NFT: Phil Jackson considering trading Porzingis

In comment 13505056 gmenrule said:

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to anyone - for a bag of peanuts !

sure you can get that much?

was worse than is known, when these big guys start having foot issues it often leads to chronic problems.

it's nuts to trade him.

In comment 13504812 EliIsEliteX2 said:

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Phil Jackson is entering George Costanza-like territory. Seems like he is trying to get fired at this point.

LOL, sad but true. Problem is no matter what the Knicks do they will sell out the Garden. The fans are speaking with there wallets and there saying we will pay whatever you want to charge us for tickets and we will buy them no matter what team you put out on the court.

No Michael,Scotty, Shaq and Kobe to save him this time. He's a clown and it's showing

Zach Lowe hearing Knicks will talk KP but demands are very high. If Begley and Lowe are reporting it, than it's true. I guess Woj isn't "messing with Knicks fans".

I'd love to hear who they are talking to and what they are asking for. As for his foot, it was an Achilles injury not a foot issue. Big difference for a guy his size. I still can't believe the Knicks are having these talks. Why not build around him?

In comment 13504905 GiantFilthy said:

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Quote: Rflairr : 12:44 pm : link : reply What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle. I wouldn't send two out of the three of Dlo, Ingram, and Randle. One at most along with Clarkson and picks.

I mean this with peace and love. Not meant to be a shot to filthy who I love, but go fuck yourself.

In comment 13504803 Mike from SI said:

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I'd be done.

I don't know how I would sever ties with a franchise that connects 4 generations of my family. But if KP goes, even it it was for a so-called "great haul," I think I'd have to say enough is enough.

I could not ever root for another NBA team. I just don't know how I could continue to be kicked in the fucking balls and not do something, even if only symbolic for me, personally.

This just isn't any fun at all. In fact, it's just the opposite. I'm a Giants and Mets fan, too, so I can handle long spells of teams not winning. But this Knicks front office, I think might have me the angriest/most disappointed of any team at any time in my life.

In comment 13505086 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Jordan Schultz‏Verified account @Schultz_Report 1m1 minute ago League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks

I hope that's not true. They should be completely separate issues and moving Noah shouldn't restrict the return for KP.

LOL.. everyone knew giving Noah 4 years was fucking awful the day it happened. Except for Phil.

Don't compound that horrific mistake. And if Phil loves Jackson and Tatum so much, he needs to learn how to tank properly. It's sad seeing pictures of Knicks execs drooling over these top five picks at workouts, knowing they could've had one of them if they weren't so hell bent on trying to win 35 games.

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Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good

In comment 13505086 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Jordan Schultz‏Verified account @Schultz_Report 1m1 minute ago League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks

that's just hysterical.

In comment 13504979 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13504911 Rflairr said: Quote: In comment 13504902 bceagle05 said: Quote: If the Knicks were dumb enough to do this, Boston is the only realistic trade partner. You act like Porzingas is a 1st team all NBA player Kristaps and his family are acting like he's a 1st team All NBA player. Fans are so starved for anything positive that it's no surprise they're treating Kristaps like he just had KAT's season.

KNicks fans are not treating KP like he is as good as KAT. They are treating him like the untapped overflowing talent that he is. If you trade KP you're a fucking fool. That's all there is to it. He has HOF potential. He's already shown he can play. He can't even drink legally yet or maybe he can, but barely.

KP is the guy you don't trade. You cultivate and develop him into the monster he's supposed to be. The Knicks are a fucking abortion.

In comment 13505101 Strahan91 said:

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John Gambadoro‏Verified account @Gambo987 Follow More Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good

I don't even feel like that's a big enough return for KP. If a deal like that is a no-go, then pretty much anything I'd take for KP isn't gonna happen.

In comment 13505086 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Jordan Schultz‏Verified account @Schultz_Report 1m1 minute ago League sources say Phil Jackson wants to dump Joakim Noah's contract as part of a #Porzingis trade. Unclear if it's a deal-breaker. #Knicks

My god this can't be true. It just can't. I refuse to believe any of this other than Phil just exploring everything. Even that is stupid because you don't need to release this kind of shit so KP hears about.

In comment 13505101 Strahan91 said:

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John Gambadoro‏Verified account @Gambo987 Follow More Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good

I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown.

I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.

In comment 13505121 djm said:

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In comment 13505101 Strahan91 said: Quote: John Gambadoro‏Verified account @Gambo987 Follow More Knicks have asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick from Phoenix for Kristaps Porzingis - Ha Ha Ha. He is good but trust me not that good I wouldn't do that trade for the Knicks. Booker is a scorer, great...what are we getting at 4? An unknown. I hate the NBA more and more with every passing day. It's way too all or nothing with the KNicks stuck in the nothing zone for decades now. It won't end.

I wouldn't either which is why I think if they're willing to take that package, then they may actually trade him.

now is the fucking time. I am not even kidding. If blood has to be spilled so be it. They rioted at the rigged lottery draft thing during the civil war. I think this is worthy too.

In comment 13504905 GiantFilthy said:

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Quote: Rflairr : 12:44 pm : link : reply What if we throw in Clarkson or Randle. I wouldn't send two out of the three of Dlo, Ingram, and Randle. One at most along with Clarkson and picks.

I wouldn;t accept all of those guys for KP.

It's not happening. Booker and #4 isn't close.

Noah's contract makes absolutely zero sense. You would get less of a talent return and use the cap room on what?

