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NFT: Phil Jackson considering trading Porzingis

EliIsEliteX2 : 6/20/2017 11:57 am
Weird news today out of Knicks land. Losing my patience with Phil Jackson
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djm : 6/20/2017 5:03 pm : link
Meant to say KP has already gone off the rails not always gone off the rails.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13505352 Deej said:
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What's he doing? He skipped a meeting. I think it was a fair and limited form of protest. Showing up at that meeting to hear Phil's garbage, like how the 3 pointer is cheap, would just reaffirm that everything is ok.

His brother's comment? Who gives a shit. There is nothing wrong with that comment. The Knicks are treating Melo like shit, love him or hate him. So the comment said notwithstanding that KP wants to be a Knick. That infuriates you?

Again, I have no idea why so many fans insist that players voices be the equivalent of bullshit corporate PR spin. KP musn't say anything negative. Always Be cheerleading. Why? What part of the process motivates fans to want to be lied to? That is some authoritarian shit.


They're not treating Carmelo Anthony like shit. This organization allowed Melo to run a coach out of town. This organization has given Melo a ton of money. They've allowed him to do anything he wants on and off the floor. Guys like STAT, who everyone loved, couldn't stand Melo's selfishness to the point he broke his hand out of frustration during a playoff series.

I've defended Melo A LOT, but he's not a victim. No Charley Rosen article will ever make me see Melo as a victim.
RE: Supposedly  
Rflairr : 6/20/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13505364 Amtoft said:
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Wanted Ingram and #2 pick from Lakers


Uh No thanks. Ingram may actually end up the better player
RE: RE: RE: RE: You're gonna shit on KP for his defense  
djm : 6/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13505356 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?



IDK... he got 50 All-NBA votes (the highest amount for anyone who didn't make 1 of the 3 All NBA teams) this year. How many did KP get? Exactly zero. Like I said before, the way KP and his handlers have conducted themselves since the end of the season would lead me to believe they have a very high opinion of themselves. If he actually cares about making the Knicks a great organization, he needs to worry less about Phil and more about improving his own game.


I think you're reaching. KP has clout here and around the NBA. If he didn't have clout no one would give a crap if he blew off phil. And it's a weird stance to say that one guy like Beckham can say shit while KP cannot. Again, KP is the most recognizable player on the team. He could command the league max in his sleep if he was a FA this very moment. And how do you know what is really going on behind closed doors at msg? At what point is a player in the right?? For all we know KP should have done more than just blow phil off. It's a fucking circus.
Shockey what are you talking about " woory about his game?"  
Elite Mobster #32 : 6/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
Jackson is an idiot now.

Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful
Im not saying Melo doesnt have warts  
Deej : 6/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
but they're treating him like shit on the way out. Shit, the union had to complain.

Phil is utterly classless. Maybe it worked for him as a coach. But as an executive it comes off terribly.
Is there no end to Phil Jackson's stupidity?  
GeofromNJ : 6/20/2017 5:11 pm : link
He wants to trade Melo, yet resigns him to a no-trade contract. He trades JR and Iman for a 2nd round pick. He loves the triangle, yet drafts players who don't know it, signs free agents who don't want to play it, and signs coaches who don't want to coach it.

Never thought I would say this, but -- he is as bad, if not worse, than Isiah.
RE: Supposedly  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13505364 Amtoft said:
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Wanted Ingram and #2 pick from Lakers


I predicted that! Not surprised the Lakers would turn it down, but those are the only types of offers Phil should be pursuing. Teams like the Suns or Lakers are still in rebuilding mode, so they're stockpiling talent. A team like the Celtics would part with assets because they're closer to serious contention.
Phil  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 5:22 pm : link
Jackson is doing serious long term damage to the Knicks. Treating Melo like shit has ramifications. He's a true NBA star and is beloved around the league within his peers. I can't believe he's getting another offseason.

Even if KP isn't traded, shopping your 2nd year franchise player is good for business. And let's be honest, it's highly highly unlikely he gets traded. I doubt Dolan would even allow it. Atleast that's what I'm hoping. So what the hell is the point of this? And spare me the garbage about Phil using the media as a motivational tool.

Please god go hire a real GM and send Phil packing. Enough is enough.
Yeah I was willing to give Phil one more offseason  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 5:26 pm : link
if he committed to rebuilding properly. But we haven't made it to the draft and I'm already pissed off. If you're not serious about trading KP, don't even bother with this shit.

