He revealed his incompetence. Up until that point, I thought he did an OK job, not trading away andy more picks and recovering a few second rounders. But those signings last off season were brutal.
Speechless over this rumor. The Melo trade (not a Jackson fiasco, but a Dolan fiasco), the resigning of Melo, the trade for Rose, the signing of Noah would all pale in comparison to this move. Jackson is a disaster in terms of his public relations skills, most of his GM moves and the insistence on proving his genius by forcing the team to run the triangle. Dolan is an owner who simply does not care, because the money rolls in regardless of the product put on the floor, the dysfunctional team and the parade of incompetence in the front office and on the bench.
Yet, there they sit, night after night, the sheep that pay outrageous amounts for the Knicks' games and desperately hope for a change for the better. Maybe if there are enough empty seats and people change the television channel enough, the NBA can finally be motivated to step in and bring a professional team back to the garden.
the market. You never know, some team may blow him away with an offer. On the flip side, it could also mean that Phil isn't confident in resigning KP.
I do think it is time to move on from Phil. I believe it was Monk who said that all they did during his workout was run the triangle. Phil's obsession with an obsolete offense is beyond comical at this point.
Ingram and #2 pick this year starts any Lakers conversation.
What kind of deal would it actually take for you to be "good" with trading KP?
It would have to be a trade that's unfair to the team that's acquiring him. He's a cost-controlled young player that's a strong season-start away from beginning a perennial all-star appearance streak.
There's no reason to trade him unless it's a nuclear hot offer or you're just unforgivably incompetent. Things are weighted strongly on the second option.
then Phil has nothing to lose by entertaining offers. Doesn't mean he'll get one that he agrees to, but he can be in a position to see what assets are willing to be moved for player X and then see if he can figure out something for a Melo move.
My 2 cents at least.
I'm in the camp of not trading Porzingis away or at least that the offer is probably not out there that would make it worth it to trade him.
RE: Ingram and #2 pick this year starts any Lakers conversation.
better offers from the Celtics. I would think Ingram and #2 is what the Lakers would have to put out there to really push Boston in a bidding war. No fault of LA - the Nets handed Boston enough assets to outbid anyone.
I was highly skeptical of Jackson as GM. He never was in chareg of personnel, and never had to work with a rebuilding team from the ground up. He walked into 2 ready made situations with 2 legendary GMs building the rosters.
Congrats to him on the money haul. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What kind of deal would it actually take for you to be "good" with trading KP?
a gigantic overpay. And even that wouldn't be enough. This is uncharted territory. Guys with his ceiling simply aren't traded 2 years into their career.
You would trade KP for Ingram and the number 2 pick? Have you watched Ingram play? Compare that to KPs rookie year. I honestly wouldn't trade KP for Randle, Ingram and Russell and the number 2 pick.
People can say Woj hates the Knicks all they want. But the Knicks worked out Markannen- that's a fact. And Woj isn't making that up. He's not Tommy Dee. The fact that Phil is even open to trading KP tells me everything I need to know. This is why he needed to be fired. It's insane to give this guy another offseason.
I'm just about done with this team. Look at the direction of Boston and Ohilly and then look at this dumpster fire. Phil has done one thing right and he's about to screw that up too. Go fire Phil and outbid the clips for Jerry West. That's a man that knows how to build a team
offers something like #3 in this draft, unprotected Brooklyn pick next year, and the other pick they got from Philly for trading down from #1, the Knicks gotta consider it. They could even throw in a rotation player because they have a roster crunch.
the tweet said he's not ruling out trading Porzingis. If I were in his position, I wouldn't rule it out, either. I'd listen to offers. But someone would have to blow me away with their offer.
If there's a "frenzy" that might go well for the Knicks. But in NBA trades, the team that gets the best player generally wins. How do you bring back a player better than Porzingis?
offers something like #3 in this draft, unprotected Brooklyn pick next year, and the other pick they got from Philly for trading down from #1, the Knicks gotta consider it. They could even throw in a rotation player because they have a roster crunch.
If the Celtics were a KP away from contending with GS that might make sense, but three #1's for KP is a little much IMO.
offers something like #3 in this draft, unprotected Brooklyn pick next year, and the other pick they got from Philly for trading down from #1, the Knicks gotta consider it. They could even throw in a rotation player because they have a roster crunch.
Yeah that sounds about right. So you have #3 and #8 this year, plus three picks next year (including your own), all of which will likely be top eight or so. At some point everyone's expendable. I love KP too, but he's not Tim Duncan.
RE: Hard to believe they would trade him over skipped meetings
If the Knicks were dumb enough to do this, Boston is the only realistic trade partner.
You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player
Kristaps and his family are acting like he's a 1st team All NBA player. Fans are so starved for anything positive that it's no surprise they're treating Kristaps like he just had KAT's season.
The Knicks have no reason to deal him unless their blown away. Even the most objective person would agree this trade would require two premium draft picks + a decent-to-good young player.
Phil Jackson is entering George Costanza-like territory. Seems like he is trying to get fired at this point.
LOL, sad but true. Problem is no matter what the Knicks do they will sell out the Garden. The fans are speaking with there wallets and there saying we will pay whatever you want to charge us for tickets and we will buy them no matter what team you put out on the court.
Zach Lowe hearing Knicks will talk KP but demands are very high. If Begley and Lowe are reporting it, than it's true. I guess Woj isn't "messing with Knicks fans".
I'd love to hear who they are talking to and what they are asking for. As for his foot, it was an Achilles injury not a foot issue. Big difference for a guy his size. I still can't believe the Knicks are having these talks. Why not build around him?
I don't know how I would sever ties with a franchise that connects 4 generations of my family. But if KP goes, even it it was for a so-called "great haul," I think I'd have to say enough is enough.
I could not ever root for another NBA team. I just don't know how I could continue to be kicked in the fucking balls and not do something, even if only symbolic for me, personally.
This just isn't any fun at all. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'm a Giants and Mets fan, too, so I can handle long spells of teams not winning. But this Knicks front office, I think might have me the angriest/most disappointed of any team at any time in my life.
Don't compound that horrific mistake. And if Phil loves Jackson and Tatum so much, he needs to learn how to tank properly. It's sad seeing pictures of Knicks execs drooling over these top five picks at workouts, knowing they could've had one of them if they weren't so hell bent on trying to win 35 games.
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Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good
If the Knicks were dumb enough to do this, Boston is the only realistic trade partner.
