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superspynyg : 6/20/2017 2:37 pm
Bridwell (1-0 2.79 era) vs Pineda (7-3 3.71 ERA)

Post lineup here.

Now back at home, Yanks looking to right the ship. Game is on MLB network for the out of market people.

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Clippard before Betances  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 9:35 pm : link
Doesn't matter that the top of the order is up. Those are the roles in the binder!
not watching just lurking here -  
Del Shofner : 6/20/2017 9:37 pm : link
but Clippard has really become a problem.
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I am Ninja : 6/20/2017 9:38 pm : link
B is obviously being involuntarily committed at the moment....
How much more of this  
bigbluehoya : 6/20/2017 9:40 pm : link
Do Girardi and Roth want to watch?

Pull the fucking guy
we just can't put together a night in the pen  
RasputinPrime : 6/20/2017 9:41 pm : link
Clippard really struggling.
One of the worst outings you'll see  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 9:42 pm : link
Four balls, absolutely smoked.

So glad we put Clippard in there to face the heart of their order. Get a clue, Joe
RE: Clippard before Betances  
Tesla : 6/20/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13505649 Kyle in NY said:
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Doesn't matter that the top of the order is up. Those are the roles in the binder!


Seriously. Why do we even need a manager? Just hand the instructions to the bat boy before the game. 7th inning = Clippard, 8th inning = Betances, etc. etc. etc.

No feel for who's coming up or the fact that Clippard has been completely awful lately. Tie game....7th inning? It's Clipaprd Time!!!
Tesla  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 9:45 pm : link
It drives me nuts
Clippard is beyond terrible.  
Toastt34 : 6/20/2017 9:47 pm : link
But people say his ERA is pretty so he can't be that bad. The guy is complete garbage.
Why should I be mad at Clippard? He's not the manager.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 9:49 pm : link
Clipp damn near cost them 4 games during a 7 game road trip, yet Joe trots him right back out there. It makes no sense at all.
Oh good  
bigbluehoya : 6/20/2017 9:49 pm : link
Carter leads off...
RE: Why should I be mad at Clippard? He's not the manager.  
Toastt34 : 6/20/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13505665 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Clipp damn near cost them 4 games during a 7 game road trip, yet Joe trots him right back out there. It makes no sense at all.

You're absolutely right. I love Girardi but to keep trotting that gas can put in tight games is ridiculous.
*out  
Toastt34 : 6/20/2017 9:52 pm : link
.
I can only assume that Tyler Austin was caught outside  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 9:59 pm : link
a high school girls locker room with his hand in his shorts. I could put up with Chris Carter's horseshit if he at least fielded the position well.
Clippard is shit.  
prdave73 : 6/20/2017 10:08 pm : link
Why continue to play him. Yankees bullpen sucks ass. How many games do you continue to lose because of it?! smh.
I'm done with this Clippard asshole  
B in ALB : 6/20/2017 10:15 pm : link
Get him the fuck outta here.
RE: I'm done with this Clippard asshole  
Del Shofner : 6/20/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13505678 B in ALB said:
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Get him the fuck outta here.


I don't usually put it that way, but I agree with the result.
The END has come for Clippard  
xman : 6/20/2017 10:20 pm : link
we are seeing it before our very eyes.That happens to teams just not happy when it happens to us
One things for sure  
mfsd : 6/20/2017 10:22 pm : link
Girardi was a lot smarter using his pen when he had Miller, Betances and Chapman to lean on.
Don't mean to be an alarmist  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 10:23 pm : link
but you do have to wonder if the Yankees will regain their early season mojo. Tanaka's still a mess and CC's out six weeks, bullpen depth is an issue, we're stuck with the Headley/Carter combo for awhile, and Gardy's already begun his second half drop off. A lot to overcome.
I wouldn't kick Clipp off the team just yet,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 10:26 pm : link
but he certainly needs to be removed as a "7th inning guy"... I know how much Joe loves those labels.

Holder isn't any better.
RE: Don't mean to be an alarmist  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13505687 bceagle05 said:
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but you do have to wonder if the Yankees will regain their early season mojo. Tanaka's still a mess and CC's out six weeks, bullpen depth is an issue, we're stuck with the Headley/Carter combo for awhile, and Gardy's already begun his second half drop off. A lot to overcome.


The starting pitching hasn't been great, but the bullpen has been the problem in most of the previous 8 games. Clippard, by himself, has almost cost this team 5 games over the last 8.

Joe has to be smarter too. Why use Clippard to face the top of the Angels' order... because it's the 7th fucking inning? Betances should've been facing the "meat" of the Angels order regardless of what inning it was.