How fucking hard is it to keep your mouth shut and take the best players on the board at #8, #44, and #58? The draft should be a fun night - now it's gonna be hours of Melo/KP/Phil drama and dysfunction.
This thread got super weird  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 5:26 pm : link
Glad I was away from the desk.
RE: The picture KP posted  
steve in ky : 6/20/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13505348 JohnF said:
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has him in a shirt with Dark Green and a yellowish..almost cream shirt.

Here are the Milwaukee Bucks color scheme:

Milwaukee Bucks Color Codes


I don't know if I buy it isn't anything more than KP having some fun, but if I were to try and read into it I think the shirt looks like the Phoenix (mythical bird)
We need to go all David Griffin or Sam Hinkie up in this bitch  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 5:29 pm : link
I don't know if Griffin will help us recruit LeBron (probably not), but one thing's for sure: Robert Randolph will say that LeBron will become a Knick.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 5:31 pm : link
Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
RE: Shockey what are you talking about  
arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13505374 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Jackson is an idiot now.

Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful


What type of cage does Jackson wear?
Noah  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 5:35 pm : link
Now I'm seeing on twitter that the Knicks should include Noah's contract in a possible KP trade. Have people lost their mind? What's the purpose of dumping that contract if you're really rebuilding? Zero need for cap space and including him diminishes any return. Talk about compounding a mistake.

But any of this KP talk is such bullshit. Just when you thought this franchise couldn't get any worse.


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shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13505405 Anakim said:
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Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.


That's exactly what the initial report said. People just went crazy with it.
I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -  
Ira : 6/20/2017 5:36 pm : link
mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that Jackson would field offers  
yatqb : 6/20/2017 5:38 pm : link
for KP....and especially when the asking price is said to be enormous. That's exactly what he should be doing; exploring all avenues to make the team better. I LOVE KP, but Jackson would be foolish not to explore every possibility within his power to better the team.

Now, I don't have the greatest faith in his decision-making in that regard, but that's a separate issue.
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13505405 Anakim said:
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Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.


LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.

But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
RE: I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -  
Anakim : 6/20/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13505411 Ira said:
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mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.


Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball
The Markkanen workout legitimized the rumors a bit.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 5:41 pm : link
I'm sure it's just due diligence, but there's no way you're taking him with KP and Willy on the roster. Phil already said we're targeting guards. Anyway, back to Monk, Smith Jr., and Frank...
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Ira : 6/20/2017 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13505416 Anakim said:
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mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.



Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball



That could be a good sign.
Trade  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2017 5:47 pm : link
Even if you want to act nuts and entertain the idea of trading Porzingis, you really want Phil Jackson making that trade? In 3 years he's yet to make a good trade.

What's so frustrating is the right path is so clear for the Knicks. Take Monk or DSJ unless another guy drops. Trade the vets for whatever picks you can get- including Melo. If not waive Melo and move on. Keep the cap clean and get another top pick next year.

But you know the Knicks aren't taking that path. Sucks being a fan of this team.
Espn floating the knicks like Josh Jackson  
RAIN : 6/20/2017 6:28 pm : link
and are trying to trade up. They should have shut KP down, and tanked like everyone else. Jackson is my favorite prospect in this draft. If they can make this happen, I'd be stoked. I don't see how though.

Phil has fielded calls for KP.. not actively shopping him, FWIW.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13505414 arcarsenal said:
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Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.



LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.

But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.


I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.
RE: I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -  
djm : 6/20/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13505411 Ira said:
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mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.


You're crazy too.
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djm : 6/20/2017 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13505466 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13505405 Anakim said:


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Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.



LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.

But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.



I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.


Exactly.
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 7:30 pm : link
Chris Broussard‏Verified account @Chris_Broussard
Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him
Fine  
djm : 6/20/2017 7:32 pm : link
I've backed away from the ledge. For now. They still stink though.
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Deej : 6/20/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13505518 Anakim said:
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Chris Broussard‏Verified account @Chris_Broussard
Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him


Fuck. He's gone.
Porzingis  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/20/2017 7:41 pm : link
Is a young Dirk. You just don't trade the man unless you get a crazy offer.
Someone photoshopped a Celtics uniform on KP  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 7:54 pm : link
and it made my stomach turn. I have to say though, he'd become a superstar playing with that franchise and that coach.
In a way, him getting traded would be a liberation for me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/20/2017 8:21 pm : link
not having to see Dolan's homeless face on TV anymore
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Anakim : 6/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
Evan Turner‏Verified account @thekidet
Question: if you were in Phil Jackson's shoes and Ms. Buss said that she would get back w/ u if u trade Porzingas to the lakers, would u?
Butler's not going to Cleveland.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 10:03 pm : link
C'mon Lebron, order a Melo trade. Make it a three-teamer.
Who wants to bet that the Nets will become competitive before  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/20/2017 10:23 pm : link
the Knicks do?

