down a peg

lame to have absolutely no mike
Well, I think it's safe to say....  
Crispino : 6/19/2017 11:20 pm : link
we won't be seeing Chuck again. Wow. That was some serious drama. The scene with Chuck going completely over the edge was incredible. Some great acting and writing. Emmy Award worthy stuff.
Well Jimmy  
WillVAB : 6/19/2017 11:29 pm : link
Redeemed himself regarding the issue a lot of posters took issue with in the last episode -- to his own detriment.

Honestly to this point Jimmy is more sympathetic than anything despite the fact that Talking Dead and the like refer to his dark nature.
well  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/20/2017 12:18 am : link
someone nailed this ending over a month ago;
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So, does Chuck die in a fire?
Beezer : 5/11/2017 10:22 am : link

Lantern.

Foreshadowing with the photo at the hearing, lantern on top of papers ... a bg deal is made, in retrospect, about how beautiful Chuck's VERY wooden home interior is.

So is "Saul Goodman" a reaction to Jimmy trashing his own name  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 12:26 am : link
and reputation with his regular clientele?
The opening scene suggests  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 12:47 am : link
that it might not be curtains for Chuck just yet. "Just wait and see."
Surprised  
mitch300 : 6/20/2017 12:59 am : link
No Mike.
RE: So is  
mfsd : 6/20/2017 8:03 am : link
In comment 13504471 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and reputation with his regular clientele?


That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet
RE: RE: So is  
WillVAB : 6/20/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13504521 mfsd said:
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and reputation with his regular clientele?



That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet


Jimmy didn't lose his share of the settlement. His actions simply induced the class to pull their agreement to settle.
RE: RE: RE: So is  
mfsd : 6/20/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13504685 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13504471 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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and reputation with his regular clientele?



That's how I read that scene...but of course there could be more to it as well.

Brilliant acting from McKean during his final meltdown, wow.

And I found the turn of events with Kim and Jimmy to be interesting...she finally stops to think for a minute, and gives up trying to do the work of 10 lawyers...while at the same time, Jimmy has a final rush of conscience and sets in motion the loss of his share of the settlement bc he realizes what an awful thing he did to the old lady.

Which sets up the need for Jimmy to turn Saul next season to support both of them I bet



Jimmy didn't lose his share of the settlement. His actions simply induced the class to pull their agreement to settle.


Yup you are right. Point being, he took action that cost him his money, to fix the mess he made
I didn't think this episode was as enthralling as I had hoped  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 11:51 am : link
Still solid (they all are) but nothing groundbreaking other than the last minute. Going back to my debate with pjcas last week... with respect friend, I think this episode confirms that what he did was a selfish act and any good that came out of it was collateral upside. His conscious weighed so heavy that he went back and undid it all (granted, there was new info... the girls not accepting Irene again, though he had to know that was a risk).

Jimmy isn't a bad guy and he proved it last night, but he's capable of some pretty bad decisions and hurtful maneuvers.
Also, I gotta admit  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 11:53 am : link
I dind't understand Kim's 180 when she went from breaking down the cases again to doing a Blockbuster movie marathon. What was going on there? Did she just make a decision to chill the F out for a while?
Question on Gus  
5BowlsSoon : 6/20/2017 12:16 pm : link
Why do you think Gus was so determined to save his enemy, Hector?

I'm glad Kim turned it around. Don't know what to make of Jimmy's turn around except his guilty conscience won out at his expense.
Gus  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/20/2017 12:38 pm : link
already told Mike that quick death or revenge is too nice of a way for Hector to go (why he stopped Mike from killing him at the end of last season). Gus wants his own revenge due to the scene we see in Breaking Bad when Hector killed Gus' partner long ago. He didn't want Hector going out on a sudden heart attack, he wants to make it as painful and drawn out as possible and on his own terms.
RE: Gus  
5BowlsSoon : 6/20/2017 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13504882 Steve in Greenwich said:
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already told Mike that quick death or revenge is too nice of a way for Hector to go (why he stopped Mike from killing him at the end of last season). Gus wants his own revenge due to the scene we see in Breaking Bad when Hector killed Gus' partner long ago. He didn't want Hector going out on a sudden heart attack, he wants to make it as painful and drawn out as possible and on his own terms.


Thanks. I remember Gus saying he did not want a quick death, so I guess a heart attack is too quick for him. I'm sure Gus will be pleased though with the results of the heart attack.