Hopefully, Pineda gets his head out of his ass soon.
RE: RE: Don't mean to be an alarmist  
section125 : 6/20/2017 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13505693 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13505687 bceagle05 said:

Hopefully, Pineda gets his head out of his ass soon.


Pineda gave up 1 earned run. He struggled the first two innings and if not for Carter whiffing on a little league charity hop grounder, that was all he would have given up.
I can see why the Yanks drafted 23 pitchers or whatever it was  
Del Shofner : 6/20/2017 10:40 pm : link
the other night. Sheesh.
Girardi  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 10:41 pm : link
is flat out not doing the job right now. I'm not one to normally rip him, I'm generally a fan of his. But Betances has pitched once in these seven games. And they've all been close games. That flat out cannot happen.

With Chapman back, no excuse to not have Betances in the game in the 7th. Fuck the defined roles.
And this Chris Carter thing  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 10:44 pm : link
is a complete organizational failure at this point. I don't understand the reluctance to move on from shitty veterans on cheap deals. It's like Stephen Drew 2.0

Now cut him already.
Girardi stinks...  
blue2 : 6/20/2017 10:45 pm : link
fire him please!!!!
also - there was a BBI poster who used to say that Cash tells Girardi  
Del Shofner : 6/20/2017 10:46 pm : link
how to manage - and while I think that's a little too strong, I think the Yanks do have the organization set roles and Girardi just has to live when them until the organization says otherwise. Exhibits A, B and C are Carter, Clippard and Headley. Joe gets to manage them within the game, to an extent, but their roles are defined from above.

Just my $.02 - I was skeptical about his, but the more I watch the Yanks, the more I think it's true. I think Girardi is a good manager but he doesn't choose the players and he's given a game plan as to their roles. I don't think things will change until Cash goes to some form of Plan B, maybe over the All Star break (although Gleyber's injury is a monkey wrench).
RE: RE: RE: Don't mean to be an alarmist  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2017 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13505696 section125 said:
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In comment 13505693 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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In comment 13505687 bceagle05 said:

Hopefully, Pineda gets his head out of his ass soon.



Pineda gave up 1 earned run. He struggled the first two innings and if not for Carter whiffing on a little league charity hop grounder, that was all he would have given up.


I know Carter shit the bed with the lazy error and Pineda wasn't awful, but they need him to pitch better. They need him to get deep into a game. I'm fairly certain Joe didn't want to go to Shreve in the 6th inning.
RE: also - there was a BBI poster who used to say that Cash tells Girardi  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13505705 Del Shofner said:
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how to manage - and while I think that's a little too strong, I think the Yanks do have the organization set roles and Girardi just has to live when them until the organization says otherwise. Exhibits A, B and C are Carter, Clippard and Headley. Joe gets to manage them within the game, to an extent, but their roles are defined from above.

Just my $.02 - I was skeptical about his, but the more I watch the Yanks, the more I think it's true. I think Girardi is a good manager but he doesn't choose the players and he's given a game plan as to their roles. I don't think things will change until Cash goes to some form of Plan B, maybe over the All Star break (although Gleyber's injury is a monkey wrench).


Pretty sure that was Randall Graves. I wouldn't take him too seriously. Girardi is a good manager who is having a bad stretch of games. But he needs to learn to abandon some of his worst tendencies.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Don't mean to be an alarmist  
section125 : 6/20/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13505706 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13505693 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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In comment 13505687 bceagle05 said:

Hopefully, Pineda gets his head out of his ass soon.



Pineda gave up 1 earned run. He struggled the first two innings and if not for Carter whiffing on a little league charity hop grounder, that was all he would have given up.



I know Carter shit the bed with the lazy error and Pineda wasn't awful, but they need him to pitch better. They need him to get deep into a game. I'm fairly certain Joe didn't want to go to Shreve in the 6th inning.


1 out from ending the inning, but yes he needed to go a little deeper - but again Carter's error cost him 15 pitches - about an inning.
Cashman definitely dictates roles.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2017 10:58 pm : link
I was listening to his interview with Francesa and he made a passing reference to Sanchez playing a little first base a couple of weeks ago, and how he (Cash) wasn't too happy about it. I doubt we'll see that again.
yanks are bad team right now  
micky : 6/20/2017 11:04 pm : link
this could be a very long losing streak as they played over their heads up til now.

like everyone said before season..they are 1 to 2 years away (getting starters and etc) to being a legit contenders
Has  
mitch300 : 6/21/2017 12:26 am : link
Girardi finally fed up with Carter. To pinch hit him in the 9th with Romine.
RE: And this Chris Carter thing  
13ODB : 6/21/2017 7:32 am : link
In comment 13505702 Kyle in NY said:
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is a complete organizational failure at this point. I don't understand the reluctance to move on from shitty veterans on cheap deals. It's like Stephen Drew 2.0

Now cut him already.



