Should be some epically good television. The finale will run 16 minutes longer than usual.
Any thoughts? Predictions? With the outside chance the show doesn't get picked up for season 4, do you think this has a chance to include more closure than previous finales?
Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.
It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?
Pete, imo you're over-thinking it.
Everyone likes Jimmy (generally speaking). And no matter how much shit Jimmy slides into, he always seems to find his way out.
I think we need look no further than Jimmy and Chuck's Mom's final word - Jimmy - as she died in the hospital. Jimmy went for a damn sandwich, and dutiful Chuck was right there by her side, but it didn't matter - with her dying breath she called out for Jimmy.
Chuck knew Jimmy was a crook. He hated that Jimmy got what he did - a law degree - with much less toil.
It wasn't enough for Chuck that he built a monstrous law firm over his career. He obsessed about Jimmy getting too much credit ... about exposing Jimmy ... about few appreciating HIM and what HE did. I think that's why they showed the clip of Chuck reading to Jimmy when they were little boys. To let us know that Chuck ONCE DID care very much for his innocent little brother ... before he "broke bad."
He got sick because his wife left him. After telling Jimmy never to come back, he officially has no one in his corner. Not his brother, not his Hamlin. Nothing.
He can't get better and throw that party and its all because he treated everyone like an asshole. He could have retired, or encouraged his brother. But he burned bridges everywhere he went.
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Chuck's condition is directly linked to Jimmy. In the 1st season, anytime Jimmy did something shady Chuck would relapse.
Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.
It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?
Pete, imo you're over-thinking it.
Everyone likes Jimmy (generally speaking). And no matter how much shit Jimmy slides into, he always seems to find his way out.
I think we need look no further than Jimmy and Chuck's Mom's final word - Jimmy - as she died in the hospital. Jimmy went for a damn sandwich, and dutiful Chuck was right there by her side, but it didn't matter - with her dying breath she called out for Jimmy.
Chuck knew Jimmy was a crook. He hated that Jimmy got what he did - a law degree - with much less toil.
It wasn't enough for Chuck that he built a monstrous law firm over his career. He obsessed about Jimmy getting too much credit ... about exposing Jimmy ... about few appreciating HIM and what HE did. I think that's why they showed the clip of Chuck reading to Jimmy when they were little boys. To let us know that Chuck ONCE DID care very much for his innocent little brother ... before he "broke bad."
I don't know Beez. Maybe you're correct and Chuck's illness was based on deep down resentment of Jimmy and not guilt. But they keep coming back to the store, as if there is something there we weren't shown yet.
Last year it was the clip of the vagrant ripping his father off and Chuck telling Kim there was $12,000 missing from their books. This season we saw sadness and remorse on Jimmy's face when he and Marco were collecting the coins he took from the drawer as a kid. Chuck also brought up the money again at Jimmy's hearing.
As bad as slippin Jimmy was, they have to show anything to make you think he would steal THAT kind of money from his parents. He wouldn't even take it from the Kettlemans in season 1. Maybe Chuck didn't take the money himself. I just think there is more to see about Jimmy, his Parents store and the missing $$.
the other thing was I thought Jimmy was right and legitimately it was in the plaintiffs best interest to settle sandpiper, yet when he fell on his sword to "save" Irene he made it seem like there was no reason to settle and he only pushed for it for his own benefit.
which is it? I know he wanted to settle for himself, but wasn't it true the class members only stood to gain very little by waiting? Or was it all made up purely for Jimmy?
It was linked more to depression and loss.
- He lost his wife (He got sick)
- Jimmy practices law (He got worse)
- Loses his company (He started to slip)
- Loses his brother (He started to slip further)
- Has nothing left (Tears up his entire house and burns it down)
2). Why did Kim decide to go on break? I assume Mesa Verde is done?
3). Did Nacho switch the pills back? If so, what would he have done if Hector had the heart attack & he wasn't present?
4). I wonder if Victor or Gus know what Nacho did?
I think he meant it. He had convinced himself that he was better (clean, orderly house). In the moment, he probably thought he had a clean slate and best to sever all ties to his former life. But then he started the death spiral.