You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player
Kristaps and his family are acting like he's a 1st team All NBA player. Fans are so starved for anything positive that it's no surprise they're treating Kristaps like he just had KAT's season.
KNicks fans are not treating KP like he is as good as KAT. They are treating him like the untapped overflowing talent that he is. If you trade KP you're a fucking fool. That's all there is to it. He has HOF potential. He's already shown he can play. He can't even drink legally yet or maybe he can, but barely.
KP is the guy you don't trade. You cultivate and develop him into the monster he's supposed to be. The Knicks are a fucking abortion.
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Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good
I don't even feel like that's a big enough return for KP. If a deal like that is a no-go, then pretty much anything I'd take for KP isn't gonna happen.
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My god this can't be true. It just can't. I refuse to believe any of this other than Phil just exploring everything. Even that is stupid because you don't need to release this kind of shit so KP hears about.
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Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good
I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown.
I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.
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I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown.
I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.
I wouldn't either which is why I think if they're willing to take that package, then they may actually trade him.
if there was ever a time for a full fledged riot in NYC
now is the fucking time. I am not even kidding. If blood has to be spilled so be it. They rioted at the rigged lottery draft thing during the civil war. I think this is worthy too.
For Smart or Bradley and the number 3 or i try to pull off that deal with Phoenix for Booker and number 4. Knicks get one of those picks and they've got Ball, Jackson or Fox and another solid young player. But they probably wont get that, they definitely wont get anything better than that. Knicks need to trade him or keep him on ice for the next two to three years while they tank and build around him. KP is not even in his prime yet. I was pissed when the Knicks took him, I wanted him for my sorry ass Magic's. KP could still prove to be an athletic Dirk when its all said and done.
just enough to know whats going on with them (as the NBA turned me off back in late 90's but before a knick fan too).
My question is (after just seeing this titled thread) why would they trade someone that has promise to build around? Am i missing something..like a good, reasonable/sensible reason to trade him because of being in such a mess as they are? Maybe someone knowledgeable (knick fan/NBA fan) can give a reason that would be beneficial in long run to turn things around. From outside, this looks outlandish to do so.
For Smart or Bradley and the number 3 or i try to pull off that deal with Phoenix for Booker and number 4. Knicks get one of those picks and they've got Ball, Jackson or Fox and another solid young player. But they probably wont get that, they definitely wont get anything better than that. Knicks need to trade him or keep him on ice for the next two to three years while they tank and build around him. KP is not even in his prime yet. I was pissed when the Knicks took him, I wanted him for my sorry ass Magic's. KP could still prove to be an athletic Dirk when its all said and done.
Phoneix is not giving up the 4th pick and Booker for KP. The way the Knicks fuck up you guys better be happy to get that instead you might just give him away to someone who is willing to take that awful Noah contract.
and promise to think that if he's developed well, then he could be one of the two best players on a title contender. How many of those are there?
And if you'd rather have four potential quarters for a potential dollar, what makes you think this franchise has any ability to make sure those quarters realize their full 25 cents?
Phoneix is not giving up the 4th pick and Booker for KP. The way the Knicks fuck up you guys better be happy to get that instead you might just give him away to someone who is willing to take that awful Noah contract.
Again, you're crazy. I don't even want Booker and 4th. And I am not dealing KP. No! Boston?????
You want to trade KP to Boston for Marcus fucking smart and a draft pick?@?@?@?@?@?@??!!!!1
win titles. Even the example everyone always points to (The Mavs) had... Dirk. If someone blows you away then you do it. But Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder and a pick or 2 = no thank you.
The very minimum acceptable return is #3 plus BK 2018 unprotected. Even at that price, I'm only lukewarm on it. Not outraged, but not really happy.
Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy.
Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.
that online message board fans overrate draft picks as much as humanly possible. It's uncanny really. Anywhere else and you don't see the same unbridled desire for draft picks, no matter the sport. But on BBI and other sites people go fucking bat shit crazy for them.
If you trade KP for two picks or one pick and a player not considered young and transcendent, you are absolutely fucking lost. KP is too good to be true. Only the fucking knicks....
The very minimum acceptable return is #3 plus BK 2018 unprotected. Even at that price, I'm only lukewarm on it. Not outraged, but not really happy.
Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy.
Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.
have been my starting point during any debate we've had on here about trading KP - and there have been a few. I wouldn't do the Phoenix trade and I wouldn't blame them for balking either - it's not like they're any closer to a title than we are. They're still in stockpiling mode. Boston seems like the only real match. Maybe Philly. Perhaps the Lakers since they know Paul George is on his way, too.
actually entertaining this? You don't trade him, period. There is no trade outside of Steph Curry and the #1 overall pick that would be good enough for this.
At least the next 48 hours became a little more interesting.
I wouldn't trade KP for the simple reason that he's so unique and humble and grounded. Even just to be able to coach him up and tap into that game of his I wouldn't deal him. Even an almost selfish basketball POV would force me to keep KP.
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actually entertaining this? You don't trade him, period. There is no trade outside of Steph Curry and the #1 overall pick that would be good enough for this.
I don't want him traded, but this is frankly ludicrous. You wouldn't trade him for Towns? Greek Freak? Davis?
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
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Good. First time in forever we draft and start developing a legitimate elite starter and we've already started alienating him and considered trading him. Fire Phil.
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
Why are we even talking about this... ?
Because Phil opened the door. Is GS "entertaining" offers for Steph Curry? Heck no... and not only because the price would be ridiculously high. Because that sh!t is alienating and rubs everyone the wrong way.
Yeah, the price fro KP should be ridiculously high. But we also shouldn't be talking about this whatsoever.
But we are... because it's the Knicks and it's Phil.
Because Phil opened the door. Is GS "entertaining" offers for Steph Curry? Heck no... and not only because the price would be ridiculously high. Because that sh!t is alienating and rubs everyone the wrong way.
Yeah, the price fro KP should be ridiculously high. But we also shouldn't be talking about this whatsoever.
But we are... because it's the Knicks and it's Phil.
To be fair, a person would need their head in the sand or an extreme hatred of Phil Jackson to think KP and his crew have handled themselves beyond reproach since the end of the season. The original report said Phil didn't call anyone to trade KP, but that he was willing to listen to offers. Follow-up reports said the Knicks asking price was exorbitant, as it should be.
I'm not worried about alienating KP because that seems to be a 2 way street.
