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Lakers are trading Tim Mozgov and D'Angelo Russell to Nets for Brook Lopez and 27th pick Thursday, sources say.
tank and get the #2 pick then fuck that up and send him packing for parts to clear cap to hopefully land 2 big superstars and become contenders.
This league sucks.
You didn't mind when the superstar was on your team and you were a Bulls fan, did you?
I am a fan of your posts, but I don't really see the point of consistently telling people how much you hate the NBA when people who do enjoy it are attempting to discuss some big moves.
They'd trade for him bc CLE could snag him & his "commitment"
is far from binding. His demand obviously lowers his trade value, but the downside to that is a competitive team like Boston or Cleveland could swoop in and give him something to think about beyond this 1 season.
Also I don't know how this isn't a good trade for the Nets. Lopez is a good teammate and a good scorer, but he's a perennial injury risk and far from a "winning player". Who knows what Russell will be but he's almost 10 years younger and already looks like he's going to be a pretty solid scorer in his own right. Looks to be a very solid trade.
What if he gets traded somewhere, makes a near-title run, and loves it. Resigns to make a title push rather than rebuild on the Lakers. Oh, getting an extra year in the process. What if LAC manages to get him? What if he makes all NBA and becomes eligible for a super max?
There was literally no reason to keep him. You weren't going anywhere with that guy. Maybe by the time the Nets have recovered from the Billy King era mistakes Russell will develop.
The teams in the league might be very top heavy right now,
but there is so much talent spread across the league that that game is in a great place. The offseason in the NBA is more exciting and fun than any other sport in my opinion.
that may be why the Lakers are looking to get him now instead of waiting. However, if you believe Woj (most do), PG is making it clear that it doesn't matter who he gets traded to if it happens. He will leave and sign with the Lakers.
that may be why the Lakers are looking to get him now instead of waiting. However, if you believe Woj (most do), PG is making it clear that it doesn't matter who he gets traded to if it happens. He will leave and sign with the Lakers.
I think it's not certain PG goes there. I also dont think they should trade a major piece to get him. Most PGs take 5 years+ to get to all nba. I think I saw just 3 or 4 recent ones did it sooner (Rose, Paul?). So by the time Ball is likely getting into his prime, George is 32.
You absolutely sign him if you can. You dont derail the rebuild with a trade.
What if he gets traded somewhere, makes a near-title run, and loves it. Resigns to make a title push rather than rebuild on the Lakers. Oh, getting an extra year in the process. What if LAC manages to get him? What if he makes all NBA and becomes eligible for a super max?
No guarantees.
Deej, good points. I get all that, but he apparently is all in on the Lakers and is from LA. But we'll see.
tank and get the #2 pick then fuck that up and send him packing for parts to clear cap to hopefully land 2 big superstars and become contenders.
This league sucks.
You didn't mind when the superstar was on your team and you were a Bulls fan, did you?
I am a fan of your posts, but I don't really see the point of consistently telling people how much you hate the NBA when people who do enjoy it are attempting to discuss some big moves.
Yeah I didn't care because I was 7. I wasn't even 13 when Jordan played his last game as a Bull. No idea why that's even relevant, I didn't even want LeBron on the Bulls prior to "the Decision" and I'd laugh at the Bulls even more now for trying to acquire 2-3 of the NBAs top players.
I enjoy following sports even the ones I no longer watch. As I get older the offseason can be just as fun for me as the regular season. What the NBA is becoming is a disgrace. The regular season is predetermined and now you can't get excited for the offseasom either. If I ruined the thread I apologize.
Is beyond awful and full of opinion
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
but I think the Nets resign Lopez after the season
What's the upside with that though? They don't have any picks, right? Brook Lopez isn't going to sell tickets and he hasn't made them competitive.
I think he genuinely liked being here and is comfortable here. They'll have the money to pay him and he'll get to see how Russell progresses/will then have an opportunity to play with a good point guard.
They'll also be adding more pieces. The Nets are bad, but I don't think they will be for much longer
It's a star's league/sport. Teams have to do what they can to get their hands on one. Only one I blame for maybe making this pointless is Durant. Otherwise this league would be pretty wide open right now, relatively speaking.
... Brooklyn looks to (again) be terrible next season.
We'll see how this shakes out with PG and the Lakers... but even if that situation doesn't go Boston's way, the Sac pick in '19 still figures to be sweet.