If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.

If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.

It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.
Ford's mock and DraftExpress's seem to align until our pick.  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/20/2017 10:29 pm : link
One has us taking Frenchy and the other Monk.

I still want DSJ, one can hope, but I'm almost resigned to hearing Walt stumbing over Frenchy's name next year.
I've gone back and forth quite a bit  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 10:35 pm : link
but I'm on the Monk bandwagon with 48 hours to go. He can light it up, and I'm sure there's more to his game than he showed at Kentucky.
RE: I've gone back and forth quite a bit  
Giantology : 6/20/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13505697 bceagle05 said:
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but I'm on the Monk bandwagon with 48 hours to go. He can light it up, and I'm sure there's more to his game than he showed at Kentucky.


That's my ideal pick at this point, really hoping he drops to us.
RE: I've gone back and forth quite a bit  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13505697 bceagle05 said:
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but I'm on the Monk bandwagon with 48 hours to go. He can light it up, and I'm sure there's more to his game than he showed at Kentucky.


hooefully he was not joking about the team drafting him has orange in their color scheme
Yeah, hopefully where there's smoke there's fire.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 10:44 pm : link
Same with Dallas and Frank - would they really hire Frank's coach for summer league without having some certainty?
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arcarsenal : 6/20/2017 10:56 pm : link
Monk is definitely the guy I want.
Orlando is the team I can't figure out.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 11:04 pm : link
Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson and Fox probably go one through five. Where does Orlando go at six? Smith? Isaac? And where does Minny go if Isaac's off the board?
RE: Orlando is the team I can't figure out.  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13505716 bceagle05 said:
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Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson and Fox probably go one through five. Where does Orlando go at six? Smith? Isaac? And where does Minny go if Isaac's off the board?


i thibk orlando goes smith in that scenario, minny if no isaac i think trades back with dallas and they take frank...

Smith or Monk (most likely Monk)  
Vanzetti : 6/21/2017 3:52 am : link
possibly Markkanen if both those guys are gone. Highly doubt it is Ntilkina
Monk  
MookGiants : 6/21/2017 4:55 am : link
may be a fit at PG in the triangle offense, but I dont think the triangle is going to be here long term. Phil isnt long for this job, maybe 2-3 more years. Then the triangle goes bye bye and I dont think Monk can play point in another system.

I love his scoring ability but Inwould rather get Smith if both are available
RE: Who wants to bet that the Nets will become competitive before  
TyreeHelmet : 6/21/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13505688 Jim in Hoboken said:
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the Knicks do?

If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.

If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.

It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.


So you're okay with shipping out a 21 year old 2nd year NBA player who has shown he can be an all start in the NBA and possibly a top 10 player/MVP candidate? It takes time to develop in the NBA. Remember when he was drafted most people thought he wouldn't contribute for 3 years.

You would move him for Jackson/Fox, who I really like, but enter the NBA with massive holes in their game with their inability to shoot. And also hope the 2 future 1st turn out to be high picks and you hope you hit on those players? That's a massive risk.

I really can't believe some Knicks fan. They hit a home run with Porzingis. Do you know how rare it is to find a 7'3 guy who is a elite rim protector and great shooter? If you ever hired a GM who knew what he was doing, the possibilities of building a team around him are endless. Build around him don't trade him for picks. He's 21 years old.
It's a strange feeling, being a Knicks fan  
jcn56 : 6/21/2017 8:28 am : link
don't think I've experienced it with any other team. It's as if there's a euphoric result to even the most simple outcomes, as if the fact that they didn't royally fuck up something should be a reason to celebrate.
Glad i was out of the office yesterday..  
Italianju : 6/21/2017 8:28 am : link
and could only check the board here and there so i missed most of the KP explosion.

I have no issue with the knicks taking calls and that seems like all it was. If some team wanted to give you the moon then you might as well listen.

So Butler really wants to stay in CHI and George has told everyone that he is going to LA. Hopefully this helps the Melo market just a bit for us.
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