The higher up you go in the Knicks organization the more it stinks. KP is smart for getting out while he's young.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
The higher up you go in the Knicks organization the more it stinks. KP is smart for getting out while he's young.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
KP did play defense this year, and quite well at that. He was one of the best rim protectors in the league and consistently altered shots.
but saying he didn't play a lick of defense is BS. Trading him for anything other than a monumental haul would be a disaster. Celtics #3+nets #1+Young players at a minimum and I'm still unlikely to pull the trigger. KP has super star potential and he's still very young.
The higher up you go in the Knicks organization the more it stinks. KP is smart for getting out while he's young.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? [quote]He didn't play a lick of defense this year
. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say. [/quote]
Flat out false. 5th best rim protector in the NBA this past season behind Green, Gobert, Anthony Davis and Myles Turner. Could he improve his man defense? Sure. But that statement is beyond false. He's ELITE at protecting the rim. He kept opponents to -121 points less than "expected", tied with Whiteside.
Patrick Beverley is being actively shopped by the Houston Rockets.
Beverley is open to a trade from the Rockets and has been consulted about a possible move.
Beverley was considering seeking a trade last offseason when Mike D'Antoni was hired.
Beverley enjoyed playing for DAntoni, he said multiple times last season. But other factors, the source said, have led the Rockets and Beverley to explore trade possibilities.
Beverley is scheduled to make just $10.5 million over the next two seasons.
All to one single team just to make cap space for overpriced garbage.
I would seriously bandwagon to a new team and nobody could blame me. Denver Nuggets I'm thinking.. but for now NYKAllday, I'll wait forever just keep KP!!!
Phil is stressing me out..
Gotta just dump Melo..
Keep noah I don't care. We shouldn't sign anyone new to good $ for 2 years anyway imo.
Patrick Beverley is being actively shopped by the Houston Rockets.
Beverley is open to a trade from the Rockets and has been consulted about a possible move.
Beverley was considering seeking a trade last offseason when Mike D'Antoni was hired.
Beverley enjoyed playing for DAntoni, he said multiple times last season. But other factors, the source said, have led the Rockets and Beverley to explore trade possibilities.
Beverley is scheduled to make just $10.5 million over the next two seasons.
KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
I haven't turned on him. I do think people are treating him like a player he hasn't proven to be on the floor yet. I think statements like the one his brother released today make it appear as if they think about KP as a player he has yet to actually become.
But if your opinion is true, what's the opposite side... people who think KP can do no wrong and that any behavior from him is acceptable?
I do admit I have soured on him in the sense that even if he doesn't like the situation with Phil and the coaching staff, he's not helping this situation at all. He's not helping this franchise get better by adding to the media frenzy. I could accept this stuff from a guy who just had KAT's season. One of the reasons why I repeatedly defend Odell Beckham is because the on the field product is nearly unassailable. KP has a lot of potential, but the on the court product hasn't matched that potential quite yet. And until then, I'd rather not hear these comments from his brother or his handlers.
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The younger generation, namely guys like Kristaps Porzingas have seen how Phil Jackson has treated a classy guy like Carmelo Anthony. Its a waste of time discussing trade because he controls a No Trade Contract.
Aside from obtaining the "Greek Freak" to team up with Porzingas, we can't identify who would be a help to the Knicks future from the NBA's current roster.
Carmelo is not at fault for the situation with the Knicks the fault is all Jackson's decision making. He has alienated his own players.
He needs to forget about Carmelo and find future players to fill the void for players he traded as soon as he took office.
There was value in Jr Smith, and Tyson Chandler.
There is a new season coming up I would like to see a nucleus of at least Porzingas, Melo and Rose, to be still on the team. Build a team, but trade talks for any of these players makes no sense- Its time to look to the Draft and develop from within but Jackson is not an positive influence anymore - This is My Opinion
but then hold KAT as the standard that any decent 2nd year player should have before they can do anything the want?
Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
but then hold KAT as the standard that any decent 2nd year player should have before they can do anything the want?
Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
The higher up you go in the Knicks organization the more it stinks. KP is smart for getting out while he's young.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
It's all about leadership. The knicks have none. Use whatever word you want but KP and melo are just another in the long line of talented players that languish at msg. If they aren't victims they sure as fuck aren't thriving either.
This has nothing to do with KP's accomplishments or lack there of, which you conjure up every time someone defends his actions, this has to do with much much more. This isn't about KP anymore.
It's toxic here. And KP is more definitely a victim of this shit stained franchise. He's always gone off the rails and now we have trade rumors. Trade rumors!! After two fucking years! Didn't take long.
At what point do we say it isn't the player's fault here? Another ten years?
KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
I haven't turned on him. I do think people are treating him like a player he hasn't proven to be on the floor yet. I think statements like the one his brother released today make it appear as if they think about KP as a player he has yet to actually become.
But if your opinion is true, what's the opposite side... people who think KP can do no wrong and that any behavior from him is acceptable?
I do admit I have soured on him in the sense that even if he doesn't like the situation with Phil and the coaching staff, he's not helping this situation at all. He's not helping this franchise get better by adding to the media frenzy. I could accept this stuff from a guy who just had KAT's season. One of the reasons why I repeatedly defend Odell Beckham is because the on the field product is nearly unassailable. KP has a lot of potential, but the on the court product hasn't matched that potential quite yet. And until then, I'd rather not hear these comments from his brother or his handlers.
What's he doing? He skipped a meeting. I think it was a fair and limited form of protest. Showing up at that meeting to hear Phil's garbage, like how the 3 pointer is cheap, would just reaffirm that everything is ok.
His brother's comment? Who gives a shit. There is nothing wrong with that comment. The Knicks are treating Melo like shit, love him or hate him. So the comment said notwithstanding that KP wants to be a Knick. That infuriates you?
Again, I have no idea why so many fans insist that players voices be the equivalent of bullshit corporate PR spin. KP musn't say anything negative. Always Be cheerleading. Why? What part of the process motivates fans to want to be lied to? That is some authoritarian shit.
but then hold KAT as the standard that any decent 2nd year player should have before they can do anything the want?
Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
But what does that mean? KAT's first 2 seasons have him on a 1st ballot HOF track. "Not as good" as KAT still allows for a franchise player upside.