Memorial Day to late July. Draft & FA is a great time for the league. We'll all be bored stiff with the NBA from November to the playoffs when the NFL takes priority.
having to give up Lopez, a first round pick and taking Mozgov's contract just to get Russell. I would understand it more if they got the Lakers 28th pick.
to take on the contract to pick up an asset. It just seems like they gave up everything and a good pick for a guy I'm not sure others will want to play with.
to take on the contract to pick up an asset. It just seems like they gave up everything and a good pick for a guy I'm not sure others will want to play with.
Is beyond awful and full of opinion
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
+1. No lose deal for the Nets. If Russell pans out, it's an absolute home run. Gotta give Marks credit for finding a way to get a talent like that with limited assets.
Is beyond awful and full of opinion
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
That wasnt my analysis of the trade. As I said earlier in the thread I thought it was a good trade for the Nets. But the notion that there is no downside is nuts.
Josh Jackson or whoever CHI would take at 3. My guess is CHI asked for #3 and a future pick.
But yeah it also sounds like Butler wants to stay in CHI. I mean if he supposedly didnt even want to go to CLE to play with Lebron then it sounds like he really wants to stay.
Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
might as well take a shot on Russell. They arent winning with Brook still on the team so you might as well parlay him into a kid who went #2 just a couple years ago. Sure the Mozgov salary sux, but i mean what stars are going to BKN? Plus they got a very early second round pick in the deal.
Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
perfect team set up for him to find out. Low pressure developmental situation, motion offense, and a coach known for developing point guards and getting the most out of them. looking forward to seeing how it evolves but they were not getting a player with this upside/potential any other way.
Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
perfect team set up for him to find out. Low pressure developmental situation, motion offense, and a coach known for developing point guards and getting the most out of them. looking forward to seeing how it evolves but they were not getting a player with this upside/potential any other way.
Yea I definitely think there's a shot he turns into something in Brooklyn. Might try to watch a game this winter to see him live.
I think a lot will depend on how good of a shooter he becomes. If he can turn into a great shooter and keep the hollywood passing to a low, he'll be very good. If he remain only a good shooter, then he's capped. His lack of plus athleticism really kills him when driving.
might as well take a shot on Russell. They arent winning with Brook still on the team so you might as well parlay him into a kid who went #2 just a couple years ago. Sure the Mozgov salary sux, but i mean what stars are going to BKN? Plus they got a very early second round pick in the deal.
Totally agree, and I'll be rooting for him to succeed. He definitely has some rare, innate basketball instincts I'm sad to see traded away by the Lakers.
There was a second rumor from David Aldridge last night I really hope isn't true ... Lakers reportedly offered #2 to the Kings for #5 and #10, to flip #5 for PG. No thanks!
Lopez is up there with Buck, Drazen, Gminski as one of my all-time favorite Nets, but this is the right kind of move for the team. A young PG/SG/SF combo of Russell, LeVert, Whitehead and RHJ (when not at PF) is promising long term. As much as I like Brook, his game seemed difficult at times to mesh with their speed/athleticism. As others have mentioned, Mozgov will suffice until they are finally done with the trade repercussions.
A player making $21 mill who is an expiring contract, AND will be 30.
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2- took on 3 years of Mozgov for like 50 million
Nets have plenty of cap room, and won't be signing quality FA's until they are competitive.
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3- gave a late #1, and
Yawn.
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4- traded for a guy who is such a weeny that he made America feel bad for Nick Young for cheating on his fiancee (what happened to Mr. Culture?)
Oh come on. Who cares? I guess it would have been OK if he did drugs or beat his wife, but making a stupid mistake on social media should be a life sentence? And if you felt bad for Nick Young, than you're the idiot, not America.
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That's the sort of logic that some of my fellow Knicks fans used to argue for the Rose trade and Noah signing. It's bad logic.
It is your logic that is bad. The Nets' trade is the EXACT opposite of the Knick transactions. They signed and traded for 2 aging, broken down players with terrible contracts. Russell was the 2nd pick only 2 years ago, is only 21 years old, and is cost-controlled. He certainly has his warts, but there is no reason to think he can't be a good NBA player.
Come on Deej, you're smarter than this. DOn't let your Net hatred cloud your judgement.
This kind of trade is exactly what teams like the Nets
should be doing. You aren't competing in the next few years. Stars aren't signing with you for the next few years. Get rid of what you have for future potential.
It is your logic that is bad. The Nets' trade is the EXACT opposite of the Knick transactions. They signed and traded for 2 aging, broken down players with terrible contracts. Russell was the 2nd pick only 2 years ago, is only 21 years old, and is cost-controlled. He certainly has his warts, but there is no reason to think he can't be a good NBA player.
Come on Deej, you're smarter than this. DOn't let your Net hatred cloud your judgement.