Wasn't drew the starting second baseman all year up until the last two weeks of the season because he got a concussion?? I would expect the same to happen with carter they will keep playing this bum just like they did drew,
hate to nitpick, but why take Pinata out there? He was finally in  
Victor in CT : 6/21/2017 8:02 am : link
control, let him finish the inning and even start the 7th? Modern baseball theory just bugs me.

Clippard is a gasoline can in search of a fire.
Mediocre team  
SoZKillA : 6/21/2017 8:29 am : link
That overachieved. Their issues are catching up to them now.
RE: Mediocre team  
mvftw : 6/21/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13505820 SoZKillA said:
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That overachieved. Their issues are catching up to them now.


Totally Agree! This is the Real Yanks... :-(
It's time to put Carter (since they won't DFA him)  
River : 6/21/2017 9:44 am : link
On the bench and play Torreyez at 3rd. Holliday and Headley rotation at 1st.
Torreyes would be completely exposed and overmatched if he played  
Victor in CT : 6/21/2017 10:30 am : link
everyday at 3b. They're stuck with Headley and Carter for now.

Their biggest problem in this skid is lack of innings form starters. Get 7 innings+ from the rotation every night and they win 5 of 6. 6 or less and they lose 7 straight
.  
Del Shofner : 6/21/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13506005 Victor in CT said:
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Their biggest problem in this skid is lack of innings from starters.


Which is what we all thought would be their biggest problem going into the season.
RE: Torreyes would be completely exposed and overmatched if he played  
nygnyy274 : 6/21/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13506005 Victor in CT said:
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everyday at 3b. They're stuck with Headley and Carter for now.

Their biggest problem in this skid is lack of innings form starters. Get 7 innings+ from the rotation every night and they win 5 of 6. 6 or less and they lose 7 straight





Oh give me a break. He batted over .300 and had 13 RBis in the month of April playing every day while DIdi was out.
RE: RE: Torreyes would be completely exposed and overmatched if he played  
Victor in CT : 6/21/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13506504 nygnyy274 said:
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everyday at 3b. They're stuck with Headley and Carter for now.

Their biggest problem in this skid is lack of innings form starters. Get 7 innings+ from the rotation every night and they win 5 of 6. 6 or less and they lose 7 straight






Oh give me a break. He batted over .300 and had 13 RBis in the month of April playing every day while DIdi was out.


1) 3B is a power position. 2) It was April, lots of days off 3) he's small and will wear down in the summer heat. He's a utility player, albeit a good one 4) get a clue. your right there with the Tyler Austin is the 1b savior crowd.
RE: yanks are bad team right now  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13505717 micky said:
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this could be a very long losing streak as they played over their heads up til now.

like everyone said before season..they are 1 to 2 years away (getting starters and etc) to being a legit contenders


What a surprise, you show up to gloat over losses.
Kay  
mitch300 : 6/21/2017 3:22 pm : link
ripping the Yankees for playing Carter. States with Carter you have a NL lineup. Suggested Torreyes playing 3rd and Headley play 1st or have Holliday play 1st or bring up Wade to play 3rd if they don't want to expose Torreyes and have Headley play 1st.
People really, really overrate Torreyes  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2017 3:23 pm : link
He's a nice bench piece, but that's it. You play him every day and you're not going to get any more real production than you would Carter. Decent contact hitter with zero power who doesn't walk much.
RE: People really, really overrate Torreyes  
mitch300 : 6/21/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13506539 Greg from LI said:
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He's a nice bench piece, but that's it. You play him every day and you're not going to get any more real production than you would Carter. Decent contact hitter with zero power who doesn't walk much.

Correct. That's why Kay mentioned bringing up Wade and put him at 3rd and Headly at 1st. BTW Holliday playing 1st tonight.
Holliday is starting at 1st tonight per Kay.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/21/2017 3:34 pm : link
Fuck Carter.
RE: Kay  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/21/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13506536 mitch300 said:
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ripping the Yankees for playing Carter. States with Carter you have a NL lineup. Suggested Torreyes playing 3rd and Headley play 1st or have Holliday play 1st or bring up Wade to play 3rd if they don't want to expose Torreyes and have Headley play 1st.


Francesa killed Joe for putting Clippard in the for the 7th inning and also admitted that the callers asking for Carter to be jettisoned (which he initially disagreed with) were correct.
Yanks could go on a tear  
xman : 6/21/2017 7:26 pm : link
they got the bats and enough pitching. Girardi has hit a rough spot where every button he pushes backfires. Don't like his lineups and his pitching changes speak for itself
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