I don't think it is. I think she had a realization that burning the candle at both ends had nearly killed her, and she wasn't going to start back down that road again.
Then he would've run a greater risk of being found out. When we left him, I don't think he had switched the pills back. Nacho's plan had always entailed some risk of being found out.
The way Gus was looking at him, he appears to suspect something. Victor didn't look as though he suspected anything, but he was busy calling 911.
Definitely.
- Mike knew about Nacho's move
- Gus warned mike not to kill Hector when he was going to (so Mike knows Gus has a strong stake in how Hector goes down).
- Gus and Mike are now working together.
So it's certainly plausible (if not extremely likely) that Mike informed Gus on what was happening.
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The way Gus was looking at him, he appears to suspect something. Victor didn't look as though he suspected anything, but he was busy calling 911.
Definitely.
- Mike knew about Nacho's move
- Gus warned mike not to kill Hector when he was going to (so Mike knows Gus has a strong stake in how Hector goes down).
- Gus and Mike are now working together.
So it's certainly plausible (if not extremely likely) that Mike informed Gus on what was happening.
Yeah, I don't think Mike told Gus anything. Gus's stake in Hector's death seems mostly a function of when, not how or who does it. And I suspect that that moment wasn't the right "When" for Gus's interests.
All we know is that Mike wanted Hector dead, and Gus didn't (as of earlier in the season). Maybe Gus had changed his mind and would've let an attempt on Hector's life go through by season's end, but I don't think Mike could intuit that. So why risk telling Gus about Nacho's plan, as Gus might try to put the kibosh on the whole thing (getting Nacho killed as a result)?
When Hector's heart gives out, Nacho hangs back and watches him go down, and does nothing put pick up scattered pills on the pavement while Gus does CPR. My assumption is that Gus feels something off about Nacho, based on his response to Hector's heart attack.
Sad? I loved the dual demise, thought it was brilliant and applauded both deaths. Heisenberg at his best.
Honestly to this point Jimmy is more sympathetic than anything despite the fact that Talking Dead and the like refer to his dark nature.
No. Jimmy DIDNT make it right.
He ruined Irene & that community.
Those wounds will NEVER heel, it will never be the same.
That's why Chuck was right about Jimmy, he sucks everyone down around him.
Now here is Chuck, looking pretty much back to normal since the hearing. But the very night Jimmy comes back looking to make amends. The very night after Chuck tells Jimmy "You've never really mattered that much to me" he can't stay asleep and falls into one last, very fatal, relapse. Jimmy did casue the downfall of Chuck, even if he didn't mean to.
It almost seems there is some serious guilt with Chuck towards Jimmy. It makes me wonder who was really "cooking the books" at their father's store. Could Chuck have taken from his parents (maybe for law school or something he thought was important) only to 'convince' himself all these years that it was Jimmy?
The first two paragraphs are spot on. Chuck is clearly repressing his emotions & coping by over focusing on the subtle electrical currents.
Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.
Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.
If that wasn't a suicide attempt, what do think was the plan there?
B-I-N-G-O - ( New Window )
that aspect of him always annoyed the crap out of me in BB. He always knew everything, even when it didn't make sense that he would know (like Mike planning to kill Hector). It's like he's some magical, slow, plodding, guy who can clean tables at his fast food restaurant, yet still has time to think of everything (like Mike's blood type to store up in advance) and keep track of everything, and run his empire. It's a great image, but not realistic.
- No Mike?
- Chuck might be one of my most despised characters on TV but seeing him completely break down the past few eps was hard to watch.
- Gus definitely knows something was up with Nacho/Hector. I bet we see a "flashback" with Gus and Mike in the season premier next episode
- Chuck telling Jimmy that he hurts everyone around him makes me think Kim won't make it past season 4
- I actually like Hamlin. He's put up with a lot of shit from the McGill brothers and actually tried to do right with Chuck
- The actor who plays don hector is old as fuck. He was old during breaking bad and he was old when he played the Italian boss for a few seasons on Oz back in the 90s.
I'm going to say it was all in his head.
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Now I'm just not sure if Chuck intentionally was committing suicide.