First of all, it's adorable that you think Knicks fans hate the Nets. We dont care.
Second, my first post in the thread said it was a good trade for the Nets. The post you're responding to was a response to hitdog's statement that the trade has "no downside".
That's utter nonsense. Taking on Moz's contract is a downside. Nets fans may dismiss it today because they rightly dont see BK as a FA destination. Im on record encouraging rebuilding teams to weaponize their useless cap space just like this. But that doesnt mean there is no downside. Just wait, you may be feeling shitty about that deal soon.
The "yawn" on late #1s is a joke. Common refrain, teams not respecting their picks. You dont see SAS yawning at their late #1s.
Lopez's contract is fine. 21 million is not a lot of money, and 30 isnt so old.
I was mostly joking about Russell, but it's worth nothing that hitdog has been screaming culture, culture, culture, and then clams up the minute they trade for an apparantly lazy, no defense guy who is most famous re his NBA time for being snitch.
The whole blase attitude, the yawns, the only seeing the downside to Lopez while dismissing any downside to Moz and Russell -- that is totally, 100% the shit Knicks fans have been doing for years. Oh, it's fine to give up Lopez and Grant for Rose -- worst case we just dont resign him, right? Y'all are falling into the same mental trap.
The moment we knew Russell wasn't in the Lakers long-term plans
if you have a good culture you trade for a 21 yr old who has talent but also got caught up in some nonsense.
if he is 30 that is different. if the team has no culture... it is different.
lastly... the point on lopez is that to retain him after this year is 30m bux... they werent ever going to do that.
the Moz contract.. doesnt affect this years cap space a penny... it affects next year... yes. the following year he is an expiring.
The Nets have been trying to move Lopez for years, but they finally were able to move him when he's a salary dump. He really doesn't have a lot of value as a 5 that scores well away from the basket and plays below average defense and rebounds like a guard. You can't win with those guys in your starting lineup and making that kind of money.
Lakers needed to dump a prior mistake and traded a player who still has "prospect" value. Russell is still young and while he probably isn't where the Lakers wanted him to be right now, he's still has some skill and some upside. The Nets traded an expiring and a very late first(which isn't useless as some Nets fans suggest) for a contract which doesn't effect them at all and a solid young player with upside. They win.
if you have a good culture you trade for a 21 yr old who has talent but also got caught up in some nonsense.
if he is 30 that is different. if the team has no culture... it is different.
lastly... the point on lopez is that to retain him after this year is 30m bux... they werent ever going to do that.
the Moz contract.. doesnt affect this years cap space a penny... it affects next year... yes. the following year he is an expiring.
I understand culture. Culture is what you tell yourself when your team is terrible and has no future.
Your other points are nonsense. Lopez isnt getting 30 million, and if he was, he'd be a loss for you guys that you could trade for something else. The way you talk a 3 year big $$ deal for Mozgov into one season makes no sense. The days of the whole league valuing expiring contracts is well over. This isnt the annual Theo Ratliff expiring trade asset era anymore. That 3rd year of Moz sucks. The 2nd year sucks. This year sucks. Only question is whether it prevents you from doing something else.
Again, on net I like the deal for BK. I dont LOVE the deal. The notion that there is no possible downside is bonkers, wishful thinking.
This league sucks.
You didn't mind when the superstar was on your team and you were a Bulls fan, did you?
I am a fan of your posts, but I don't really see the point of consistently telling people how much you hate the NBA when people who do enjoy it are attempting to discuss some big moves.
Also I don't know how this isn't a good trade for the Nets. Lopez is a good teammate and a good scorer, but he's a perennial injury risk and far from a "winning player". Who knows what Russell will be but he's almost 10 years younger and already looks like he's going to be a pretty solid scorer in his own right. Looks to be a very solid trade.
What if he gets traded somewhere, makes a near-title run, and loves it. Resigns to make a title push rather than rebuild on the Lakers. Oh, getting an extra year in the process. What if LAC manages to get him? What if he makes all NBA and becomes eligible for a super max?
No guarantees.
I think it's not certain PG goes there. I also dont think they should trade a major piece to get him. Most PGs take 5 years+ to get to all nba. I think I saw just 3 or 4 recent ones did it sooner (Rose, Paul?). So by the time Ball is likely getting into his prime, George is 32.
You absolutely sign him if you can. You dont derail the rebuild with a trade.
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He's pretty much committed to LA next summer?
What if he gets traded somewhere, makes a near-title run, and loves it. Resigns to make a title push rather than rebuild on the Lakers. Oh, getting an extra year in the process. What if LAC manages to get him? What if he makes all NBA and becomes eligible for a super max?