RE: RE: RE: You're gonna shit on KP for his defense
No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
IDK... he got 50 All-NBA votes (the highest amount for anyone who didn't make 1 of the 3 All NBA teams) this year. How many did KP get? Exactly zero. Like I said before, the way KP and his handlers have conducted themselves since the end of the season would lead me to believe they have a very high opinion of themselves. If he actually cares about making the Knicks a great organization, he needs to worry less about Phil and more about improving his own game.
KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
That contingent just has a weird coping mechanism in place. Blame the players it will get better if we just make one more trade or hit on one draft pick or sign the right head coach. Except it never gets better here. It just toggles from bad to worse to pretty good back to bad to comically bad to pretty good and back to bad. The cycle never breaks. Things never grow here. Nothing good ever lasts. Only bad.
What's he doing? He skipped a meeting. I think it was a fair and limited form of protest. Showing up at that meeting to hear Phil's garbage, like how the 3 pointer is cheap, would just reaffirm that everything is ok.
His brother's comment? Who gives a shit. There is nothing wrong with that comment. The Knicks are treating Melo like shit, love him or hate him. So the comment said notwithstanding that KP wants to be a Knick. That infuriates you?
Again, I have no idea why so many fans insist that players voices be the equivalent of bullshit corporate PR spin. KP musn't say anything negative. Always Be cheerleading. Why? What part of the process motivates fans to want to be lied to? That is some authoritarian shit.
They're not treating Carmelo Anthony like shit. This organization allowed Melo to run a coach out of town. This organization has given Melo a ton of money. They've allowed him to do anything he wants on and off the floor. Guys like STAT, who everyone loved, couldn't stand Melo's selfishness to the point he broke his hand out of frustration during a playoff series.
I've defended Melo A LOT, but he's not a victim. No Charley Rosen article will ever make me see Melo as a victim.
No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
IDK... he got 50 All-NBA votes (the highest amount for anyone who didn't make 1 of the 3 All NBA teams) this year. How many did KP get? Exactly zero. Like I said before, the way KP and his handlers have conducted themselves since the end of the season would lead me to believe they have a very high opinion of themselves. If he actually cares about making the Knicks a great organization, he needs to worry less about Phil and more about improving his own game.
I think you're reaching. KP has clout here and around the NBA. If he didn't have clout no one would give a crap if he blew off phil. And it's a weird stance to say that one guy like Beckham can say shit while KP cannot. Again, KP is the most recognizable player on the team. He could command the league max in his sleep if he was a FA this very moment. And how do you know what is really going on behind closed doors at msg? At what point is a player in the right?? For all we know KP should have done more than just blow phil off. It's a fucking circus.
Shockey what are you talking about " woory about his game?"
Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful
He wants to trade Melo, yet resigns him to a no-trade contract. He trades JR and Iman for a 2nd round pick. He loves the triangle, yet drafts players who don't know it, signs free agents who don't want to play it, and signs coaches who don't want to coach it.
Never thought I would say this, but -- he is as bad, if not worse, than Isiah.
I predicted that! Not surprised the Lakers would turn it down, but those are the only types of offers Phil should be pursuing. Teams like the Suns or Lakers are still in rebuilding mode, so they're stockpiling talent. A team like the Celtics would part with assets because they're closer to serious contention.
Jackson is doing serious long term damage to the Knicks. Treating Melo like shit has ramifications. He's a true NBA star and is beloved around the league within his peers. I can't believe he's getting another offseason.
Even if KP isn't traded, shopping your 2nd year franchise player is good for business. And let's be honest, it's highly highly unlikely he gets traded. I doubt Dolan would even allow it. Atleast that's what I'm hoping. So what the hell is the point of this? And spare me the garbage about Phil using the media as a motivational tool.
Please god go hire a real GM and send Phil packing. Enough is enough.
Yeah I was willing to give Phil one more offseason
if he committed to rebuilding properly. But we haven't made it to the draft and I'm already pissed off. If you're not serious about trading KP, don't even bother with this shit.
How fucking hard is it to keep your mouth shut and take the best players on the board at #8, #44, and #58? The draft should be a fun night - now it's gonna be hours of Melo/KP/Phil drama and dysfunction.
has him in a shirt with Dark Green and a yellowish..almost cream shirt.
Here are the Milwaukee Bucks color scheme:
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I don't know if I buy it isn't anything more than KP having some fun, but if I were to try and read into it I think the shirt looks like the Phoenix (mythical bird)
We need to go all David Griffin or Sam Hinkie up in this bitch
I don't know if Griffin will help us recruit LeBron (probably not), but one thing's for sure: Robert Randolph will say that LeBron will become a Knick.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful
Now I'm seeing on twitter that the Knicks should include Noah's contract in a possible KP trade. Have people lost their mind? What's the purpose of dumping that contract if you're really rebuilding? Zero need for cap space and including him diminishes any return. Talk about compounding a mistake.
But any of this KP talk is such bullshit. Just when you thought this franchise couldn't get any worse.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
That's exactly what the initial report said. People just went crazy with it.
I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -
mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that Jackson would field offers
for KP....and especially when the asking price is said to be enormous. That's exactly what he should be doing; exploring all avenues to make the team better. I LOVE KP, but Jackson would be foolish not to explore every possibility within his power to better the team.
Now, I don't have the greatest faith in his decision-making in that regard, but that's a separate issue.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
RE: I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -
mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball
The Markkanen workout legitimized the rumors a bit.
I'm sure it's just due diligence, but there's no way you're taking him with KP and Willy on the roster. Phil already said we're targeting guards. Anyway, back to Monk, Smith Jr., and Frank...
RE: RE: I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -
mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball
Even if you want to act nuts and entertain the idea of trading Porzingis, you really want Phil Jackson making that trade? In 3 years he's yet to make a good trade.
What's so frustrating is the right path is so clear for the Knicks. Take Monk or DSJ unless another guy drops. Trade the vets for whatever picks you can get- including Melo. If not waive Melo and move on. Keep the cap clean and get another top pick next year.
But you know the Knicks aren't taking that path. Sucks being a fan of this team.
and are trying to trade up. They should have shut KP down, and tanked like everyone else. Jackson is my favorite prospect in this draft. If they can make this happen, I'd be stoked. I don't see how though.
Phil has fielded calls for KP.. not actively shopping him, FWIW.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.
RE: I know we all love KP and Lonzo Ball is the draftee we love to hate -
mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.
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Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him
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Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him
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Question: if you were in Phil Jackson's shoes and Ms. Buss said that she would get back w/ u if u trade Porzingas to the lakers, would u?