For Smart or Bradley and the number 3 or i try to pull off that deal with Phoenix for Booker and number 4. Knicks get one of those picks and they've got Ball, Jackson or Fox and another solid young player. But they probably wont get that, they definitely wont get anything better than that. Knicks need to trade him or keep him on ice for the next two to three years while they tank and build around him. KP is not even in his prime yet. I was pissed when the Knicks took him, I wanted him for my sorry ass Magic's. KP could still prove to be an athletic Dirk when its all said and done.

it's gone.

Phil's ego getting in the way yet again here.

Only has one year left.

just enough to know whats going on with them (as the NBA turned me off back in late 90's but before a knick fan too).

My question is (after just seeing this titled thread) why would they trade someone that has promise to build around? Am i missing something..like a good, reasonable/sensible reason to trade him because of being in such a mess as they are? Maybe someone knowledgeable (knick fan/NBA fan) can give a reason that would be beneficial in long run to turn things around. From outside, this looks outlandish to do so.

in order to convey to Boston, is probably what Deej was getting at.

In comment 13505142 est1986 said:

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For Smart or Bradley and the number 3 or i try to pull off that deal with Phoenix for Booker and number 4. Knicks get one of those picks and they've got Ball, Jackson or Fox and another solid young player. But they probably wont get that, they definitely wont get anything better than that. Knicks need to trade him or keep him on ice for the next two to three years while they tank and build around him. KP is not even in his prime yet. I was pissed when the Knicks took him, I wanted him for my sorry ass Magic's. KP could still prove to be an athletic Dirk when its all said and done.

You are crazy.

Phoneix is not giving up the 4th pick and Booker for KP. The way the Knicks fuck up you guys better be happy to get that instead you might just give him away to someone who is willing to take that awful Noah contract.

and promise to think that if he's developed well, then he could be one of the two best players on a title contender. How many of those are there?

And if you'd rather have four potential quarters for a potential dollar, what makes you think this franchise has any ability to make sure those quarters realize their full 25 cents?

In comment 13505152 est1986 said:

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Phoneix is not giving up the 4th pick and Booker for KP. The way the Knicks fuck up you guys better be happy to get that instead you might just give him away to someone who is willing to take that awful Noah contract.

Again, you're crazy. I don't even want Booker and 4th. And I am not dealing KP. No! Boston?????

You want to trade KP to Boston for Marcus fucking smart and a draft pick?@?@?@?@?@?@??!!!!1

I don't even know what's happening anymore.

win titles. Even the example everyone always points to (The Mavs) had... Dirk. If someone blows you away then you do it. But Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder and a pick or 2 = no thank you.

The very minimum acceptable return is #3 plus BK 2018 unprotected. Even at that price, I'm only lukewarm on it. Not outraged, but not really happy.

Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy.

Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.

that online message board fans overrate draft picks as much as humanly possible. It's uncanny really. Anywhere else and you don't see the same unbridled desire for draft picks, no matter the sport. But on BBI and other sites people go fucking bat shit crazy for them.

If you trade KP for two picks or one pick and a player not considered young and transcendent, you are absolutely fucking lost. KP is too good to be true. Only the fucking knicks....

In comment 13505157 bigbluehoya said:

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The very minimum acceptable return is #3 plus BK 2018 unprotected. Even at that price, I'm only lukewarm on it. Not outraged, but not really happy. Add in the extra Philly pick and I'm pretty happy. Sure, many will say that's a ridiculous and unrealistic ask. If I'm Phil, I'm just fine being a ridiculous and unrealistic GM who's got a 22 year old KP in the fold.

Nope.

have been my starting point during any debate we've had on here about trading KP - and there have been a few. I wouldn't do the Phoenix trade and I wouldn't blame them for balking either - it's not like they're any closer to a title than we are. They're still in stockpiling mode. Boston seems like the only real match. Maybe Philly. Perhaps the Lakers since they know Paul George is on his way, too.

for a trade.

actually entertaining this? You don't trade him, period. There is no trade outside of Steph Curry and the #1 overall pick that would be good enough for this.

I was getting kinda bored.

I wouldn't trade KP for the simple reason that he's so unique and humble and grounded. Even just to be able to coach him up and tap into that game of his I wouldn't deal him. Even an almost selfish basketball POV would force me to keep KP.

to be sure nobody takes Frankie ahead of them...

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Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.

In comment 13505167 ryanmkeane said:

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actually entertaining this? You don't trade him, period. There is no trade outside of Steph Curry and the #1 overall pick that would be good enough for this.

I don't want him traded, but this is frankly ludicrous. You wouldn't trade him for Towns? Greek Freak? Davis?

In comment 13505184 DanMetroMan said:

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Chris Mannix‏Verified account @ChrisMannixYS Following More Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.

Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?

In comment 13505201 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13505184 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Chris Mannix‏Verified account @ChrisMannixYS Following More Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high. Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?

Remember, they're dealing with the Knicks...

In comment 13505184 DanMetroMan said:

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Chris Mannix‏Verified account @ChrisMannixYS Following More Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high.

Good. First time in forever we draft and start developing a legitimate elite starter and we've already started alienating him and considered trading him. Fire Phil.

In comment 13505201 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13505184 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Chris Mannix‏Verified account @ChrisMannixYS Following More Growing skepticism among some execs in contact w/New York that the Knicks are serious about a KP deal. Price described as extremely high. Why wouldn't the price be extremely high? What the hell are these idiots expecting to get a deal done for... Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick?

Why are we even talking about this... ?

Because Phil opened the door. Is GS "entertaining" offers for Steph Curry? Heck no... and not only because the price would be ridiculously high. Because that sh!t is alienating and rubs everyone the wrong way.

Yeah, the price fro KP should be ridiculously high. But we also shouldn't be talking about this whatsoever.

But we are... because it's the Knicks and it's Phil.

that the Knicks could potentially be stuck with Melo and Phil again, while getting rid of Porzingis. Unbelievable.