No guarantees.
Deej, good points. I get all that, but he apparently is all in on the Lakers and is from LA. But we'll see.
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tank and get the #2 pick then fuck that up and send him packing for parts to clear cap to hopefully land 2 big superstars and become contenders.
This league sucks.
You didn't mind when the superstar was on your team and you were a Bulls fan, did you?
I am a fan of your posts, but I don't really see the point of consistently telling people how much you hate the NBA when people who do enjoy it are attempting to discuss some big moves.
Yeah I didn't care because I was 7. I wasn't even 13 when Jordan played his last game as a Bull. No idea why that's even relevant, I didn't even want LeBron on the Bulls prior to "the Decision" and I'd laugh at the Bulls even more now for trying to acquire 2-3 of the NBAs top players.
I enjoy following sports even the ones I no longer watch. As I get older the offseason can be just as fun for me as the regular season. What the NBA is becoming is a disgrace. The regular season is predetermined and now you can't get excited for the offseasom either. If I ruined the thread I apologize.
Melo stays in NY
Celtics pick 7-15 next year instead of 1-3
Everyone's happy
What's the upside with that though? They don't have any picks, right? Brook Lopez isn't going to sell tickets and he hasn't made them competitive.
Lopez is from Cali, isn't he? I doubt he goes back to Brooklyn after finally getting back home
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
Melo stays in NY
Celtics pick 7-15 next year instead of 1-3
Everyone's happy
The nets would not take him
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but I think the Nets resign Lopez after the season
What's the upside with that though? They don't have any picks, right? Brook Lopez isn't going to sell tickets and he hasn't made them competitive.
I think he genuinely liked being here and is comfortable here. They'll have the money to pay him and he'll get to see how Russell progresses/will then have an opportunity to play with a good point guard.
They'll also be adding more pieces. The Nets are bad, but I don't think they will be for much longer
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They'd absolutely take him and pay him.
Melo stays in NY
Celtics pick 7-15 next year instead of 1-3
Everyone's happy
The nets would not take him
Yeah too worried that DLo would rat Melo out.
We'll see how this shakes out with PG and the Lakers... but even if that situation doesn't go Boston's way, the Sac pick in '19 still figures to be sweet.
His fall from relevance has been pretty incredible.
Melo stays in NY
Celtics pick 7-15 next year instead of 1-3
Everyone's happy
Sad to say this is truth.
A good pick? #27?
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
+1. No lose deal for the Nets. If Russell pans out, it's an absolute home run. Gotta give Marks credit for finding a way to get a talent like that with limited assets.
Facts are this
The nets traded an expiring player in Lopez- if they held onto him- they would have the right to pay him 30m a year to keep him.
The nets traded the 27th pick- anpick that yields very few relevant NBA players- but it is an asset so they did give that up
The nets take on the number 2 player in the draft 2 years ago who is 21 and scored 20 a game after the all star break. He also now gets to work with a coach known for player development, point guards in particular.
They have to eat 3 years of mozgov- the contract will be a burden for one year (2018)- and he will get minutes
The deal works for both teams- the nets acquire the best talent they possibly could in russel- who fits- and the lakers dump a bad salary to free space while getting a rental in Lopez who they could also move again before the deadline
That wasnt my analysis of the trade. As I said earlier in the thread I thought it was a good trade for the Nets. But the notion that there is no downside is nuts.
I'm not as tuned into to NBA as most who post on NBA threads here, but I'm a little surprised by that, assuming the report is accurate.
Per source, Jimmy Butler has informed Cavs that he wants to stay in Chicago rather than be traded to Cleveland.
Wonder if Butler and Chicago just don't really want to part.
But yeah it also sounds like Butler wants to stay in CHI. I mean if he supposedly didnt even want to go to CLE to play with Lebron then it sounds like he really wants to stay.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
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Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
perfect team set up for him to find out. Low pressure developmental situation, motion offense, and a coach known for developing point guards and getting the most out of them. looking forward to seeing how it evolves but they were not getting a player with this upside/potential any other way.
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Shows the suspected weakness in the top of the 2015 draft. While I really like DLo, he hadn't done much to alleviate the concerns over finding his best position, maturing, and the fact he's probably just an OK athlete in a league of elite horses.
Think there's still a very decent chance that with proper coaching and continued improvement on his jumper, DLO still becomes a quality lead guard.
perfect team set up for him to find out. Low pressure developmental situation, motion offense, and a coach known for developing point guards and getting the most out of them. looking forward to seeing how it evolves but they were not getting a player with this upside/potential any other way.