One point about Jimmy....... doesn't Jimmy get it? Chuck doesn't like Jimmy. Just because they share the same blood doesn't mean they are brothers.
Chuck might be finished,  
Mr. Bungle : 6/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
but I don't think it's a sure thing. All we saw were flames in the window. Could just be a cliffhanger.
Re: Gus  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 2:14 pm : link
I think him wanting to save Hector had more to do with whatever "interests" he was implying when he first met with Mike on the highway - It wasn't in his "interest" for Hector to die, "at this time."

The later meeting where Gus talks about wanting Hector to suffer before he died was probably secondary. Ultimately, Gus is a pragmatist.
RE: Also, I gotta admit  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13504784 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I dind't understand Kim's 180 when she went from breaking down the cases again to doing a Blockbuster movie marathon. What was going on there? Did she just make a decision to chill the F out for a while?


Yeah, I think so. The scene before she talks about how she was working on basically zero sleep and burning the candle at both ends. The next scene, Francesca is talking about how the meetings can still be scheduled, and for a second, Kim's lawyer brain switched back on and she almost picked it back up again. But then she caught herself - realized that redlining her system nearly got herself killed in the first place. So she was kinda like, "Screw this."

One thing I actually really like about this episode is how Jimmy really took to being a caring, compassionate boyfriend and Kim didn't didn't blame him for the accident at all.
Based on much of what Gilligan's said  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2017 2:25 pm : link
I think Chuck is dead, but will still have a presence on the show via flashbacks.
if chuck dies  
Dankbeerman : 6/20/2017 8:04 pm : link
does jimmy get the 8 million buy out? that could cause him to make some very bad decisions. He is cursed, every angle he plays comes back 10 fold in him. He could ruin his relationship with kim and piss off the wrong people while trying to ope a fancy practice
RE: if chuck dies  
DennyInDenville : 6/20/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13505559 Dankbeerman said:
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does jimmy get the 8 million buy out? that could cause him to make some very bad decisions. He is cursed, every angle he plays comes back 10 fold in him. He could ruin his relationship with kim and piss off the wrong people while trying to ope a fancy practice

I would bet chuck made sure his will says Jimmy gets nothing, but extremely good observation indeed that you made.
Chuck had nothing left  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/20/2017 10:03 pm : link
No marriage, he abolished his brother, lost his firm, and the law can be wielded by his brother Jimmy. Chuck is such an asshole that no one really cares and he won't change. He is dead for sure.
I think the only way  
BlackLight : 6/20/2017 11:25 pm : link
Jimmy gets any of Chuck's payout is if Chuck willed it to him. Very unlikely he did that.
RE: well  
Beezer : 6/21/2017 7:59 am : link
In comment 13504470 Steve in Greenwich said:
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someone nailed this ending over a month ago;


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So, does Chuck die in a fire?
Beezer : 5/11/2017 10:22 am : link

Lantern.

Foreshadowing with the photo at the hearing, lantern on top of papers ... a bg deal is made, in retrospect, about how beautiful Chuck's VERY wooden home interior is.



Boom, Bitches!
I licked how they seemed to confirm  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/21/2017 9:04 am : link
Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.

Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.

It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?
B  
fkap : 6/21/2017 9:07 am : link
"So very soon in the future, Nacho is fading out of the picture and Mike is the new guy for Gus. I wouldn't be surprised if Nacho hangs in there for a bit but then he gets killed by........."

Nacho is Hector's right hand man. Hector and Gus, while working for the same boss, are rivals.

It's obvious, having seen BB, that Mike becomes a right hand man for Gus, but he doesn't replace Nacho, because Nacho is in the Hector faction.
RE: Re: Gus  
mfsd : 6/21/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13505120 BlackLight said:
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I think him wanting to save Hector had more to do with whatever "interests" he was implying when he first met with Mike on the highway - It wasn't in his "interest" for Hector to die, "at this time."

The later meeting where Gus talks about wanting Hector to suffer before he died was probably secondary. Ultimately, Gus is a pragmatist.


Agree with this - as we know from BB, Gus ultimately plans to knock the cartel out of the box. They hinted as much showing the scene this season where he's looking at the laundry as a possible site for his own meth lab.

Taking out Hector now would be foolish, as it would bring greater attention from the cartel, and put at risk the long game he's playing to eventually kill them all.

That, and we also know the deep hatred he has for Hector...and wants to cause him suffering, not a quick death
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