If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.
If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.
It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.
Ford's mock and DraftExpress's seem to align until our pick.
Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson and Fox probably go one through five. Where does Orlando go at six? Smith? Isaac? And where does Minny go if Isaac's off the board?
Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson and Fox probably go one through five. Where does Orlando go at six? Smith? Isaac? And where does Minny go if Isaac's off the board?
i thibk orlando goes smith in that scenario, minny if no isaac i think trades back with dallas and they take frank...
may be a fit at PG in the triangle offense, but I dont think the triangle is going to be here long term. Phil isnt long for this job, maybe 2-3 more years. Then the triangle goes bye bye and I dont think Monk can play point in another system.
I love his scoring ability but Inwould rather get Smith if both are available
RE: Who wants to bet that the Nets will become competitive before
If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.
If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.
It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.
So you're okay with shipping out a 21 year old 2nd year NBA player who has shown he can be an all start in the NBA and possibly a top 10 player/MVP candidate? It takes time to develop in the NBA. Remember when he was drafted most people thought he wouldn't contribute for 3 years.
You would move him for Jackson/Fox, who I really like, but enter the NBA with massive holes in their game with their inability to shoot. And also hope the 2 future 1st turn out to be high picks and you hope you hit on those players? That's a massive risk.
I really can't believe some Knicks fan. They hit a home run with Porzingis. Do you know how rare it is to find a 7'3 guy who is a elite rim protector and great shooter? If you ever hired a GM who knew what he was doing, the possibilities of building a team around him are endless. Build around him don't trade him for picks. He's 21 years old.
don't think I've experienced it with any other team. It's as if there's a euphoric result to even the most simple outcomes, as if the fact that they didn't royally fuck up something should be a reason to celebrate.
I think they're definitely in the conversation for worst run organization in sports.
Lakers send Mozgod, Deng, Nick Young.
Who says no?
That is a funny stream of gifs in response, though, in that link.
Lakers send Mozgod, Deng, Nick Young.
Who says no?
If the filler is Dolan, I'd have to do it.
He revealed his incompetence. Up until that point, I thought he did an OK job, not trading away andy more picks and recovering a few second rounders. But those signings last off season were brutal.
Yet, there they sit, night after night, the sheep that pay outrageous amounts for the Knicks' games and desperately hope for a change for the better. Maybe if there are enough empty seats and people change the television channel enough, the NBA can finally be motivated to step in and bring a professional team back to the garden.
So the question is, who is the next Knicks "savior" to be hired by Dolan once Jax has collected his millions and rides off?
if you don't believe Phil is capable of doing something incredibly stupid, you haven't been paying attention the last few seasons.
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And the 28th for Porzingas?
Not enough.
What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle.
I do think it is time to move on from Phil. I believe it was Monk who said that all they did during his workout was run the triangle. Phil's obsession with an obsolete offense is beyond comical at this point.
What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle.
I wouldn't send two out of the three of Dlo, Ingram, and Randle. One at most along with Clarkson and picks.
It would have to be a trade that's unfair to the team that's acquiring him. He's a cost-controlled young player that's a strong season-start away from beginning a perennial all-star appearance streak.
There's no reason to trade him unless it's a nuclear hot offer or you're just unforgivably incompetent. Things are weighted strongly on the second option.
My 2 cents at least.
I'm in the camp of not trading Porzingis away or at least that the offer is probably not out there that would make it worth it to trade him.
You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player
Congrats to him on the money haul. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
a gigantic overpay. And even that wouldn't be enough. This is uncharted territory. Guys with his ceiling simply aren't traded 2 years into their career.
BREAKING: Celtics now interested in trading for Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis, according to source, via @SBondyNYDN http://nydn.us/2rN18O4
My thoughts exactly.
People can say Woj hates the Knicks all they want. But the Knicks worked out Markannen- that's a fact. And Woj isn't making that up. He's not Tommy Dee. The fact that Phil is even open to trading KP tells me everything I need to know. This is why he needed to be fired. It's insane to give this guy another offseason.
I'm just about done with this team. Look at the direction of Boston and Ohilly and then look at this dumpster fire. Phil has done one thing right and he's about to screw that up too. Go fire Phil and outbid the clips for Jerry West. That's a man that knows how to build a team
Then that means we would have to take ALL of their picks as opposed to some of them.
3rd pick
Nets pick 2018
Lakers 2018 pick (only if 2 through 5) or Philly/Sacramento (non-top overall pick) in 2019
Celtics 2019
Memphis 2019 (non-top 8 pick)
Clippers 2019 (non-top 14 pick)
Celtics 2021
If there's a "frenzy" that might go well for the Knicks. But in NBA trades, the team that gets the best player generally wins. How do you bring back a player better than Porzingis?
If the Celtics were a KP away from contending with GS that might make sense, but three #1's for KP is a little much IMO.
Yeah that sounds about right. So you have #3 and #8 this year, plus three picks next year (including your own), all of which will likely be top eight or so. At some point everyone's expendable. I love KP too, but he's not Tim Duncan.
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I honestly wouldn't trade KP for Randle, Ingram and Russell and the number 2 pick.
You wouldn't let him go to go forward with the potential of Lonzo, Dlo, Ingram and Randle for your future?
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You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player
Kristaps and his family are acting like he's a 1st team All NBA player. Fans are so starved for anything positive that it's no surprise they're treating Kristaps like he just had KAT's season.
Has Ingram fallen that much?!!
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If true,it might be something he requested
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I gotcha,sort of like Asshole,not assholeS
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I gotcha,sort of like Asshole,not assholeS
sort of
sure you can get that much?
LOL, sad but true. Problem is no matter what the Knicks do they will sell out the Garden. The fans are speaking with there wallets and there saying we will pay whatever you want to charge us for tickets and we will buy them no matter what team you put out on the court.
I'd love to hear who they are talking to and what they are asking for. As for his foot, it was an Achilles injury not a foot issue. Big difference for a guy his size. I still can't believe the Knicks are having these talks. Why not build around him?
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What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle.
I wouldn't send two out of the three of Dlo, Ingram, and Randle. One at most along with Clarkson and picks.
I mean this with peace and love. Not meant to be a shot to filthy who I love, but go fuck yourself.
I don't know how I would sever ties with a franchise that connects 4 generations of my family. But if KP goes, even it it was for a so-called "great haul," I think I'd have to say enough is enough.