Yea I definitely think there's a shot he turns into something in Brooklyn. Might try to watch a game this winter to see him live.
I think a lot will depend on how good of a shooter he becomes. If he can turn into a great shooter and keep the hollywood passing to a low, he'll be very good. If he remain only a good shooter, then he's capped. His lack of plus athleticism really kills him when driving.
Where did you see they also got a 2nd round pick?
There was a second rumor from David Aldridge last night I really hope isn't true ... Lakers reportedly offered #2 to the Kings for #5 and #10, to flip #5 for PG. No thanks!
Lol. Your team just:
1- gave up the best player in a trade
A player making $21 mill who is an expiring contract, AND will be 30.
Nets have plenty of cap room, and won't be signing quality FA's until they are competitive.
Yawn.
Oh come on. Who cares? I guess it would have been OK if he did drugs or beat his wife, but making a stupid mistake on social media should be a life sentence? And if you felt bad for Nick Young, than you're the idiot, not America.
It is your logic that is bad. The Nets' trade is the EXACT opposite of the Knick transactions. They signed and traded for 2 aging, broken down players with terrible contracts. Russell was the 2nd pick only 2 years ago, is only 21 years old, and is cost-controlled. He certainly has his warts, but there is no reason to think he can't be a good NBA player.
Come on Deej, you're smarter than this. DOn't let your Net hatred cloud your judgement.
It is your logic that is bad. The Nets' trade is the EXACT opposite of the Knick transactions. They signed and traded for 2 aging, broken down players with terrible contracts. Russell was the 2nd pick only 2 years ago, is only 21 years old, and is cost-controlled. He certainly has his warts, but there is no reason to think he can't be a good NBA player.
Come on Deej, you're smarter than this. DOn't let your Net hatred cloud your judgement.
First of all, it's adorable that you think Knicks fans hate the Nets. We dont care.
Second, my first post in the thread said it was a good trade for the Nets. The post you're responding to was a response to hitdog's statement that the trade has "no downside".
That's utter nonsense. Taking on Moz's contract is a downside. Nets fans may dismiss it today because they rightly dont see BK as a FA destination. Im on record encouraging rebuilding teams to weaponize their useless cap space just like this. But that doesnt mean there is no downside. Just wait, you may be feeling shitty about that deal soon.
The "yawn" on late #1s is a joke. Common refrain, teams not respecting their picks. You dont see SAS yawning at their late #1s.
Lopez's contract is fine. 21 million is not a lot of money, and 30 isnt so old.
I was mostly joking about Russell, but it's worth nothing that hitdog has been screaming culture, culture, culture, and then clams up the minute they trade for an apparantly lazy, no defense guy who is most famous re his NBA time for being snitch.
The whole blase attitude, the yawns, the only seeing the downside to Lopez while dismissing any downside to Moz and Russell -- that is totally, 100% the shit Knicks fans have been doing for years. Oh, it's fine to give up Lopez and Grant for Rose -- worst case we just dont resign him, right? Y'all are falling into the same mental trap.
if he is 30 that is different. if the team has no culture... it is different.
lastly... the point on lopez is that to retain him after this year is 30m bux... they werent ever going to do that.
the Moz contract.. doesnt affect this years cap space a penny... it affects next year... yes. the following year he is an expiring.
Lakers needed to dump a prior mistake and traded a player who still has "prospect" value. Russell is still young and while he probably isn't where the Lakers wanted him to be right now, he's still has some skill and some upside. The Nets traded an expiring and a very late first(which isn't useless as some Nets fans suggest) for a contract which doesn't effect them at all and a solid young player with upside. They win.
if he is 30 that is different. if the team has no culture... it is different.
lastly... the point on lopez is that to retain him after this year is 30m bux... they werent ever going to do that.
the Moz contract.. doesnt affect this years cap space a penny... it affects next year... yes. the following year he is an expiring.
I understand culture. Culture is what you tell yourself when your team is terrible and has no future.
Your other points are nonsense. Lopez isnt getting 30 million, and if he was, he'd be a loss for you guys that you could trade for something else. The way you talk a 3 year big $$ deal for Mozgov into one season makes no sense. The days of the whole league valuing expiring contracts is well over. This isnt the annual Theo Ratliff expiring trade asset era anymore. That 3rd year of Moz sucks. The 2nd year sucks. This year sucks. Only question is whether it prevents you from doing something else.
Again, on net I like the deal for BK. I dont LOVE the deal. The notion that there is no possible downside is bonkers, wishful thinking.