If that wasn't a suicide attempt, what do think was the plan there?
An accident, lack of awareness.
Great question. Who knows what he put in his will, or if he even updated it.
My guess is Chuck had a will and I'd guess it avoid Jimmy inheriting anything.
Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.
Lastly based on his winding up as Cinnabon Gene doesn't seem like he's got $9M lying around.
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does Jimmy inherit the 9 million?
My guess is Chuck had a will and I'd guess it avoid Jimmy inheriting anything.
Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.
Lastly based on his winding up as Cinnabon Gene doesn't seem like he's got $9M lying around.
Maybe Chuck gives Jimmy a small portion. Jimmy just doesn't have all this money to get a new office and change his name, and film new commercials from just out of thin air. The man is broke. Maybe the lawyers settle and he gets his buy out, but that's a maybe.
Answer that question, it answers whether Saul gets his settlement or an inheritance.
I spent all of 2 minutes researching inheritance law in the state of New Mexico. Basically, if Chuck had a will, the only way Jimmy inherits anything is if Chuck named him in the will. If there was no will (unlikely, IMO), then under intestate succession laws, Jimmy would get all of Chuck's assets.
Hard to imagine a guy like Chuck would not have had a will at some point.
I spent all of 2 minutes researching inheritance law in the state of New Mexico. Basically, if Chuck had a will, the only way Jimmy inherits anything is if Chuck named him in the will. If there was no will (unlikely, IMO), then under intestate succession laws, Jimmy would get all of Chuck's assets.
Hard to imagine a guy like Chuck would not have had a will at some point.
Totally think he had 1, but do you think he reworked the will before he offed himself. I doubt it.
I guess we will find out next season, just how much he really cared for his brother.
Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.
Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.
but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.
Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.
Nacho is Hector's right hand man. Hector and Gus, while working for the same boss, are rivals.
It's obvious, having seen BB, that Mike becomes a right hand man for Gus, but he doesn't replace Nacho, because Nacho is in the Hector faction.
Yeah but I see Gus consolidating Hectors operation once he's out of the picture. And that's very soon. Gus is the new single source for Don Aladio.
Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.
Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.
but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.
Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.
I think the strip mall office was on purpose to make himself more accessible to his new clientele - criminals and drug dealers.
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feasible is to suggest Jimmy doctored the will.
Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.
Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.
but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.
Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.
I think the strip mall office was on purpose to make himself more accessible to his new clientele - criminals and drug dealers.
Right, plus most of his money (in BB) was probably from illegal sources, so he couldn't have some flashy HHM-like digs.
that was my point. He could have money, but for a variety of reasons not flaunt it.
Really only Howard or Chuck's ex-wife would find it unbelievable that Chuck would leave money/property to Jimmy.
Kim maybe, but not exactly like she'd protest Chuck's will.
but we've so no evidence of Jimmy having $9M.
Though it should be pointed out he had to be filthy rich in Breaking Bad with all the nefarious activity he had going on, and he still had a crappy office in a crappy strip mall, wore crappy clothes, and was surrounded by crappy looking people.
Well Jimmy plays to his audience. So he could be playing himself down. Are criminals more likely to go to a strip mall or some large corporate office? Are they going to be more receptive to a cheap suit or super expensive one? Do they want someone who is going to flaunt their money or keep it under tight watch?
Hell he started wearing clothes like Matlock just to get some business.
If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?
If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?
Yeah, that's why I said this above:
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It was odd they showed that exchange only for the check to burn up by the end of the episode.
If Chuck did deposit that money right away, is it just added to his assets? Or does is that money somehow not covered by whatever will Chuck has?
Yeah, that's why I said this above:
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Plus I wouldn't be shocked if Howard bags the buyout, who knows about it, Howard gave Chuck a personal check I believe and made it clear he was personally funding a lot of the buyout himself.
Wait... No one knows about the personal check from Howard. It burns in the fire, wouldn't they have to pay out Chuck's shares of the company to someone, or someone would inherit that? Is this Chucks way of getting revenge on Howard?
By the way, even though Howard acts real smug. He really isn't half the asshole everyone thought he was in the beginning of the show.