I could not ever root for another NBA team. I just don't know how I could continue to be kicked in the fucking balls and not do something, even if only symbolic for me, personally.
This just isn't any fun at all. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'm a Giants and Mets fan, too, so I can handle long spells of teams not winning. But this Knicks front office, I think might have me the angriest/most disappointed of any team at any time in my life.
League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks
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I hope that's not true. They should be completely separate issues and moving Noah shouldn't restrict the return for KP.
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Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good
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that's just hysterical.
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You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player
Kristaps and his family are acting like he's a 1st team All NBA player. Fans are so starved for anything positive that it's no surprise they're treating Kristaps like he just had KAT's season.
KNicks fans are not treating KP like he is as good as KAT. They are treating him like the untapped overflowing talent that he is. If you trade KP you're a fucking fool. That's all there is to it. He has HOF potential. He's already shown he can play. He can't even drink legally yet or maybe he can, but barely.
KP is the guy you don't trade. You cultivate and develop him into the monster he's supposed to be. The Knicks are a fucking abortion.
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I don't even feel like that's a big enough return for KP. If a deal like that is a no-go, then pretty much anything I'd take for KP isn't gonna happen.
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My god this can't be true. It just can't. I refuse to believe any of this other than Phil just exploring everything. Even that is stupid because you don't need to release this kind of shit so KP hears about.
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I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown.
I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.
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I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown.
I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.
I wouldn't either which is why I think if they're willing to take that package, then they may actually trade him.
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What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle.
I wouldn't send two out of the three of Dlo, Ingram, and Randle. One at most along with Clarkson and picks.
I wouldn;t accept all of those guys for KP.
Phil's ego getting in the way yet again here.
My question is (after just seeing this titled thread) why would they trade someone that has promise to build around? Am i missing something..like a good, reasonable/sensible reason to trade him because of being in such a mess as they are? Maybe someone knowledgeable (knick fan/NBA fan) can give a reason that would be beneficial in long run to turn things around. From outside, this looks outlandish to do so.
You are crazy.
And if you'd rather have four potential quarters for a potential dollar, what makes you think this franchise has any ability to make sure those quarters realize their full 25 cents?
Again, you're crazy. I don't even want Booker and 4th. And I am not dealing KP. No! Boston?????
You want to trade KP to Boston for Marcus fucking smart and a draft pick?@?@?@?@?@?@??!!!!1
I don't even know what's happening anymore.
Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy.
Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.
If you trade KP for two picks or one pick and a player not considered young and transcendent, you are absolutely fucking lost. KP is too good to be true. Only the fucking knicks....
Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy.
Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.
Nope.
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I don't want him traded, but this is frankly ludicrous. You wouldn't trade him for Towns? Greek Freak? Davis?
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
Remember, they're dealing with the Knicks...
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Good. First time in forever we draft and start developing a legitimate elite starter and we've already started alienating him and considered trading him. Fire Phil.
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Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?
Why are we even talking about this... ?
Because Phil opened the door. Is GS "entertaining" offers for Steph Curry? Heck no... and not only because the price would be ridiculously high. Because that sh!t is alienating and rubs everyone the wrong way.
Yeah, the price fro KP should be ridiculously high. But we also shouldn't be talking about this whatsoever.
But we are... because it's the Knicks and it's Phil.
Why are we even talking about this... ?
Because Phil opened the door. Is GS "entertaining" offers for Steph Curry? Heck no... and not only because the price would be ridiculously high. Because that sh!t is alienating and rubs everyone the wrong way.
Yeah, the price fro KP should be ridiculously high. But we also shouldn't be talking about this whatsoever.
But we are... because it's the Knicks and it's Phil.
To be fair, a person would need their head in the sand or an extreme hatred of Phil Jackson to think KP and his crew have handled themselves beyond reproach since the end of the season. The original report said Phil didn't call anyone to trade KP, but that he was willing to listen to offers. Follow-up reports said the Knicks asking price was exorbitant, as it should be.
I'm not worried about alienating KP because that seems to be a 2 way street.
Terrible asst coach who is a spy for the team president.
Incompetent head coach who is a puppet for the team president.
Incompetent GM who is a spy for the owner.
Incompetent out of touch egomaniac president bent on destroying the teams present and future to prove he's "right"
One of if not the very worst owner in the history of professional sports.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
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What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
KP did play defense this year, and quite well at that. He was one of the best rim protectors in the league and consistently altered shots.
KP did play defense this year, and quite well at that. He was one of the best rim protectors in the league and consistently altered shots.
Umm... his defensive and rebounding numbers were worse across the board.
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What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? [quote]He didn't play a lick of defense this year
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say. [/quote]
Flat out false. 5th best rim protector in the NBA this past season behind Green, Gobert, Anthony Davis and Myles Turner. Could he improve his man defense? Sure. But that statement is beyond false. He's ELITE at protecting the rim. He kept opponents to -121 points less than "expected", tied with Whiteside.
Patrick Beverley is being actively shopped by the Houston Rockets.
Beverley is open to a trade from the Rockets and has been consulted about a possible move.
Beverley was considering seeking a trade last offseason when Mike D'Antoni was hired.
Beverley enjoyed playing for DAntoni, he said multiple times last season. But other factors, the source said, have led the Rockets and Beverley to explore trade possibilities.
Beverley is scheduled to make just $10.5 million over the next two seasons.
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I would seriously bandwagon to a new team and nobody could blame me. Denver Nuggets I'm thinking.. but for now NYKAllday, I'll wait forever just keep KP!!!
Phil is stressing me out..
Gotta just dump Melo..
Keep noah I don't care. We shouldn't sign anyone new to good $ for 2 years anyway imo.
Patrick Beverley is being actively shopped by the Houston Rockets.
Beverley is open to a trade from the Rockets and has been consulted about a possible move.
Beverley was considering seeking a trade last offseason when Mike D'Antoni was hired.
Beverley enjoyed playing for DAntoni, he said multiple times last season. But other factors, the source said, have led the Rockets and Beverley to explore trade possibilities.
Beverley is scheduled to make just $10.5 million over the next two seasons.
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I'd love Beverly here. For Melo tho
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
Damn Melo burning bridges
i just saw this, i am confused what does this mean?
also there is a video of monk saying he is being drafted by a team with orange in their color scheme
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KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
I haven't turned on him. I do think people are treating him like a player he hasn't proven to be on the floor yet. I think statements like the one his brother released today make it appear as if they think about KP as a player he has yet to actually become.
But if your opinion is true, what's the opposite side... people who think KP can do no wrong and that any behavior from him is acceptable?
I do admit I have soured on him in the sense that even if he doesn't like the situation with Phil and the coaching staff, he's not helping this situation at all. He's not helping this franchise get better by adding to the media frenzy. I could accept this stuff from a guy who just had KAT's season. One of the reasons why I repeatedly defend Odell Beckham is because the on the field product is nearly unassailable. KP has a lot of potential, but the on the court product hasn't matched that potential quite yet. And until then, I'd rather not hear these comments from his brother or his handlers.
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just posted this...
i just saw this, i am confused what does this mean?
also there is a video of monk saying he is being drafted by a team with orange in their color scheme
fr apparently stands for "for real" to young people
Very interesting...
NFT: Knicks Jackson Not good influence on players anymore
Elite Mobster #32 : 4:35 pm
The younger generation, namely guys like Kristaps Porzingas have seen how Phil Jackson has treated a classy guy like Carmelo Anthony. Its a waste of time discussing trade because he controls a No Trade Contract.
Aside from obtaining the "Greek Freak" to team up with Porzingas, we can't identify who would be a help to the Knicks future from the NBA's current roster.
Carmelo is not at fault for the situation with the Knicks the fault is all Jackson's decision making. He has alienated his own players.
He needs to forget about Carmelo and find future players to fill the void for players he traded as soon as he took office.
There was value in Jr Smith, and Tyson Chandler.
There is a new season coming up I would like to see a nucleus of at least Porzingas, Melo and Rose, to be still on the team. Build a team, but trade talks for any of these players makes no sense- Its time to look to the Draft and develop from within but Jackson is not an positive influence anymore - This is My Opinion
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Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
thanks dan
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but then hold KAT as the standard that any decent 2nd year player should have before they can do anything the want?
Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
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The higher up you go in the Knicks organization the more it stinks. KP is smart for getting out while he's young.
What player with talent who cares about winning wouldn't want to leave?
What does KP know about winning? He didn't play a lick of defense this year. He's worrying about how the team treats a guy whose previous coaches literally HATE him and hasn't played a lick of defense in a decade.
I have no interest in treating KP or Melo as victims of the organization. If they really cared about the Knicks, we'd see that on the floor instead of what they or their handlers say.
It's all about leadership. The knicks have none. Use whatever word you want but KP and melo are just another in the long line of talented players that languish at msg. If they aren't victims they sure as fuck aren't thriving either.
This has nothing to do with KP's accomplishments or lack there of, which you conjure up every time someone defends his actions, this has to do with much much more. This isn't about KP anymore.
It's toxic here. And KP is more definitely a victim of this shit stained franchise. He's always gone off the rails and now we have trade rumors. Trade rumors!! After two fucking years! Didn't take long.
At what point do we say it isn't the player's fault here? Another ten years?
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KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
I haven't turned on him. I do think people are treating him like a player he hasn't proven to be on the floor yet. I think statements like the one his brother released today make it appear as if they think about KP as a player he has yet to actually become.
But if your opinion is true, what's the opposite side... people who think KP can do no wrong and that any behavior from him is acceptable?
I do admit I have soured on him in the sense that even if he doesn't like the situation with Phil and the coaching staff, he's not helping this situation at all. He's not helping this franchise get better by adding to the media frenzy. I could accept this stuff from a guy who just had KAT's season. One of the reasons why I repeatedly defend Odell Beckham is because the on the field product is nearly unassailable. KP has a lot of potential, but the on the court product hasn't matched that potential quite yet. And until then, I'd rather not hear these comments from his brother or his handlers.
What's he doing? He skipped a meeting. I think it was a fair and limited form of protest. Showing up at that meeting to hear Phil's garbage, like how the 3 pointer is cheap, would just reaffirm that everything is ok.
His brother's comment? Who gives a shit. There is nothing wrong with that comment. The Knicks are treating Melo like shit, love him or hate him. So the comment said notwithstanding that KP wants to be a Knick. That infuriates you?
Again, I have no idea why so many fans insist that players voices be the equivalent of bullshit corporate PR spin. KP musn't say anything negative. Always Be cheerleading. Why? What part of the process motivates fans to want to be lied to? That is some authoritarian shit.
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but then hold KAT as the standard that any decent 2nd year player should have before they can do anything the want?
Very interesting...
We don't really want to compare KAT and KP this season, do we? Even with KAT's poor defense, that still isn't going to work out in KP's favor in any way, shape, or form.
But what does that mean? KAT's first 2 seasons have him on a 1st ballot HOF track. "Not as good" as KAT still allows for a franchise player upside.
No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
IDK... he got 50 All-NBA votes (the highest amount for anyone who didn't make 1 of the 3 All NBA teams) this year. How many did KP get? Exactly zero. Like I said before, the way KP and his handlers have conducted themselves since the end of the season would lead me to believe they have a very high opinion of themselves. If he actually cares about making the Knicks a great organization, he needs to worry less about Phil and more about improving his own game.
He is not the same guy who coached Jordan.
KAT 24.4
Duncan was a year older when he came into the league
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KP didn't play a lick of defense. That's just flat out ignorant.
There is a contingent here that turned on KP last year. It wasnt pretty. He doesnt play defense, has no BB IQ. etc.
That contingent just has a weird coping mechanism in place. Blame the players it will get better if we just make one more trade or hit on one draft pick or sign the right head coach. Except it never gets better here. It just toggles from bad to worse to pretty good back to bad to comically bad to pretty good and back to bad. The cycle never breaks. Things never grow here. Nothing good ever lasts. Only bad.
What's he doing? He skipped a meeting. I think it was a fair and limited form of protest. Showing up at that meeting to hear Phil's garbage, like how the 3 pointer is cheap, would just reaffirm that everything is ok.
His brother's comment? Who gives a shit. There is nothing wrong with that comment. The Knicks are treating Melo like shit, love him or hate him. So the comment said notwithstanding that KP wants to be a Knick. That infuriates you?
Again, I have no idea why so many fans insist that players voices be the equivalent of bullshit corporate PR spin. KP musn't say anything negative. Always Be cheerleading. Why? What part of the process motivates fans to want to be lied to? That is some authoritarian shit.
They're not treating Carmelo Anthony like shit. This organization allowed Melo to run a coach out of town. This organization has given Melo a ton of money. They've allowed him to do anything he wants on and off the floor. Guys like STAT, who everyone loved, couldn't stand Melo's selfishness to the point he broke his hand out of frustration during a playoff series.
I've defended Melo A LOT, but he's not a victim. No Charley Rosen article will ever make me see Melo as a victim.
Uh No thanks. Ingram may actually end up the better player
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No but you're holding the standard to a guy who might have had the greatest season at age 20 that anyone has ever had as the bar? And that season translated to a 30 win season at that. The Wolves are picking higher than the Knicks this year...why exactly would KAT be off the hook for anything he did?
IDK... he got 50 All-NBA votes (the highest amount for anyone who didn't make 1 of the 3 All NBA teams) this year. How many did KP get? Exactly zero. Like I said before, the way KP and his handlers have conducted themselves since the end of the season would lead me to believe they have a very high opinion of themselves. If he actually cares about making the Knicks a great organization, he needs to worry less about Phil and more about improving his own game.
I think you're reaching. KP has clout here and around the NBA. If he didn't have clout no one would give a crap if he blew off phil. And it's a weird stance to say that one guy like Beckham can say shit while KP cannot. Again, KP is the most recognizable player on the team. He could command the league max in his sleep if he was a FA this very moment. And how do you know what is really going on behind closed doors at msg? At what point is a player in the right?? For all we know KP should have done more than just blow phil off. It's a fucking circus.
Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful
Phil is utterly classless. Maybe it worked for him as a coach. But as an executive it comes off terribly.
Never thought I would say this, but -- he is as bad, if not worse, than Isiah.
I predicted that! Not surprised the Lakers would turn it down, but those are the only types of offers Phil should be pursuing. Teams like the Suns or Lakers are still in rebuilding mode, so they're stockpiling talent. A team like the Celtics would part with assets because they're closer to serious contention.
Even if KP isn't traded, shopping your 2nd year franchise player is good for business. And let's be honest, it's highly highly unlikely he gets traded. I doubt Dolan would even allow it. Atleast that's what I'm hoping. So what the hell is the point of this? And spare me the garbage about Phil using the media as a motivational tool.
Please god go hire a real GM and send Phil packing. Enough is enough.
How fucking hard is it to keep your mouth shut and take the best players on the board at #8, #44, and #58? The draft should be a fun night - now it's gonna be hours of Melo/KP/Phil drama and dysfunction.
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I don't know if I buy it isn't anything more than KP having some fun, but if I were to try and read into it I think the shirt looks like the Phoenix (mythical bird)
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
Critical to everyone's job but his own!
No one will be happy about the Knicks drafting them outside of the paycheck. He is the guy who put the Knicks in this position. He made all those stupid trades and keeps creating drama. Going to the Media before talking to a guy? Do trust a boss like that? Who does that?
He made all the trades- Disrespectful
What type of cage does Jackson wear?
But any of this KP talk is such bullshit. Just when you thought this franchise couldn't get any worse.
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
That's exactly what the initial report said. People just went crazy with it.
Now, I don't have the greatest faith in his decision-making in that regard, but that's a separate issue.
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball
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mostly do to his father. But if trading KP could somehow bring us Lonzo Ball, I'd be a happy camper. KP is a very good player, but IMO Ball will be a star.
Sounds like Ball is the one guy Phil ISN'T interested in. We've been linked to Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Frank, Monk, Isaac and Markannen but never to Ball
That could be a good sign.
What's so frustrating is the right path is so clear for the Knicks. Take Monk or DSJ unless another guy drops. Trade the vets for whatever picks you can get- including Melo. If not waive Melo and move on. Keep the cap clean and get another top pick next year.
But you know the Knicks aren't taking that path. Sucks being a fan of this team.
Phil has fielded calls for KP.. not actively shopping him, FWIW.
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FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.
You're crazy too.
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Howard Beck ✔@HowardBeck
FWIW, plugged-in source says to "disregard" buzz about Knicks trading Porzingis. They aren't shopping him, though they have taken calls.
LOL, yeah.. so. Like I said about 5 hours ago. Jackson never actually suggested that they were actively shopping Porzingis.
But, as usual, all it takes is one bit of misconstrued info and about 5 minutes and everything will spiral completely out of control.
I gotta admit, I have no trust in this team. There's no benefit of the doubt.
Exactly.
Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him
Sanity prevails in NY. I'm told Porzingis not being shopped. NYK being bombarded w/calls. Gotta listen. Only monster offer would get him
Fuck. He's gone.
Question: if you were in Phil Jackson's shoes and Ms. Buss said that she would get back w/ u if u trade Porzingas to the lakers, would u?
If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.
If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.
It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.
I still want DSJ, one can hope, but I'm almost resigned to hearing Walt stumbing over Frenchy's name next year.
That's my ideal pick at this point, really hoping he drops to us.
hooefully he was not joking about the team drafting him has orange in their color scheme
i thibk orlando goes smith in that scenario, minny if no isaac i think trades back with dallas and they take frank...
I love his scoring ability but Inwould rather get Smith if both are available
If the Celtics would give us 3 of their better first round picks, one in each of the next 3 years, then I'd think about trading KP. I wouldn't do it for any combination of players.
If KP turns into Jackson/Fox, Porter/Ayton, and possibly Zion Williamson, I don't think you can turn that down.
It's not that I don't like KP's future, but he's but one player, someone who could be injury-prone, and someone who didn't take that gigantic step forward the way most of us were expecting.
So you're okay with shipping out a 21 year old 2nd year NBA player who has shown he can be an all start in the NBA and possibly a top 10 player/MVP candidate? It takes time to develop in the NBA. Remember when he was drafted most people thought he wouldn't contribute for 3 years.
You would move him for Jackson/Fox, who I really like, but enter the NBA with massive holes in their game with their inability to shoot. And also hope the 2 future 1st turn out to be high picks and you hope you hit on those players? That's a massive risk.
I really can't believe some Knicks fan. They hit a home run with Porzingis. Do you know how rare it is to find a 7'3 guy who is a elite rim protector and great shooter? If you ever hired a GM who knew what he was doing, the possibilities of building a team around him are endless. Build around him don't trade him for picks. He's 21 years old.
I have no issue with the knicks taking calls and that seems like all it was. If some team wanted to give you the moon then you might as well listen.
So Butler really wants to stay in CHI and George has told everyone that he is going to LA. Hopefully this helps the Melo market just a bit for us.